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Oppenheimer Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-04-24 17:00:05
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Oppenheimer (2023) - Sesskasays

Download Edit (4.7 GB) Edited Reaction Alongside the regular multi-part full, you now have the option of watching an edited version of the full movie reaction with 10-15mins of Picture-in-Picture. You can watch this edit

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Ryan

It'll probably take me a couple days to get through this one, so for now I'll just note that you did get Cillian's name right, plus this little sketch I came up with when it first came out: "There's a new Christopher Nolan movie with Cillian Murphy, Gary Oldman, and David Dasmalchian." "Batman?" "No, it's about a scientist." "Batman's a scientist." "It's not Batman!"

Thomas Corp

Start by addressing the shirt, sorry that you couldn’t wear it for a Downton Abbey movie reaction, though I hope you enjoy the movie in your own time. And I agree with the Dowager Countess by the way. Now to the film. To my regret, I missed this in theaters, but I caught it at home on blu-ray, beginning of February right after I watched Barbie. I saw this again this month to prepare for your reaction, and I’ll catch Barbie again for the May reaction. I still need to give some thought to my top ten favorite films of 2023, though I’m quite sure that Oppenheimer would likely be in that. My two favorites of 2023 are Killers of the Flower Moon and The Holdovers, resulting in my pushing for those the most at the Oscars this year, the latter film especially for best actor. That said, seeing this film, then its Oscar dominance up to and including its win for best picture, Cillian Murphy (you said it right, by the way, with the hard c, same as my last name) and his Oscar winning performance, I have the thought, “Yeah, can’t really argue that one.” I would also still have to give more thought to where this ranks in Christopher Nolan’s filmography. My brother and sister in-law told me they saw this around the end of last month/the beginning of the month, and both enjoyed it. From the sound of it, my brother enjoyed the film more than I; he attributed his especially liking it as being a self-described physics geek. Which makes sense as between the two of us, my brother took after Mom more in terms of love and passion for science. The recent solar eclipse proves that one most conclusively. Absurdly stacked cast, among them, by the way, yes, Jess, that was Gustaf Skarsgård, your dear beloved Floki, as Hans Bethe. Emily Blunt as Kitty was a standout, leading to a long overdue Oscar nomination for her strong work here. When I heard Emily got nominated, I said, “Oh, it’s about goddamn time.” I too loved her scenes in the hearing, and her line, “You don’t get to commit the sin, then have us all feel sorry for you that it had consequences.” which is such a good goddamn line; one I had to write down. The other acting nomination and subsequent win being Robert Downey Jr as Strauss, which my brother and I have somewhat mixed feelings about, strong performance though it is. By that I mean we don’t mind the nomination, we likewise don’t contest the win. The awards sweep that he had, however, set the bar a bit too high for us, I guess. That and we both kept likening the structure of his plotline to that of F. Murray Abraham as Antonio Salieri in Amadeus, which comparing most anything to Murray’s performance in that film is massively, wildly unfair. I did joke/somewhat seriously note that the Oscar win was perhaps an apology to Robert for his not winning for Tropic Thunder, though he was up against Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doubt who also lost as that was the year of Heath Ledger as the Joker, so... Concerning the revelation of Strauss and his nefarious schemes all because he was a Bitter Betty as you put it, I suspect you are meant to make an educated surmise about that as you did. Assuming one isn’t familiar with the real-life man. Which brings me to my one thought when it became certain that you would be reacting to this: I was curious how much you knew of the subject matter going into this. There were people at work who were somewhat unaware of what the film was about and inquired about it to me. The short answer I gave was to draw attention to the scene in The Hunt for Red October. The scene where Ramius discusses the book which belonged to his wife which he keeps for sentimental value. The book containing the passage from Revelation written, along with the famous quotation attributed to Oppenheimer which the political officer asks about, which Ramius explains, “It is an ancient Hindu text, quoted by an American. He invented the atomic bomb, and he was later accused of being a communist.” Small sidenote, when it comes to the famous quotation, my brother says he has stuck in his head, Leonard Nimoy reciting the famous quotation in Civilization IV. Of course, as you noted at the beginning of the film, yes, we must be careful not to spoil historical events which transpired in the forties, of which we are now watching a film about said historical events eight decades hence.

Thomas Corp

I did figure you would appreciate the greater character focus, rather than focusing on the bomb. I know the film does receive some criticism for that. I am sympathetic to that. I understand the criticism, whilst noting that’s not the film that we got, so I share your thoughts on that. You mentioned your dad would likely have preferred greater historical focus, which does make sense given as I recall you said in your Red October reaction that your dad is a big Tom Clancy fan, which would suggest having something of a passion for history, especially military in nature. Like I said, my brother was far more invested in the science aspects, whereas I gravitated toward the political side of things. Mom has yet to see this, though I’m pretty fucking positive she’d be more greatly invested in the science. And this is a strength of the film: there’s multiple aspects that can be enjoyed by all. You made excellent observations about the rising tension even though we all know they’ll be successful. It is fascinating exploring, as you said, the psychological aspects of scientists and their desire to create and innovate, even something that has wrought such destruction. Likewise, strong thoughts you expressed about the shifting color schemes of the film. I also loved how you, I agree as I said, loved the political side of this. Particularly great is the presentation of how it was known that Oppenheimer had Communist ties, however tangential, when he was brought onto the project, yet they still brought him on anyway. Then later he is essentially crucified when the political landscape of America shifts, and his enemies use those ties against him. And equally fascinating that Oppenheimer lets himself be crucified out of guilt. I also did suspect, how you discussed the personal feelings, in that the jarring nature of the death and destruction being embraced with the thunderous applause that haunted Oppenheimer, that it would resonate with you some. I loved your reactions to the dynamic between Oppenheimer and Groves, especially that moment where Groves is made aware of the near zero remote possibility. My brother sides more with Oppenheimer in a “This is scientific theory, asshole.” type of way. Which you see Groves does silently concede that, whilst expressing, “ZERO, would be nice.” which is the thought you and I would have in that case. Strong reaction to the successful test, and an equally strong reaction to the cameo of Gary Oldman as Truman. I adored your reaction to Hill destroying Strauss. Subsequently, I so adored your reactions to Alden Ehrenreich as the unnamed aide who was so done with Strauss. Especially when he raises the question of did it ever cross Strauss’s mind that the conversation between Oppenheimer and Einstien had nothing to do with Strauss. Leading to that discussion, another fantastic moment in your reaction. That thought of did they destroy the world. I too believe they did. It is like the line Ray Stevenson had as Baylan in Ahsoka, “I couldn’t make sense of it at the time. As you get older, look at history, you realize it’s all inevitable.” And indeed, you look at human history, see the roots of the flat circle that it is. And with World War II, I don’t think the world has ever fully recovered from that, nor has it fully healed from the wounds wrought then. A haunting thought to end the film on. Another small note on the reaction: You asked about Jean Tatlock: Concerning her fate, historical records have ruled her death as a suicide, though there is the existence of rumors and theories that she was, in fact, assassinated. Ergo, it’s nicely ambiguous about the imagery in the film of Jean being held underwater in that there is the question of is the film suggesting that she was assassinated or is it Oppenheimer’s guilt planting the image in his mind. If it is the latter, it’s a realistic and relatable feeling; one I’ve experienced myself, albeit not to quite as severe a degree. This was a reaction that whilst not terribly animated, it was still glorious as I see in your eyes being taken with the film. And it culminated in the fantastic observations you had. You have a very sharp and keen mind, Jess. I do so adore discussing and sharing these types of stories with you. So, I will say thank you for the tremendously lovely reaction, Jess. I hope your break is going well. Take care.

Thomas Corp
>>136103611

I hope you enjoy the full reaction when you see the whole thing. That’s a good bit you came up with by the way. I love the one joke that since Gary Oldman won the Oscar for portraying Churchill, and pops up here as Truman, we should have a film of him playing the aforementioned historical figures and play Stalin to dramatize the Potsdam Conference. I’d be down for that, especially if done in the vein of Dr. Strangelove, with Armando Iannucci as my ideal pick for writer/director of such a hypothetical film. Speaking of David Dastmalchian, I do need to see his new film Late Night with the Devil, which though perhaps presumptuous of me to say at this time, I could see that film ultimately making my top ten favorite films of this year. Even if not, it looks like a film that would be right up my alley; certainly, my cup of tea.

Ryan
>>136103611

I've now seen an hour, and laughed out loud at her literally doing the Rick Dalton meme at Robert Downey Jr.

Ryan
>>136122044

I've been going to the movies since I was five years old in 1989 (seeing The Little Mermaid as my first theater experience), and I now name 2023 as the best single movie year I've ever experienced. Maybe some other years have particular movies I think are better, but for sheer consistent quality across all twelve months I've never seen anything else like it. I actually made a whole Twitter thread about it, not even including stuff like Poor Things and The Holdovers that I've seen since. It'll be hard later on to believe that in just one year we got: M3GAN, Quantumania, Cocaine Bear, We Have A Ghost, Creed 3, Scream 6, 65, John Wick 4, D&D: Honor Among Thieves, Tetris, Super Mario Bros., Air, Renfield, Polite Society, Sisu, Blackberry, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, The Little Mermaid live action, Across the Spider-Verse, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, Elemental, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Nimona, Joy Ride, Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part 1, Barbie, Oppenheimer, TMNT: Mutant Mayhem, The Last Voyage of the Demeter, Blue Beetle, A Haunting in Venice, Dumb Money, Saw X, The Caine Mutiny Court Martial, The Burial, Killers of the Flower Moon, The Marvels, Wish, Silent Night, and capped off with a movie I truly believe belongs on the short list of the greatest of all time, Godzilla Minus One.

Thomas Corp
>>136122044

Yeah, though I think I got taken to some movies before, my earliest memories of cinema going experiences are in 1995 when I was four. I have recollections of seeing Pocahontas, which my mom lists that as her favorite animated Disney film, in theaters, with Toy Story being my earliest vivid memory of seeing a film in theater. Last year was pretty goddamn solid year for film. In my lifetime, I have a particular fondness for 2012, though last year, like you said, had strong consistency with solid and great films throughout.

Ryan
>>136122062

The one historical bit that I do wish hadn't been done is John Kennedy being teased like, as many people naturally noted, the Joker at the end of Batman Begins. It just comes off as silly how the movie acts like he was some obscure guy no one ever heard of until he suddenly became President, which I had doubts about even with as little as I knew on my first viewing. Then I found out that on top of coming from a very famous family, he'd served with distinction in World War II, won a Pulitzer for his catalog of people who went against their party majority to achieve great things Profiles in Courage, and had already been a Senator for a decade when the scene is set, even coming close to becoming the Democrat VP nominee in the previous election.

Thomas Corp
>>136122062

Yeah, setting aside JFK’s own personal accomplishments, considering his family alone and the pull they had, he’d be well known for that if nothing else. That is one mild knock against the film, yes. You say it felt like the Joker card in Batman Begins. I got more of a vibe of it being similar to in The Dark Knight Rises where they shoehorned in Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character having the first name, Robin.

Lucas

Brilliant reaction to an incredible film. Hope you and your editor have a nice well deserved break!

Ryan

Well, I was able to find the time to finish quicker than I thought, and as much as I already loved this movie so much, this actually opened up some more of what makes it so great. It's especially nice that this was clearly recorded before the Oscars so you didn't have any expectations from that hanging over it. It was especially surprising to see Cillian Murphy get so much awards attention, because it's really not the kind of "showy" role that typically gets it, but it's entirely deserved. This may seem like a weird comparison, but I always think of the scene in The Birdcage where Robin Williams pretends to indulge a backup dancer's desire for the spotlight by telling him to do a bunch of different dances, then ends with "But you keep it all inside." Murphy here is that joke made a true performance, all the roiling emotion made clear even as he physically isn't doing that much. I've slowly become a big fan of Emily Blunt, and at the ceremony it was noted that her performance refusing to shake Teller's hand alone would deserve the nomination. Speaking of, I haven't seen much talk since the film came out of Bennie Safdie, who had the incredibly tricky job of playing the main inspiration for Dr. Strangelove without inappropriately reminding us of that classic character whenever he opens his mouth, and pulled it off beautifully. This wasn't quite Nolan's first attempt at a biopic, as he finished a script about Howard Hughes before Scorsese beat him to it, and after seeing this film I'm very curious to read it. Since they start of his career he's loved playing around with a story's chronology, which was especially risky here given the vast amount of characters and possibly oblique science talk which could get people lost even if they have a reasonable knowledge of the real Oppenheimer's story. But it's all put together beautifully, in a perfect logical progression that lets us have a decent idea what's going on even if we don't have all the pertinent details so we don't mind waiting for them. I'm impressed you picked up on the reasoning behind the switch between color and black and white in the middle of your first viewing, which Nolan further described as the color being Oppenheimer's subjective viewpoint and memories while the black and white is just the pure facts. Every time I've rewatched it I've picked up on something new about how this works. I'm so happy it got the success that it did, and I can't wait to see what he has in store next after I recently finally checked out Following so I've now seen all his films. After I was born in the heyday of Spielberg, Scorsese, and Ridley Scott, getting to see a similar master come into being in my own time has been incredible to witness, and I feel pretty comfortable calling Oppenheimer his masterpiece.

Ryan

I also should point out that Jack Quaid's character Richard Feynman very much deserves his own movie. The bongo-playing we see here is just barely scratching the surface of what a weird guy he was, and the way none of it stopped him from also being a super brilliant physicist is the kind of thing that would be called impossible to believe if a fictional character did it. Hell, have Quaid back, I'm sure he could handle it.

Thomas Corp
>>136221506

Good to see you had the time to watch and enjoy. I also caught it before the Oscar ceremony, though I was aware of the buzz that this film was the projected frontrunner to win in almost every category it was nominated for. Cillian Murphy’s performance is quite atypical of the showier awards roles. That’s actually a perfect comparison you made to that side-splitting scene from The Birdcage, of course that entire movie is side-splitting, Nathan Lane is especially wonderful in that. But, yeah, perfect comparison. Much though I was pushing more for Paul Giamatti to win the Oscar for The Holdovers, like I mentioned, you see the work Cillian did here, and the thought is, “Yeah, I really can’t argue that one.” I’m a big fan of Emily myself, and I don’t disagree with the remark made of her nomination was a lock from the look she gave Teller whilst refusing to shake his hand; that was a look that could melt steel. Good point on Bennie Safdie showcasing how Teller was the inspiration for Dr. Strangelove without sliding into caricature and bringing to mind the character itself. I did know that Nolan wanted to do a Hughes picture before Scorsese beat him to it. Much though I do quite like The Aviator despite it being in my lower half of ranking his films, I too would be curious about how Nolan would have tackled that. The script for that would be an interesting read. I think Nolan’s most ambitious case of playing around with a story’s chronology as you put it, was The Prestige with most of the story being told through diaries within diaries. Here, yeah, bold and risky to play with the chronology, yet it runs very smoothly. I loved how Jess picked up on the shifting color schemes and their meanings. This is a film that you can watch a couple of times and pick up on some new things. I too look forward to Nolan’s future efforts, though I do still need to see Tenet. Still need to figure out where I would rank Oppenheimer in his overall filmography, though I know my brother and I are pretty settled on Interstellar and The Prestige as our favorites of his work. You say you’d view Oppenheimer as Nolan’s masterpiece, objectively speaking, I wouldn’t contest that, even if it may not be my favorite of his filmography. It was quite incredible.

Thomas Corp
>>136222793

Considering how Jack Quaid is proving himself to be a pretty damn good actor, combined with Feynman and his life has enough material to make a movie by itself, I wouldn’t say no to Jack reprising the role in a hypothetical separate biopic. One worry would be people finding his story too unrealistic, though I think you could offset that some by having a “Based on a true story” text to highlight the absurdity by noting something like “Pretty much all of this happened! Seriously, we barely made anything up!” or something like that. That’s something that helped with Big Eyes when my dad and I saw that; before seeing it, I heard Tim Burton say that certain aspects of it had to be toned down out of fear that people would find it too implausible/unrealistic. Thus, Dad and I were amused wondering just how outlandish some of it really was if the film presented a watered down version of events. By the way, I’ve been watching Ripley. I’ve presently finished the first three episodes. It’s quite excellent. I’d be curious to hear opinions from viewers not familiar with the character Tom Ripley, previous adaptations that feature the character, or just the source material in general.

Ryan
>>136221506

I saw The Holdovers a week before the ceremony and immediately knew that Emily wasn't getting the Oscar, but she's still got plenty of time for it. I also recently found out that she's one of a surprising number of actors like James Earl Jones, Samuel L. Jackson, and Rowan Atkinson who had a bad stutter as a child, only to make incredible use of their voice later on. She in particular overcame it thanks to a teacher who got her into doing school plays, which makes her role as Mary Poppins very much feel like paying that forward.

Ryan
>>136222793

I can say without exaggerating that the show has opened up a whole new method of storytelling I'd never considered before. It wants to get you into the head of an objectively despicable person as much as possible, and does it by making you FEEL how fucking annoying it would be to have to constantly cover your tracks and be on the lookout for things that could expose you. Blowing all that screentime on him just going up and down the stairs in the first episode, and then a whole 20 minute silent quasi-slapstick scene of him erasing the evidence of Dickie's murder, is like nothing I've seen a storyteller do before, at least deliberately, and somehow it works perfectly.

Thomas Corp
>>136221506

Yeah, seeing The Holdovers, you knew Emily wasn’t going to win for this. I was fine with that; I was just happy she finally got nominated, and yeah, Da’Vine Joy Randolph’s win is more than well deserved. That’s always an amazing thing how acting and theatre and supportive teachers can help overcome a bad stutter, and the person goes on to showcase such a fantastic voice in many great roles.

Thomas Corp
>>136222793

It’s been doing an excellent job of getting into the head of someone like Tom Ripley. Oh yeah, those sequences were outstanding in having you share the feelings that Tom goes through, especially in that big dialogue free sequence.

Josef Schiltz
>>136122044

My first visit to the cinema was to see a matinee showing of Fantastic Voyage with Raquel Welch. That must have been somewhere around 1971 because I would have been around nine - approaching ten - at the time.

AliBabaGhanouj

Have to wait until werk is done for the day to watch this, but in the meantime, lettuce never drop another one no matter the reason.

AliBabaGhanouj

I forgot to get excited at first about your catching up with Floki. I think it started when Matt Damon came into the picture. Then I was waiting for the moment when you recognized Floki. I had much the same reaction because I had no idea that Oppenheimer was Skarsgårded. Great reactions to Young Han's getting pissy with RDJ and for Kitty's (not a) courtroom scene!