Home Creators Posts Import Register Favorites Logout

Content

Saw some confusion in the comments for last chapter. Speifically this one."Doesn't this chapter break the lore of BoC? The outer disciples being given a qi-infusion technique with the (hidden) intent of using it for cultivating plants, indicates that the concept of using your qi to enrich your surroundings is not foreign to them. Yet, all the earlier parts of BoC talks about this as if it's heresy and was only conceived of because of the isekai nature of the protagonist. Sure, you want Jin not to have just invented everything out of thin air, but the concept of willingly parting with your own qi was blasphemous to the extreme in the earlier chapters, to the point that when Bi De did it elsewhere, it was the first time in centuries, if not millenia, that the earth spirits had experienced it."

its a failure on my part if something has to be explained out of setting, but here it is.Theres a difference between nurturing Spiritual Herbs, and what Jin ended up doing. Shou does not give his Qi to the earth. None of the disciples in the CSS are. The outer sect is relegated to gowing the masses of herbs as a Qi training excersise, and to benifit the sect. Its a chore.A few will wonder if theres a better way to do that, seeking knowledge, and finding more comprehensive, but more difficult formations. This does not nessisarily improve quality, but it would speed up your chore/make it easier/allow you to basically automate it.

Rou crafted a superior formation, one that was good enough it dramatically improved the quality of the herbs, because instead of just using one of the new techniques, he combined all of them, which actually took more Qi, and didn't speed anything up. But Rou was a perfectionist, and in his mind success was not producing herbs the fastest, but producing the best. If he had the best, for only a bit more expenditure, then the quality would enable him to get better prices, so he could buy more things. Time now for time later. It also fit with Shen Yu's teachings, where the goal was basically perfection.If he only used it for his job (getting useful herbs) that would have been fine. But once he got to his farm? Instead he just pumps his Qi into everything. Instead of carefully using his Qi for descisive, maximum impact, Hes draining himself compeltely. He is fundamentally not doing cultivation because what he was doing was basically a 0 return on investment. In the Shrouded Mountian Sect Big D specifically notes when hes forced to tend to the garden that hes not only not advancing, but he might be regressing until he learns the breath of life. In giving it all to the Earth, he wasn't going anywhere, and when other people took the herbs, it was a net loss for him.

So. When Shou uses his formation he uses the minimum amount of Qi to achive his goals of growing plants that will be useful to his cultivation, and he occasionally also grows things for his wife. His formation is crisp, clean, scientifically calcuated to give his plants their Qi requirements.... and exactly their Qi requirements. He has identified what he needs to do and does that. It is efficent. He accelerates their growth as much as he can when he can get away with it. Shou could grow like 100 harvests of rice in a week, and then the lands barren, but he has what he wanted.

Jin's formation and philosophy on the other hand is everything gets some. Those worms hes not going to eat? Qi. That rock? Qi. the dirt? Qi. The birds who steal my crops, the bugs that eat their leaves, the trees and the grass and the air? Everything gets juiced. He entends his power to everything, and so everything receives his gift. He spends his Qi into the earth instead of finding Qi filled earth. He spends into rice instead of finding a Dragon vein to do it for him. Instead of a thousand formations to protect his investment, theres songbirds fattened on Gold Grade Rice they've stolen from his fields.Its winter now. Shou is just assuming THIS is how he uses his Qi. If he came in spring everybody would be like "what the hells is this boy doing?!" When you put the top grade 10K USD a pound fertilizer on the herbs that will sell for 20K a gram, everyone goes "yeah, that tracks."When you then turn around and give that same fertilizer to sunflowers because they're pretty, everyone looks at you like you're a moron.Its fundamentally different than the standard operation.A little bit rambly but hopefully it got the point across.

Comments

Maria Klein

Thanks for the post! It’s good to have clarification

Adam Boshcoff

Appreciate the breakdown! I sorta got this from how you wrote it, but really appreciate the clarification.

WarStrider72

I personally didn't think what Jin/Rou was doing was breaking the lore. I just thought that the Outer Disciples of the CSS were just all muscle heads that couldn't care less about actually understanding the scrolls available to them. Sure the techniques and fighting Scrolls are devoured pretty fast but the philosophy, science, math Scrolls are probably ignored. Or read lightly

Josh Meneely

I enjoy the fact that this shows Rou was no slouch. Not that it ever comes across that he was, but Jins ideas come across as the best most times.

leopard eye

Once again, everything is connected. If you boost the entire ecosystem, then the land and everything in and on it grow in balance, thus achieving the best long-term results. There is also a difference between using the formation and just giving your Qi to the earth. Right?

GreenB

I hope the elders do show up during the spring and summer to see how Jin and co does their farming. That'd be a fun read

Pixelblade

Thanks for the information. The difference is a lot more clear now.

Ligeia

Thanks, CF! Maybe later, when you edit everything for the next book, you can expand a bit on this so all the readers can see how different Jin's techniques are from the rest. Or, like Tolkien, start creating appendices of various lore chapters so those who love your stories but don't, like those of us here, read every word repeatedly and often can understand in a bit more depth, too. Just a thought, I'm not trying to make extra work for you!

Guber

Oooh! Very neat! Thanks for the explanation!

Linkneo5

Hmm interesting. Does this mean that the difference between Jin's special cultivation vs say Big D's is that Big D only gives a portion of his ki to Tianlan, thus receiving her protection but keeps the majority for himself? Whereas Jin just dumps all his ki into the farm, all day every day and is only still standing because Tianlan is supporting him? I did wonder why only Jin (and maybe Meimei) are on the path of Shennong...

Neuropain

Honestly this has been very clear for a long time, made even more so once Bi De was in the SMS.

Red Viking

I did not have this confusion, but this was still very informative and interesting. Thank you.

Kt-x

Love the lore! Thank you! 😊

NameGame

Completely off topic, I'm a little surprised that a certain sleeping gold fused person should be awake, since winter is over, and hasn't made so much as a peep while the old monsters are visiting. Just putting that out there. Thanks for the clarification. I understood it the first time, but I can see how it could be confusing if viewed in a different way.

Lupin2078

Can someone help me enter the discord im very new to the signature and forgive my english because im from Brasil

Brent

I appreciate the explanation. I also see how that is a bit hard to weave into the story at the moment since Shou doesn't know about Jin's path yet.

litalmexy

Honestly as soon as you list what was getting qi, I just laughed and took this as, a your cool vs everybody gets one 😂

Andrew Tait

Brilliant explanation mate

ColleenR

This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the expansion here. You might consider making this a postscript in the book when you publish this chapter.

ENK

Thanks for the answer (I wrote that comment). I think the quickest and most compact way of expressing this info within the chapter would be something along the line of this dialogue (written better and more naturally by you ofc, but containing essentially the same info): Shou: You use the qi-infusion formation on all of the plants here? (referring to the greenhouse) Jin: Yes, it was a bit taxing at first but then it gave so much more back. (referring to the entire farm) Shou recalls the criticism he has gotten from other elders for his "wasteful use of qi", and gives a sympathetic nod to Jin. Jin smiles in return, completely oblivious to the deep misunderstanding between them.

Timothy Dana

“Its winter now. Shou is just assuming THIS is how he uses his Qi.” For clarity, what do you mean by THIS?

Timothy Dana

“He spends into rice instead of finding a Dragon vein to do it for him” does this mean that accessing a dragon vein is common? Or that the process is overbearing and demonstrates dominion over the land ?

Guy L.

thankyou, this was entertaining and informative.

X4non

"Jin's formation and philosophy on the other hand is everything gets some." So, Jin is basically Oprah? You get Qi. You get Qi. Everyone gets Qi!

Trish Brown

I understood where you were coming from but it's great that you took the time to make us understand the difference. It's amazing to have access to you through this app. Fan girling here. 🫶

KyoDaDungeon!!

nah i think others just didn't stop to think you've explained at least once that the way jin does things is more natural and in tune with nature plus a lost art (Shennog) this explanation does give voice to things that's in-between the lines that might have been lost tho yes thank you

Keliana Tayler

This clarified things beautifully for me. Thank you. I would love the see this depth and thought be hinted at better in the future books. For now, this post works just fine.

Lonnie Sizemore

Am I the only one who got the mental image of Jin dressed up like Oprah while he's giving out Chi? Everyone gets Chi!

Baron of Awesome

I am here to read and only to read this masterful work. Anything else irrelevant.

Miles Sumida

I thought it was pretty clear what was happening just from the text, but I always appreciate getting more details.

Brandon Cleveland

Are semi local hunters getting better game meat or birds from the incidental losses of Fa Ram spreading to the local ecosystem?

Harper

You already did a good job of explaining this in book 1 and 2. I personally don't think you need to do anything other that what you were already planning. People can reread or ask on the forums if they forgot, just like they would any other series :)

Revan694

I also thought this was already pretty clear earlier on in the story, but I guess it's good to show the fundamental differences every once and a while. Jin's gotta highlight how he has the power to make his petunias pop! :)

Just a goat on a mountain

Thanks for the explanation, helps put everything into perspective again after a while of not rereading previous chapters

Muzzlepatch

Heaven on earth Pay it forward etc, etc

Muzzlepatch

I wanna see Fa'ram against the old farts in a game of Haqi

D J Meigs

I think I understood what was meant. It might help to emphasise that they’re talking about the formation Rou created at the CSS to grow higher quality lowly spiritual herbs rather than what Jin does when farming rice for example. I know that since Rou and Jin fully merged CF’s been making sure Jin doesn’t speak of Rou things as if they weren’t Jin’s as well. But I think a lot of us still think of them as two different times so when Jin claims the formation as his own we don’t immediately think of things he did at CSS.

Idan tal

I don’t think it’s needed, but it’s always enjoyable getting more info on the world.

Often Irrelephant

Huh. I had kind of assumed Jin's method was a bit like regenerative grazing (but with chi!). And, sort of? The whole system improves, but just kind of chi-soaker hosing everything in sight was a touch less calculated than I had assumed. (And yes - I understand his chi soaking is intentional and not the norm - I just hadn't realized rock-tan also got a good spritz.)

ekwood

My personal interpretation was that the conclusion of the argument between Shen Yu and Jin held some major significance to this topic. Specifically, his stated goal of “Making his own Heaven On Earth.” I can't help but note that there is once again some clever duality going on given that Jin and Shen Yu seem to be comprehending the reality of the situation from opposite directions. And it is Jin's starkly different sensibilities that are why he tries things that seem absurd to other cultivators. In Jin's mind, he is simply giving his all (which is a lot and growing, but that's not the important part to him) doing what he feels is right and comes naturally for him: making a home all his own and living well off the land, sustainably. The whole endeavor is humble and reasonable to his way of thinking. While not entirely ignorant of xianxia techniques and concerns, he is minimalistic in their use and in his involvement. Doing something impossible or heavens defying is the farthest possible thing from being the point--which is probably part of what vexes people so much when he keeps doing it. To Shen Yu, Jin is walking a path that very much resembles the Path of Shennong, but in a novel way. Instead of simply serving the land and eventually dying without having accomplished anything apart from maintaining the balance, he is mending a broken land (which has never been done with the Path before, to our knowledge) and beyond that has ambitions of not simply mending, but elevating the land itself to become part of heaven. Tianlan has already broken a bunch of rules (which given that she even can means they were more like guidelines anyway) so who knows? Maybe Jin will be the first cultivator to successfully cultivate the land to a higher plane of existence.

Cranky Otter

Thanks, I didn’t get that from the reading but I didn’t not get it either. Jin is still using formations to do the Qi dispersal? (The style of it allowing the plants to turn to goo if done wrong)

Galven Star

I thought this was obvious, I have no idea how the original poster got to where they got, it was always described as stupid, not as something that nobody has thought of and anathema to thr nature of cultivation.