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Tales of the Empire 1x01-1x03 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Saltire

Ooh, wasn't expecting Tales Of The Empire - a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! ;)

Ryan
>>138159634

We're all just racing to use that line every time, aren't we?

Ryan

Quite a relief to have these episodes split in order between the two stories, rather than the weird mix and matching from Tales of the Jedi. And it certainly starts with a bang, as the crew thankfully seems to have figured anyone watching this in the first place would already be well aware of everything involving Dathomir and they could just dive right into the massacre. Grievous is at probably the scariest he's ever been, reminiscent of Vader's hallway massacre in Rogue One, and if anything stood a chance of getting us to sympathize with Morgan after everything we've seen her do, it's here. But at the same time, the episode also knows not to go too far with that and portray her as some innocent soul, where the best comparison I can make is the backstory given to Kreese in Cobra Kai, leaving us with the feeling "We can mourn the person she could have been, but the one she's become has no possible redemption and only deserves to be put down." Episode 2 largely serves to clear up a lingering plot hole, as it always felt odd that Morgan was portrayed as this hugely important partner of Thrawn's when she was never once mentioned in Rebels (I'm sure I'm not the only one who was kind of hoping it would turn out Thrawn didn't even know her name and she'd have to face that she was always just a pawn to him). I imagine Lars recorded this during a filming lull on Ahsoka, and he's great as ever, even given a bit more depth than before as it's made clear he's using the Empire just as much as he does anyone else and has no illusions about its flaws. And that reaction to just his voice was the big highlight of these. Episode 3 leans hard into an aspect of Disney Star Wars that's always been pretty controversial, but I adore: that the New Republic are a bunch of idiots who are the very embodiment of why the word "liberal" became an insult. I've seen some people complaining about how stupid it was to expect Morgan to surrender peacefully, and if you haven't caught on by now that this is a deliberate storytelling choice, I can't help you. And for as much as this whole story suffers a bit from us always knowing exactly where it's going right through to Morgan's death (and it does feel pretty weird that they're only getting around to giving us this backstory after it doesn't really matter anymore), the reveal that Bo-Katan sent Ahsoka to fight her is a lovely little surprise and adds some subtext to her also sending Din there. Though I do have to wonder if Katee had a reaction like "Seriously, this is all you want me for?" Without any spoilers, I'll also note that I easily consider this the lesser half of the series. So you have that to look forward to.

Saltire
>>138159634

I had to get it in before Thomas! :P Look forward to seeing what you guys say on this later when I get around to watching.

Thomas Corp

As I said on youtube, Jess, a delight it is to share this series with you. I greatly enjoyed it when I stayed up all night to catch it as it dropped, before I had to get up in an hour or two to get ready for work that Saturday morning. I am pleased that you were onboard with diving more into the character of Morgan Elsbeth, and with that, more of Diana Lee Inosanto putting in marvelous work. The fall of Dathomir from Morgan’s perspective is nightmarish, especially when we have your not so beloved General Grievous being the most terrifying that he’s been in two decades. I loved both your dissatisfaction at seeing Grievous again, and on the flip side, it was something witnessing the historic moment where you gave Grievous his due. Certainly, it was nice to again hear Matthew Wood have a day as Grievous. Yes, the first episode greatly showcases how the darker and uglier taint of human emotions such as anger, hate, grief, just consume and fester, well shown visually in that scene of Morgan making the fist. Speaking of said scene, it does seem a consensus view from the fandom that everyone is preternaturally fixated on that shot of Morgan’s fist in the dirt. That was some really fucking good looking dirt, so I can’t contest the thought. A highlight seeing the light/pacifistic clan. It makes sense. Powerful dark, powerful light. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. I love how you, as is your tradition, Jess, viewed a middle ground approach to Morgan’s perspective and the matriarch of this Light clan, who yes, that lady didn’t play at the end. And Morgan’s concern wasn’t entirely unfounded given how Darth Sidious and Count Dooku were being quite biblical in their eradication of Dathomir, which of course results in Morgan’s fall. The second episode is interesting to learn Morgan was more responsible for the Defenders, though I suspect Thrawn had his own hand in improving those designs. Bringing us to your question of calling him Thrawney-Thrawney, I suspect he might derive intellectual bemusement from such a name bestowed upon him, and he’d approve, Jess. I became most excited to have more of Xander Berkeley as dear Captain Gilad Pellaeon, which tells me we are committed to having plenty of Xander as Pellaeon, and I’m here for it. This also makes Air Force One a bit funnier in a specific way. It was a jolt to see Rukh, with him more Warwick Davis. I jumped, yelled, “Rukh!” so to see you have the gasp of recognition as well was lovely. A great touch to sell how Morgan is badass enough to stand on an even level against Rukh. Now to the man, the myth, the legend, Thrawn. Oh, I SO ADORED, Jess, your magnificent reaction upon hearing Lars Mikkelsen kill it as Thrawn. I was giddy myself. How a voice so cold and calculating can incite such warmth and joy within a man’s bitter and blackened heart. It’s most unnatural. Again, those old familiar pipes of the organ sending joy to my heart as well. Lars and Diana sold well their scene, and when she spoke of strength leading to Thrawn’s acceptance of her offer, I said, “Ah, yes, that strength. That strength, which will provide you with power. That power, which will grant you victory. And through that victory, your chains will be broken. VERY well done, my dear Morgan.” The third episode was lovely to jump to prior to the events of that episode of The Mandalorian. I didn’t catch Morgan’s attack dog, Johnny Ringo, so he must still be with Curly Bill and the Clanton gang, and she presumably brought him in when Ahsoka showed up. Or we just simply didn’t see him. Another strong showcase of the New Republic’s failings, your own observations being wonderful. Horrifically beautiful seeing Morgan exert her might. And yet, we see Wing is yet another one of those lone candles, who will make the difference and your reaction to that scene was most touching. I was mildly thrown by hearing Bo-Katan, I said, “Wait, wh...Oh. Right, she was the one who pointed Mando to Corvus to seek Ahsoka, that makes sense.” And now we conclude the first half of sharing this series with each other, makes me happy, Jess. Sharing this with you: a Star Wars show thoroughly diving into the depths of darkness and villainy such as the Empire. It is glorious, yes? I so thank you for the wonderful reaction, Jess, I so adored it.

Thomas Corp
>>138165378

It was weird that they had the Ahsoka prologue, then Count Dooku’s arc, which is still my favorite of both these shows by the way, then they resumed the Ahsoka arc. So, yes, nice that this series was neatly divided. Though not quite to the level that he was in Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars, likely due to the difference between his style and Filoni’s style, yeah, Grievous hasn’t been at this level of terror since comics circa 2006. The episode does the nice balance of providing sympathy and empathy for Morgan without forgetting that she is quite the villain. You bring up John Kreese. I always go back to the line from Will Graham about Francis Dolarhyde, “My heart bleeds for him, as a child. Someone took a kid and manufactured a monster. At the same time, as an adult, he’s irredeemable. He butchers whole families to pursue trivial fantasies... As an adult, someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks... Do you think that’s a contradiction, Jack? Does this kind of understanding make you uncomfortable?” I do recall the speculation that Thrawn would have a “Who is this again?” type of reaction upon he and Morgan finally sharing scenes in Ahsoka. Looking back on their interactions in that show with this series in mind, he seemed more annoyed with her indicating dissatisfaction that she seemed to have lost a step or two. Massive credit to Lars, who, like you note, they probably pulled him aside whilst making Ahsoka to record. Hopefully whilst he was in full regalia just for the image alone of him recording lines as Thrawn whilst looking like Thrawn. I wouldn’t go so far as to say “adore” in terms of the New Republic plotlines, but it is certainly most narratively intriguing and satisfying. Yes, it does show the dangers of liberalism in its extreme form, the absolutes. Like was said in The Hunger Games, “A little hope is effective. A lot of hope is dangerous. A spark is fine, so long as it is contained.” The New Republic is too concerned with favoring peace and non-violence above all other options. The logic I understand given the exhaustion, trauma, and wounds of the Clone Wars, the rise of the Galactic Empire, and that subsequent war, it’s easier to just hope and say that peace and non-violence will save the day more often than not. Like James Gandolfini said in In the Loop, “This is the problem with civilians wanting to go to war. Once you’ve been there, once you’ve seen it, you never want to go again unless you absolutely fucking have to... It’s like France.” The problem is there are those like Xiono that shun pragmatism and more than justified concern that danger is still on the horizon. In terms of Katee’s reaction to how small amount of dialogue she had, I would say, “The Angry Bird guys got Ian McDiarmid for a humorous promo, did they not?” As to the weirdness of getting the backstory even though we already know the ultimate fate and death, well that’s part and parcel to most all of Star Wars since The Phantom Menace twenty-five years ago, or it works well in something like Better Call Saul. First half of this show versus the second half, I liked them both about evenly, though, yes, there is great anticipation to see what Jess says about the second half.

Ryan
>>138171448

Always great to see a nod to Tombstone, and I always thought Michael Beihn was such a trooper for his art, putting what's clearly a lot of work into being able to do all those gun tricks, just so he can be upstaged by Val Kilmer with a tin cup. How he didn't become an Arnold-level action superstar after both Terminator and Aliens I have no idea.

YodatheHobbit

To me she caused both fires in the episodes final shots. She was taught hate by Grievous, and that hate consumed both of her worlds. We know that Grievous was only there for the Nightsisters, by order of Dooku, and likely had no clue the mountain clan even existed, or a reason to care.

Thomas Corp
>>138209064

The trauma from the cleansing fire that Grievous wrought, leading to Morgan causing the fire at the first episode’s end, paralleled by the fire at the third episode’s end. A vicious cycle that repeats again, and again, and again. I suspect that even Darth Sidious was unaware of the existence of the Mountain Clan what with their being drenched in the Light, which he can longer see or feel. Count Dooku might have had a bead on them, and even then, it would have been a weak bead at that. So, it probably wasn’t a major presence to him, hence no reason to even mention it to Grievous. In which case, as you say, Morgan brought the death and destruction to the Mountain Clan.

Saltire

I'm glad we got these shorts to flesh out Morgan Elsbeth's character more, and to see why she dedicates herself to the ideals of the Empire and Thrawn. Yes the droids came to wipe out the Nightsisters after Mother Talzin messing with Dooku after all that happened with Ventress; but yes the Mountain Clan didn't know that, so its understandable that some of the younger members were fearful. I suppose they are also curious about Elsbeth being from that other clan so are more ready to listen to her warnings that the droids could also come for them. I can understand entirely why Elsbeth wants revenge, but she had a chance to see things in another way from what the Mountain Clan Mother said and did; but, even after seeing what her actions brought, she wasn't ready to listen and instead went down this destructive path. Violence begets violence. Its true in real life as it is in Star Wars, which at its best should be taken as an entertaining way to teach kids - and some adults! - life lessons. Its why Yoda can't beat Sidious in Revenge Of The Sith; going head on was the wrong way. Luke trying to bring his father back to the light instead of trying to kill him and Sidious is another way to bring around the downfall of all this, and Anakin eventually does through love for his son. We've seen what happened to Maul (also from Dathomir and Mother Talzin's son) by living his whole life filled with hate and revenge. This will happen to Elsbeth. On a side note, its good seeing Grievous again. I kind of love him, even when he's cackling away (and running away!). Without the shackle of Lucas wanting him to be a more comic villain, Filoni here gave the fans more of what he should have been; truly threatening and formidable. Also the animation is indeed fantastic. I know you Jess speak about the dirt in Morgan's hand looking realistic, but I also loved the way the tears ran down her face. Season 3 of Bad Batch had an upgrade, and it looks to be in full effect here, as even the scanning of the models in the intro, have been touched up. Gorgeous. 1x2 : I've only seen these episodes once before, but this episode in particular I found more thrilling on second watch with you Jess, seeing Thrawn seek out Elsbeth and begin their relationship. As said by Ryan and Thomas, we never knew that the TIE Defender was a concept by Elsbeth, though Ahsoka does mention in her Mandalorian episode that Elsbeth built fleets for the Empire, so we see the background of some of that here, and the devastation it will cause this village and Corvus as those fleets start getting built. I love how this episode ties in Rebels, Mando and Ahsoka seeing Rukh (and Hera definitely held her own against him judging by this fight!), Thrawn, Palleon, Corvus and the Defender. Its all very satisfying seeing it all come together. The dulcet tones of Lars Mikkelsen as Thrawn, is a feast on the ears. What a voice. The Mikkelsen's are too damn cool! I like how his design here more reflects Lars appearance than he was in Rebels, and we also hear just what he thinks of the Empire, what it currently is with its power yet weakness, and what he thinks it should be. All very interesting stuff as we push forward in the Mando timeline with him back. I wonder if we'll ever delve into the reasons for himself signing up with them, as the earlier novels suggest that its for a very good reason and why he might be an anti-hero. There is a similiarity too between Elsbeth and Thrawn here, that they both try to perfect every part of themselves physically and mentally. Such that when the time is right, they will be ready to challenge anything that comes between them and their goals. 1x3 : While the New Republic is obviously better than the Empire, the naivety bordering on ignorance of the threat that is still out there, is frustrating though realistic. They dismantle their fleets when the Empire has not yet been fully extinguished, and its sparks like here with Elsbeth and Thrawn, and later with the First Order lot, that will cause a lot of devastation to come. Senators like Xiono are fools, but will be what bog down Mon Mothma's government, undermining her, just like Palpatine did all those years ago with Chancellor Valorum and the Republic. A message offering membership for Corvus should have been sent in first. Yes Morgan would have ignored it, and the people wouldn't be any wiser. However they could have gone about it another way to try to free these people and it would have avoided this; though there is always hope when the distress call gets answered and Wing finds his courage. I just found out that the city here on Corvus, is called Calodan. As if Star Wars doesn't rip off Dune enough, seeing that the home planet of House Atreides, is Caladan!! :D Anyway Elsbeth is now "burned" into her plan fully, and will stop at nothing to bring about the return of Thrawn to rebuild this Empire in the way she hoped "to save the Galaxy". And she'll die alone in another galaxy not knowing if her path was all worth it. I wonder why the distress call was picked up by Bo-Katan? Is Corvus in the Mandalorian Sector perhaps? Anyway that furthers the link from the Mando series and solidifies her connection with Ahsoka (and I love hearing a few brief notes of Ahsoka's Theme here), who will free these worlds from Morgan's tyrannical rule - though perhaps may doom the galaxy with all that is to come. Of course these shorts are just snippets of stories, of which we'd all love more; but since this came out of the blue and no one knew anything about this series, we'll certainly take it! Looking forward to seeing your take and reactions to the next story also Jess, plenty to dwell upon with it.

Saltire
>>138165378

I really loved this little backstory with Morgan, and see her motivations for going in with Thrawn, and how important all this is, is yet to come. Its all one big tapestry, where each thread completes the whole. And as someone who rewatches Star Wars a lot (too much I have to admit!), it just makes it feel more cohesive. I wonder if we'll ever get Resistance tied in with all this - though I doubt it, even if we have Xiono and those cat-dog things we saw in Bad Batch appearing. :) I thought for Tales Of The Jedi, that it was running chronologically; however Ahsoka's infant episode takes place after Dooku episode 2 and 3. So yes I suppose it is a weird way they brought it together. However it was very enjoyable nevertheless. I do prefer this way though, telling an individuals story in its own little arc back to back. Yes prime Grievous will always be the 2003 version of him (where we also first met the mighty Ventress!), but as I said in my own reply, without Lucas wanting Grievous to be more comical, Filoni gave the fans the version we all wanted of him here. I love the little thing in the first episode of showing the facial markings leaving Morgan as the Nightsister magic leaves her; and how we see it given back to her in the finale of Ahsoka. Nice touch that. I rewound that scene a few times in awe at the simplicity but wonder at it. We know another survivor makes it out of the Nightsister Massacre. I wonder where she is at this time... Nice summation guys about how impotent the New Republic is with dealing with the problems of the galaxy post-Empire, and not having the gall to extinguish these embers fully, so that it will come back to burn them on the arse! Realistic though. Governments are meant to serve and look out for their people, but they rarely do.

Thomas Corp
>>138165378

Tis indeed nice to see the tapestry expanded. Not too sure on Resistance being added onto this, though you never know. I’ll probably see it someday. 2003 Grievous was a whole other beast. God do my brother and I love ribbing Grievous from Revenge of the Sith. That is a really good touch with Morgan’s facial markings. As to the other Nightsister: A good question, for another time.

Thomas Corp
>>138259114

The expansion of Morgan Elsbeth was indeed delightful. Good thoughts on the Mountain Clan, and Morgan’s having the tunnel vision of revenge. Yeah, the consistent theme of being consumed by anger and hate, desire for vengeance, and how it destroys all. Good highlighting how Yoda doomed his efforts to defeat the Emperor. I LOVE how the novelization of Revenge of the Sith dives into Yoda’s mental process through all of that. Much though there is great amusement when Grievous is his cackling Snidely Whiplash sort, it is immensely wonderful seeing him as a holy terror. I keep thinking he’s not unlike the Kurgan in Highlander in that he’s rather hammily over the top yet has those moments that remind you that he’s a very menacing, and at times, terrifying character. I caught Morgan’s tears better the second time round, yeah, that was good animation. Good recall on the mention of Morgan building fleets for the Empire. The second episode tied quite a few shows together. No, yeah, Hera held her own well against Rukh, judging by the impressive showing from Morgan here. Shared thoughts on the velvet voice of Lars, and by extension, Mads. The animation does more reflect Lars than the style of Rebels did. One day, perhaps we will dive into Thrawn’s backstory as devised by Timothy Zahn. The similarities between Thrawn and Morgan are indeed intriguing. Tis alas, the failure of the New Republic: they’ve decided to subscribe wholly to peace and non-violence, without fully extinguishing the rot of the Empire. And much though it would be easy to solely blame those like Xiono or Borsk Fey’lya, it’s sadly not that simple. Worse how Mon Mothma is understandably wary of exerting too much executive power for fear of becoming no better than the Emperor. Well, Dune is highly popular amongst those of the nerd populace, so it makes sense it pops up from time to time. Morgan at the conclusion of this, yes, is fully committed to her cause, and as you note, she dies far from home, never knowing the outcome. Not sure why Bo-Katan was contacted from the Watsonian reason, (The Doylist reason of course being so she can contact Ahsoka, I presume.) though I figured you’d catch the snippets of Snips’s theme being played at the end. I loved this show. Cannot wait to see Jess see the second half.

Ryan
>>138259114

I think more and more of the line from Team America regarding the New Republic: "We will be very angry with you, and will write you a letter about how angry we are."

Saltire
>>138165378

Yes perhaps we'll see that other Nightsister again in other media to come. :)

Saltire
>>138171448

I wasn't expecting a more lighter sided clan on Dathomir with all we've seen, and how everything on that planet has the potential to kill you in the foulest of ways. Pleasantly surprised to see that there are others on there that don't all hold to the Nightsister creed. I'm trying to remember if there was a Mountain Clan when I used to go there on Star Wars Galaxies, as thats what I first remember of that place before TCW and the other stuff came later. I do remember the bloody rancors though! Filoni is going all in on Dathomir just now with fleshing out the planet and lore here and in Ahsoka, and I'm all for that. The more Dathomir the better is what I say. Seeing the power of the Mountain Clan Mother in taking out the droids, reminded me of the similar way Mother Talzin did it during the massacre, and shows that all the girls and women there, seem to be magicks practitioners. This links together nicely with Sabine and how she's able to use the force finally after years of practise. We see here, that it doesn't depend on your force ability per se - though of course it helps greatly - merely the dedication to trying to tap into it. It was good seeing Rukh and Pallaeon too, and as I say elsewhere, brings everything together into a neater bow. I'm sure we'll see more of Pallaeon going forward. He's already appeared in Mando, and I expect we'll see him in the series to come and film as Thrawn's influence grows.

Saltire
>>138259114

That seems to be how the US is dealing with Israel at the moment! Its been very naughty, but here have an extra few billion on us! ;)

Saltire
>>138259114

I've not read any of the novels, though Revenge Of The Sith is meant to be a good one. I must go through the Thrawn books someday. Picked up the audiobooks for the High Republic books though in preparation for jumping into that timeline for The Acolyte. I agree with you Thomas about Mon Mothma being wary of coming across as a new dictator in pushing to have the last embers of the Empire flushed out, and she has a difficult juggling act to deal with. They are going to be on the back foot from from the off with Thrawn's return, and are going to need the heroes of the old guard to come to the rescue once again. I don't think its going to be an easy fight though. Mind you if the situation does become dire, then throw R2 and Chopper at it - job done! :D

Thomas Corp
>>138171448

To my knowledge, this is the first time we’ve ever seen such a Light Side clan on Dathomir. I don’t recall ever seeing any like it prior. Again, it makes perfect sense that it would exist. “Darkness rises and Light to meet it.” Filoni is surely committed to more Dathmorian stories and lore. More than fine by me. There were strong parallels between the Mountain Clan’s matriarch and Mother Talzin, yes tying nicely to Sabine being able to use the Force after the years of practice. Right, a high midichlorian count is no guarantee of being able to tap into the Force. It doesn’t hurt, of course. But the more important thing is the commitment, the self-discipline to fully reach the potential. A major reason why over the last twenty-five years, I’ve never had much problem with the idea of midichlorians. They aren’t the Force itself, merely a channel, a conduit. Keyword: “A” channel, “A” conduit, not THE channel and/or conduit. A major delight to have in a visual medium, Thrawn, Pellaeon, and Rukh all in the same scene. Delights those of us who have read the old books. And to further showcase how Morgan was a key member of Thrawn’s inner circle is lovely. Oh, I’m sure we’ll get more Pellaeon down the road. I can’t wait to see more of Xander playing him.

Thomas Corp
>>138259114

Without getting too into it, yeah, not unlike U. S. response to what’s going on in Israel. Matthew Stover’s novel for Revenge of the Sith is one of the best things ever. I remember first reading it nineteen years ago, it’s amazing. Anything with Thrawn is worth it, so I hope you enjoy those books, and the High Republic material. Mon is trapped walking the very delicate tightrope; she knows her balance must be impeccable. Further problems coming from she’s probably still processing and healing from the sacrifices made in the name of the rebellion which I look forward to more of that in Andor or elsewhere. A shame Bail Organa is dead and cannot help, and you know his and Breha’s death hit her hard. When Thrawn goes on the offensive, they will be on the back burner, complete with Hera saying, “I told you so.” which I wouldn’t mind her saying that. I don’t generally care for people saying, “I told you so.” Hera would get a pass in this instance. Yeah, if things get bad enough, send R2 and Chopper to take care of business, have 3PO there with them so that when the smoke clears, our golden boy can negotiate, use his silver tongue (metaphorically speaking) to smooth over the troubled waters, even if it doesn’t last.

Saltire
>>138171448

Yes me neither with midichlorians. I know George kind of introduced them as a way of following through on his Chosen One story for Anakin - hence he has the potential to be more powerful than anyone else - but yes if you think of them as a conduit and guide to be able to listen to the force, thats fine as well. Again as you say, its the commitment and training through years of practise that will enable someone to tap into the force regardless of their midichlorian count. We even see this with Anakin in Revenge Of The Sith. He's strong, but he's nowhere near tackling Yoda or Darth Sidious in ability yet. And indeed he can't even tackle his old master who doesn't have the m-count he does. I love that George made the force universal for all, and it fits in with his philosophy of life and nature, and is of course bathed in Eastern concepts. Some can't grasp that idea though, and want to ensure the force is gatekept only for those strong in the force like Luke and Anakin. They want them to be superheroes, which the Jedi were never about, and completely misses the point of the Jedi and lightsiders. And Filoni is following through here, pushing those ideas forward with Dathomiri and Sabine; and challenging the fanbase on this to come to terms with George's ideas on the force. I hope we find out more about Pallaeon too, seeing why he teams up with Thrawn (and since I haven't read the books I don't know his incentives); but he comes across a bit like Yularen, an imperial through and through, but no mug like many of the imps that make up the Empire, and so far seems a decent man.

Saltire
>>138259114

I wonder if Mon can call the help of another senator that could help [spoiler] (the Pantoran) To help her out. If that senator is still around at that time.

Thomas Corp
>>138171448

Right, the midichlorian count is an indicator of potential of ability, not its guarantee. In Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan notes about Anakin, “Even Master Yoda doesn’t have a midichlorian count that high.” and as you note, Anakin isn’t anywhere close to outmatching Yoda or the Emperor. I love that Filoni’s run with the midichlorians as he has, even with fans to this day still crying about them. Yeah, Pellaeon is cut from a similar cloth as Yularen.

Thomas Corp
>>138259114

If in fact that Senator lives still and/or has not retired/stepped down, possible, yeah.