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The Bad Batch 2x15/2x16 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Saltire le Hutt

When I saw how emotional you were for the previous episodes Jess I hoped you weren't going to jump straight into the finale! Its just devastating to our family of clones here, as they try and fail to get Crosshair out, at the cost of two of their own. Starting off the first episode, you have to love Tech sticking up for Crosshair, knowing what will happen to him later, and Wrecker, who sees things in black and white; he is his brother and despite his issues with him, he wants to get Crosshair back. Onto the summit, and the members are : Hurst Romodi, who features in Rogue One and A New Hope; Barton Coburn served with Plo Koon during the war and was seen in several Clone Wars episodes, including The Citadel arc where we first met Tarkin in Clone Wars. Finally along with Hemlock and Tarkin, we have Krennec, also from Rogue One and the chief antagonist in the film as he gets Project Stardust and the Death Star up and running. Yeah Hemlock never comes across as someone who has sexy secrets, but his VA Jimmi Simpson plays him so well. He is very creepy but very capable clearly - and dangerous. Our crew seem to be getting the job done and have infiltrated Tarkin's compound without too much effort, and Omega shows she'd be a master at hide-and-seek as she plants the tracker on Hemlock's shuttle; however Saw as usual, throws a grenade into all their plans! It all kicks off and the whole compound is alerted forcing our crew and Saw's team to run for it. Saw is not afraid of taking big chances and going straight after top imperials, however he is always short-sighted, getting small gains but never really putting a huge dent in imperial operations. He does become a real annoyance to the Empire over the next 17 years or so until A New Hope; but ironically ends up being killed by the very people in Tarkin and Krennec here he is looking to take out, when they come for him at Jedha and blow up the city as a test-fire for the Death Star. Back to this first episode, and things just get from bad to worse as the tracker gets lost due to Saw's plan, and our crew get seriously up against it on the railtrack as the episode ends. The mission is comprimised, the Bad Batch just need to get out of dodge for their own safety. When this two-parter aired, I expected that the first episode was going to be the crew getting the tracker without too much hassle, and into the finale we'd have drama as they'd try to infiltrate Mount Tantiss to get Crosshair; but they pulled the rug from under us, there will be no rescuing Crosshair and our crew just have to somehow get out of there. 2x16 : Plan 99 is a call back to clone 99 himself (after which our crew here is also named); who always put the needs of his brothers above himself - which is what Tech does by sacrificing himself to save the rest. He got so much development this season too and perhaps would have settled down with Phee given the chance. Alas, that won't happen now. RIP Tech, you were magnificent. :( After they get out injured, they seek out AZ to get treatment as the droid knows all about clone physiology; that does mean however going back to Cid. And after all they have been through, she follows through and turns them in to the Empire for a few creds. Never trust a Trandoshan! She has some guilt about it, but does it anyway. From a story point of view, I'm glad they followed through with that plotline with her, but it sucks to see it unfold especially now the crew are at their lowest point as they try to process Tech's death. There is a very subtle but lovely moment on the Marauder, where Echo is on his own in his seat, and looks to the other seat - Tech's seat. Echo and the rest of the remaining Bad Batch understand Tech's sacrifice, but they will also lament his loss. So this his how things now stand, our crew suffered heavily from this mission and are missing members. Hunter has been looking to get out of the fight for a while, but he's not going to stop fighting until they get Omega back. Perhaps somehow they might get Crosshair out too, but the squad will never be complete as Crosshair has went through too much and won't be the same, and Tech is gone. What also hurts is that we'll never hear the Bad Batch theme either again since the squad has been torn asunder. Doctor Emerie being a female clone wasn't all that surprising, but it sets up some intriguing stuff going into the final season. Thanks for your reactions to these episodes and this show so far Jess, even if today was a tough one to endure. Losing Tech for me, is almost like losing Kanan all over again. It won't be the same without him...

Thomas Corp

All of last night, to when I woke up this morning, up to sitting down and seeing the thumbnail before hitting play, my consistent dread kept at me, and I’m not doing a good job of keeping it together myself, and I kept saying, “Oh, this is going to HURT.” You said you were preparing yourself and were ready to feel a lot of different emotions, made me chime in, “We all think that at first. We are all wrong.” A fact you acknowledged afterward. At least when it came to you going through it sitting on your couch, I and others are going through it right alongside you in spirit if nothing else. Start with the heartwarming parts of the finale. Yeah, it makes the heart swell how the batch agrees to rescue Crosshair, the silly goose, even with Hunter’s understandable reluctance, they commit. Lovely little farewell between Tech and Phee that some people yelled at Tech for being a bit thick. To be fair, I’d be in the same boat as Tech when it comes to matters of women and romance, thus I can’t judge, nor could I offer Tech any helpful advice. That scene is now painful to watch. I’ll get to the why in a minute. A big highlight of Tarkin hosting the summit. I see the fellow Imperials have been listed. The BIG highlight for my brother when he gets to this is Director Krennic as following the release of Rogue One, Krennic supplanted the tie between Wedge and Baron Soontir Fel for being my brother’s favorite Star Wars character, albeit not favorite character ever as my brother’s favorite character of anything is George Costanza. Consequently, my brother is euphorically ecstatic when we get new Krennic material. Made better here how Ben Mendelsohn reprised the role even though he only says three words, which tells us that Ben is going to be like Ian McDiarmid and Anthony Daniels as the Emperor and 3PO in that he’s in for the long haul as long as he can be, and my brother is so here for it. Loved your gasp when they mentioned Project Stardust. Hadn’t thought of Hemlock’s voice and when he speaks sounding like he’s about to spill a sexy secret. Of course, I don’t have any experience in that regard. I do concur, though that when he is at his most multiloquent that he is sans sexy secrets. The calm before the UGLY storm is seeing our beloved bad batch get the work done. One big laugh is when Tech says with the rail cars that they need to be expeditious, and how they all simultaneously look at Wrecker, your laugh at that was wonderful. And it would have been perfect were it not for Saw. You can be rude to Saw if you want as lots of fans gave him shit for this one. Especially as his actions cost them the tracker. Shared feelings on the heart racing beyond all belief. The cliffhanger would have been worse were it not for the fact that these two episodes dropped at once. The same day as the episode of Mando where Carl Weathers got the strong showcase as Greef when the Mandos come and help him, and the Zeb cameo. You talk about ABSURDLY STRONG whiplash. And it was one week before my birthday too. The entirety of the opening bit of the second episode here just grabs you and never lets up. The teamwork is brilliant. The big highlight of that being how the SECOND Tech restored power he INSTANTLY gives word to Echo, who was READY. God it would be more beautiful if what happened did not happen. The tension was profound when Tech loses his footing and falls; the part that was the worst was when he grabbed the one bar then lost his grip. The music did NOT help AT ALL. Dee’s voice work for all of it is so good: Echo trying to focus on the task at hand. Hunter conveying that STRONG big brother energy when ordering Wrecker to get Tech on board. Wrecker sounding like he knows what’s coming and is a hair away from a breakdown. And then there’s everything from Tech being so calm and collected under fire. All your reactions to encouraging Tech to becoming scared when he fell, more than when Hunter had his Rambo fall last season, impossible though that may seem. I’m sobbing just from seeing your dawning realization when Tech sets to implementing Plan 99. And both our hearts shatter, in my case, both the first time seeing this, seeing this again to prepare, and now again seeing your perfect yet painful reaction, when Tech says the line that destroys us all, “When have we EVER followed orders?”

Thomas Corp

Bringing us to the moment I’ve been dreading your reaction to since the end of March of last year: the death of Tech. Yeah, your heart does go out to Wrecker as he sees his brother die in such a traumatic way. And the way the shot is done, even if you hold out the SLIM chance that the fall wouldn’t kill Tech, the rail car is right on top of him, thus, there is no question, Tech is dead. You are right to be positive on that, Jess; Tech is dead. Perhaps this wasn’t the saddest Star Wars death, but Tech’s death is the angriest I think I’ve ever gotten over a character death in Star Wars. Seeing it for the first time, I was yelling like the main character in The Mist at the end of that film. My venting afterwards first was mixed with denial, yelling, “Filoni, what did you just do? What did you do?! WHAT DID YOU DO!?!?!” and once it fully sank in, the venting sounded like, “GodDAMN IT, FILONI!! You’re doing it AGAIN!! Every five years you hit me with egregiously devastating, visceral emotional pain and trauma!! First it was Satine!! Then it was Kanan!! And now it’s Tech, you BASTARD!!!” Some fans were assholes to me, saying, “Stop being performative! You’re the kind of guy who roots for the villains!” to which, I had to yell in response, “THAT’S NOT THE POINT!!!” Though my brother hasn’t watched the show, I informed him that I was exceptionally pissed off because of it, as a way of explaining why it wouldn’t be a good idea to talk about season three of The Mandalorian, which when this aired, he was still behind on, though he caught up on it within the month. I told him, “I’d appreciate it if you just don’t talk to me about Star Wars for a while because I’m doing my best to calm down!!” Sometime later, I relayed that to one of my brother’s oldest friends who has seen The Bad Batch, he was very understanding. Consequently, the following week on my birthday, the Jack Black, Lizzo, and Christopher Lloyd episode of The Mandalorian ended up being a most efficacious palate cleanser, and it felt so good to just laugh myself silly. Watching these two episodes again for your reaction and the pain is still immense. I so badly wished to give you a hug many times during that scene and when Omega is all of us selling how it feels when any of us first experience that first parting from someone in our family. She’s older than I was there, as watching her react to Hunter telling her that Tech is dead, I’m nine years old again. It’s obscene. And as Hunter and you note: It was logical, Tech’s sacrifice. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. I doubt Tech ever took the Kobayashi Maru test. Until now. What do we think of his solution? Tellingly Wrecker is despondent even turning down the free one from Cid as he knows that he’s so down that the booze won’t help. Brother I’ve been there. And Cid looks sincerely glum even with her actions. You and I had similar responses to Cid’s betrayal. Plenty of fans expressed lividity toward Cid, yelling things like, “Cid, you traitor! You Benedict Arnold, you!” Me, I was more like how you expressed, and it’s like how parents often say how they’re not mad, just disappointed. Worse, I knew such a betrayal was likely probable, you noted the same, and we’re let down all the same. Just seeing how fidgety Cid was, it clued me in on what she did, and it made me shake my head in bitter disappointment, saying, “Et tu, Cid? You goddamn bitch.” To be completely fair to Cid, it’s quite clear that she didn’t want to betray the batch. Hell, she had more than ample time to do so, both when they were doing jobs for her, and when they tried to part ways, and she has now only done so when her own skin is on the line, and she has no other alternative. And indeed, she looks massively guilty and contrite while she is accepting the briefcase. Said briefcase containing her thirty pieces of silver, presumably. Then Hemlock comes in and incites the fury when he presents Tech’s goggles, I yelled, “NOBODY disrespects my man, Tech that way!! Dr. Hemlock’s ass is GRASS!!!” Alas, Echo could not fuck him up. What Hunter and/or Omega really should have said to Hemlock was, “You die first. Get it? Your friends might get me in a rush, but not before I make your head into a canoe. You understand me?” Rotten when they get the drop on Omega, making me bemoan, “Goddamn it, Scorch.” I applaud your reaction to how Hunter says they will search the galaxy and will not stop until Omega is found. Sweet that Omega shows immediate concern for Crosshair. And we end on a twist that apparently lots of fans called. I didn’t mainly because I was not anticipating a twist at the end. The twist being that Dr. Emerie Karr whom we’ve been seeing these last few episodes is in fact a clone. My reaction was similar to yours, and I went, “...what? What?!” To my defense, I didn’t realize that Emerie’s voice actress was Keisha Castle-Hughes, and since she’s only a year older than myself, I’m unused to her voice in her thirties in her natural accent (I say natural accent as if I recall correctly, I think she adopted a different accent on Game of Thrones rather than her natural Māori accent.) as the default image of her is still her delightful starring role in Whale Rider which was twenty years prior to these episodes, though I didn’t see the film until my senior year of high school. One plus is that Keisha now has a much more prominent role in Star Wars than her two second cameo as Queen Apailana in Revenge of the Sith. In any event, we are left on that for about a year. Luckily for you, Jess, the wait was nonexistent for you. And you have nothing to apologize for, save for two things: Jack and shit, and Jack left town. I was crying for a week practically following this episode; thus, I feel your pain on being unable to stop the tears. And everything in your post-reaction thoughts were beyond excellent, as was the reaction itself, painful though it was. I thank you for all of it, Jess. I mean it, your compassion, kindness, and investment in these shows and characters is most treasured and appreciated, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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No, I expected Jess would jump straight into these episodes following the last two. On the one hand, you feel bad for the lack of a reprieve for her. On the other hand, the Band-Aid got ripped off, even if it is obscenely painful. The heart swells when Tech makes the case for getting Crosshair. Love the Imperial characters featured. Like I said, Director Krennic is now my brother’s favorite Star Wars character, so he’s got that cameo to look forward to whenever he finally deep dives into the animated Star Wars shows. Jess made me laugh with that sexy secrets comment. In addition to agreeing with you that Hemlock is perpetually sans sexy secrets, I think his romantic life is even more nonexistent than my own. How that’s possible, I’m sure I don’t know, but that’s the sense I get. Everything was going so well before Saw threw the grenade into the soup factory. Made worse that you know the Imperials in question are saved by canon save for Hemlock, and there you know that they’re not just going to kill off the show’s main villain QUITE that unceremoniously. I imagine that Tarkin and Krennic both had these events in mind when Saw was killed and took that satisfaction that comes from strong and poetic Shakespearean revenge. The mission is blown, and the batch needs to vamoose, unfortunately the tight spot grows. Hell of a spot to leave on the cliffhanger that thankfully we didn’t have to wait a week for. The other plus was that the second half was not on my birthday. One, talk about a severe case of party pooping if it was. Two, the whiplash between these Bad Batch episodes and The Mandalorian episode was bad enough, one shudders to think how much worse it would have been if the Plan 99 episode was the same day as the Jack Black, Lizzo, and Christopher Lloyd episode on my birthday. I was loving the arc Tech got in this episode, the budding romance with Phee was sweet, (and I’m still shipping the HELL out of that,) then they Kali Ma Shakti De my heart with this episode. Worse still as you can’t even get mad at the writing as it is narratively perfect to the kind of man Tech is. Jess has mentioned that once in her Doctor Who reactions how you can appreciate the narrative satisfactions much better when it’s not one of your favorite characters, like here where we’re, or at least Jess and I, and given you compare the death to Kanan’s you no doubt feel the same, are distraught. Tech was a magnificent legend. I kept expecting a breakdown was going to happen at work. And co-workers would try to cover by saying, “Tom’s reeling from a show he watched. Don’t worry, he’s handling it ok.” which I’d then cry out in rage and punch a hole through a wall. That did not come to pass, but it’s something I thought would happen. I hear some fans jump on the batch being “stupid” going back to Ord Mantell. One, AZI is there, two, they likely did not wish to risk Pabu, three, the severity of their wounds, Ord Mantell likely being in close enough proximity, combined with they really don’t have plentiful options, didn’t exactly leave them with much choice otherwise. Again, narratively satisfying, yet it hurts seeing Cid’s betrayal. I know the fans got ugly toward Cid. I just hope that everyone kept Rhea out of it as that lady is a sweetheart, and I do not sanction any fan attack that came her way, if any. Good moment when Echo looks at the spot where Tech would sit. “Empty chairs at empty tables. Where my friends will sing no more,” as is sung in that absurdly sad song. And indeed, as you note, come what may, nothing will ever be the same again. I repeat, I just wasn’t looking for a twist with Emerie, so I and Jess were taken aback by that unexpected yet not unwelcome development. This one was tough for all of us. God, do I want to give Jess a few hugs following this one.

Ryan

"Whenever Hemlock talks, it sounds like he's going to share a sexy secret." Well, you've got to expect that from Liam McPoyle. I love quite a bit of this episode, with the likes of Tech speaking to both my autistic and aroace soul in his talk with Phee, everyone looking straight at Wrecker when a height issue comes up, and going to the trouble of bringing in Ben Mendelsohn despite how brief Krennic's role is. But then it's all overshadowed by one thing that bugs the hell out of me, and I should note that I'm fully aware I'm reading a lot more into this than probably a lot of other people and I don't look down on anyone who isn't bothered by it. So, much as I love Rogue One, and its portrayal of Saw, the downside is that every appearance he's made since has had to play directly into that. And the result is that every second he's onscreen feels like it's playing directly into the most negative and harmful stereotypes about Black Lives Matter. And it's especially uncomfortable here where it feels like he's just a tool by the writers, because they wanted to end the season with the Batch taking a hard loss, but not in a way that's at all their fault or makes them look bad. I'd rather he just stop showing up completely if this is the only other option, and I imagine it's at least part of why Filoni has said he now wishes they'd kept Steela alive, as she'd make for a handy counterbalance. But thankfully he's out of the way for the finale itself, so there's no distractions from the levels of emotion we all reach here, at the point where as the Tick once put it, "Curse your lack of structural integrity!" After everything in three shows about how the clones are people deserving of full rights, I'll just say that of all the souls I've met in my travels, his was the most human. And of course without any spoilers, I'll just say that immediately after seeing this, I was one of many people deeply suspicious that Tech was actually dead. Among the clues listed were that they put so much work into developing him this season compared to the first, we only see his goggles and not a body, and even for someone as nasty as Hemlock it feels like a stretch that he'd bring the goggles just to be a dick. But that's for next season, and I'll just leave this with, as I say for so many things, this is why I can't watch the Schindler's List reaction. Oh, and they actually go all the way with paying off everything about how untrustworthy Cid is. Let's hope the IRS gets to her someday.

Ryan
>>143145713

Probably inevitable that we both went to the same Wrath of Khan reference, even if it was different lines.

Thomas Corp
>>143156637

Goddamn it, McPoyle! Tech does speak strongly to my autistic soul as well. I’m not aroace myself, or at least I don’t think I am. I suppose it might be possible on some level; I’m aware there is a spectrum to both. I hope I’m saying that right, spectrum. If I’ve misspoken or offended, I apologize. That is not my intention. Certainly though, Tech and Phee’s scene deeply resonates on top of being near impossible to watch without weeping knowing what’s to come. A most humorous moment when everyone looks at Wrecker who, to his credit, handled things well enough. I just remembered wondering if Krennic would be silent and then I nerded out when you heard Ben’s voice when he said his sole line. Proving that it could be like Jonathan Freeman as Jafar in that they’ve gotten him back for practically everything Aladdin related, save for the live action remake for obvious reasons, and my brother is so goddamn happy to know that we could get plenty of Krennic material to come. Concerning Saw, I wouldn’t say you’re strictly speaking reading way too much into it. I know he’s meant to be more analogous to Che Guevara. It is a cyclical part of human history: fighting against tyranny, yet you end up becoming little to no better than that which you fight against, and it’s a thin line. The most negative and harmful stereotypes about Black Lives Matter, I can see how the comparison could be made here and other occasions when Saw appears. I will reiterate that I like how in Rebels they treat Saw as nuanced in not completely condoning his actions and rhetoric, yet showcasing how he and his planet were victims to the Empire and thus, you can understand where he’s coming from, even if you clash with his actions. The line Tech has, “Understanding you does NOT mean I agree with you.” His appearance here, I suppose he does feel more a tool for plot convenience, yet it’s done reasonably well enough that I guess I’m not as bothered. But I hear where you’re coming from, and I do agree with you and Filoni that the real shame of Steela getting killed is we now lack the counterbalance and the opportunity to have the sort of Professor Xavier and Magneto type of conflict. We all do reach high emotions in the second episode. Good use of the Tick quote. The Wrath of Khan references are unavoidable with this one, as I see you commented much the same. It is logical. Is it not? I will say that normally when a body is not shown, yeah, the suspicion is strong. Squid Game proved that conclusively. I’ve spoken before that my dad was always on top of stuff like that. Here, there was no such suspicion for me. I knew he was dead, because otherwise, they wouldn’t have framed the shot of him falling to include the rail car falling right behind him, so that even IF the fall didn’t kill him, he’d be crushed to death a second later. That and everything of how powerful the scene is, you don’t go that hard to have a fakeout. Unless, of course, you’re that much of a dick. I do have a thought with why Hemlock would go to the trouble with the goggles separate from his being a colossal prick of the highest order. I continue to hear you on the reluctance to see the Schindler’s List reaction. And yes, strong payoff with the untrustworthiness of Cid. Nicely done with the Barbie reference.

Saltire le Hutt
>>143145682

I was the same as you Thomas, I actually woke up early after not a great sleep and the first thing I thought of, was this episode of Bad Batch and how Jess would get on, and it gave me the fear! I think I got the episode as it came up here, and was able to get my own edit of Jess's reaction done in 20 minutes, which I do for rewatches so I don't have to synch things up every time. And it all played out pretty much as I expected, especially the build up to Tech's sacrifice as he runs and jumps around on the rail with the V-Wings firing overhead. It hurt, and it will always hurt rewatching these episodes, as it should, as the build up and execution of this season has been done so well with him and most of the others. And to think that he might have had a shot at settling down at sometime with Phee, won't happen now; is just so sad. Btw your brother has taste if his favourite all time character is George Costanza! Hard to top that lunatic! :D On the start of the second grabbing you, I love the music, or more specifically, that awful sound Kevin Kiner uses, like a synth version of the Jaws Theme. We hear it quite a bit whenever they go to Tantiss later, and it just puts you on edge throughout. The music throughout these two eps overall is just great; from the escape and rising strike back of the Empire as our crew try and fail to get away, to Saw's escape which reminds me of Bond escaping from some lair in one of those films, to the rising anxiety and terrible conclusion with Tech, and the aftermath as they hobble out of there to get back to Ord Mantell, and finally that glorious tragic theme as Omega is taken away and they have no way to find out where she is - its phenomenal, the Kiner's knock it out of the park as always. Tech's final line is so fitting. Their crew always did things by themselves and loosely followed orders sometimes, and this series has shown what happens to one of them when they do follow orders to the letter, and the sigh before Tech makes the shot to disconnect from the rail tracks to save them, is so powerful, as a man who is about to sacrifice himself for his family. Tragic but as you say, he was a legend.