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The Bad Batch 1x03/1x04 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

I love those all too rare times when an episode with two storylines has a title that refers equally to both without seeming forced at all (the best I've seen, though the episode and indeed the whole show are nothing special themselves, is Breaking the Ice from Star Trek: Enterprise). So Replacements already has that going for it, and for a story that's mostly filler on the Batch's end it's a lot of fun and leads to a highly emotional payoff; loved the way your face lit up realizing what Wrecker was going to show Omega. Crosshair's story is overall more important both for him personally and the wider world-building, as we finally see just how quickly the Empire moved to replace the clones. And it has a quite effective way around the fact that we know Saw isn't going to get killed here, as everyone else in the group is fair game (basically the role Nacho served so well in Better Call Saul). But enough of that, we all know the main event of these two episodes. This was maybe the moment I was most looking forward to seeing your reaction to in the whole show, so it's nice that it comes so early (though keep in mind that as I say this, we still have half of Season 3 to go). I love how similar it was to Rex's return in Rebels, where we can see you struggling to keep your expectations down since it might just be someone else with the same outfit, and then the unmistakable voice of Ming-Na Wen hits and you completely lose it. The crew revealed months before the show's premiere that Fennec would be in it, in a pretty transparent attempt to get interest from people for whom the Batch themselves weren't a big enough selling point, but you can't argue with results. And I'm sure I'm far from the only one whose thought process at the news went "Well, that's ridiculous. She'd just be a little kid at this time...oh right, Ming-Na Wen is actually in her 50s." Seriously, there's zero difference between her as Fennec and in The Joy Luck Club 30 years ago. Quite a few fans had your same response of having no idea who to root for, and it helps that we see even back then she was more than just a simple bad guy, keeping her word even when things don't work out (not least because it leaves her with a valuable information source who's very motivated to keep helping her). I never did get very interested in the mystery of who hired her for this job since it seemed there weren't many options unless it was someone totally outside the existing story, but you'll see where that goes.

Thomas Corp

In terms of the heart getting ripped out, without confirming or denying, this was a shared fear of mine back when this originally broadcast. Yes, two solid episodes prior to your break. Well, on youtube, anyway. Tis unfortunate, but like you said, we still have currently airing new Bad Batch episodes, one’s tonight at two in the morning, so yes, we are still getting fed, as you described. Plus, your subsequent reactions on patreon will provide copious sustenance to tide me over whilst you take your more than well-deserved break, Jess, so no worries. The first episode highlights a dichotomy between fan response concerning the main arcs. By that I mean most fans tend to gravitate towards Crosshair’s arc. Understandably so as his arc, the tone and feel would fit right in with something like Andor, and I live for it. The Bad Batch’s primary arc at the moment is often accused of being “filler” by fans. Me, I note, “So it can be perceived as filler. Does that mean it’s objectively bad otherwise? No? Then who gives a shit?” And I love, Jess, you are not a fan who is dismissing their plots as filler. You are, as always, someone who really takes the time to dive into the characters, and it is so great. And as you note, it is great seeing how the dynamic is still evolving with the Batch and Omega. That’s getting me in the heart a little bit, Jess, you’re calling Omega a sweet, sweet soul. And as you observe, though Papa Hunter as you called him is understandably protective, Omega can’t stay innocent and uninitiated for long. And when the shit doth hiteth the fan...eth, Omega will be prepared. Lovely moment when Wrecker presents Omega with her own little nook, your reaction to that being equally lovely. You inquire about our feelings of the Kamino plotline. Oh, I love it. One, there’s plenty of Tarkin which is always a win. Two, it’s exploring a question mark that’s existed for a while. A question mark being answered by seeing Rampart pushing for the decommission of the clones. And as Nala Se notes, they are running out of use of the original DNA, thus they need to act to save their operations. I knew you would have a strong reaction to the second episode which contains, so far as I’m aware, the first chronological appearance of our dear Fennec Shand. When you recognized the distinctive voice of the lovely Ming-Na Wen, one, I adored that reaction, two, I quoted Fennec herself, by saying, “You have a keen ear.” You got the return of Rick Grimes, Michonne, and you got Fennec Shand all on the same day. Twas a grand day indeed for you, Jess! Similar to the Caleb appearance, Ming-Na is significantly older than Fennec is meant to be as this establishes that she was about the same age as Ming-Na when she first appeared as Fennec, and that Boba Fett is roughly around thirteen years her junior. But you’ve seen and heard Ming-Na. She’s barely aged since The Joy Luck Club as Ryan noted which was over thirty years ago now. Similarly, her voice is essentially the same, plus it’s just too wonderful to have Ming-Na playing a beloved character. The conflicted feelings you had are a mild case of the very difficult problem I generally always face. On the one hand, the investment and protective feelings for our hallowed heroes. And on the other hand, the overwhelming love and passion for my venerated villains. A conflict that often reaches fever pitch when my King, our dear beloved Palpy is in the mix. In this case, I say that the Batch plays second fiddle vis-à-vis my affections to Fennec. All your reactions to Fennec were glorious, Jess. Especially your reaction to when Wrecker sees Fennec and sees a woman, a, how do you, bounty hunter. Never does Wrecker expect that Fennec, for real, possesses the strength and skill... of a Cavalry. And indeed, she took him out with one hit. Likewise, I loved your reaction to Echo with the droids, which yes, I am of course familiar with your historic fondness of droids. Love the ending where Fennec does not harm her informant. As you noted, there is no need to burn a bridge that can still be used. And we see Fennec’s beyond completely justified confidence in her abilities to track down Omega. Because she knows that where it concerns the question of could Omega be found, it’s not a question. Omega, she could be found. Where people go, the thoughts they have, these are known to a fox as cunning and brilliant as our dear Fennec. Instincts. Who flees, who fights. It’s a question of price. The question of who hired her, as Ryan notes, isn’t a paramount concern, particularly when compared to the nervousness and dread you now possess of her being after our Bad Batch family. Talk about the comment you made about Tech’s often deadpan line delivery. Yes, that man has ice water in his veins, and I live. Thank you so much for this delightful reaction to The Bad Batch, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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The title does work for both plots. Like you said, lots of fun with a great emotional payoff. Good Better Call Saul comparison. Ming-Na’s voice is as distinctive as it is that once you hear it, all doubt is removed as it was for Jess, leading to her great reaction. When Fennec was announced to be in this show, I did the math quick, thinking, “Ok, so that means Fennec and Ming-Na are roughly the same age. Kind of figured that anyway.” Not our fault that despite being born only five years after my parents, she’s barely aged since The Joy Luck Club. Or if we’re going by her voice alone, I remember seeing Mulan in the theaters when I was seven, and her voice sounds exactly the same, albeit just the tiniest bit deeper. My love of Fennec, and by extension, Ming-Na, meant the Batch wasn’t getting rooted for that episode. It does help that like Boba, she has her morals and standards. Or like Jango Fett and Zam Wesell, they generally were honorable professionals who didn’t kill anyone they didn’t have to. Jango and Zam also once helped a Jedi save the entire galaxy, but that’s another story. I’m reminded of just how much great stuff was in this show this early on. I love it.

Ryan
>>132780366

There's a book series called Parker whose appeal is built entirely around how fun and satisfying it can be to watch a person who's incredibly good at their chosen profession, even if that profession is objectively morally repugnant. It's gotten a few film adaptations where he was played by the likes of Lee Marvin, Mel Gibson, and Jason Statham, though only that first one really captures the books' magic to me. Fennec's appearance here is also a rare case of the same actor appearing as both the live action and animated versions of a Star Wars character, which is aided by how Ming-Na Wen does have decent experience with voice acting (anyone else remember when she was made the voice of what was supposed to be the launch of a bunch of "animated actors" who could be put in a bunch of different stories?) I'm also very curious what her Disney+ profile icon is, since she has a few options.

Saltire le Hutt

So the Empire is being welcomed across the galaxy at this stage by most, which will allow Sidious, Tarkin, and here, Admiral Rampart's plans, already to start taking shape freely. A lot of the ground work for these plans were done during the Clone War, which enabled the senate to back the fall of the Republic and the establishment of the Empire; however having the populus be on board with this regime early on, helps Sidious and co, get their claws into everyone and everywhere. People are being hoodwinked just now, and by the time they see the evil of this regime, the Empire is firmly established. Rampart and Tarkin are getting to work quickly to make sure the clone programme becomes an irrelevance, as project Warmantle gets underway with establishing conscription troops join up with the Empire. They can't totally drop them at the moment though, as the clones are seen as heroes for bringing about the end of the war, and for taking out the 'treasonous' Jedi. Its a horrific scene with Crosshair's squad taking down some of Saw's people. The inhibitor chip does certainly change a clone's behaviour, and Crosshair is more than willing to execute his orders to the letter to be a loyal imperial. The rest of the squad sees what being that entails. Crosshair is the most fascinating of the squad, even if he isn't exactly likeable; and the episodes with him tend to be the best. Its such a sweet scene at the end, with that big softy Wrecker, making a little room for Omega. They are becoming a family, whilst Crosshair is on his own under the cold harsh unforgiving regime of the Empire. The burgeoning Empire does need to cut costs however, as the cost of the Clone War almost bankrupted the galaxy as we saw during TCW. Its also a reason how TIE's get built later without shields, to cut costs. They will be spending a vast majority of their funds on the Death Star, and other nefarious projects as the Empire becomes established fully. Whilst we have seen all sorts of periods now pre-Empire, during it, post-Empire and beyond; this show has a chance to partially tell the story of how the Empire becomes all encompassing and horrific, and what it will mean for the clones, our crew, and the rest. Onto 1x4 : Love Fennec Shand's leitmotif from the composer. He does one with Crosshair too, to show how he's become twisted by the intensity of his inhibitor chip. Poor Echo, now being recognised more as a droid than a person! He's still strong in spirit though, they didn't take that away from him when he was modified by the Separatists. Ah Omega, she has much to learn running off like that still, chasing (Star Wars Resistance) space dogs and trusting strangers. She is getting herself in a bit of trouble just now with her curiosity, but with the crew's guidance she might settle down and become a key part of their team. The Batchers get taught a bit of a lesson from Fennec here; we have to remember, they are trained to deal with droids, so dealing with bounty hunters as well as adapting to this new life, is something new for them. The little droid with the funny little legs and arms, is I think taken from Robby The Robot from a lot of old sci-fi series and films from the 50's and 60's, and a similar droid (B-9) from Lost In Space. Shand killing three people in her quest to get Omega, she isn't done with them.

Thomas Corp
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A man such as the Emperor, Tarkin too, would of course lay a lot of groundwork during the Clone Wars (Far back as Naboo in the Emperor’s case) for the actions being taken here. The manner in which the galaxy is allowing liberty to die with thunderous applause, further proof of how beautifully old Sheev played everything. Fascinating plotlines of seeing Tarkin and Rampart with the Kaminoans. Likewise, it is horrifying and intriguing seeing Crosshair’s plotline. Good moment of Wrecker being a great big lump of sugar. There are the cost-cutting/diverting funds to the Death Star that results in the clones being discarded. I keep maintaining that there is some pragmatism in that the clones were programmed to have complete obedience to the Republic. The Empire is a separate beast, and as Tarkin is seeing, the clones are exhibiting unpredictability that won’t do for the Empire, thus setting aside Tarkin’s own personal feelings for the clones, he does have a somewhat valid reason for his actions, callous and cruel though they are. Plus, Nala Se notes Jango’s DNA is reaching its limits, so they can’t easily whip up a new batch of clones blindly loyal to the Empire. The Kiners, like John Williams, know how to use a damn good leitmotif. I remember you mentioned about the dogs, my first thought was, “The light averse creatures lurking in the darkness?” Seeing you say it’s the critter that Omega chased, had me go, “Ah.” Love seeing Fennec show how badass she is. Yeah, I can see Robby in the gonk droid.