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THOU SHALT NOT BE A DUMBASS! (Patreon)

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2014-11-29 17:21:44
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Im kinda going crazy here. Im torn on two fronts. 1) I just feel too guilty about putting relatively easy to make videos like this into the Patreon supported feed (this is why I havent added this to the actual supported feed). 2) I feel its just really ungrateful to actually turn down the support that people are volunteering it. :-( 3) Part of me likes keeping the patreon tied to number of videos produced (especially the good ones!), and so does not want to go over to a per month support. 4) Part of me wants to go over to a per month support as this means I can thank everyone on all my videos!!! PLEASE! let me know your thoughts on this, Many thanks, Phil

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THOU SHALT NOT BE A DUMBASS!

Personally, I would go for 'be excellent to each other' rather than 'dont be a dumbass'.... However for those undermining the aggregate knowledge of mankind... for them Im willing to make an exception! https://richarddawkins.net/2014/11/10000-rethink-prize-announced-to-crowdsource-secular-alternatives-to-the-ten-commandments/ oh yeah... and GRRRRRR!

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Eero af Heurlin

I prefer per ("proper") video for irregular content. For example Dave (EEVBlog) makes so much content all the time (and not all of it is for everyone) so the per-month is better there. I don't think it's ungrateful to keep high standards.

Anonymous

Per video is okay. And you don't have to feel guilty at all, since Patreon allows a monthly limit, which I also use to make sure that you get the same amount from me every month (unless you don't put up a single video a month). In my opinion, per-video allows people better control over how much and what for they donate.

EEVblog
>>235940

Hey, that's me :-> Yes, I'm using the per-month system because I make such a wide range of videos (even though still within a relatively narrow field), and people sign up for so many different things, I figure it's the only way to go. It was essentially for this exact reason, to avoid people saying "you got $$$$ thousand dollars to make THAT easy video?! or "I signed up for the tutorials, and you are charging me to make a stupid Mailbag video?" Per video just wouldn't be workable. On the other hand, I have just started Patreon for the Amp Hour show and have used the per episode system. Because it's practically the same show every week, and typically every regular listener will listen to every show. Apart from exactly what we talk about in each episode, we essentially give everyone the exact same format show each, whilst staying pretty much on-topic. Phil is in a hard spot because of the vastly different subjects (feminism vs science/atheism/debunking), and also complexity of many videos. Although I think what it comes down to is whether or not he wants people to support him to go full time at making videos and running his channel. And hence people either support him making videos on the channel, or they don't. So I think the monthly system is better for that. Trying to juggle what videos are worthy of charging for is always going to be messy. He's making more than enough videos a month (esp considering the complexity of some) to justify the monthly system without too much flack. But either way he's going to cop some flack I suspect, esp if there are say 5 Anita Sarkesian videos in a row. I cop flack (outside of Patreon) if I don't keep the mix of video types up to some arbitrary standard. Although I must say I haven't had a single Patron yet complain I'm not making the videos they want for their monthly donation. So it's working for me. Likely because I made it very clear you are supporting me and my channel making a full time living doing this, and it's impossible for me to satisfy everyone.

Anonymous

personally, I don't feel the difficulty in producing the videos has any bearing on wether it's worthy or not as long as it maintains the cause of this channel. The theme may vary from battling crazy feminists to battling crazy creationists to just tidbits of exciting science but there's an overarching theme. I donate to that theme, less than I want to but as much as I can, for the moment.

EEVblog
>>235965

"In my opinion, per-video allows people better control over how much and what for they donate." I don't think it provides that sort of control, as it is the content creator who decides what video people will get charged for. The Patron can only decide to opt in or out of the entire system, and set a cap. They may still be charged for videos they don't like or don't watch, just like the monthly system.

Anonymous

personally, I don't feel the difficulty in producing the videos has any bearing on wether it's worthy or not as long as it maintains the cause of this channel. The specifics may vary from battling crazy feminists to battling crazy creationists to just tidbits of exciting science but there's an overarching theme. I donate to that theme, less than I want to but as much as I can, for the moment.

Max

per month is better

Anonymous
>>236020

second that, as long as there is at least one video a month I would be fine with it

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Anonymous

don't feel guilty maybe the videos seem easy to make now because you're so good at it they're all worth it.

Anonymous

I give a mouth to mouth any ways. I.e I set my per video, at the same amount as my max amount each month. So per video works, for those who want to encourage you to make more then one video per mouth, and if someone wants to give on a monthly basis they can do what I do.

Hubro

I think you should just do your thing, making any amount and any quality of videos you think is best. I loved your channel before, I'll still love it now :-) I prefer monthly contributions though. It seems more stable to me. I don't necessarily want you to spend lots of time and energy with "big" videos, I just want you to make awesome stuff like you've always done.

Anonymous

I would prefer per month, it feels like it's easier to estimate how much money I spend.

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Anonymous

Phil - It's videos like this that made me decide to support you on Patreon. Even if they are easy to make and relatively inexpensive, they pack a punch for the side of science and reason! That is the goal - keep it up.

Anonymous

Been thinking about this question for a couple of days ... And have come to the conclusion that, to me, it does not make a difference :) I don't look at it in terms of the individual videos, or even the videos produced over a month or two. I look at it for the content produced over a few months. If it was set to a monthly subscription rather than a per video system I would actually end up paying the same amount overall. In both payment models it would end up with me deciding how much the video content was worth to me along with how much I wanted to contribute to encourage you to continue making videos. BTW you are currently beating my Netflix account in terms of my support :)

Vesselin Jilov

Make it a month support IMO. This way you'll be independent of number of videos and you'll take care only of quality; and the audience will be the judge.

Anonymous

As many people have said, anyone who wants to do so can cap their pledge at a monthly amount, or choose which of your video's to support. I support a number of people via Patreon, for each I make an estimate of how many video's they will post, and divide my desired support per video accordingly. If I thought you were posting too much I'd scale down, I haven't - my money is where my mouth is, or, technically, where your mouth is, but you get the idea. Ideally Patreon would allow someone who has multiple types of video (science is cool, wonder in the universe, creationist bs, dogma and superstition is bs, free thought and free speech - why these matter and who stands against them, and, sigh, Anita whateverhernameis is an idiot) and we could assign our pledge to either "all" or to specific types. But as yet it doesn't do that - but if I cared enough I could do it manually.

Anonymous

I chose my funding plan to be the amount I want to spend per month, but spread over the number of you seemed to be producing so that you will automagically get the amount per month I wanted to send, but would also encourage you to maintain your current frequency or workload. If things change, like maybe you made fewer videos, but with higher costs, I would change my plan if I liked what you had done. I don't personally mind paying you for a video I don't like, I like the majority of them and that is good enough.