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Ryan

Well, I just sprang out of bed like Anna realizing it's coronation day. This was the part I was most worried about getting spoiled for you after the trailers, so it's great to see that didn't happen, especially since a lot of fans were extremely upset about how this goes against Ventress dying in some book or comic that we've apparently arbitrarily decided is more official canon than the others. I've never once cared about those (yeah, I know, I'm not a real Star Wars fan), so I got to just enjoy having her back, and having all the interactions with the Batch that you'd hope for. Filoni has stated that he plans to reconcile her death scene down the road, but he really might as well not bother. Maybe she was Tech the whole time, it'd make as much sense as any other theory. And it's a good thing we get all that quality time with them, because next is another episode with the Batch totally absent. Which was kind of necessary for the face turn they're clearly building to with Emeri, though I do have to question exactly what she thought she was doing before she knew there were kidnapped kids involved. Like I said to Hope van Dyne, why is killing a lamb so much worse for you than killing a mouse? And the parade of character returns on the way out the door continues with Cad Bane, and I'd argue this is the most (for lack of a better word) human we've ever seen him, freely giving an informant a fair payment and warning Emeri about not openly asking the questions she is. I also have to point out how unsettling it is that even this comparatively adult-oriented show feels the need to be so vague about what C-X2 did to Cid, reminiscent of when Legend of Korra suddenly stopped using the word "dead" regarding the Earth Queen's fate. And with all the kids now involved, I was suddenly very nervous about them being introduced to the most humane product the Empire ever made, quick, painless, tasted like banana. Five episodes left to see just how far the show was willing to go with any of that.

Saltire le Hutt

3x09: I was spoiled for last season when I watched the trailer for this series, so knew Gungi was going to be in it, so I didn't make the same mistake this time, but the noise was too strong from the community that Ventress was going to be in this series as she was in the official trailer, so glad you haven't been spoiled on seeing Ventress again Jess. In the long period since we last saw her, there was a novel (and what was going to be the clone wars arc finishing her story) called Dark Disciple written about her and Quinlan Vos, which supposedly killed her off - though some are saying thats up for debate; so some aren't too happy she has returned here. I never liked the idea of that story though (too much like a god damn soap opera for me), unless it can get modified in some way. Filoni was the one who pushed to bring her back in, and her VA Nika Futterman said there is a plan for her going forward; so I'm loving seeing our goddess return here, as she's too big a character to be killed off screen. Its been too long since TCW season 5 (Ahsoka's Trial arc) since our last encounter with her. Her look is taken from the Dark Disciple version of her as well, where she had that haircut (she also sported it when she was trained as a Jedi when she was a teenager), and she also had a yellow lightsabre in the novel too. There is a nice link here during Omega's first test, when Ventress grabs her mouth. She did the same thing to Boba Fett in her first bounty hunter episode; and of course Omega is more closely related to Boba than the other clones left. On first viewing I wondered how the adults of CF99 (and Omega at that) didn't recognise Ventress, as she attacked Kamino with Grievous. However they may have been off-world at the time and had never needed to have run-ins with her before. She was a pretty well known separatist asset though in the war, so thats perhaps how Hunter got Crosshair to check Tech's files. Omega would have been hidden still on Kamino at the time during the attack I think, so wouldn't have seen her before either. That's my take on it anyway. I love the fight scenes with CF99 and Ventress. These boys are the best of the best clone soldiers and are formidable, even with Crosshair not firing on all cylinders at this time. However going up against one of the strongest people in the galaxy, it shows how out of their depth they are. Ventress was trained by Dooku to be a Sith Assassin, who regularly held her own when duelling Obi-Wan and Anakin simultaneously. She won't break a sweat in dealing with clones. It shows the difference a trained force-user can have against elite soldiers. The animation on the hand-to-hand stuff is phenomenal. The lighting was touched up for this season and there was clearly another upgrade on the animation engine as a whole, and its superb. We also see this on full display with some great fight scenes in Tales Of The Empire, which seemed to use this version of the engine. We are a long way from the Clone Wars Movie with it! :D The bit where the clones open fire on her and she dodges the blaster fire efforlessly and ignires her lightsabre, gives me goosebumps every time! God its good to have her back!!! The bit on the boat with Ventress teaching Omega about the force is done wonderfully. That and the following scene with the turtle beastie, is almost the same scene as in Empire Strikes Back with Yoda training Luke and the latter not believing it, which Omega is doing here. Never thought I'd see Ventress being as reflective on the force as Yoda, but she has moved on from her past. Like Crosshair, that doesn't excuse it, but it also shows that both can have a different life if given the chance to - and want to. Her summioning the fish shows that she is a different person than the assassin she was, but her unintentionally summoning the beastie shows that the darkness within her isn't all gone yet. The moment Ventress opens her eyes and calms the beastie through the force, shows she has achieved some sort of balance within her. It gets my eyes a bit weepy seeing where she is now, after the path she could have remained on. Also its a reminder back to infant Ahsoka calming the massive tiger with the force in her Tales Of The Jedi episode - love that link! Crosshair kind of accepting Ventress by giving her a hand on-board the ship, after he sees her rescue Omega, shows him as a kindred spirit to Ventress also, but solidifies his protective link to Omega too. The character development of Omega and Crosshair in this series, is fantastic. Ventress giving CF99 and Omega a non-answer about her force potential is done on purpose. The reason I think the showrunners did it this way, leaving things inconclusive, as it doesn't set potential paths in stone yet for the likes of Omega and her brothers; which will add tension as we go into the remaining episodes. However Ventress recognises all about being abandoned and torn from her family, and she is showing Hunter and co a kindness in her own way, as she sees the bond Omega has with her brothers. There is also a warning for them to get out of Dodge if they want to remain safe and warns them about the threat of the Empire (in her being the Harbinger of the episode). Fantastic episode.

Saltire le Hutt

3x10 : I always dread rewatching this episode, its a BRUTAL one to sit through. We see the definition of true evil here; people selling out kids to the Empire, Bane taking the kid from his mother and the coldness to which the "specimens" are referred to by Hemlock and co. I'm not a parent, but find this one a hard watch. Anyone with some semblence of humanity just wants to see those kids being protected, and not in this cold facility with no hope, and who just want to go home. The young voice acting of Eva too really breaks my heart when she looks so defeated as this episode continues. I also keep thinking of how hysterical that poor mother will be when she awakens, to find her baby gone. I hope that git chokes on his 30 pieces of silver for ratting them out. We saw Bane do this in Clone Wars as well; and while we love to see him, the emotionless nature of him partaking in this, makes me want to watch Boba Fett kill him again. If only it could have been done sooner, if these are the jobs he does regularly. Scorch is the clone who stuns Jax here. And again why he and the other clone commandos are fine with this, remains a question. However, even if they think this is for the greater good, and that "good soldiers follow orders" is drilled into them; this is beyond the pale. Scorch is a name from a past game where players followed Delta Force, a troop of clone commandos on their missions in the war; and the amount of threads opened up from fans of that game moaning about him here, beggars belief. Its a nod to that game, nothing more; this Scorch clearly isn't the same as that one, and is fully indoctrinated with the Empire. People also do change, and not always for the better. Emerie's conversation with Nala Se, is enlightening. Emerie is the only other female clone we know of beside Omega; who has accelerated ageing and was seemingly sent to Hemlock during the war, along with Nala Se's blessing. Back then Nala Se wasn't interested in morality about the clones, their purpose and potential as living beings, only as assets. However when Omega came around and was with her on Kamino, she seems to have seen the error of that attitude, especially now her home and civilisation is all but destroyed. Her speech is far slower too, indicating stress and guilt imo of her part in empowering the Empire. Emerie was obviously an experiment too from Nala Se, and she has never had a life outside of laboratories. This is the first time she sees the link between how she was handled as an asset, and these kids; and is beginning to feel that this is just wrong whats happening here. So CX-2 is "activated" again to increase the search for Omega. Of course the Trandoshan he got intel from, is Cid. He probably threw 10 credits at her and she opened the floodgates as always. I hope afterwards he turned her into a snakeskin coat! :P Emerie looking at Omega's file and giving her doll to Eva, shows that even when Omega isn't there, her spirit warms all around her. The themes of this episode are some of the darkest in Star Wars. We know the Empire is evil, heck its stated in the opening credits of the original film! Yet they even outdo themselves here - and for what, so Darth Sidious can live forever... Never have I wanted a rescue attempt to succeed so much as getting those kids the hell out of this place.

Thomas Corp

Today was indeed a good day. As you so perfectly said Jess: Asajj Ventress and Cad Bane in the same reaction. What a time to be alive. Makes the blood sing, does it not? Start with the Ventress half. Lovely to see Crosshair interacting with the townsfolk. Love how you laughed at Crosshair in response to being thanked, just kind of grunted and his body language had a strong “I need a beer.” energy, I relate. And how Wrecker teases him which would be my brother and/or my older cousins on my dad’s side in that scenario. My cousin on my mom’s side would likely get in on that as well. You are correct that this season is more downbeat than the previous seasons, which is fitting as it fulfills the Return of the Jedi elements of this series as Jedi is a lot grimmer of a film than people give it credit for. The ewoks and C-3PO likely distract from that. Salacious B. Crumb too. Certainly, Omega remains a ball of positivity, particularly when offset by Crosshair and Hunter. Mr. Broody and Mr. Broodier. Hunter is the latter, to answer your one comment. Now to the long-awaited moment. Something that NOBODY was expecting. The return of Asajj Ventress. And she has hair now. (Lucky.) I had my coffee to the side for that in your reaction. Your reaction was beautiful, Jess. It’s funny how the closed captioning keeps referring to our dear Asajj as simply “person” prior to the reveal of that which is quite blatantly obvious. In the Star Wars universe, villainry is in the eye of the beholder as you say, and shit, you know me and Star Wars villains, the Emperor especially. Tis nice to hear you go so far as to say that Ventress is your favorite Star Wars villain. Nika Futterman has not lost her touch in the role. I think Ventress might correct you, Jess, when you refer to Hera as the Bad Bitch, by saying, “Syndulla may be a Bad Bitch. But I... am THE Bad Bitch. The original, you might say.” Upon finding out she’s working with Fennec, I take that in, and say, “...I need details. COPIOUS details.” LOVE how you echoed the dialogue Ventress had, and how you were most adamant about the “no killee” rule that you imposed on dear Asajj. You were very in tune with her, and it was amazing to see. You expressed a wariness to completely take Ventress at her word. I would not worry about that. She is a student of the Sith. One of their ironclad rules: You give your word and/or explicitly promise something, you keep it. In my case: Again, our beloved Bad Batch takes a backseat, affection-wise. Though I understood the concern, and the boys held their own rather well. Yeah, you figured we would dive into the midichlorian business, which hearing Ventress actually say the word “midichlorian”, I yelled, “THANK YOU!!” I also get a laugh at Crosshair sounding like me when he notes that Hunter promised not to intervene. He gave no such promise. I also laugh at Ventress channeling Raymond Burr with her Rear Window moment. A shame that the relaxing teaching session got interrupted as there is always some big fucking creature lurking in the water, like you said, though it leads to spectacular moments. Her actions at the end can be read a few ways. One of the more altruistic being she gives false word about the midichlorian count so that Omega can stay with the batch. Of course, we are still left with questions. The fork in our soup is this: What has Ventress been doing and where has she been since last we saw her in The Clone Wars which those episodes were eleven years prior for frame of reference. That is the 64,000-dollar question. And that’s not me being facetious, I genuinely have no answer at this time. Not helping is Tech’s file on her may or may not be missing a spot or two. For instance, Ventress’s defection from the Separatists is a minor detail that the file seems to overlook. Consequently, concerning Ventress, we’re, the fandom, that is, we’re uh... we’re fuzzy on her in that regard. One thing I do know, if you’re reading this, Jess, is that there is a story that may or may not be canon and is, far as I’m aware, the last known appearance of Ventress prior to this and was a planned arc that was intended to be part of The Clone Wars prior to the initial cancellations. Said story will no doubt get mentioned ad nauseum in the youtube comments section, leaving you, again, if you read any of that, with a question of what is this story that people are talking about. To answer that: I refer you to a gift you received in your last PO box video; it was wrapped up with a note attached telling you to not open it until you reach the final season of Clone Wars. Of course, as I say there is question of the canonicity of the story, which I’ve heard from people who will be mad if it’s been rendered completely non-canon. By the same token, I’ve heard people being perfectly fine with the story being discarded. I, myself, am simply waiting to see how things progress, though I did happen to like the story well enough, though I am sympathetic and fully understand the complaints from people who did not like it. It’s like with The Rise of Skywalker when I saw it opening night and I loved it. Whilst seeing it, there were spots that I knew that the fans were DEFINITELY going to be PISSED OFF about this, that, and the other thing. My thought being, “I don’t give two shits. I am LOVING THIS.” With this in mind, I suggest giving the story a shot, if you wish to. And even if it isn’t canon anymore, if you are genuinely curious, Jess, you should check it out if that’s the case. Unless you don’t wish to take the chance that things may get spoiled in the future. I wouldn’t blame you if that’s the case. If you do give it a shot and you love it, great. If you end up not caring for it all that much, well, you can say you gave it a shot. In any event, a lovely, lovely episode that put Ventress back on your screen, Jess.

Thomas Corp

Now to the second episode. Back to Tantiss. (Or is it Happy-Town?) This one aired concurrently with the first episode of next week’s reaction, but, unlike the previous case of that with your reactions, there’s not much of a cliffhanger here. The two episodes, by the way, more or less served as my Star Wars birthday treat this year, as they aired two days before my birthday. This is a heavy one, and one that would fit in well with Andor. Especially with Emerie feeling quite Kino-esque in her arc. And now, we get to that, which you abhor: Kids getting kidnapped. And I did anticipate your reaction to the needles. Speaking as someone who went through six and a half years straight of nightly shots, I feel you on the needles being triggering, even if they are animated. As to the kids: Though the show still refuses to present the entire picture, it has pulled the curtain back ever so slightly so that we now see that Project Necromancer involves testing and experimentation on children with high midichlorian counts. Which isn’t exactly the biggest shock in the world, because as you saw in Clone Wars and Rebels, old Papa Palpatine is big into his cradle-snatching schemes; you can’t keep a good man down. With the knowledge in mind as to what the research presumably entails, there are probably a great many casualties amongst the children that the Empire collects. Most likely die before the age of twelve. The few, the precious few who live have a gift. That is the Emperor would call it a gift, in actuality it’s more like a cosmic joke as their survival means that the real nightmares begin for them. And it shows us that this is what will be Omega’s fate, whilst clarifying why specifically Omega is that valuable. And subsequently, it makes us that much more sympathetic to the batch’s desire and drive to keep the Empire’s stinking paws off Omega. I anticipated your discomfort with the cradle snatching, being done again by good old Cad Bane. Loved how you clocked them: His spurs. His spurs that come in by the door. And of course, there are two kinds of spurs, my friend. Those that adhere to some measure of honor and morality. The other has the one rule that once paid, he always sees the job through. Our dear old Cad belongs to the latter category as we well know. Rather generous of Cad to give Emerie the warning about asking too many questions. Keisha really sells Emerie’s growing terror of what she sees and reminds us how Keisha won our hearts back when she starred in Whale Rider. You feel bad for the one kid who tried to escape, leading to Scorch to step in. Making a man say, “Goddamn it, Scorch, this is NOT a good look for you! No wonder the Republic Commando fans are pissed off at you in this show!! Or rather Filoni, I guess.” It is great how she goes to Nala Se. Similarly, Great how Emerie uses some of Hemlock’s own logic against him, helping her with that is Tarkin picking then to call. It shows she is not quite as obedient as Hemlock may prefer. Mind you, he’s got Tarkin breathing down his neck, which is all his own goddamn fault for being so circumspect about Project Necromancer. Given Tarkin is involved, I get the concern, but you could at least throw him a frickin’ bone just to placate him, temporarily if nothing else. Unfortunately, thanks to X2 going to see Cid, they now have a strong lead. A highlight to see again your disappointment and frustration with Cid. Gone it seems are the days where you kind of lived for her. The fans did seem to like the idea of her taking a few licks from X2 going to town getting the information from her. I do recall you wrote a comment last month hoping Hemlock would die terribly. I had suspected that you would become vocal about that desire come this episode. As to what would be worse than a fiery pit, the answer is quite simple. Since he is a Star Wars equivalent of the John Cassavetes character in The Fury, (Or at least, I’m dead certain that’s the case.) the fate of said Cassavetes character in that film would be most preferable than our heroes having the opportunity to smite the wicked Hemlock and plunge him into a fiery pit. Especially as everything would be in place to replicate the scene with Cassavetes, yet alas, this is a “kid’s show” so we can’t get that. Shit. Nonetheless, the fact remains that these were two marvelous episodes that you have now reacted to so PERFECTLY, Jess, thank you.

Thomas Corp

I hear you. Upon waking up, once I had the moment to try to process whatever the fuck my brain was dreaming about, realization hit leading to a big smile on my face, and I said, “The day is finally here!!” I think all of us were most worried about the spoiler of Ventress. Upon finding out she was going to be in this myself, my dread of Jess getting spoiled was greater than my excitement to see Ventress again. Loved all her interactions with Omega and the Batch. concerning Emerie, she did mention Hemlock discovered her or something like that. My thought is she’s kind of just grateful to have a home and a purpose, thus has somewhat overlooked certain red flags prior to this. I say she feels similar to Kino how he had the sort of authority over the other prisoners, which gave him the hope that he could leave faster, before the cold truth became known to him. I think it’s sort of like that here. I imagine Cad often offers payment to sources unless they give him reason not to. Simple pragmatism: people aren’t going to give information if you favor the stick over the carrot. It does stand out how he notes that Emerie’s questions give away a lot. He definitely files the information for potential future use if it becomes profitable. Sort of like how you see Benicio’s character in The Last Jedi do that about the information of the escape pods. For now, there’s no bigger payday by doing anything with the information, hence his giving Emerie the nickel’s worth of free advice. I assume Cid is still alive as the show would have been upfront about that. The lack of concrete details gives one pause though, much though Cid has gotten on the fans shitlist. Reasonable fear about the banana flavored humane product, which I’m surprised never became more popular, now that I think about it. But certainly, yes, the dread is strong with that one.

Thomas Corp

The fans were LOUD on this trailer, hence why I just watched it to beat everyone and the algorithms to the punch. Humorously, I can point to a specific scene in Everybody Loves Raymond to more or less showcase what my reaction to said trailer was, especially pertaining to Ventress. You might be the first person to ask how the batch didn’t initially recognize Ventress. The Doylist reason being that they didn’t exist for a while. I’d buy your Watsonian take, and Crosshair does have the line saying Hunter was correct on his surmise as to who she is. The boys going against her, admirable but mistaken though it is, they put in a good showing, so CLEARLY outmatched though they are against the apprentice of Count Dooku. Hell, Sir Christopher himself, that magnificent legend, was quite proficient with a blade, so the batch is really outmatched. Crosshair impresses the most as he’s not been shown to be particularly proficient with hand-to-hand combat, yet he’s holding his own well, and you see it silently earning respect from Ventress. That moment you mention of Ventress dodging and drawing her blade, tears are shed over how good it is to see her again. The teaching scenes were great. Yeah, Ventress senses a kindred spirit in Crosshair, complete with a look she gives that says, “I like you.” Probably leads to fans shipping the two of them, which, I don’t hate the idea. I’m with you on the idea of Ventress doing a kindness to Omega and the boys by not separating them. Fantastic episode, like you said.

Ryan

Lando would probably have a few words about what the word of a Sith is worth. "About as much as Disney's," he'd say.

Thomas Corp

This episode is a brutal one. It would fit in well with Andor, like I said. I’m not a parent either. Short of a miracle, that’s not in the cards for me. Likewise, my brother and sister in-law have no kids, so no nieces or nephews. My cousins on my dad’s side who are like older brothers, they all three of them have kids now, the oldest of said kids turns eighteen at the end of the year, (Hard to wrap my head around that one.) so yeah, there is the strong revulsion of what’s going on, and the fierce protectiveness of these kids. Mind you, there remains a very difficult moral conundrum. I know the likely end goal of what they’re experimenting on the kids for. And the end result is nightmarishly beautiful. But by saying I favor that, it means that I endorse the horrid treatment of the children, hence my conflict. Certainly, I’m with Jess on being shit with kids, yet seeing them in such a state incites the protectiveness. I know Jess said, and I agree, that she likes that about Alan in Jurassic Park how much though Alan doesn’t like kids, he hopped to goddamn quick in saving them. The voicework for Eva gets you right in the heart. The git choking on his thirty pieces of silver, I keep hoping Cid did as well. It makes sense that Cad Bane would be a regular hire for these jobs, given his Angel Eyes influence, and subsequently, his complete amorality. I imagine Hemlock had some further indoctrination subjected to Delta Squad. Certainly, Scorch earns your ire with his actions. He has gotten plenty of fans to say, “He’s not MY Scorch!” that’s for goddamn sure. Fascinating dialogue between Nala Se and Emerie. Difficult to say what X2 did to Cid, I could see him giving her another thirty pieces of silver. I could also see him beating her up some. Supposing he did make the snake skin coat, I don’t think Jess would mind much, especially as it wouldn’t be an actual snake. I think Cid is still alive as the Empire now knows she is useful for information, better to keep her breathing. It makes a grown man cry that scene with Omaga’s makeshift Lula. Emerie is starting her journey to the light. It’s a thing I always appreciate when villainy is allowed to be even more ruthless than they already are. The drama becomes deliciously fantastic. And all of this so that our dear beloved Darth Sidious will live forever. And here’s the sick fucked up thing about that: He already will live forever. He’s just trying to make sure that he can personally enjoy the experience from now until the end of time. Certainly, our dear Ian McDiarmid has attained the immortality from his years of playing the Emperor, and Ian recently turned eighty years old, God bless him. Yeah, you do want those kids to get out fast, and they should start by realizing that there are never more than twelve guards on each level.

Ryan

Is that bit about "before the age of twelve" an Ender's Game reference? I should note that all I know about it is from Dom Noble because I refuse to give it any monetary support.