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Elon Musk Invents the TUNNEL! (Patreon)

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2018-05-21 09:01:28
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and people suck it up like he's a genius :-(

Again you can see that this was a comparatively poorly rated video

 https://image.ibb.co/hK0qT8/musk_ratings.png 

It really hard to know what will get through to these very devoted Musk fans when he digs a few hundred meter tunnel, with no train or pod, and people are all over the news saying this short and small tunnel will revolutionise transport!

I actually kinda like Elon Musk in that he's a billionaire spending his money on research... but god do I hate the way he massively over-promises impossible feats of technology that will 'revolutionise civilisation'.  I hate it even more when he delivers something thats a joke (500m of unfinished tunnel, or a rusty tube etc), and people cheer like hes the second coming of techno-jesus!  He promises magnificent skyscrapers and delivers a tiny lego house without a door!... and the crowd cheers!?! ? 

One of these days Elon Musk will invent the monorai and he will forever after be known as the monorail salesman!  I just hope he doesnt poison the reputation of science in the process.

One nice thing about this video, at least the comments werent filled with 'but Elon Musk did the impossible by landing a rocket vertically and reusing it'....because it was all done 20 years ago! :-D -progress!!

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Elon Musk promises $1 rides in LA transit tunnels: BUSTED!

monoraill..... MonoRail... MONORAIILLL!!!! Blow your mind how many times Elon Musk has promised revolution, and delivered nothing! https://www.patreon.com/Thunderf00t

Comments

Vlad

I was one of those downvoting your video. I agree that a better name for the "HyperLoop" would be "HypeLoop", and that, due to technical reasons and the huge costs involved, we will probably never see a large-scale implementation of such a thing and that the 3D Tunnel stuff is just as stupid. And I agree with many other things from your video. But where you went crazy and earned your downvote is when you criticized SpaceX. First of all, who cares if the vertical landing ideas are not original, if he is the first to have a successful commercial implementation for them? As an analogy, just because Star Trek popularized the teleportation concept years ago, you will dismiss the results of scientists working on quantum teleportation as "rehashing old ideas"? That's bullshit. You can whine that some of the money SpaceX got came from contracts with NASA, and indeed the NASA contracts saved SpaceX when it was about to go bankrupt. At that point SpaceX had invested $0.5 billion in developing the Falcon, $0.1 of that being Musk's own money and the rest investments from private funds, and NASA gave them another $0.4 billion to develop the Dragon. Without that, SpaceX would be dead, and Musk recognizes NASA saved their butt. But NASA estimated the costs of implementing that using traditional contracts with the legacy space industry would have cost them $4 billion. So, you shouldn't look at it as a $0.4 billion "gift" from NASA to SpaceX, but as a $3.6 billion "gift" from SpaceX to NASA. The total for the contracts with NASA and other US agencies so far is about $7.6 billion. They wouldn't get this kind of money if what they sell wasn't "the good stuff". They also got about $1.4 billion in private funding so far. Look at this: <a href="https://vgy.me/NTCpOi.png" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://vgy.me/NTCpOi.png</a> In just 6 years SpaceX went from 0% of the commercial launch market share to 60%, and the total revenues from launch contracts have reached $12 billion. And the rocket reuse has been demonstrated on commercial launches. We know they can reuse a rocket at least once, and the latest version is designed to be reused at least 10 times, and that version just had its first flight. We'll have to see how that pans out but, given their success so far, I wouldn't bet against that. Yes, Musk is known to overpromise and underdeliver. Whenever Musk gives you a time estimate for delivering something, it's safe to multiply that by 3, to get an accurate estimation, and the SpaceX future plans are not an exception. However, even with this caveat, it's very hard not to call what SpaceX did so far “a huge success”. The Falcon rocket is so successful that, after the successive upgrades, it now cannibalizes the market of its heavy lift version, the Falcon Heavy. There's not that much demand for the Falcon Heavy because the regular Falcon has become so powerful that most missions requiring a Falcon Heavy can now be launched on a regular Falcon. And yes, the Earth-to-Earth BFR flights are stupid and will probably never work. That doesn't diminish in any way what SpaceX has already achieved. A piece of advice. Studies have shown that when you try to convince people to change their mind and you present a list of arguments, the people you are trying to convince will focus on your weakest argument, debunk it, and then dismiss the rest of your arguments, even if some of them are very strong. That's why you should always include only your strongest arguments when trying to convince people of something, especially if they currently believe the opposite. As such, including the very weak SpaceX related arguments in this video probably made a lot of Musk fanboys dismiss the rest of your arguments as irrational anti-Musk hate. I'm not in that camp, but the anti-SpaceX part still pissed me off enough to downvote your video. Keep doing these videos, Musk’s stupid ideas need to be criticized. But his achievements need to be recognized as well, and SpaceX is one of them.

evan

Thunderfoot, I think you need to take a look at this issue from a different view. As a researcher your self I am sure you have investigated a hypothesis, maybe even secured funding for you research, only for the whole thing to turn out differently than expected. Failure can be a more important tool for progress than success because it shows us where the true boundaries are and allows us to build a more complete model of a system. Just like you, Elon is allowed to have ideas and invest in those as he pleases even if those ideas aren't entirely new, and is it really fair to compare a failed McDonnell Douglas prototype with a successful reused orbital class rocket? Just like your world of publish or perish Elon lives in a world of publicity or perish, his companies rely on a ready stream of investment because they are very capital intensive in the establishment phase (burn phase). Elon being out of the media and knuckling down on his existing, working and profitable companies means some of that investment dries up, and so too does the advancement from research and development. Bit by bit and with a few missteps he is slowly revolutionising the transport industry, isn't it a good thing that you can now buy a battery electric vehicle, or a trip to space for you payload, at a reasonable cost?

Eric Sage

I found your video informative and very useful. Good reference to the Delta Clipper program. I focused on sustainable transportation systems for my Bachelors and I found your criticisms to be well placed and fully justified. The artistic renditions of Elon Musk’s tunnel proposals are the exact opposite of the type of sustainable transportation system needed to support a densely populated urban area, especially where population is greater than 100K. Mass transit subways are far more sustainable. However, Musk’s tunnel system does fall in line with his business model of selling cars that would use such a system. Thanks for taking the time to produce these videos. Thumbs up all the way!

Anonymous

Thunderfoot is just trying to mitigate the bs and have a rational discussion. He is not against Musk.

Anonymous

Elon is a genius inventor. He’s a genius at inventing hype for the masses and getting people to part with their money on nothing but a whimsical dream of a promise. He’s a genius snake oil salesmen, that’s for certain. Genius inventor? Not so much.

Jack of Tears

Musk is the same kind of scientist as Neil DeGrasse Tyson in that it isn't his brilliance that is so important, but his ability to get others excited in science. In this way, he basically serves the same purpose as Thunderfoot's Youtube channel - making science seem fun and engaging.

Dave

no.