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House of the Dragon 2x05 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Thomas Corp

What a BEAUTIFUL necklace, Jess! Yes, the vibe was the fallout from last week’s episode of House of the Messy. With it, the heaviness. I still seem to be the fucking asshole in that I’m nowhere NEAR as saddened about Rhaenys as everyone else seems to be. Though my brother told me that he holds a similar sentiment, and he agreed with my saying I’m more upset to not get to see Eve anymore, than Rhaenys dying. Feels odd how solemn the smallfolk reacted to Meleys being dead. To be clear, what we’re saying is that the show kinda forgot about the innocent people that Rhaenys and Meleys killed back in season one, that’s what we’re saying here? I share your appreciation of the somber tone of all of this. The parallels between Alicent and Rhaenyra are well done. The sympathy is much greater toward Alicent. Certainly, I feel her thing of like you described, she went through so much, ruled for years, and she’s tossed aside like an old glove. It’s insulting. You commented on how Olivia sent chills down your spine during that one FANTASTIC scene she had. Oh, I felt that scene, too. Her eyes alone just screamed, “You can’t do this to me! YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED!?” To be a broken record: just give her all the awards. So, we now have Aemond as Prince Regent, and Aegon is, well, actually I’m not sure. Would we say he’s original recipe or extra crispy level of fried? I knew he wasn’t dead last week. Those scenes of him being tended to were quite gruesome. That part of the scene where you said, “HOLY! Holy, holy. Oook, ok.” sounds about right. I had a similar reaction, saying, “Jesus!” upon seeing it. They could pull a prisoner of Zenda type deal by finding a guy who looks like Aegon if the concern is too great of the people finding out he is out of commission. Helaena continuing her proclivity and talent for saying cryptic things that are dead on the money, as you wonderfully and dramatically said, loved that. I do adore how you stick up for Helaena ruling. And you say what I think that she probably could do the damn thing. But she probably doesn’t want to. Heavy lies the crown sort of thing. I need MORE of our Bug Queen and her grandpa. My brother and I are most relishing this arc of Prince Daemon’s mind being put through such torment, leaving him just as confused as someone who watched a Buñuel picture, or someone IN a Buñuel picture for that matter. I say let’s keep Daemon in Harrenhal indefinitely. Make him suffer more. Pretty please with sugar on top. I do concede that we probably did not need the scenes that would make Oedipus say, “What the fuck, bro?” Your own reaction to that was priceless, Jess. Loving more of Simon, especially when he educates the Black Prince on his title. More Alys is appreciated. I like her. A most memorable look on your face when Daemon makes it quite clear what his ambitions are. And it reveals a fundamental truth about Daemon: He already has power, or so he thinks. Certainly, he has strength, intimidation. And yet, he remains unsatisfied. It is not enough. What he really wants, what he desperately seeks so badly that he can taste it, is that he, he wants freedom with no responsibility. And although I have no doubt that he has deluded himself to such a degree that he believes that to be possible, what he naturally fails to realize is that even in the real world, there is only one person on Earth who gets that deal, and Daemon does not qualify, much though he acts like one who would. I love how you sounded like such a disappointed mom when he tried to engage in more chicanery. Then it was lovely how that backfired so spectacularly. That one guy Rhaenyra sent to see Daemon is definitely dying, or is going to be dead soon, anyway. He’s facing the particularly high uphill battle trying to reason with Daemon as you said. Rhaenyra seems to think so as she never answered the guy’s question that he asked of being removed from her council. Corlys is likely the best choice on hand for hand. The bitterness of the saltiness is likely to be strong. You are kinder to Jacaerys than I am. At the moment, my view of him is that he is a fucking idiot. Particularly when he said that the Freys shouldn’t fear Vhagar because his dragon is parked in the front yard whilst completely forgetting about Vhagar making a light amuse bouche out of his brother and said brother’s dragon. You mention the good point of Rhaenyra is already facing opposition, Daemon being of no help. The last thing she really needs is Jacaerys flying off without her knowledge or permission. Regardless of how successful his endeavors are, it sends a bad look. The sort of thing that he would better understand if his mother had paid a minute’s FUCKING attention to learning how to properly play the game and rule, and thus, would teach him these things, but no. You also sound far more optimistic about Rhaenyra and Jacaerys looking into the tenuous familial connections that could ride the spare dragons. My thought being: Supposing you do find people for that, can they even fly the dragons? Well, I mean? And if not, do you really have the time for them to learn? We’ll see how it goes. For now, another week with a most lovely reaction to House of the Messy, and exceptionally wonderful post-episode thoughts, Jess, thank you.

Ryan
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That Fargo line comes in handy in so many different situations, doesn't it? I took that line to the Freys to mean "You won't need to worry about Vaegar if I just roast you right now."

Thomas Corp
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The Fargo line is one of the best things in recent memory and is indeed exceptionally useful for multiple situations. Good read on Jacaerys’s meaning. Wouldn’t exactly do his mom’s image any favors if he carried out that threat, but I can see how that could be what he meant.

Ryan

There's a couple especially baffling changes from the book here, which we may have to wait another season to see the repercussions of, and I can't help wondering if this is a result of the season at least partly being shot during the WGA strike and unable to alter the scripts. Aegon's burns are a totally new invention, and his legs are broken in a whole other battle that we haven't seen, and I highly doubt they're just removing given the other important stuff that happens in it. And rather more importantly, Sunfyre survives Rook's Rest and goes on to play a VERY important role later on, which had even seemed to be the one part of the story that the show was inescapably locked into after Joffrey had told the whole thing to Margaery back in Game of Thrones. I guess it wouldn't be out of character for him to have just made it up, but it's still a very weird creative decision this late in the game. On a more minor note, Forrest Frey in the book was a loyal Black from the very start, with this portrayal clearly being to bring him more in line with how we already know the family. It's also an interesting touch to have his wife more in charge, when she was barely even mentioned. Alicent is surprisingly now playing pretty much the same role as Ashley in The Boys, stuck in a subservient role and unable to even be that angry about it after she so willingly propped all these guys up. And Olivia makes an absolute meal out of all that indignity, and it's marvelous to see the director have enough confidence in her to just hold on her totally silent face as everyone else does the talking. Also regarding King's Landing, I'm very curious what non-book readers are making of everything with Hugh the Hammer, with my best guess being "I'm reasonably sure this is going somewhere, but I'm getting impatient." I'm sure no one expected this to be the way we first saw Alyssa Targaryen, and I had to roll my eyes a bit at Daemon's reaction. Oh, NOW it's gross? And then he proceeds to act like it's one of the last couple GOT seasons, only to find he's in a show where actions actually have consequences. Matt completely nails that moment of realization when they bring up the flags, the kind of performance beat he never quite had as the Doctor or even Phillip. And I have another laugh at the people complaining that this is somehow out of character for him, and say "You realize you can still masturbate to him no matter how nasty he is? The Walking Dead fans handle that just fine with, oh, so many characters."

Ed Green
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Criston Cole said 'Sunfyre was long in the dying', therefore he left a garrison to protect him. Key word being 'left' - Criston is unlike to have been present to witness Sunfyre die, given those words, and he is mayhaps just assuming he died. Later on, Rhaenyra thinking Sunfyre is dead may be as a result of the same misunderstanding. Aegon's burns in this incident are in the book. Page 435, two lines after Meleys's death is reported: 'his royal rider had suffered broken ribs, a broken hip, and burns that covered half his body...the dragonflame had burned so hot that the king's armor had melted into his flesh...his burns brought him such pain...' There hasn't been a real-world instance of Targaryen parent/child incest in either show.

Ed Green
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I don't believe the show forgot about Rhaenys killing the smallfolk. I believe it's intended to show that very few nobles care about the smallfolk on a human level. Rhaenyra making Ser Alfred Broome her envoy to Daemon is like when Theresa May made Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Get the employee who's a threat to your cabinet harmony busy somewhere away from you.

Thomas Corp
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No, yeah, it is the thing of the show with how little the nobles care about the small folk. Still feels jarring is all I’m suggesting, and I recognize the show likely means it to be jarring. That Theresa May making Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary comparison is apt.

Thomas Corp
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I keep hearing conflicting reports of was the shortened episode count because of the strikes or was it always the plan. I can imagine that the assumptions are made about Sunfyre, particularly on Rhaenyra’s end as the information she possesses means it makes sense, and she has no real reason to think differently. I heard something about the difference between book Frey and show Frey. I suspect done for convenience. I think Alicent is able to be angry about being stuck in a subservient role, she just also knows that it would be hypocritical given, as you say, she so willingly propped all these guys up, and she therefore knows she can’t give much if any voice to her feelings of discontent. Heartily agree with Olivia feasting on the one shot all without one word being said. I’m sure Jess and I are going to keep being broken records in heaping praise on Olivia. Certainly, I’m maintaining my advocacy that we give Olivia every single major award possible. The thing you say of audience response to the one plotline being, “I’m reasonably sure this is going somewhere, but I’m getting impatient.” my own response thus far has been the “I’m reasonably sure this is going somewhere” part. Yeah, Daemon’s reaction to the one vision is eye-roll worthy. Like NOW this family SUDDENLY has standards about this thing. I made the comparison that Daemon tried to act like Jerry Lundegaard when initially trying to downplay to Rhaenyra how badly he fucked up with Blood and Cheese. Now he’s at a point where he feels a mix of Jerry meets Walter White, and yeah, Matt is killing it. I have no idea what some of the fans are smoking when they accuse the show of “assassinating Daemon’s character”, and it reminds me of something I’ve discussed with friends and family that I’m frustrated by with fans sometimes: My thought of “I don’t mind much if say Daemon is someone’s favorite character, that’s their call. They do realize he’s not the noble heroic saint that they’re painting him as?” Not unlike the worship that the Heath Ledger Joker gets. And how you bring up the Walking Dead characters with the characters that people “can still masturbate to him no matter how nasty he is” as you described. My favorite character on that is Samantha Morton as Alpha. I’m not THAT sick in the head that I rhapsodize her as this purely virtuous saint of a woman, particularly as she stands out as one of the more monstrous villains of the universe.

Josef Schiltz
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I sometimes get the feeling that Jess has access to the TARDIS wardrobe. It must be palatial!

Thomas Corp
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Palatial is a good word to describe the wardrobe Jess has, particularly if said wardrobe is TARDIS in nature.

Josef Schiltz
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A TARDISal wardrobe and a spa! Edit: Oh yikes! I've just remembered what Who serial follows Arc Of Infinity!!!

Thomas Corp
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Good wordplay. Yeah, I remembered that serial is next too. Hope it ends up not being too bad for Jess.

Josef Schiltz
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I suspect when she sees the title it'll be "Oh Noooh! OHHHHH No! Uh ah! No!" I can hear her now. Same here. I hope she can get through it relatively unscathed. The only good thing is she is forewarned.