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Orb Ep 25 (Patreon)

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2025-07-08 18:35:22
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2026-09
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The time has come. Everything great ends 😭This episode left me with so many questions that are articulated at the end of the reaction. Please share your comments, theories, and interpretations. Thanks!

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Halo S

Skipped to the discussion first Strictly based on timeline that cannot be the same Rafal from the start of the show. The author just used his image and name to make a statement. I think they could have done it more clearly but I like the idea behind it. My interpretation was that these 2 Rafals are very similar people at opposite ends of extremism. They both think heliocentrism is more important than individual lives. But our Rafal sacrifices his own life for that belief where this Rafal sacrifices another life. That out of the way I will now watch the reaction 🙂

Halo S

albert was a real person and he did influence Copernicus but the history/childhood is probably fictional

Dario Lizardisilva

Yeah, this Rafal is not the one we knew before, it just tries to represent that as well as our previous main characters were willing to die for their own beliefs, there's also people willing to kill for same reason. Also every character looked at the sky before dying, just to point out they shared the same sky, even if different age, sharing a story altogether

Halo S

The most powerful thing for me about this ending that everything was leading towards the truth being published, but in the end they failed to publish the book. All the characters that gave their lives for this and 99.9% of their work and actions were lost to history... yet that 0.1% made it through, even if by pure luck, and changed the world forever. Our protagonists' actions were not in vain 😢. And that shot of all our protagonists looking at the sky as they died is simple yet powerful. Everyone had a role to play to reach this ending.

Jet Man

Doppelgänger. In theatrical productions/stage plays, there are sometimes characters that are meant to be a thematic representation of another, but slightly off skew. You can find them a lot in Shakespeare. We are shown the likeness of Rafael because he is a representation of similar ideas, such as that curiosity and pursuit of knowledge, but with a twist on certain character aspects, such as morality. Doppelgängers have also acted as a sort of omen for endings, which may be a bit of a stretch, but makes sense to me why this is all happening right at the end of this amazing story.

Lixien

I honestly LOVE that they made the epilogue a bit confusing. It obviously led to people making theories and making their own interpretations on the ending. And what's more fitting for Orb than an ending that makes you think?

TheGoblerTrainsMovinIn

imo i think it would have been better if they didnt make it a weird rafal clone, i feel like it would have been fine if it was just some other tutor. still overall great show tho

Lixien

I will just link this reddit post because I think it puts into words what I think about the ending better than me: https://www.reddit.com/r/OrbOntheMovements/s/bCETH2txzT But yeah, just to add things myself, like I commented in a reply, I just really like how the ending wasn't made very clear, it spawned theories and interpretations on what the ending really meant or what was trying to tell and I think it's just very fitting to Orb. I also love how this epilogue connected fiction to reality. The shows uses the fact that we don't really know exactly how our history happened, we got told about it but we were not there. In our history, the main character Albert is real and he was a figure who inflluenced Copernicus which would then create the model of Heliocentrism. The characters from the first 23 episodes were fictional but they could be real, they were just erased from history and we just never knew about them. If you go to the OP comparisons, the characters from the first 23 episodes are erased at the beginning. When this show started, they were a few comments saying that "heliocentrism being persecuted this hard by the church is not really that accurate but it doesnt matter since it's fiction" but then we learn how Nowak misunderstood the whole situation, that Heliocentrism was only persecuted in their area because of an insecure man and he was just being used. So in the end, it fits into our history.

Jet Man

Human beings are neither god nor beast, that's why they can accept contradiction, ambiguity, and confusion.

Jet Man

One theory I want to touch upon--one that gets eclipsed by everything else in this final episode--is on the man in the confessional booth as he talks about the death of his friend. There were two inquisitors that were tasked with extracting information from Jolanta. One of them did as they were told and the other broke the rules and helped her escape. The latter died as a result of this action. It seems plausible to me that this man in the confessional might be the one that survived, given how he talks about it.

mojhito5

And just like that, the journey’s over. Although for me, that was just the beginning. It was the moment I finished this series that I realized there was so much more to life than the bubble I was living in. A genuine thaumazein. Regarding the ending, you will certainly see a lot of interpretations of it. Firstly, you think that Rafal somehow is alive, but then you are going to be stuck with the inconsistencies with the timeline. Then, you might think that last episodes are happening in the alternative universe. Because firstly, Albert Brudzewski is our first actual real human being in the series, and secondly, our setting in ep23 changed to the Kingdom of Poland, a real place again, in contrast to the Kingdom of P that we had before. But then again, how do we have the exact same book? With the message saying “please give 10% to Potocki”? Do you really believe that our characters’ efforts were just in vain? I also saw the theory of our second Rafal being the representation of Antichrist, or it being the version of himself he would grow up into if he did not die, or it showing that there is also another side to heliocentrists. Honestly, all these theories probably do make sense, but only one thing is true: you do not get a clear answer. The last episode is named “?” for a reason. The author just does not want to give us that. You have to keep thinking. “Keep wandering”, as Jolenta has said. Doubt, like Albert did. But believe in your truth. Like all the heliocentrists did, despite never being able to prove it to others. Because it is beautiful. Because it’s your own.

Marthan

My theory is that, while set in a realistic time and place, everything we've watched up until these last two episodes were fictional characters in a story. Albert and Copernicus were the first and only real people from history mentioned in this anime so by the end of episode 23, we transitioned from fiction to a depiction of reality set from Albert's point of view. Albert's tutor having Rafal's likeness was meant to show that, not just for religion, having a blind and fanatic belief in anything can lead you astray. Having it be Rafal here showed that even his belief in curiosity and freedom of knowledge could've lead him to doing something like this if left unmoderated. But anyways, the audience having such differing beliefs about what this ending means is 100% in the spirit of the shows main message and I think that's genius.

Jet Man

What would be your reasoning behind the letter that is received at the very end where Albert overhears the title of the book?

Inosek

I believe the theory about episodes 1-23 being a book written by Albert makes the most sense. Throughout the show, we were given only a name for each character except Albert Brudzewski who had a full name and surname. Moreover, Albert Brudzewski was actually a real person who was a Polish scholar during those times. There were also other things like at the start we were introduced to Kingdom of P and later it was stated that we were in Poland

Marthan

That's the bit that I'm struggling on too. Maybe the book and the letter were real, but how they got to that place at that time was fictional? It's a theory full of holes but there's a lot to suggest it's true. Like how in episode 1 we were only given "Early 15th century, Kingdom of P" as our setting but at the start of Alberts story we were told an actual real world location and year. Even the ending text about Albert and Copernicus stopped telling a story and moreso started recounting history.

drumrolltonyreacts

That is cool that this piece of media is what turned that light on for you. Very cool, actually.

WF

One thing I found interesting was how Albert’s dad focused on “doubt” or questioning things, which is a hallmark of scientific progress and the scientific method. Except here he used it to promote his faith (learn so you can please God and benefit the people, have a reason to learn). Whereas Rafal focused on “conviction” or believing in your intuition/ideas, which is typically something associated with religious belief. Except here he used it to promote indiscriminate learning or more broadly science (learn because you want to and because your curiosity is valid, you don’t need a reason) Just a cool inversion of what we would normally associate with each system. Albert points out the flaws of going all in on either “doubt” or “conviction” and the concluding message in my eyes is that as people we need to balance our convictions/beliefs with our doubts and take them both into consideration when going through life.

WF

I think it worked really well with Rafal being the tutor. It emphasized to us how had Rafal lived and grown up, his curiosity and passion for learning could lead him down the path of someone who would commit murder for his beliefs, even though his beliefs weren’t religious. The message would not be as strong had some random person been the tutor. It’s only because it was Rafal (and because we love him and rooted for him from before) that it makes us think so deeply about how he could have done such a thing and why, as well as how we should feel about it

Logan H

We have seen every character death exept Rafal. And the Rafal's cross didn't burnt. I believe hé drunk a poison to fake his death and escape. I like that theory because all the adventure with Badeni and Draka became "useless". Like a lot of work in science will never been seen but it exist

Halo S

Rafal's arc is 35 years prior to Albert. Let's say Albert's flashback is ~10 years ago, that makes Rafal ~37 when he tutored Albert, which he clearly isn't. Unless the author just wanted him to look identical for thematic purposes and ignored his age, that can't be the same Rafal

Halo S

I also just want to believe Rafal died because I feel like him having survived and escaped would undermine the whole theme of the show, self sacrifice for something greater than yourself

Belac

I think it's more so just a representation of how something so simple can spark human curiosity. How something so small can lead to world shifting (pun unintended) revelations and advancements. Like how Isaac Newton started thinking after witnessing an apple fall.

RadzioxxD

And as far as I remember, Brudzewski gave private lectures to Nicolaus Copernicus

P_ateric

To me, the ending section is the “Huh?” moment that the author very lovingly placed for us readers at the end. It is left for us to doubt, to believe, and to keep on thinking. It urges us to flip back to the start of the manga to check the date, the notation of names and find that Rafael couldn’t be the same person based on age. To find that in the beginning of the story, the country that Rafael lives in is labeled as “Country P” but Albert’s country is clearly marked as Poland. We then realize this whole journey up to Albert’s section is a work of fiction but also a symbol for all the human activities that happened in leading to the establishment of heliocentric theory. All of this, tied to the title of our manga: チ。(Earth; Intelligence; Wisdom; Knowledge; Blood): On the movement of the Earth, is crafted to inspire us to go find our own questions to answer and to doubt. Man I love the ending and this manga so much.