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Formal Stay Session 2 and 2.5 (Patreon)

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2025-02-14 19:00:07
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Things to note:

  • I use a leash in case he gets off the platform and I need to guide him back on

  • I use "yes" instead of a clicker, as clickers amp-up a lot of dogs and I'm looking for calm behavior.

  • When he starts to get up from the stay in the second session, I don't wait for him to fully get off the platform completely but instead step in and ask for the down immediately

  • Note that when he gets up, I don't reward for the down, but instead do a quick/easier version of what I was doing, and go back in and reward for that. Rewarding for getting back into position can inadvertently cause a "yo-yo" behavior where the dog gets out of the stay so they can earn an easy cookie for getting back into position.

  • In the second session you'll see me feeding in a way that encourages him to tip his hip (feeding by the hip) to promote calm stay behavior.

  • He has two additional points where he goes from a down to a sit. You'll see that I then adjust my training to go back to easier versions so he can be successful and note to myself that I pushed a bit too hard with distance. I got greedy! I'm relatively sure this is also the session where I started deciding Denver would benefit from a few more weeks of development and more active training before working on our stays again. Laura from the future is happy with that decision, and began working his stays more seriously after he reached 4 months or so with significantly more success. Sometimes letting them grow up a bit can fix a lot of problems with zero work on your part :)

Video: 11/14/24

Comments

Smokey Blue

I love those platforms, I wish i had the money for one

Smokey Blue

These notes in the description are super helpful, thank you!

Lisa-Marie Pohl

Thank you! I agree, the notes are helpful. They let you train with your focus on Denver, Modeling what to do without talking over yourself. They are great for me too, as I have a puppy right now.

DOGGY•U
>>164742965

Yes! I found pretty quickly that explaining while I train just didn't give Denver the best training/my full attention <3

DOGGY•U
>>164740697

They are definitely pricey. If you search online, there's lots of other inexpensive options. When I was younger I used an upturned silver beer bucket and put stair tread on the top. Worked great!

Killeen Ryan

I have a dumb question. I have trained a stay for like obedience training. I am struggling with a good “settle” stay. Like when we are in public. Whether I am sitting or at a store. He is getting better slowly. I work him in front of the laundromat when I do laundry. Since people walk in and out, cars, smells etc. it is helping. There is a bench I can sit on. Since bending over is painful and difficult. I feel like I am failing him on training due to my health. I need suggestions. Or maybe I am being too strict with his settle. Because he needs to indicate for my medical needs. I really worry about messing him up. Sorry

DOGGY•U
>>164777910

Not a dumb question at all. You're definitely going to want to check out the settling course when it comes out, but in general, I'd ask if you're also practicing at home during dinner? In places where you can sit and practice the settle like a library? I'd also look at options for being able to reinforce with dropped treats like bringing a snuffle mat so the treat can drop right at their feet without rolling. I'd also consider using a tube, if needed to deliver reinforcement. You can grab PVC pipe at most hardware stores and drop the treat into that so you don't need to bend. Hope that helps!

Victoria Krzyzanowski

One thing I've noticed about a lot of your stay/down videos is how similar they are to Karen Overall's relaxation protocol. Is that intentional? Do you ever work through that exact protocol with your dogs? I'm currently starting it with mine since she has severe anxiety and I don't want my next puppy to pick up on it. I was actually going to ask how to protect your puppy from "catching" anxiety in a Q&A but that's for another day. I just think it's cool how you're teaching a dog to stay using a modified relaxation protocol since you want them to be genuinely settled during downs and stays :)

DOGGY•U
>>165427770

While I do recommend the Karen Overall Protocol (if you search it on patreon you'll find the PDF as well as a verbal recording of it) I don't do it with my dogs, though I'm sure my own stays have been influenced by it. I've also been told my stay training is similar to those taught in the Academy - but I never went to the academy. Bottom line is, there's not a lot new under the sun. Effective training is effective training :) And yes, definitely, I have a lot to say about protecting new dogs from current dog's anxiety/behaviors, so I'd love to talk about it in next month's Q&A!