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Star Trek: TNG 2x15 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-06-29 17:00:06
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Star Trek TNG 2x15 Full Reaction - Sesskasays

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Thomas Corp

Knowing how you are with Prime Directive-centric stories, especially that idea of when and where can you or can you not interfere, I looked forward to your reaction to this one. Here they have a strong showcase of how the exact science of the Prime Directive is not an exact science, and how the morals are hard to separate from the legality of the situation. I liked your reaction to Geordi being one of the bigger advocates for helping those on the planet. That moment where Dr. Pulaski is one of the more vocal advocates of helping those on the planet, particularly as Data’s friend is in trouble, and how she says she can’t separate her emotions from the situation is a big standout that got me in the heart, leading me to get misty-eyed some. I like how you had a “Well, ok then.” type of response to that scene. It’s great how Picard listens to everyone. One great part was when they try to argue the potential loopholes, he notes that the proposed loopholes feel sophistic, yet he still does listen and consider what is said. Ultimately, he acquiesces to the idea to helping those on the planet. Nice to hear the O’Brien appreciation. I’m in Picard’s shoes when the kid is brought onboard; “The WORST offense!” as you said. I’d be even more on edge if the kid brought a dog with them, and I’d probably sharply say to Data, “Wait, you, there’s a DOG on my ship? On my bridge? You brought a kid AND a dog onto my ship and bridge? Oh, fucking fantastic.” The memory wipe coming slightly across like covering the bases. From a certain point of view, it can read like that, I do see your point. I get more or less the legal reason why they would do it, and I think the episode intends for you to find it morally shaky. If nothing else, I like how though Dr. Pulaski does note the legal reasons for the memory wipe, she also still listens to Data and responds to his thoughts and feelings in a very kind and considerate manner. A far cry from how their dynamic started, and that’s quite sweet. Just as sweet is Picard saying a main reason that he chose to help was that Data is a friend in need, and your reaction was very sweet, Jess. The Wesley plot is great as well. It is heartwarming how there is the group discussion of how whilst they shouldn’t coddle Wesley, they are reasonably concerned about forcing him to grow up too fast. I like how you appreciated Wesley’s concerns, whilst pushing for him to be assertive. I had a similar view. And when he mentions about worrying about being in charge of a more dangerous job, and there is the fear of losing someone on his watch. Considering what happened to his father, I hear him on his fear there. I like to think the crew members working on the task were kind of pushing Wesley to reach the conclusion that he did. And if not, it’s still great how Wesley gives the order in the firm and respectful manner, and the guy says, “You got it.” and hops to. Now to briefly talk about the opening with Picard and the horseback riding. I like you got into that. It is just a nice, quiet little character scene that we both love. I respectfully disagree with Picard on finding horseback riding relaxing. I tried it once two years ago. It’s fucking terrifying. It’s immensely uncomfortable. You’re stuck waddling for hours afterwards. Pass. I did like his ensemble complete with the sharp hat, and I like how you were invested in wanting him to have a majestic ride in the sunshine, as you described. Subsequently, it was nice to see your excitement in the reaction when Picard got said majestic ride in the sunshine. All in all, a lovely reaction, Jess, thank you.

Ryan

I don't remember if this is the first time the Prime Directive was ever mentioned, but it's certainly the first story to heavily involve it (and you might remember the Season 1 episode Justice where the crew introduces themselves to a pre-warp civilization just fine, which feels extremely weird now). The fans didn't care much for it at the time, but its reputation has gotten much better as the franchise went on and the portrayal of the PD got more and more draconian as we got into Voyager and even Enterprise, despite the latter being set before it existed. The best description I've heard of how bad it got is that those crews would leave a baby to die in a burning car on the off-chance it could grow up to be the next Hitler. There were also a ton of comments that the current Trek era started on the right foot by having the very first scene of Discovery being Starfleet covertly saving a pre-warp planet from extinction. So it's a huge breath of fresh air to go back to this episode and see the crew actually sitting down and talking through the pros and cons of sticking to it, and ultimately coming down on the side of this being a time they should break it. The girl here is future sitcom queen Nikki Cox, and I've never seen a single one of her shows, but anyone with such a consistent career in the genre for so long has to be doing something right. And if it seems odd that this sweet little girl isn't more physically affectionate, they tried it that way and it turned out her makeup couldn't handle it. The episode is also a great showcase for how much they've improved in the presentation of both Wesley and Pulaski, though by this time the fans had so thoroughly lost interest in giving them any kind of chance that it didn't have any effect on their reputation.

WastedPo

I haven't watched the reaction yet, but I'll just say that I've long thought that the Prime Directive was nonsense. I guess it's meant to prevent us from saving people who would otherwise destroy themselves. Yet it's used to justify not helping people threatened by a NATURAL DISASTER, something they have no influence over. Not only that, but it's often possible to help those people without necessarily intervening or interacting with them, so it's not like the Federation would be throwing off the trajectory of their natural development. Conversely, the Federation has regularly intervened with societies who were pretty darn stupid (I won't name episodes because of potential spoilers), but I guess it was okay then, because they had warp capabilities? Also, the argument that someone you save could be the next Hitler, so you better not help them is kind of weak. For one, Hitler was bad because he showed depraved indifference to life... and so it seems kind of ironic that the Federation itself prefers to show a depraved indifference towards life out of fear that among the people saved could be someone equally indifferent. Secondly, if we abstain from helping people because they could turn out to be bad, then we might as well not help anyone, ever. It feels like the Prime Directive could be used to justify never developing a vaccine or a life-saving medicine, never giving a starving man food, never rescuing someone from a burning building, etc.

Dave Hampton

The prime directive has many variations based on the writers at the time. What makes sense to me is that in a situation like this it would be fine to intervene. The time not to intervene is for a situation where a change to a society's beliefs or technology would be given/created too quickly for them to adapt to.

Ziro the Hutt

Data is probably my favourite TNG character, but I do think he acts quite iffy this episode, flouting regulations and being disingenuous especially towards Riker who tells him in on uncertain terms about the mess he causes here. His curiosity is always laudable but as soon as he received the transmission, he should have sent it to Picard and not wait 8 weeks, striking up a relationship with this kid. Does he do the right thing? Yes. Should they have interfered? Probably not. As Riker says, its hubris to play god in a situation like this when a natural phenomena of this planet is that its heavily volcanic. However, once her plea is cried out, then the right choice is to make sure she is safe, though its still questionable that the crew enacted the plan to dissipate the volcanic activity. Hence once Data brings the kid on board, they have to remove her short term memory of this, to prevent further contamination. God knows what Picard's report back to Starfleet would read! I don't remember if the Prime Directive was a thing on the original series, or introduced in TNG, but it does tend to make for some morally interesting stories. I also like Wesley's story here. Its difficult first time being in charge of anything, especially people who are senior to you. Riker in particular offers some good advice while also telling Wesley to figure it out himself, to take charge. And yes potentially make a mistake. However thats what life is all about, the up's and down's, the right's and wrong's, the successes and failures. Wesley is capable, he just needed to gain the confidence in himself, to be assertive, whilst listening to his underlings. Its what Picard and Riker do, and Riker telling him that command is never easy, shows that even the best can struggle with it - as Picard does here with Data's actions.