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Anabel Gonzalez

Nice, haven’t seen this in a while 😊

Drewcliff82

Hell yea bro. Classic Robert Redford.

Call me Lilly, Lilith if ya Nasty.

Oooh, groovy... And it's one I haven't seen... "They had Computers?" What did you think that 'apparatus' at the beginning was? 😉 Slug was unrecoverable... Either it went through, oooor... it disintegrated into bits too small to be recoverable, especially at a time when hollow-points were uncommon and the coroner wouldn't know to look for metal fragments that small. First five minutes let's gooooo! I'm having fun. 😁

Call me Lilly, Lilith if ya Nasty.

It's 1975, *Everything* was okay back then... it's part of the reason why everybody's stressin' over everything now. (Never been to China, i.e. he's telling us she's an American-born Chinese-American and not native to where that 'Ideogram' comes from.)

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25 minutes in, I think you've hit the nail on the head with how this movie (and movies of this era if not generally, then at least within specific genres and sub-genres) is expecting you to pay attention and find patterns in seemingly innocuous details instead of having major plot-points spoon-fed to you. Some details so far. Langly, that's a BIG clue. 'Headquarters at Langly'. That can only mean this 'historical literature society' is some kind of CIA front. The additional security bears that out. They mention analyzing books, given the connection to Langly this is likely not general lit-review stuff. And our protagonist mentions the book he's been tasked with analyzing is unusual in that it didn't sell well, but was translated into multiple languages and the languages it was translated in vs. which ones it Wasn't translated into didn't make sense to them... ...and then [[the fire nation attacked.]]

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47 minutes in. Marines, on guard-duty, in full dress uniform. Lots of black Lincolns. I'm guessing this is going up to a level that's Presidential-Adjacent.

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"...sexual.." Honey-pot. That's one of the most common methods for turning hostile agents. That or blackmail. 1975, this was still the era where if you were homosexual and someone threatened to make your life difficult because of this you did not have any power.

Call me Lilly, Lilith if ya Nasty.

Bro, why are you telling all this to this random civilian... your Hostage. Yes, she is your hostage, you are a hostage taker now. I understand the situation and desperate times but... yeah, definitely not a Spy, Spy would know better.

Call me Lilly, Lilith if ya Nasty.

*cringes through the bed scene* [viewed through modern sensibilities.] "Oh yeah, this is total villain behavior, this is horrible, who thought this was okay to put in this movie?" [rewind to 1975 sensibilities.] "Oh yeah, love-interest for sure. She's definitely gonna fall in love with him by the end of the film... This is a totally normal thing to assume that a woman would do in this situation."

slimsycentaur37

two knobs for the shower and two knobs for the tub faucet

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The biggest fear of women was then and is now to this very day the fear of being 'forcefully penetrated' in a non-consensual manner. That NEVER changed. This was the 70's at the start of ramping-up violent crime so it probably got talked about openly more often then. Is it the most likely thing to happen to a woman? Maybe not. But that's irrelevant. On the list of 'these are the awfullest things that could happen to me' being 'forcefully penetrated without consent' in that manner is up at or near the top, even rivaling being gruesomely deleted. How would you feel about the threat of, "Imma take these power-tools and use them on your genitals to forcibly remove them."? That's basically how women feel about the idea of being forcefully penetrated without consent.

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Generator... it's what much, much older cars had instead of alternators.... I didn't think that 4x4 was that old tho. Presumably they stopped using those and went to alternators due to efficiency reasons.

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Hour and 32 minutes... this is gross. In the 70s this was considered 'Romance'. today we call it what it is, Stockholm Syndrome. This 'Hallucination' of female emotions comes from men with 1970's sensibilities writing female characters in a way that reinforces their favorite fantasy, and it's a fable that the Andrew Tates of the world think was real and want to go back to. A world where all it takes is a Man being "Manly" and "Taking Charge" (By being a forceful and aggressive and plausibly dangerous asshole) in a woman's presence and her ovaries will kick her brain out the door and make her fall on the guy's genitals.

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What happened was, it's a movie, from the 70's. Up 'til now it's all been nerdy shit, intellectually interesting and rewarding nerdy shit. They need to make the male lead pair up with a female lead and knock boots to keep the audience's butts in the seats. Why didn't they let the woman at the start he was obviously pushin'-up on survive and then let them go at it? Are you blind? She's Asian, you can't have your white male lead getting busy with a non-white woman on film. It's the 70's, there's 'specialty films' for that. 🤣

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And, yeah... Radical Femminism of the quote/unquote 'Man-Hating' variety took root in this era, largely because of this BS right here.

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It's not the 'bad boy influence' making her return to smoking, it's the stress. Nicotine reportedly calms stress, one of the reasons people pick-up that disgusting habit in the first place. Her going back to smoking and her refusing to drive him all the way to D.C. are the only two realistic reactions to this situation I've seen from her so-far in this movie.

TigerMyth

Not part of a movie series. The lead role Robert Redford was one of the top actors of his time along with Paul Newman. They were in a few movies together. I'm sure at some point you will add The Sting to your list. Redford was also a very good director.

TigerMyth

Lol. You are overthinking it early on. Cleary this is a government agency. The Langley comment was spoken just to let you know this office is somehow attached to the CIA.

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Bersa .380, and a Star model B. Classic movie guns for movies in that era which didn't have the armory budget for PPKs and 1911s.

TigerMyth

Context clues. Everything he does at the start is sloppy. He stumbles around. He isn't a field agent. He is a desk jockey analyst. He was reading books and reports at the start.

Call me Lilly, Lilith if ya Nasty.

Finally... had to cringe through some of the 'romance' moments... but got through it. Overall, very impressed with the 'nerd shit'. The intelligence of the protagonist contrasted with his naivete. He's in 'The Company' and he still believes in resolute, unbending principles... and he's way too skilled for just a bog-standard nerdy analyst type. That thing with the phones, that was hacking before there was hacking. Everything from the skills on display to the plots within plots to the geopolitical commentary was top notch. And then... I usually roll my eyes when you complain about 'mushy stuff', but this was egregious. I'd forgotten how movies in the previous century HAD to have 'mushy stuff', mandatory. There HAD to be a heterosexual coupling somewhere in there for it to be a Real movie and the further back you go the more cringy and awful the form that coupling would take. I have seen movies from decades prior to when this one was released where the female lead quite rightly called-out the male lead for his obnoxiousness, and how did he respond? Took this grown-ass woman and put her over his knee and spanked her in front of the rest of the main cast members who all treated this as Normal... and of course they became romantically entangled shortly after, because that's what women 'Need'. They need a 'Real Man' to show them 'their place'. They want that. They CRAVE that. So sayeth all the Men in the writing room. This movie? Main plot, solid. Romantic sub-plot, one of the worst I've seen, would've been a better movie without it... but, in that day and age that just wasn't gonna happen. On with the next one.

slimsycentaur37

27 comments and 6 likes? Such an odd ratio lmao

TigerMyth

You grew up in a different time with different locks. People used to lock their keys in the car all of the time because some crazy folks used to actually keep their keys in the car. I have zero mechanical ability but back in the day I could get the door open. That comment wasn't as racially motivated as it might look to someone today, plus he did ask the entire group and then focused on the MALE.

slimsycentaur37

I saw the night of passion between the two lead actors as just that, a night of excitement to their usually monotonous and boring lives. She clearly wasn't happy with her relationship as her boyfriend says she's blowing him off again or something like that. She takes depressing ass photos so she has no inspiration. He reads books all day. Of course the juice was flowing lmao you guys are so square

TigerMyth

If you like this type of political thriller you might add Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy to your long watch list. Oh.... you never noticed that the Hitman was the Priest from the Exorcist.

Lonnie Vannatter

Why does every movie that is made in the 60 to the 70s the music sounds like cheap porn movie

NBA FAN

How do we get in the discord?

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Because in the 60s and 70s that's what 'Peak movie music' sounded like. After the 60's and 70's the mainstream movies moved on, but the porn industry didn't because all that music was super-cheep now.

gak9319

Max Von Sydow was great in everything he appeared in. RIP🙂

gak9319

Tarantino and Scorsese make movies like this to this day. You have to actually pay attention and connect the dots🙂

gak9319

I would definitely watch all the James Bond movies with you. If you decide to watch them. Bit of a mixed bag, but every Bond has at least one iconic movie. Except for one😅

MRLBOYD

When you get in, make sure to tell my project manager that you are a patreon

Susan B

Had to renew my membership when I saw this movie in the lineup! Spying before the age of digital information was different. An aside for the other women in the group: Redford was at his most gorgeous in this film, imo, with his nerdy glasses.

Susan B

Your comments about the dumbing-down of entertainment is why you will love Shogun. It’s a series that makes the viewer think and wonder and look for clues to what’s really going on.