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Early Access: Movie Catch-up - January 2024 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-02-20 20:51:01
Edited:
2024-02-20 22:12:32
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2026-06

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Hey everyone, here's our latest movie catch-up where we discuss a very diverse array of movies that we watched over the course of January - some new, some old. As always be prepared for some hot takes and controversial opinions. Also, just a heads up, you can hear my central heat kick on towards the end of the discussion. We usually turn it off but it was freezing the day we recorded so sorry about that. Timecodes below!

00:00:00 - Wonka

00:10:27 - Poor Things

00:20:16 - Withnail & I

00:31:57 - My Dinner with Andre

00:42:36 - Gone with the Wind

00:49:12 - Killers of the Flower Moon

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Luke Gordnier

How Joe felt about the Irishman is I how I felt about wonka, I enjoyed it for what it was.

Luke Gordnier

I agree ryan no one can pace a movie anymore.

Mary and Steve

The way Steve and I stop everything we’re doing to listen to Movie Catch-ups 😂

Anthony Hoffman

I’d pay you both just to watch and review Madame Web.

JokersJuicyAss

OH BOY Ryan is gonna spend a half hour on Killers of the Flower Moon

JokersJuicyAss

Ryan that Transmission guy is probably me

Mary and Steve

Something ‘funny’ about the Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind and Fleming is he replaced George Cukor as director on both films.

Ryan Lancello

If anyone is interested here’s the vfx reel I discuss: https://youtu.be/8EPgrs5T3OM?feature=shared They did such a poor job on exposition that the audience didn’t recognize a character because he wasn’t wearing a hat, SO THEY CGI’D A HAT ON HIM!!! Personally, I still have no clue why this character crashes his car and dies, it made no sense at all in the moment and is immediately brushed aside.

Ryan Lancello

Also the Robbie Robertson score for Flower Moon (his last, rip) is HORRIBLE

Ryan Lancello

You know where to send the money

Steven Trotter

Top Ten! There he fucking goes ladies and gentlemen

Mary and Steve

Certified Brendan Fraser stan here: the crazy angle when he starts yelling with that goofy ass booming in the courtroom in Killers really took me out of the movie and then I saw JUST HOW MUCH MOVIE WAS LEFT. Also we were in the theater with this family that kept giggling at everything. You’d think Killers of the Flower Moon was the comedy of the year!

Ryan Lancello

Lmao I forget what was it this time?

Steven Trotter

The original Wonka, I believe within the first 3 minutes this time so new record well done

Mary and Steve

Steve says Deerskin by Quentin Dupieux (2019, I think it’s on Mubi) and I say watch Evolution lol - just kidding! I got nothing.

Ryan Lancello

I liked Deerskin, Dupieux rules I really should just watch all his stuff, I remember loving Wrong, really crazy fun movie.

Mary and Steve

Steve says Wrong is another good’un. I’m curious about the two movies he made last year - I’ve only seen the first half hour or so of Mandibles. Gonna throw out another rec from Steve: Giuseppe Makes a Movie - we can’t remember if either of you have watched or discussed on the pod. It’s on Internet Archive and occasionally, Criterion. Documentary about a guy making movies in a trailer park. Real interesting! I thought of Legend of the Stardust Brothers - wacky Japanese musical from the son of Osamu Tezuka. It is inspired by Phantom of the Paradise, sometimes pops up on Mubi.

Heath Chamerski

The original Willy Wonka, fair enough too on that one!

Luke Gordnier

The Malissa McCarthy movie was can you ever forgive me.

Tristan Horse

Cute Wonka 71 fact: supposedly most of the Oompa Loompa’s had to be shipped in from Turkey due to the lack of dwarves in Germany because oh uh well you know

Heath Chamerski

A Richard Griffiths film that'd be great for the show is Blame It On The Bellboy - the film isn't a masterpiece but the cast is great and Griffiths has much more screen time than he usually does, it's worth checking out.

Thomas Bishop

For me, the problem with modern Scorsese is that it's all so overwrought, like he's inserting himself into every frame. Like imagine a scene where the camera moves through 1800s New York street vendors and it's all people bombarding you on the edge of the frame constantly, doing their wacky 1800s-isms. And there's like a guy juggling knives stumbling in front of the camera and someone shouts "get your eels here!' and a row of hookers frolic by and blush and grab their dresses. It's like, you might have these interesting historical stories and the top acting talent money can buy, but if everything is gonna be painstakingly choreographed, I feel like you need to give it some purpose or unique energy outside of cliches.

JokersJuicyAss

Well Ryan you can watch The Fall Guy, the TV show that movie is gonna suck so instead of watching a CGI up the ass movie about a Stuntman you can watch a old physical effect TV show about a Stuntman

JokersJuicyAss

Another fun fact it's a great example of a pre OSHA workplace

The One and Rory

Just to clear some stuff up, I did not constantly pester these lads to cover Babylon. I've only asked twice, within gaps of a good few months. I suggested it since I know Joe is a silent movie buff and I wanted his two cents on how accurate the film is. Regarding the Killers of the Flower Moon discussion, I'm with you somewhat on it. I read the book first before watching the film, to get the full rundown on what actually happened. Like Joe said, it's a real page-turner that grabs your attention with its compelling mystery and history lessons on the atrocities committed against Native Americans. My guess is when Scorsese read it, he thought he could adapt this as a mobster film like Goodfellas or The Irishman, which strips away entirely what made the book enjoyable in the first place. One of the biggest criticisms against the film is that the Osage get the short end of the stick, seeing as the focus is entirely on Burkhart & Hale. Everything feels so repetitious, seeing as scenes rethread what we already know. Despite Lily Gladstones' strong performance as Molly, they don't give her too much to do in the later acts, seeing as she's bedridden (Though I will grant them that the book did this as well, but was more from the FBI's perspective from that part). The book gave you an extensive rundown of the Osage and their dealings with the white man throughout history, learning more about their traditions and culture. The film only touches upon it, hardly dedicating any time to it. And yeah, whilst I'm on it, this film did not need to be 3 and a half hours long. Fitting that Scorsese directed this since it feels like an old man is holding your arm and rambling to you for a good chunk of time. To quote that one SpongeBob SquarePants episode: "Two hours is LONG ENOUGH!!!!". No wonder people didn't show up to the cinemas, because who can sit in a possibly hot room for that amount of time with no intermissions (Which some cinemas implemented only for Scorsese and the editor to get pissy and threaten to pull the flick from those cinemas)? Scorsese's nightmares are probably pairs of scissors chasing his workprint, seeing as nobody has worked up the courage to say "no" to him. That said, I will defend the use of CGI slightly. When you mentioned that the oil towers and Osage circle were CGI, I didn't realise that. I get why they were used for the towers, since it does communicate the size and scope of the Osage's wealth, showing what's at stake for this tribe. Directors using it in post production is nothing new. Fincher is known for it with Zodiac and Dragon Tattoo being the two I can think of, with the results selling the illusion. Perhaps Ryan is a lot more perceptive to it, seeing as I was fooled by the effect (Often the best visual effects are the ones where you don't realise they were effects). If it were done practically, it would have been time-consuming and hectic, not wanting to recreate a Heaven's Gate scenario with a fake town being constantly rebuilt. But yeah, while CGI can create the impossible, the results most of the time don't age well. Lord knows how Killers of the Flower Moon will be seen in 10 years, but it won't be one I put in my Scorsese Top 10.

JokersJuicyAss

Like I'm pretty sure I pester them more about Babylon

JokersJuicyAss

Okay so I thought of this at work, imagine a bunch of black people are rightfully complaining about the lack of roles they get in Hollywood, and Hollywood responds by by giving the few reasons they get to white people and now they put those white people in black face, that is literally what is going on with Wonka and little people

Demetreas Andrews

I always forget that Willy Wonka is a musical too. I like all the songs except "Cheer up Charile" I loved when RLM talked about it a few years ago and they said that every kid would fast forward through that part and it's true. My family always would. Instead of a prequel, I would like to see a movie based on "The Great Glass Elevator." It's such a bizarre book were they deal with dangerous aliens in space and the grandparents start to age backwards until they're a negative age. I think there's potential as it's just Charlie, his family, and Wonka going on bizarre adventures. I'm at a point where I'm tired of people taking someone else's work and adding their own stories to it. It almost always just feels like fanfiction.

Demetreas Andrews

I know that Joe said he was going to watch some Studio Ghibli films. I don't know if you've already watched Spirited Away, but last year Fathom Events showed the live on stage version in theaters and it's now on HBO Max. I absolutely loved it when I saw it in theaters last year. The sets, costumes, and effects were all incredible. It's all in Japanese, so you don't to worry about weird dubbing.

Ryan Lancello

Nailed it. It’s all very stage-y and comes off in the end feeling completely hollow.

Salvador Pereira

could you guys do Army of One 2016 with Nic Cage

Lux Anatis

That Cheer Up Charlie song so perfectly captures a certain aspect of my own relationship with my mother that it's hard for me to even hear today.