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about the voting link thing (Patreon)

Published:
2016-07-26 22:30:46
Imported:
2026-06

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so the site is doing something I didn't quite expect, and seems to.. like, basically because I put it in alphabetical order, that alone seems to skew the vote a bit? I dunno. I'm going to let it run for two or three days, but if the results still seem strange I'll consider just going the old way

if anyone has any thoughts or preferences, here's the space for it

Comments

Anonymous

Just cut it off at five or ten when you see the final results. I imagine what most people did was move the stuff they cared about up top then left the rest in alphabetical order. The top bunch should still be accurate.

Ometeotl

It has nothing to do with the site programming or your method, it's that people only have opinions for certain games, so they put the ones they would vote for at the top and the ones they would anti-vote for on the bottom, and the rest are left as is, so that greatly skews the results.

Wymar Sane

It also looks like people can cheat by voting multiple times.

Wymar Sane
>>2210627

That's what it's going to be like anyway, top 5 makes it into the LPs. Although given with just how many games are suggested, I think maybe including all of the top 10 would be better. Sure, the votes would happen way less often, but that also means that some games that barely didn't make the cut would still make it without being bogged down or outright forgotten in the next vote.

Wymar Sane

Also is a high number or a low number good? Because right now Starbound and Undertale have pretty high values while games like Aquaria and Escape Goat 2 are pretty low.

Josh

I don't think there's a problem with the site; it's just that people are going to leave things they don't care about unranked. So, towards the end of the preference list you might get results that trend alphabetical, but a top-5 or top-10 should work just fine.

Anonymous
>>2210967

Yeah, this looks to be what's happening; people aer ranking their top 10 (or so) and their bottom 10 (or so), while leaving everything else untouched.

Willhart

Not sure if splitting it into smaller groups all tournament style would help a little. Also randomizing the order would not help too much if the order is still same for everyone voting.

Willhart

Also I'm bit conserned on the security of the link in a way. It's not really patron exclusive.

Xirix

If it's iffy I think we should just vote like usual, but maybe you could assign a couple people to count the votes, that would save you doing it at least.

Willhart
>>2211984

I'd be up for something like that again. I like to follow how things are going.

Djinn

How about ditching the ranking system and asking each person to come up with a maximum of 10 games in no specific order that they would like to see played. The winners would be the games with the most votes. This way the top five would be the games that the most people want to see rather than the games that a few people ranked super high. And it's easier on our end too.

BobisOnlyBob

Yeah, I'm not sure anyone really desperately wants Aero the Acro-bat 2, while anything with a name beginning with "N" or further in the alphabet is languishing. The default sorting is skewing it because people are just pushing their top 5 or so up to the top and leaving the rest as they are - in alphabetical order.

Garlyle Wilds

I get that this would be ideal for cutting down on work, but yeah; even all those things you're not sorting are still actually being sorted simply by being left neutral, and that's heavily influencing the results I think? And that I can hit refresh and vote again(!?) is... well point is this'd be great if it was a shorter list, but it's not

That Guy If
>>2211756

Yeah, a Group Stage would be most fitting. There's just so many. Cut it down to about 16 for a second round, and then really really push for Top 5.

Panape

Basically what I wrote in the coments there after voting, there are too many games to choose from. To me a "Pick your favorite top 10" would be better than "Rearrange this huge list"

Anonymous

Way too big a list, and when you have to go just by gut feeling on the most of it the games tend to blend together and results get skewed. I would have gone with a vote for a genre of game rather then individual games and later do a second round of voting with maybe just the top 2 genres included. Not ideal in any sense but way better then this

Kaiminus

Maybe you should have used the rating system instead. With 10 as "You should really play this game", 0 as the opposite, and 5 as a neutral / "I don't care" option. Also, it's visible on the open polls page. <a href="http://www.polljunkie.com/open" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.polljunkie.com/open</a> Also, I was wondering, for the last polls, were you counting points by hand or was it automated ? I used a spreadsheet when I made popularity polls, but I don't know how much it would be useful to you since you make those twice / thrice a year.

Zephyr Dragon Lord

I really like the idea of a rating system... It allows for many games to be properly pitted against each other for the claim to being LPed.

Bellmoore

I made an attempt to mix the games I didn't care about instead of leaving them in an alphabetical order, but submitting a Top 10 favorite games list would be preferable to this thing.

Sebby19

I didn't do the poll right away because it was 2AM, but now I don't like doing the poll at all, cause I'll have to skim through an hour fifty video to get a sense on everything again. The list is too big to be used properly. My top 5 are: Aquaria The Hero 'trilogy' Hyper Princess Pitch Umbrella Adventure Fly'n

Fawriel

Yeah this isn't ideal at all. And I'm only partially saying that because Ori's doing terrible in the poll!

Wymar Sane

Halfway through the vote and the top 10 games all start with the letters A-G. I'm not sure if this is a result of the ordering, since they're genuinely good or at least widely asked-for games (tbh I think Cave Story is a bit overdone but that's neither here nor there), but the fact that you can't tell is probably bad enough.

Lovely Penguin

1.) Super Mario 3Mix 2.) Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows 3.) DKC Trilogy 4.) Sonic 2 XL 5.) Kirby and the Amazing Mirror 6.) Mighty No. 9 7.) Ori and the Blind Forest (definitive edition) 8.) Cave Story 9.) Super Paper Mario 10.) Undertale

Lovely Penguin

Also, wow, I've gotten kinda busy (read: lazy), so I'm two videos behind (soon to be three). I'm sorry! ;v;