Home
Creators
Search Recent Random
Posts
Search DMs Popular Hash Lookup Tags Random
Importer
Import FAQ
Register Favorites Keys Review DMs Logout
Community
Telegram ThePornDude
Home Creators Posts Import Register Favorites Logout

House of the Dragon 2x07 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

Published:
2024-07-30 17:16:05
Imported:
2026-06
Tags:
haven't archived this post yet. have a subscription? use the importer!

Files

Previews only

House of the Dragon 2x07 Full Reaction - Sesskasays

Download Full Reaction (4.7 GB) Full Reaction You are now able to stream the full reaction directly from this website. Alternatively, you can download it to your computer using the button underneath the video player. You

Comments

Thomas Corp

LOVE that eyeshadow, Jess. Lots to say, so I’ll split the comments up some. Start by saying that I was sorry to hear you had technical problems yesterday which delayed the upload of this reaction. That the reaction being uploaded was delayed is no problem, still, I know, Jess, how the technical problems can build and cause anxiety for you, and how you’ve spoken of that in the past. So, I offer my sympathies to you about that. Now to the episode itself. I confess that you had the stronger positive reaction to this penultimate episode of this season of House of the Messy. In fairness, it is stuck under the shadow of the penultimate episode of last season, so that probably has something to do with it. Good to see you liked the episode, Jess. Good assessment on Addam. Likewise, good assessment on Alyn being “I’m good, bro” in regard to having a dragon. Contrasting to Rhaena going off to likely getting herself killed. Should be interesting to see how that plays out. Interesting scene of Jasper (who thanks to the closed captions, I know what to call him as I forgot what his name is) saying he heard the rumors, and Larys dismissing the accurate game of telephone, as you called it. You mentioned how the scenes with Aegon brought back some memories. They did the same for me, though different than your surgery last year. I do remember those comments you discussed. Oscar was quite the grouch in that he did not come to fucking play and I too lived for every single second of that. Just as much as I LIVED for your reactions to good old Oscar. FANTASTIC to see him knock Daemon down several pegs. With it there was love for Simon having the “Oh dear.” reaction. Talking with my brother, I brought up Oscar, saying, “Someone make a note of that man’s bravery.” and my brother responding, “Yeah, that kid was badass.” The whole scene shows how Daemon is not as clever as he thinks he is. Whilst Daemon believes that he is skilled in thinking on a grand scale, he, like his niece, overlooks where problems begin, and they always start small. Such as signs of growing rebellion and discontent. A sickness which kills both common man and king, and for a man, oh, excuse me, a prince, apologies, as weak as Daemon, he will likely slowly crumble further than he already has if any signs of rebellion grow further in size and rises against him. And with Oscar forcing him to kill Willem, I think the kid just fucked Daemon, and Daemon knows it. Again, nice to see Paddy again. When Daemon mulls over the question: does he still want the crown, I deadpan, “Don’t think so hard, Daemon, you might sprain something.” Getting REAL tired of Alicent not having all that many scenes in the episodes. It’s disrespectful of the show to shortchange their main character and chief protagonist like that. Similarly, I share your disappointment of the absence of Otto since episode two, getting REALLY tired of it myself. Mind you, the scenes Alicent has are that tremendous which helps make up for how few we’ve gotten. One area where Olivia is not getting due credit is how she is perfectly selling how Alicent is still acclimating to not being a primary caregiver to Viserys anymore. Just how after putting so much energy into that since a very young age, which continues to her entire adult life up to this point, and now that it is over, how Olivia portrays Alicent being proverbially, and in this episode, literally adrift, with that, “Now what?’ energy. It’s been striking how good she’s done with that. I liked, Jess, how you commented how Olivia sells just how numb Alicent feels. it does feel like one of the first times that Jacaerys unloads on his mom as he did. He seems particularly surprised that his mother has not given the matter serious thought, which, of course, she hasn’t; this was always a succession crisis in the making that Rhaenyra has never cared about when she should have. Especially as I seriously doubt that Daemon would be happy with not pure Targaryen blood on the throne, leading to an inevitable battle there. Add onto that the fact that all of Rhaenyra’s children are illegitimate, which though nothing wrong with that in the modern world, in the world of Westeros, it is tantamount to treason, and will undoubtedly incite many power squabbles across the land, leading to destabilization. And now Rhaenyra throws gasoline on the fires by bringing in the bastards so that they can claim dragons, making everyone special. And when everyone is special, no one is. It also continues to be irksome how, unless I misremember, Rhaenyra refuses to shoot straight with her kid, even with the kid outright saying, “Ma, I look at myself in the mirror. This is PAINFULLY obvious.” Of course, it still is interesting he is bothered so much as the whole operation with the dragons was his idea.

Thomas Corp

Then there is the matter of the aforementioned bastards. You do speak well how the high risk is very much a Hail Mary for the people. And it’s not the biggest fallout: either they die by dragon, or starvation. Seems convenient that the starvation thing, Rhaenyra just glosses over how through the blockades, she’s largely responsible for that. She is also having trouble with the union as you said, with her trying to be Oprah in just giving people dragons, as, also, you said. That the dragon seems to be appreciative of all the light snacks, that seems to be a consensus view of the internet. You and I clocked that lots of those people were wearing redshirts. I even chimed in, “Look at some of you. You haven’t even got name tags. Why don’t you just lie down?” I was also in asshole in response to Rhaenyra’s big speech. Rhaenyra’s big speech makes me say, “Yeah, Rhaenyra, everyone’s hearing your big dramatic averments, and all I’m hearing you say is, “Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice I am willing to make.” that’s my takeaway.” Good comparisons to old Betty. I’d be Sam Neill in that situation, yelling, “Ian FREEZE!” Rhaenyra witnessing the chaos and carnage without seeming to have a shred of shame or empathy, makes a man watching say, “Look what you have made.” Of course, now Hugh and Ulf have their dragons. You asked was the one dragon nudging Ulf in a playful I like you nudge or a playful playing with one’s food like a cat with a fresh mouse, my response was, “...Yes?” Ulf’s joyride made me ask, “Is he flying under the influence?” Aemond showing smarts that although I would imagine Gargantuan Grandma Dragon could take all parties involved, it’s still too risky. Better to wait for Daeron. And to end on what the show wants me to find a triumphant final shot, and I’m not feeling it. Because things are going to get messy. OF COURSE it’s going to get messy. This is House of the Messy. Besides which, I really don’t think things are going to go the way that Rhaenyra thinks they will. I’m sure the more hardcore Team Black fans/Rhaenyra worshipers are overwhelmingly optimistic, and I’m probably being an asshole by being pessimistic. For one thing, she keeps saying that now that they have the greater number of dragons, the Greens will just throw in the towel, and no further bloodshed will transpire, making a man note, “Rhaenyra... You just... don’t get it. Do you? You don’t.” In any event, we now play the waiting game for a week to see how Rhaenyra’s little insurrection will play out. One last note of interest. You mention about being afraid of looking up names. I hear you. My brother told me, though perhaps not because of looking up names, he did MAYBE, keyword, MAYBE get a spoiler about a character that we have been loving in this. And I’m not going to say what that spoiler might be, because for one thing, I don’t know what it is, as my brother did not say what it was, for which I am grateful. Shame we can’t actually interact with the characters such as Hugh who would confirm his name by saying, “I am Hugh.” I’d be a wiseass asking, “You are me?” and Hugh would correct, “No. I am Hugh.” In any event, I hope you, I, and others who wish to remain as unspoiled as possible, remain unspoiled. In your case, especially so, as the fact you avoid the spoilers as best you can, that factors into why you are the BEST reactor on the internet, as again, this reaction provides demonstration of that. Thank you for another lovely House of the Messy reaction, Jess.

Ryan
>>145107678

In the book Jasper is more often referred to by his nickname Ironrod, either in reference to his strong moral compass or having a number of bastards to rival Walder Frey. I'm curious why Paddy isn't credited for these appearances like Milly was, especially in this one with us already knowing he came back.

Thomas Corp
>>145107678

I would assume Paddy’s absence in the credits is a preventive measure in case of leaks. Alternatively, he simply asked for it as such to avoid everyone fawning over his return at the expense of his co-stars. Just my thoughts, anyway.

Ryan
>>145107685

I saw her reaction as being like looking into a bag that says "Dead dove." "Well, I don't know what I was expecting." Though with all the dragons at the ready now, I'm asking myself how much more black could this be, and the answer is none. None more black.

Ryan

It's got to be intimidating as hell for a young actor to be thrown into the middle of all these heavy hitters and be expected to carry a whole extended scene, but Archie Barnes completely pulls it off and instantly has me looking forward to where his career goes from here. It was no surprise to see you hanging on every word from Oscar, and at the same time Matt and Simon lend ideal support with their silent reaction shots always keeping you apprised of what they're thinking of all this. Willem, I was pulling for you for a while, but when you're reduced to the Nuremberg Defense as your best option, there's really no saving you. Something I need to make clear is that I'm good enough at dissociating myself from fictional pain in a story that I was able to get through all ten Saw movies without ever looking away from the screen. So when I say that Aegon's scene here had me wincing all the way through, that's the level I'm talking about. All credit has to go to Tom Glynn-Carney for making it so visceral and believable, and when that snap came I could only think "Dear god, tell me that was just the cane." I REALLY want to think it just slipped the writer's mind that Jace was talking about a black guy when they chose to have him use the word "mongrel." Reminiscent of when the Iron Fist crew had the bright idea to cast a bunch of black people for the scene where Danny calls Colleen's students "chattering monkeys." And don't anyone come at me with "That's not what he meant." As Toby Ziegler put it, symbols matter, and in this day and age you really need to consider what kind of message can be read into your story (and I say this as someone who completely changed the ending of my book because of how unintentionally homophobic the original one came across). Did Rhaenyra seriously have no better idea than just shoving everyone into a pit with a dangerous animal, like a Hollywood production before SAG was around? Well, they bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say let 'em crash. Of course, I knew the whole time this was where all these side stories were going, and I've seen some people complain that it was too predictable that the people we already know are the ones who get dragons. I've reached an age where I'm completely over that supposedly being a problem (unless you make a point of presenting things like no one could have possibly seen them coming; hello Mind Negan from The Boys), and whenever someone brings it up I just say "Oh, you mean the story makes sense and plot beats are set up in a logical way? How horrible." The whole setpiece was one of the highlights of the whole show so far, and instantly had me looking up what else Loni Peristere has directed (he started as an effects guy on the Buffyverse, which makes a certain amount of sense).

Thomas Corp
>>145144325

Yeah, for as daunting a task it was, that kid stepped up to the plate. I was very impressed. Particularly how he calls out Daemon, by essentially saying “Either you need our army, or you don’t. Which is it?” in a similar manner as Bones said to Khan, “Well, either choke me or cut my throat. Make up your mind.” Credit too, like you said, to Matt and Simon, Simon especially as he had little lines, yet serves excellent reaction shots. Willem does lose a man when he comes over all Nuremberg. I recalled the one comment you made about the Crosshair business in the outpost episode of Bad Batch. When watching, I thought, “What was that thing Ryan said? “Being shocked that the leopards ate your face”? Yeah, I think that’s what’s happening to ya, buddy.” That was the thing you said, right? About the leopards? You’re braver than Jess or I am with that one scene in Saw II. It does vary somewhat, but I do tend to feel characters’ pain sometimes. I often say that one way you can tell you’ve reached adulthood is that the injuries Harry and Marv are subjected to are far more horrifying and painful than they are funny. (Whilst you do still get a good laugh here and there.) The Aegon scenes do have your entire body just clenching in pain just looking at them. Tom delivers there. Since I watch with the closed captioning on, I knew the sound was the cane, though I also note that they likely would have used a slightly more sickening sound if it wasn’t the cane. Concerning it possibly slipping the writer’s mind, it might have. It could be deliberate as a way to make you question who really is worth rooting for in this show. I know some fans have pointed out he is largely venting and projecting his own angst and insecurity. I do absolutely see your point on how one needs to be careful with stuff like that. It’s why I say that it’s a good idea to have an extra set of eyes and ears sometimes to catch this when it happens. In my case, with my Asperger’s, there’s already the pronounced trouble with social interaction, logical and literal thinking, misreading things people say or don’t say, I almost always overthink what I say, or what others say. It’s like the Dot and Bubble Doctor Who. After some of the red flags were caught, there was at one point the thought, “Am I reading too much into this?” which then changed to noticing a lot of the red flags seemed too deliberate to be accidental. If I ever wrote anything, I’d bring somebody in for anything that I overthink, and I’d say, “I’m starting to think this might be taken the wrong way. Am I phrasing this right, or should it be changed?” It would appear that Rhaenyra didn’t have the better idea than the old Hollywood production strategy. Mercifully, there are only two dragons. Any more than that, she’d probably keep at it by bringing scores of people in until she kills more men than Cecil B. DeMille. They did buy their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. All because Rhaenyra decided her chances of getting the throne rest on two things: Finding someone who can not only fly a dragon, but who DIDN’T have fish for dinner. As someone who doesn’t know the source material though I have heard fan rumblings about Hugh and Ulf, it seemed likely that they would claim the dragons, though like Jess said, you wouldn’t put it past the show to just kill them off, given the universe. I think when people complain about things being too predictable, whilst there can be valid criticisms of that, people forget about the benefit of the fourth wall and narrative perception. So, whilst they say of course Hugh will get the dragon and/or Ulf will get the dragon given the attention they’ve gotten, the counter is, “I know that, but does HE know that?” There are the irksome situations of the obvious twist treated as the biggest shock in the world. But the thing you say, “Oh, you mean the story makes sense and plot beats are set up in a logical way? How horrible.” I saw that Leslye Headland mentioned something about that with the Sith reveal of The Acolyte, by saying, “I think a good twist is not about hiding everything from the audience and then throwing it on them like, “Hey, this is what you didn’t see! We hid it so well that you didn't see this!”… I think a good twist is telegraphing what’s going to happen, and then once it does, executing it without an ounce of pity or sentimentality.” Of course, I was doubtful about the Qimir twist and I was wrong, though it turns out that I was at least partially correct about Plagueis, so it balances out. Any opinions on the morality or lack thereof of the whole shebang aside, that big set piece is quite something, I will say that.

Ryan
>>145144325

I can't take credit for the saying; it's been going around social media for a couple years now and no one really knows who first came up with it, describing any non-straight white male who still votes for Republicans as "When I voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party, I never thought the leopards would eat MY face." I do feel kind of bad now about my tone on the "mongrel" issue, which is very much my frustration with trying to talk to other people about it unfairly dumped here. I'm grateful for the day's delay, since it probably would have been worse if I was writing while the feelings were that fresh.

Thomas Corp
>>145144325

Ah. Sort of curious where the phrase came from then, though like I said, your earlier use of it crossed my mind whilst watching Willem’s fate. It seemed reasonably apropos if nothing else. The words you said about the “mongrel” matter, they are your genuine thoughts and feelings. And given my venting today on the Bad Batch reaction on the one theory, which I’ve got more venting to come on that in the coming weeks, I’m not going to begrudge you if you want to vent some yourself if you want to get something off your chest. I hear you on the frustration of talking about stuff to people and it not going well. It’s a big reason I love Jess and her reactions and talking about stuff to her and you guys: There’s the nuance to the discussion and willingness to debate. Are we all going to agree on every single tiny little thing? No. Are we going to discuss our points of view and have good talks about it? Yes. It’s where Jess was a godsend with season one of House of the Messy, and has been so again with this season.

Vanessa J McNamara

Hi Jess. Glad you enjoyed it. It was a fun episode. I’m not going into a deep analysis, just thought you might like some behind the scenes tidbits. Condal said the first scene on the beach was meant to be a wild west standoff. The weather was pretty bad that day so it was a challenge. In the end, I think it was a fabulous shot. And there were a lot of great dragon shots this episode. They showed this episode at SDCC last Saturday. Condal said they blew the entire Dragon budget on this one and 4, of course. Bottom line, it was expensive and a lot of work. I hope they’ve left some funds for the finale. The smaller Dragon Ulf got (and yes it’s Ulf and Hugh) is called Silverwing and it’s purported to be the most amiable Dragon, whatever that quantifies as. The weir wood tree is quite an interesting build. The face carved in it is GRRM’s. It’s not overt so I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have known if it wasn’t mentioned. For the burning scene, they used actual fire on actual people. Stunt people are amazing. First they get set on fire and then they have to deal with that foamy fire extinguisher fluid sprayed on them. It’s the acting that I do appreciate from everyone. The only exception is Mysaria. Maybe it’s not the acting. I just think her trust has not really been earned yet. Young Oscar was great, quite the diplomat. The looks exchanged between Simon and Daemon, I just had to laugh. Not a lot of Green action this episode, so I don’t really have any tidbits for them. Well, I’m off to bed. 😊

Thomas Corp
>>145151410

Yeah, I can see the western influences on the beach scene. Feels more Ford than Leone, but yeah, I can see it. If they say they blew the budget on this and episode four, the implication I’m getting therefore is that the season finale might not be quite the spectacle that fans are expecting. But I could be wrong. We’ll see how it goes. Did not know about Martin’s face being on the weir wood tree. The stunt people are great. One of the more impressive stories about that is in Freddy Vs. Jason where whilst filming a scene, a special effects snafu actually caused the Jason costume that Ken Kirzinger was wearing to catch fire. Given Ken had twenty years as a stuntman under his belt, he remained calm until they got the fire extinguishers to put him out. In the same movie, though not a stunt man, Robert Englund said his Freddy make-up was so thick that he couldn’t tell how hot it was from the fires during filming, and when he got in to have his make-up removed, it had bonded itself to his face. The acting in this show has been great across the board. Though I have no real beef with the acting with Mysaria, it is comparatively on the weaker side. Or at least she feels outclassed by the talent surrounding her. Not helping is that Mysaria is one of the more reserved characters, and thus far, thanks to the writing, not in the most interesting way. I hear you on feeling that the trust has yet to be fully earned. I caught a comment saying, “Mysaria knows things. She makes good points. I don’t know how far to trust her, but I believe it is reasonably safe to trust her, as long as your interests and hers lead to the same destination.” I was very impressed with Oscar. My brother and I are loving Simon in this. That look he shared with Daemon, and his “Oh, dear.” remark were great.