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The Acolyte 1x04 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

"Yeah, that's the face I make when it's nothing." Seems we should get used to that. I found this easily the weakest episode so far, but I'll start with the good stuff. As someone who found Mirkwood easily the best part of the Hobbit movies, I love this whole setting, and they get some truly cinematic shots of it that just wouldn't be possible in the Volume. Bazil the Filligree Siberian Hamster is a marvelous new alien design which I'm hoping will lead to a lot more across the franchise. Everything about our proper introduction to this Sith Lord kicks ass, with the sunlight disappearing, him floating down like a non-death obsessed Barbie, and one of the most intimidating lightsaber ignitions ever. While I would have preferred we get no franchise cameos at all, Ki-Adi's was nicely underplayed and unobtrusive, on top of pissing off assholes about when he was supposedly born, which I guarantee none of them knew or cared about 24 hours ago. Oh, and I'm officially shipping Osha and Lyra, even if I still can't remember the latter's actual name here. One bit I really can't tell what to make of yet is the line implying Jedi at this time are totally okay with killing people because it "returns them to the Force." That's a pretty crimson flag, and it would be nice to know if it's a deliberate further sign that they're not quite the good guys here, or just something the writers didn't fully think through. And then there's the rest, a lot of which seems to come down to this crew having expected to get more that eight half-hours to tell this story so they have to rush through certain things, most noticeably Mae's change of heart, which I completely assumed was just her lying until we saw her still acting that way when she's alone. Our losing three of Mae's four targets just halfway through the show feels incredibly off, especially our never really getting to see the Wookie in action. And I'll just say it: this show has no idea how to end episodes, with all four so far literally seeming to just stop when they hit an arbitrary time limit. I also have to note a concern I've had since the start which has grown ever since, that the identity of this Sith Lord will come down to what I've heard called a Walrus Tusk, meaning the story acts like just giving something a name is all the explanation you need to do (ie, it would be exactly as narratively satisfying if someone says "Oh, that's the Walrus Tusk" and that's all you ever get). Either it'll be someone we don't care enough about to make the reveal worth it, or worse, it'll go the Squid Game route (a show I loved apart from this one thing) and give us literally just one person it could possibly be by the time the reveal happens. And you seem to have locked on pretty well to the same person that I and a lot of other people have now pegged for that role, and I'm now hoping against hope it's someone else. I'm really pulling for you, Acolyte, but I'm not going to ignore you shitting the bed in the end.

Thomas Corp

I’m sorry to hear that the loud and obtrusive yard work delayed filming leading to a rough morning for you, Jess. I could still hear it. Not so much during the reaction, so it was not a problem. These things happen. And though the shorter length of the episode was a touch surprising, I am happy that you were grateful for it, especially with the busy month. Yeah, another good episode. Jarring to see a younger Ki-Adi-Mundi, though not an unwelcome surprise. Evidently, fans are complaining, leading me to ask, “What is he not that old?” they show me the dates which admittedly don’t line up, to which I shrug, and say, “So he’s older now.” You can tell Sol’s not quite in agreement with the other Jedi on how to proceed. Concerning Yord, since you asked my opinion of him. Well, that’s where I’m currently puzzled. You are correct that some are not vibing with him. Other fans seem to have a warmer response as I’ve heard that some of the fan response to Yord was that after the first two episodes, apparently, he gained a small legion of fans, complete with their own groupie name, causing me to say, “...Sorry, what?” A few weeks later, the puzzlement remains strong; I’m missing something evidently as the man tests me a mite, especially when he pulled the “civilian” card. I mean, to be fair Yord’s got a long way to go before he’d be close to being considered the worst and/or most aggravating Jedi ever. That would be my least favorite Jedi, Vrook Lamar, who about the only thing he’s got going for him is the fantastic voice work of Ed Asner, good old Lou Grant himself. I would say that Pong Krell is my least favorite/the worst Jedi, but then again, I remember, Jess, your own description of Krell, in which you described him by saying, “I don’t consider Krell a Jedi. I consider him a dumb, dumb face. So there.” which, well... There it is. Thus far, you’re, shall we say, not disagreeable to him, which I find to be nice, Jess, and he has had a relatively nice moment or two. He needs the pole out of his keister, post-haste. I am liking X-23, sorry, Jecki, and the scenes of her and Osha. Osha’s returning connection to the Force is interesting, especially as it leads to the umbramoths, I believe the closed captions said they were causing a bit of a stir. I got your initial reaction of wanting Osha to abide by the no touchy rule. Particularly as that is such a prevalent thing in Doctor Who and Star Trek. Those umbramoths were something. The size of bald eagles; probably be able to carry away small children. Sidenote, I’m mildly disappointed that Sol’s lightsaber color is blue as I pegged him as a Jedi Consular. Ah well. The Mae scenes were interesting. Knowing that Osha lives still of course changes things. Did not expect Mae to be so stupid as to think she could just walk away from the contract forged; the promises that were made. One of the few, one of the only realities of the Dark Side: you make a deal and/or you explicitly and unambiguously give your word about something, keep it. There’s a reason why those who worship the Dark Side pride themselves on their reputation of not lying, consumer confidence. This isn’t Wall Street. This is the Order of the Sith. Members of said Order of the Sith have a little something called integrity. If it gets out that bargains struck are not upheld without the convenient option of being able to fall back on exact words and loopholes, who are they going to recruit? Nobody. Then where are they? I also shake my head in disappointment over her lack of imagination over how she says that killing a Wookie Jedi, let alone any Jedi unarmed is impossible. It’s possible. Not easy to kill a Jedi unarmed, but doable. Concerning, Qimir, I think it is, (no worries on not retaining the name) her apothecarial companion being the master. Possible. Not likely, but possible. He knows more than he lets on, I presume. In any case Kelnacca was killed. And judging by the fresh saber wound, I’d say it’s a good bet that he didn’t die because he took one too many weed-gummies, which you ascertained yourself upon observing said fresh saber wound. And now the Sith (presumably) has joined the fight, with the music even sounding like it used a few of John’s favored cues when having ominous villain moments, which I loved. And said presumed Sith shows that the Jedi are fools in WAY over their heads, leaving us on a fantastic cliffhanger, which you reacted to SO perfectly, Jess. Things really look grim for the Jedi. Tell you what, seeing as the Jedi are so clearly outmatched by the Sith, (no surprise there) let’s have the Sith be magnanimous and offer them a choice of mercy by way of expedience next week: He can splatter their cortexes or explode their hearts. Which sounds quicker to you? In any case, a solid episode, even if it was a hair on the shorter side, leading to another wonderful reaction, that I enjoyed so much, Jess. Thank you.

Thomas Corp
>>141295913

Probably would be prudent to get used to that face. Strong Mirkwood vibes, which I liked as well. Bazil was cute. It was a surprise to see Ki-Adi-Mundi. Seeing as he already looked particularly old in Phantom Menace, we can just easily shift his birth year. I have seen the assholes get pissed off about it, though I am AMAZED that, unless I’m not seeing something, they haven’t jumped on Osha asking if Bazil identifies as he or they; I expected the assholes would have jumped on that one absurdly fast. I guess the Ki-Adi discrepancy was that much more infuriating to them. How unfortunate for them. I’m ok with shipping Osha/X-23, pardon me, er, Osha/Lyra, no sorry, er, Osha/Jecki, that’s it. Given how this show has taken a very critical view of the Jedi, I’d say the one line is definitely a major crimson flag. I know some fans are getting livid about the “character assassination” of the Jedi, me, I’m loving the deep dive, especially since my views of the Jedi for the last two decades now has been like Baylan said, “I miss... the idea of it. But not the truth, the weakness.” As to the signs of the crew clearly expecting more than eight episodes to tell the story, though you’re not incorrect on the criticisms you brought up, all of which are fair, I suppose I’m not all that bothered by them and/or I’m just not letting those problems get to me all that much. It’s like when I watched Solo: You’re never going to come up with an origin story for Han that’s going to make everyone happy. I never even had any ideas myself, and my thought was what we got was still plenty of fun, even if it’s not the most spectacular content that we’ve ever gotten. The Sith’s entrance was great. Especially that non-death obsessed Barbie/Count Dooku flying in Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars moment. Like I said, the music sounded like slight homages to John Williams. Less specific themes and motifs and more using certain instruments that John likes to use in certain sinister moments. Concerning the walrus tusk conundrum about the Sith, one thought I have is that someone in the cast has been kept under wraps. Present thought is that we’ve never seen whoever this Sith is before. I wasn’t even bothered by the one Squid Game mystery as I wasn’t even expecting a mystery, thus I wasn’t looking for anything/didn’t think such a reveal would happen. The apothecary, I feel like he’s going to be revealed as more of a Quirrell type equivalent to the Sith Lord’s Lord Voldemort. If the guy is the Sith, so long as it’s revealed well, written well, and acted well, I can’t see me complaining much, though I expect people will sound like Ted Danson as his character in The Good Place if it happens. And if you say you’ll be not happy with that reveal if it happens, ok, fair enough. We’ll see how it goes.

Ryan
>>141297738

I love to bring up the interview with Dave Filoni about the original Clone Wars movie when Lucas was still involved, and he pointed out having a small ship with a cloaking device contradicted a line from Empire Strikes Back, to which Lucas replied "Well, this ship has one." Another big stink they're making is that Ki-Adi will insist the Sith haven't been seen for centuries in Phantom Menace, to which I say A. He didn't see this one himself, and B. It's been the lore since TPM that the Jedi Council is extremely stupid and that's why Palpatine was able to do so much (substitute New Republic and Snoke for just about every complaint about that period). I've always maintained that it was a massive copout to have Pong Krell be a traitor rather than admit that some Jedi are complete assholes, so I very much appreciate Yord filling that role here. It's kind of the Jedi equivalent of Syril Karn, where a big part of the fun is waiting for the inevitable moment when he snaps and just starts screaming at everyone.

Ryan
>>141295913

I've seen a few people harp on the pronouns thing, though the irony is it's only a courtesy check and it turns out Bazil really is a he like Osha first assumed. I imagine there's a LOT of overlap between these people and the ones who've only just realized The Boys has been mocking the hell out of them this whole time. The big thing that currently points to Qimir for me is that he goes off to get water, in a scene that appears to have no reason to exist except to establish he was separated from Mae for long enough to kill Kelnacca.

Thomas Corp
>>141297738

I’ve preemptively got one idea that if any of these Jedi live and report anything, the high council will try to hush it up. Assuming the Sith is in fact a Sith and assuming any of the Jedi in this show put that together. Otherwise, yeah, the lore has been the Jedi have become supremely overconfident and hubristic, which allowed the Emperor ample ground to work with, that it still meshes well. Based on the, that I’m aware of, only other known appearance of Krell, it seems he was always an asshole before he got lost to the Dark. Specifically, he’s in a meeting about the clones near the beginning of the war. Yoda and Plo are advocating treating the clones like individuals, like people, rather than mindless droids, and Krell makes a disapproving face at that. I have seen fans comparing Yord to Karn, and it is apt. It would be great to see him lose it. He breaks out the cereal though, I’m done, whilst laughing myself silly.

Thomas Corp
>>141295913

There’s probably overlap with the crybabies about The Boys. You’re probably accurate there. That would make sense about Qimir going to get the water being a cover. Alternatively, he met with the Sith during that time, and the Sith then killed Kelnacca. The wound looked pretty fresh. Again, we’ll see how it all goes.

Ryan
>>141297738

I also came into the show with a huge amount of built-in affection for Charlie Barnett due to Russian Doll, where it's unfortunately impossible to say literally anything about his character without massive spoilers. Yord is completely different, so I've had to fight those expectations a bit.

Saltire
>>141295913

I knew you'd pick up on the Genndy Dooku flying bit Thomas! Its immediately what I thought about as well. I often wondered why we didn't see Jedi glide around like that when they can levitate. Of course the only two now we've seen do it is a Sith in Dooku, and one would expect a Sith here as well, whoever they are (as a poor guess on my part, Darth Tenebrous maybe?).

Saltire
>>141297738

I'm not bothering with perusing shit threads on reddit about Star Wars now, so haven't seen the faux anger about the possibility that Ki-Adi Mundi is around at this time - I mean why not? There is also a Kel Dor in the party tracking Mae and the wookie, if its a young Plo Koon I wouldn't be dissatisfied with that if I'm honest! I'm fully on board the Yord train! I don't know what it is, but I really like him. He has a lot to learn yet, but has the potential in my brief opinion of him, to become a wise Jedi Master some day. Windu and Anakin are the worst Jedi - by far for me - but then we all know I detest them both so much lol! Anakin wasn't even a Jedi either, merely played at being one. Yeah I don't think Mae made any wise decisions here, as it appears this "Sith" has been tracking her work too, and feels her failure so is coming to collect. A great introduction to the creepy fucker anyway. I still have faith in Sol to kick his ass though. ;)

Thomas Corp
>>141297738

The reddit threads. I’m avoiding the toxicity as much as possible. There have been some good memes. Like I said, I wasn’t even aware of how old Ki-Adi was in the Legends or Canon timeline, so when I saw the dates didn’t match, I just rolled with it, saying, “All right, he’s older now.” My brother was just excited to see him, and the Kel Dor Jedi, even if it isn’t good old Plo. I looked into that, if it is him, they’re not saying so, and they were up front about the one Jedi being Ki-Adi. We’re all here for that Jedi being Plo. The stage is set for Yord to be impressive. For the moment, his devotion to rules is sometimes inspiring and sometimes maddening. I won’t even be mad if he steps up to the plate in a big way. In any case, I highly doubt he’s dethroning Vrook from holding the title of worst Jedi, for me, anyway.

Thomas Corp
>>141295913

Yeah, the Dooku flying bit was something that crossed my mind as soon as I saw the presumed Sith in this do much the same. No idea why the Jedi don’t do the flying thing. The idea this villain could be Tenebrous, I’ve thought about that, myself, and it would mean Qimir is not him as he’s human, Tenebrous was not. Memory’s a trifle fuzzy on timeline and Tenebrous’s age, but he is someone whom I’ve considered that it is possible that he could be this Mister Mystery Sith.

Saltire
>>141295913

Yeah thinking on who that Sith could now be with a clear head (I had a few drinks last night while watching some TNG and catching up with this) it's more likely it's probably Qimir. Excited to see how this goes next week though! Should be a good watch with Jess next week with this and two fabulous Bad Batch episodes!

Saltire
>>141297738

Yes I stupidly went through the comments on Blind Waves reaction to this and the stupidity from some is laughable. They'll check wookiepedia as if that's actual canon, to make their points, not realising that's a fan site that updates the lore as Lucasfilm brings out new stuff. It's not the other way around! Yeah I don't think that's Plo if I'm honest, but it would be great if it was. Yord is a bit if a stickler for rules, like Mace, but I think there is more to him to begin to think outside the box, and could learn off Master Sol here, providing they make it out of this situation!