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The Acolyte 1x06 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

If I had a nickel for every time a big sci-fi franchise had good and evil black woman twins, and the evil one is stopped from impersonating the good one by smelling wrong... I've mentioned that it feels like the crew was expecting to get more time than they did to tell this story so they had to rush through a few things, but suddenly this one is like they managed to overdo that too so they have to spend an episode just moseying around. This is especially irritating regarding Sol's continual promise to explain the full truth, which now officially feels like the notorious ending of The Walking Dead Season 6 (which I will go to my grave believing happened the way it did because that show's crew just plain hadn't decided yet who Negan would kill). Headland also gave a statement this week that the show was designed from the start to be a single standalone story with an option for more if the audience was there, so they don't even have that excuse. At least we get some pretty good bits of material shoved into the wheel-spinning. Lee Jung-jae going on an entire emotional journey of processing the mission's disaster without saying a word is breathtaking to watch, and on the other emotional end, it's a delight to see Mae briefly succumb to Home Alone antics from Pip and Bazil the Filigree Siberian Hamster (a gag I probably wouldn't still be going with except for how fun it is knowing how much John Cleese himself would hate it, given the whole pronoun thing). I just dearly hope it's possible to restore Pip's memory, and Sol can fuck all the way off with that "just a machine" shit. In the other story, we have a rather more literal attempt at "seduced by the Dark Side" than usual, and Manny Jacinto continues to rock the hell out of this role, giving us just enough that we're always desperate for more. This wasn't actually filmed in the same place as Luke's island, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be, or why have such a grand dramatic helicopter shot introducing it? And I look forward to seeing some of these lines playing out of context on Youtube forever. "It feels good to finally hold one again, doesn't it?"

Thomas Corp

Whilst I do acknowledge how you’re more grateful for the shorter lengths of these last few episodes of The Acolyte, especially when compared to The Boys and House of the Messy, I would not say you’re alone, Jess, in liking the shorter episode lengths. Or at least I am not averse to that, one, they do not feel short, two, there hasn’t been much padding; it feels like they’re telling the story they want to tell. No more, no less. You also mention it’s a slow gradual unfolding of the narrative and it is a satisfactory experience. We did get a character focused episode this week. I figured Bazil would climb the ranks of your favorite of this show. Likewise, I knew you’d have the reactions you had with PIP. It feels like if Sol didn’t immediately know that Mae was Mae, he had an inkling, and kept clocking the threads. I hear you on hoping they stick the landing with the mystery with Sol. And you’re right, we’ve been getting differing perspectives and not getting quite the full picture just yet. And what we have seen has been influenced by said differing perspectives, which recalls the line, “Are you familiar with the Russian saying, “The past is unpredictable?” Which of us can say with certainty what has occurred, actually occurred, and what is simply rumor, misinformation, opinion? Photographs can be doctored. One’s eyes can be deceived. We see what we believe, not the other way around.” The way that the show has been setting up Sol, it feels like he and the Jedi did something fucked up. He seems to be haunted by it; therefore, my guess is he’s been holding onto a “We had no choice” type of mentality. I think he’s anticipating a half the fans are going to not like his revelations, and half are still going to be fans of him that you are hoping for. In any case, as you note, the Jedi are taking L’s, which made me quip, “The Jedi are always taking L’s, Jess, that’s why people love them.” I also LOVED the look you had when it is said that of course the Jedi are always transparent with the Senate. It does force Vernestra out into the field despite the hyperspace sickness. I imagine this would be a good opportunity for Vernestra. The experience could be a most efficacious teachable moment for her and the other Jedi with her. Eventus stultorum magister, yes? Alas, Ki-Adi is not brought along with thus preserving continuity. The idea you speculated, which, I love how you have a similar approach that I have where you don’t aggressively theorize and speculate, yet your brain does think things and you are left with ideas. In this case, the idea that Vernestra was once master to Qimir. Possible. Particularly how she has been quite insistent on keeping these events quiet. And there’s that conspicuous moment when Vernestra says the idea that Sol is responsible for the massacre is “quite the accusation.” to which I say, “It is. And I do not fail to notice that it is quite the accusation that you have not exactly refuted.” Then there’s the Osha scenes, which I like how you liked Qimir made her a lovely lunch. I wouldn’t go for it as I don’t like what he made. Or what I think he made, anyway. Interesting how the planet is listed as unknown. It is a big highlight how there is that focus on the murky similarities and contrasts between teaching someone and corrupting someone. For instance, the Sith always maintain that those with the Force are subjected to submission to the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi, yet the Sith being allowed to reign unchecked, well, we’ve all seen what happens there. It can become an argument of, as was said, semantics. That was delightful, your laugh at the semantics line. Nice to hear more hints of why Osha left the Jedi and to hear more of Qimir’s mentality and background leading to his desire to ascend to become Darth Bortles. Am I saying that right? Darth Bortles? I keep hearing people say something like that to reference The Good Place, I presume, anyway. In any event, this much is certain: This is a dangerous time for Osha, when she will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force. Well symbolized by her putting on the cortosis helmet. No, it does not look like the most comfortable head wear, then again, my noggin’s big as all hell, shopping for comfortable head wear is a pain in the ass. Plus, like you observe, one can’t see fucking shit out of the cortosis helmet. There’s a Spaceballs joke in their somewhere. And since you end with the small bit of an idea you have, I shall do the same. Whilst I do concur that it’s likely that Vernestra was Qimir’s Jedi Master, tellingly when he exposes his scars, and Osha inquires was that the result of the Jedi Master he had, he does not give an answer, which makes a man ask: Who is the Sith Master in this equation, and are they one of three Sith that I think they might be? Assuming he did have a Sith Master, that is. Regardless, we shall discover how the show continues to speak to us about these loose threads. And however way it plays out, I know that it will be most enjoyable sharing the last two episodes with you, Jess, as it has been most enjoyable thus far. Thank you for the lovely reaction with such eloquence and well-spoken thoughts and commentary; I greatly appreciated all of it.

Thomas Corp
>>142612285

First, here’s a joke for you: Mae: “Oh! Son of a... How’d you know it was me?” Sol: “Well, back on the planet, there was this mystery woman in a hood who pointed in an ominous fashion in your general direction, which tipped me off.” Mae: “Aw! Damn it!! Well, how did SHE know it was me!?” Sol: “Uh, well, actually she didn’t. I only found out later that she was pointing to a random street sign that was right behind you, and she did this to indicate what she wished to name her daughter whom she left on the steps of a church.” Mae: “...Any particular reason why she didn’t just leave a note or a message with the kid? Why the overly dramatic gesture?” Sol: “...That’s what I couldn’t figure out.”

Thomas Corp
>>142612285

It does feel like the show wanted to take its time with this episode. Thus, leading to not quite a pause button, though, like you argue, it can feel like wheel-spinning. You liken it to the infamous Negan ending. That’s not even the first time with something like that. The whole Who Shot J. R.? business was made when nobody knew whodunit. The show does feel like both its own standalone story and there being potential for more. Lee did kill it with the non-verbal acting. Yeah, I had the shared thought of PIP and Bazil subjecting Mae to Home Alone shenanigans. It also made me think that it’s amusing that the Fourth Sister wasn’t involved, considering she was a Home Alone villain years back. Shared hope that we can get PIP back to being right as rain. I think Sol’s “just a machine” line was a test for Mae to see how she’d respond. If she got angry and defensive, then she’s Osha. Since she didn’t really, that’s another big red flag that she’s Mae. If he’s sincere in that “just a machine” belief, then yes, he can fuck off with that shit. This was indeed a more literal seduced by the Dark Side attempt with a largely unsuccessful preventing of my brain chiming in when Osha glanced down in the one scene; I half expected Qimir to defend, “I WAS IN THE POOL!!” took me out of it for a second. Looks like Ach-To if it’s not Ach-To. If it is, that could contradict continuity, but I can fix that easy enough. I thought it a solid episode and I’m looking forward to how this all wraps up.

Ryan
>>142614231

Apparently there have been a ton of books about this era all along and Vernestra is a regular character in them, and does have hyperspace sickness there too. So it would be a pretty baller move to make her as nasty as it's starting to look like they're leaning towards. In The Good Place, his character is from Jacksonville, Florida and a huge fan of their football team's quarterback at the time, Blake Bortles. The joke was supposed to be that the team sucks, but shortly after the show started they had an amazingly good season, which the show then explained as a result of all the messing around with reality the heroes were doing.

Thomas Corp
>>142614231

Yeah, I heard about the hyperspace sickness being in the comics. It does seem like we are headed to Vernestra being a bit nasty, which would be a blow to fans of the character, I would imagine. I’m just curious to see how they pull it off if we are going in that direction. Far as I know, my brother hasn’t seen The Good Place either, but the way you describe the one gag, I think he’d find that hysterical.

Ryan
>>142612285

It'll be amazing if the next season brings Maestro back just to say "Oh, I was just fucking with you with that whole thing about the song in her heart. It's kind of what I do all the time, I'm surprised you didn't figure it out."

Thomas Corp
>>142614231

*Emperor Palpatine cackle* No, Jess, we have NOT ruled out the possibility of Darth Bazil. And I’m going to live for it if they do that in this show.

Ryan
>>142614231

Rewatching last week's episode, I noticed it's never actually confirmed he's a Sith. He just says the Jedi might call him that, in a condescending tone that could suggest they'd be wrong. So this might be a Knights of Ren thing instead.

Thomas Corp
>>142614231

A few people I’ve seen have pointed that out. It does leave us with the possibility of him being a Knight of Ren, or perhaps just a rogue Dark Sider. Lots of his dialogue strongly hints at Sith teaching, thus even if he isn’t officially a Sith, he’s at least reasonably well-versed in the teachings, rhetoric, and lore. Again, if there is a Sith Master, then I have it down to four probable options: one I do not know the name, the other two seem the most realistically likely, then there is the curveball of Darth Bazil.

Ryan
>>142612285

I'll also take any reference to The Walking Dead to point out that I saw Horizon, and it has my new all time favorite Michael Rooker performance. It actually took me half the three hour runtime to recognize him with how much he disappears into the character.

Thomas Corp
>>142612285

Michael Rooker is in that? Oh, shit. He’s always good. That sounds amazing, especially if you say he disappears into his character. Haven’t heard much in the way of specifics of what the film and it’s second half are about, but it has my interest. I know Kevin Costner was on Turner Classic Movies highlighting films that influenced Horizon. One of them being The Sand Pebbles which I love, so that bodes well for this new film.

Ryan
>>142612285

It's very much a Part 1, and even ends with basically a trailer for the second film. Costner's intention is for four to tell the full story, and I'd very gladly see twelve total hours of this. It was especially nice to see this is in no way an ego trip for him like the other three movies he's directed, with his character just part of an ensemble and not getting to do much yet.

Saltire
>>142614231

Well Jar-Jar was a Sith Lord according to many, so I don't see why Bazil can't be! ;)

Thomas Corp
>>142614231

I still have zero idea as to where the hell the Darth Jar Jar theory originated from, but yeah, pretty much.

Saltire
>>142614231

You see him as a Sith in a recent lego Star Wars story, which was a hoot.

Saltire

After the madness of the last episode, this one is a lot quieter, though our cast is going through plenty of turmoil. Osha wakes up in Qimir's nice cosy little cave, complete with cute little rock creatures. Once she finds her bearings, she travels outside to the landscape we saw in the first episode, that looks distinctly like Ahch-To where Luke is hiding out in The Last Jedi. The name of the planet is teased to us by the comical name "Unknown Planet"! Now while its there for us to think its Ahch-To, the location of the first Jedi Temple, I don't think it is, and the reason its unnamed, is because it could potentially spoil things from a book about the Sith from this time. I'd love that to be the case, as Leslye Headland (working with Pablo Hidalgo no doubt) has been on top of the Legends lore so far, bringing in stuff like Cortosis being the metal Qimir uses in his helmet, to temporarily disable lightsabres, and we see there is a vein of Cortosis in the cave for when he needs repairs to his helmet. Qimir comes across as more of a normal bloke this episode, instead of the horrifying force of nature he was in the previous couple of episodes. And the seduction on Osha from him is very well done. He's not dominating proceedings, like the other Sith we've seen do (and the jury is out still on whether he is one yet, or perhaps just a darksider who maybe has a Sith holocron), but offering freedom to Osha by using her emotions to let go of her inner turmoil about what happened to her as a kid, then with the Jedi, and also now that Mae has re-appeared. And we see that there is a lot underneath the surface with her, the way she went at him with his own lightsabre. Meanwhile, Mae half-heartedly tries to kill Sol, then plays her sister, which works for a while since Sol is very clearly unbalanced by the events resurfacing through his, and the other dead Jedi's actions 16 years previous, and the massacre of his group. Lee Jung-Jae has been a revelation for me in this show. I never watched Squid Game so haven't seen him before, and even through the thickness of his accent in learning to speak English for this role, he absolutely nails it as this tortured Jedi. Sol is almost as emotional as Anakin, how he breaks as he recalls the massacre in reporting back to the Jedi, the way he furiously grabs Mae thinking its Osha, and then when he slams his fist into the table as his anger rises to the surface; is very reminiscent of Anakin becoming unhinged in Attack Of The Clones after slaughtering the Tuskens and throwing some space-part at the wall as he tells Padme what he's done. After working out that its Mae on board, he then doesn't stay to wait for Master Vernestra's party and it looks like he's going solo here, either because he doesn't want anyone else killed for this, or because he's going after Qimir and isn't going to talk with him and get Osha back. I like the switch up here in this episode, where Qimir seems the reasonable one whilst the Jedi come across as a bit iffy, with Sol's actions, and the way Vernestra is now acting as she also clearly knows something; and perhaps Qimir was a former padawan of hers which she perhaps senses through the force seeing the devastation that was caused to those Jedi. The seduction from Qimir is also onto us the audience, showing us the illusion of freedom away from the "dogma" of the Jedi writing the rules, and also with his back scar, which looks like its caused by a whip, where we just happen to see that Vernestra carries a lightwhip instead of a normal lightsabre (and its purple, like how supposedly Mace Windu tapped into the darkside using a nonsense fighting form called Vapaad). This is all a red herring however for me, the show is trying to deliberately pull the wool over our eyes before we get to the bottom of all this. Then at the end we see Osha tempted to put on Qimir's helmet, where we see nothing through it, except whats within. This is a like a warped version of what Kanan did when he was blinded; where your eyes can be deceived (also nicely stated in the first episode of this show through Sol) and that "the force will set me free" - to quote the final line of the Sith Code. Good stuff. I was frustrated it ended when it did, but thats because this show has hooked me in, and I'm wanting to see if they can pull this story off. I really hope they do, as this show has been a breath of fresh air in this franchise. Can't wait for next week, where I assume we'll see exactly what happened that night 16 years ago.

Saltire
>>142614231

I think so. I just saw the trailer for it and seeing Darth Jar-Jar had me laughing my head off! :D

Thomas Corp
>>142730929

The cast is going through the turmoil, and yeah, a much quieter episode than the last. I’m told the location where the show shot for this planet is different than where they shot for the Sequel Trilogy with Ach-To. My thought is it’s not Ach-To as that could disrupt continuity if it is. Then again, I’d have an easy fix to smooth it out if it was. Figured you’d catch the vein of cortosis. Qimir does have a much more laid back approach compared to Sith past and future, though as you say, we have yet to hear the verdict if he is in fact Sith or not. There is some strong turmoil that Osha’s kept buried. But I think her dealing with that may not quite work out the way Qimir is hoping for. It does seem like Mae only got as far as she did due to Sol’s emotional imbalance. Once he calms enough, he clocks every red flag. Lee is fantastic in this. He was great in Squid Game. The whole thing of how he learned his lines phonetically is very reminiscent of how Bela Lugosi learned English phonetically for his earliest American stage roles, which like here, it gave him beyond preternatural focus and concentration. Better still how with Dracula, he weaponized it to give the Count that eerie feeling of he’s not used to talking to people period, let alone in English. Then there’s the scenes where Lee has the nonverbal moments of Sol going through the torment; deeply reminiscent of the infamous scene with Anakin in Attack of the Clones. A scene which always highlights one of the biggest challenges of the Jedi: how Padmé says, “To be angry is to be human.” and Anakin responds, “I’m a Jedi. I KNOW I’m better than this.” Highlighting one of the big things with Anakin: He’s self-aware enough to recognize he doesn’t act as a Jedi should, yet lacks the self-awareness to actually rectify or correct that, not helped by the Jedi putting the pressure of the Chosen One label on him, and it’s just this repeating loop becoming a self-fufilling prophecy that, naturally, the Emperor taking full advantage of the situation. And here we see that even someone as wise and emotionally mature as Sol is not insusceptible to anger unbalancing a man. I can see Sol going solo being both not wanting to risk anyone else, and he’s prepared to lay down his life for the sisters as a way to atone for whatever happened sixteen years ago. Vernestra feels like she knows more than she’s letting on. It does seem a shared speculation that she was Qimir’s Jedi Master. As I mentioned, one big red flag is Qimir’s complete absence of an answer when Osha asks was his wound caused by his Jedi Master, which leads to the question: Is the Sith Master that he may or may not have a Twi’lek, a Bith, or a Muun? Or is the Sith the Filigree Siberian Hamster that is Darth Bazil? Whilst there can be the freedom from the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi, the true freedom is as much a lie as peace is. Again, the chains are the EASY part. The view that Osha has being like a warped version of what Kanan did when he was blinded is a nice touch. The way you describe the frustration, one, shared feeling. Two, I recall having that same thing after the first episode of Andor following the initial three that debuted all at once, where it ended, and I yelled, “Aw, why’d th- Ahh! ...Goddamn it, this show has its hooks in me GOOD!!” Presumably next week, we will get a more complete picture of what the Jedi did sixteen years ago. This show has been great.

Saltire
>>142730929

Ah man, my heart warms to see Kanan again! I love Freddie Prinze's delivery of that scene, he goes right over the top and its great! And also, happy 4th July for you all over there! I wish us here had our independence from the crown and state now, like you guys got nearly two-and-a-half centuries back. Do you know the real location of that little group of islands Thomas? I tried looking for it in the credits, but alas I couldn't see anything as it definitely still looks like Ireland or Iceland, like where Rogue One was shot in its opening. Yeah Osha's role in how this plays out is going to be interesting. Is she going to rediscover her connection to the force and help Sol take Qimir out, or will she become the Acolyte by falling to the darkside, which would be kind of awesome from a story pov. Bela using his pigeon English to make him sound slightly off and other-wordly, which Dracula is, is a great touch. I've never seen that version of Dracula (as apparently it is pretty dull) despite watching a lot of the Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney films from back then; and perhaps thats also why Gary Oldman hams its up wonderfully in his take of Dracula. I believe there is a new version of Nosferatu coming soon too, and I've seen most of the previous versions of that as well. Great gothic horror, in the spirit more of the Brothers Grimm than Bram Stoker. Anakin and Palpatine's relationship, is a good marker for what Qimir is trying to with Osha here, though he's going about it slightly differently; though of course Palpatine comes across to Anakin as a paternal figure where Qui-Gon should have been for him, and uses that bond he carefully built up to then twist him into doing terrible things later. Its the same process, and both versions are a sneaky way to get someone to fall into the trap of the darkside. Osha mentions Qimir is trying to corrupt here and that she won't be so easy to turn as Mae was, but her curiosity gets the better of her in the end as she puts on that helmet, so she could herself be heading towards the cliff. She was able to bring Sol back from that last episode, can she do so for herself here? Yep again, Qimir doesn't answer whether it was a Jedi who caused his injury, deliberately setting in doubts to Osha - as he did last episode when mentioning Sol being her old master and that she shouldn't trust him - whilst his lack of answer only solidifies my theory that it may have been a Sith more likely to have caused that injury. I don't know the story of Maul studying under Sidious when he was young, but I can bet there was some Sith discipline dished out there as well, which could link it back with here and Qimir. Yeah Andor did that pretty well when it premiered its three episodes. The way the third episode of that ended was so good, that I get tears in my eyes every time I watch it (and I've rewatched the show about 6 times by now, even if I don't consider it pure Star Wars, which the likes of this is); and I found it to be a heck of a start to that show which did get its hooks into me, as have so many of the Disney+ shows have, despite their supposedly poor reputation with some weirdos in this fanbase. Lets hope this is the beginning of more High Republic stories to push us away from the Skywalker timeline.

Thomas Corp
>>142730929

Kanan’s line there is a great one. Maybe one day you guys will get the independence from the crown and state. As opposed to Skellig Michael off the coast of Ireland, they filmed the scenes here on Madeira Island, Portugal, or so I read. It will be interesting seeing Osha reconnect with the Force. That version of Dracula is in my top three favorite films. It does come across as jarring by today’s standards particularly as it was made in the early days of sound pictures and feels like a silent picture but with sound. Bela is intense and magnetic beyond belief in it. He is not as feral a Dracula as Sir Christopher Lee was, nor as overly hammy as Gary Oldman. I also quite like Frank Langella with his Byronic take on the character in the John Badham directed version, with some of my favorite John Williams music. I’ve heard of this upcoming Nosferatu. Be pretty hard to top the one from over a century ago, but hopefully this new one is good. Qimir is doing a different approach than Palpatine’s paternal angle that he used with Anakin. One area in which Qimir is faltering is how he said the Jedi were fools in that, “They live in a dream they believe everyone shares.” He thought Mae would share his dream. Time will tell if Osha does or does not. The wound does look like something a Sith would do. Maul went through quite the nightmarish Sith discipline and tutelage under Sidious. I’m waiting for the second and final season of Andor. That show and all the live action shows hook me in. Never mind what the wierdos in the fanbase are saying, they’ve all been good, and hopefully this one does lead to more High Republic or Old Republic material.