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Star Trek: TNG 2x18 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2024-07-20 17:00:04
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Star Trek TNG 2x18 Full Reaction - Sesskasays

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Jenny Chalek

OMGs your outfit is so cute! I mean, you're always gorgeous, but that necklace is really something.

Josef Schiltz

Somerville and Ross get to the 24th Century and start to cause havoc amongst 20th and 21st Century sensibilities. Where's an Irish Resident Magistrate when you need him?

Thomas Corp

This, I would say is presently holding the title of worst, or at least weakest episode Next Gen thus far. You summarized well that this felt like four different episodes all smashed together; feels like a Chibnall penned Star Trek episode in that respect. And the result is, well, I don’t know what the fuck it is, beyond being offensive as all hell. Start with the first half of the offensive content which you were nicer to it than I was, Jess and certainly nicer than Colm Meaney is with his feelings and choice of words for that plotline for obvious reasons. And it shows in the episode how you see Colm just die inside. O’Brien too. The whole thing just plays into that overbearing stereotype. The actor Gabriel Byrne spoke about it once, saying, “A lot of people who live in America, and it’s not their fault, have a stereotypical view of Ireland. You get a movie like The Quiet Man and people arrive at Shannon airport and expect to be met by Barry Fitzgerald.” The whole thing is DEEPLY goddamn personally offensive. Still not as egregiously offensive as Tom Cruise’s accent in Far and Away, though it gets pretty goddamn close. Knew you’d have the reactions to the Riker scenes. I’m with you there, Jess. My gut response to Riker being like Kirk is to say, “Down, boy.” Then there’s the sojourn to Not Kamino. Sidenote: You were asking where Rex is. I’ll take Crosshair and/or Tech. Especially Tech. It would be very nice to see him again. There are copious problems with that plotline, and I’m not qualified to get into that. I will say in the main characters’ shoes, I’d say to the people that they wouldn’t want my DNA. Seriously, they would not want it. The goddamn Freudian nightmare that is my brain chemistry alone is not something they’d want. Knowing your feelings on consent, I anticipated you’d be averse to how they just took the DNA from Riker and Dr. Pulaski. That scene with those big fucking needles was so FUCKING RUDE. I saw it, and went, “OK!! That is not, SON OF A BITCH!! GOD!!! DAMN IT!!!” Surprised your reaction was as tame as it was given your aversion to needles is STRONGER than mine, which takes some doing considering how many times I got poked years ago. But then again, I attribute the tame reaction to your concern, defense and protectiveness of Geordi. A reasonable response, Jess. Shared response of feeling unclear about pretty much all of the resolution. I do concur that it is not great, the whole “breeding stock” description of how the problem would be resolved. From what I hear, the science is sound, as you mentioned wondering about that. It is apparently sound, yet it still sounds horrible, especially when the paterfamilias of the one group lights up with the idea of having the three wives, and when he said, “Send in the clones.” I grumbled, “Easy there, Sondheim.” I too would certainly hope they asked each woman there about would they consent or not, and if they didn’t hopefully that would be respected, not terribly optimistic though I am about that, hopefully that happened. The small plotline with Worf and Dr. Pulaski was the best part of this episode. You described it as being most adorable. It is. I anticipated you would love that given your love of character focus, even in a small dose like this. God, I just loved the expression on your face and the look in your eyes during your reaction to those scenes. And indeed, your reaction to this episode more than makes up for how dreadful it was. A lovely reaction, Jess, and terrific post-episode thoughts, even in their slightly befuddled state, they were still wonderful. Thank you so much.

Ryan

So, it's pretty obvious that what happened here is they had two story ideas that they couldn't stretch to a full episode, so instead they're just jammed together. The way the Irish story gets totally forgotten about once the clones show up until it's time for the resolution is just weird, and not even trying to feel natural. But then, hardly anything about this one feels like there's much effort to it. You really have to pity poor Colm Meaney getting stuck in scenes with all these horrific Irish stereotypes, unable to say a word about it because he's still just a day player. Luckily, he was a main cast member when presented with a script involving a leprechaun on Deep Space Nine, with enough clout to get it changed to Rumpelstiltskin. Oddly enough, the Irish-descended Maurice Hurley and Melinda Snodgrass (also responsible for the magnificent Measure of a Man, so what the hell happened here?) both said they were very proud of it. And some of the others just had a laugh with it; that "bow to the absurd" moment is Patrick Stewart genuinely cracking up and improvising the line in character. It also inspired one of my favorite ever reaction moments, when upon Riker first making eyes at the tempestuous lass, the guy said totally deadpan "Please don't fuck her." As for the clone story, in those pre-Dolly the Sheep times it really comes off as bizarre that the show just automatically expects us to be completely against the idea, enough that we won't think any less of our heroes for summarily murdering the clones (and I do stick by that word choice, seeing as another episode in the franchise just a few years later would say in no uncertain terms "Killing your own clone is still murder"). And it's also pretty funny to watch Riker ranting his nonsense about why he's against being cloned considering a certain reveal down the line, but we'll get there eventually. Even the often terrible Enterprise managed to have a much more thoughtful exploration of the idea, helped by stem cell research being so much in the headlines by then.

Ziro the Hutt

Oooh you have hit this one Jess, alongside the finale of this season, this is the worst episode of season 2. I made it 10 minutes into it and when I saw all the Irish stereotypes running amock, I just switched it off lol! I won't be watching this one along with you I'm afraid! I will see your reaction to the finale of The Acolyte tonight instead, as I never got round to it last night, so will see you there! :)

Ziro the Hutt

Yeah I have a bookmark of TNG episodes that I'm going through to check out plots for episodes that are less familiar for me. When I got to this one and saw the reception, obviously there were bad signs, but I plugged ahead anyway. Then after said 10 minutes I just switched it off and moved to the next episode, which is a lot of fun.

Geordie Joe

I only recently rewatched this episode for the first time in about 20 years when Alex and Josh of the Target Audience reacted to it. Now I've watched it twice in the same year. Hopefully it's another 20 years before I have to watch the cringeworthy filler TNG episodes again. One a positive note, at least we're getting closer to season 3 now.

Tsuliwaensis

Worf and Polaski bonding at the beginning was a true delight. and the rest of the episode is done now, so we can just move on, forget about it and pretend it never happened. 🤭

Josef Schiltz

Patrick Stewart strikes exactly the right balance with his reaction to this one. "Sometimes, you have to bow to the absurd" and just laughing. When you've starred as Oberon in 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' - as he has - and taken part in all sorts of stage nonsense, there has to be moments when you just have to step back, laugh, and acknowledge how silly it all is. if you don't, then insanity ensues. Other actors have remarked at the absurdity of the acting profession and what they are called upon to do to make a living. As William Hartnell once said of Doctor Who, "I have to be hypnotized by it. Otherwise I'd have nothing to do with it." A 'technique' that possibly got all the cast through 'The Web Planet' and 'The Underwater Menace', to name just two. Although, in no way is this 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' we have the juxtapositions here of a play within a play with the TNG crew being the royal court and the Bringloidi being the Mechanicals. The healthiest thing to do, which Patrick most likely portrays on behalf of the entire cast, along with Colm Meaney, is to get on with it, think of the money and sweep it, like dust behind the door, and move on to the next one. “If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here While these visions did appear. And this weak and idle theme, No more yielding but a dream, Gentles, do not reprehend: If you pardon, we will mend."