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Dune: Part Two Reaction! (Patreon)

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Dune: Part Two (2024) - Sesskasays

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Faction Paradox

I didn't think the film could have been any less subtle, but the amount of people who were still cheering as the ships left to commit a genocide against non-believers was staggering

Saltire
>>147638292

Yeah I find the Villeneuve Dune pretty dull though I love the books. However one thing that's done well here is to show how terrible a holy war and the frenzy surrounding a messiah, is.

Thomas Corp
>>147638292

Maybe if Paul had murdered some younglings, the message would have registered better for the people cheering him on at the end.

Ryan

The first Dune film was my best theater experience since Lord of the Rings (and yes, that includes Avengers Endgame). Then this one topped it. Usually I hate when people say this because it sounds so elitist, but in this case I really do feel the need: you haven't had the full experience of these movies unless you've seen them in IMAX. It's an important, deliberate part of the storytelling that you can see every bit of detail in the worldbuilding (or alternately, every grain of sand that's obscuring it), and feel like Hans Zimmer's score is pushing you back in your seat at moments like Paul opening his eyes after taking the Water of Life. And making it sweeter is that this is our first time properly seeing this part of the story on the big screen, since the David Lynch film's main tactic for cramming the book into two hours was to reduce this part to a bunch of montages that are barely intelligible even if you already know the story. One part I was sure would win you over is that Chani gets to be an actual character now rather than just a vague future vision. And she gets a role even expanded far beyond the book, where she's basically just "the love interest," and her continual futile stand against the Fremen getting a white savior gives Zendaya a ton to show her range perhaps more than ever before. Any time someone mocks that part of the story, I just say "Congratulations, you've discovered what this franchise has deliberately been about since 1965!", and it was incredibly gratifying to see the movie go so far in pushing that we're not supposed to root for Paul launching a jihad in the Fremen's name no matter how much we were rooting for his revenge. But of course, there's always some dipshits who are probably the same people complaining about Galadriel in Rings of Power. Also great to see Jessica continue to be a supreme badass, and if Mission Impossible doesn't want her, I'm sure this crew is more than happy to have her (though incidentally, she's now been confirmed to have shot scenes for Dead Reckoning Part 2, so unless that's just an unusually long flashback, the odds are looking up that she's not really dead). After Feyd-Rautha was cut completely from the first film, I kind of assumed his role would just be completely merged with Rabban's, which I was honestly fine with since Dave Bautista could definitely have done a great job with it, and they're both dead by the end anyway. And I do question just how much newbies are able to get attached to him just from his role here, even with that weird 20 minutes where the movie acts like he's the main character. But for what we get, Austin Butler does a great job and it's always great to see a former child star emerge seemingly unscathed and able to continue their career in new ways. He's basically this generation's equivalent of Kurt Russell, down to playing Elvis, and I very much look forward to where else he can go. When it was announced that Christopher Walken was playing the Emperor, my immediate response was to text my family the "I need help reacting to something" gif. After seeing the film, I'm still not sure anything here needed to be him, but I can never say no to a great actor getting great work. He's in the same territory as Nicolas Cage, where everyone immediately thinks of them as just these screaming weirdoes, but if you watch any interviews it quickly becomes clear that they're very smart guys who take their craft extremely seriously, and have just learned how to play into their baser appeal to build up cred for the kind of roles they really want. Plus, it gives me a chance to say he's still after man's red flower, and Paul's response to him should have been "I have to go join the others now on Planet Arrakis." And then there's Irulan, always the greatest bane of any Dune adaptation since her role in the first book is so specifically geared to work in the format of a novel and nothing else. For a while she was going to be in the first film and played by Emma Roberts, and for so many reasons I'm very glad that Villeneuve ended up cutting her there and giving it to Florence Pugh instead this time. The major change from the book beyond the above-mentioned greater hammering in of the message is reducing the time span to less than a year, which has a tremendous domino effect on the rest of the story with Alia not being born yet by the end (it's actually her who kills the Baron in the book, having been born with full adult intelligence and accelerated aging thanks to the Water of Life), and Paul and Chani's romance still being young enough that it feels right she would completely give up on him at the end, rather than in the book where they've already had a child who was killed in the assault on the Sietch. Villeneuve has already started filming Dune Messiah, which he intends to be the end, and I really can't blame him with how deep the other books get into metaphysical mumbo jumbo, and it'll be very interesting to see how he manages to reconcile certain very important plot beats that would seem to be made impossible with this altered ending. In other circumstances I'd be very worried about that, but after these two movies I have full confidence that he knows what he's doing.

Saltire
>>147638292

Anakin is loosely based on him of course, and like Anakin, Paul will decimate the galaxy through the Fremen.

Thomas Corp

Good call on rewatching part one before this. I haven’t seen part one since May of two years ago, though I remembered everything well enough, so I wasn’t lost. I have been consistently enjoying Denis Villeneuve’s work. This two-part adaptation of Dune is solid. Not, I would say, Villeneuve’s best nor my favorite of his work, but solid. Prisoners remains my pick for Villeneuve’s best film/my personal favorite of his work. A film, by the way, that I would have suggested by now for the polls for you to react to, Jess. The thing is that it does contain one or two of your triggers, hence my wariness in suggesting it for you to watch. Unless, of course, you’ve already seen it. Amusing to hear you say that upon your parents seeing parts one and two of this, that your dad quite liked the second part, and how you say your dad is finicky about what he likes, and most of what you watch and react to is not his cup of tea. That’s been me with my parents some; there is generally the shared love and interest in the same stuff. But my mom is quite set on what she likes, my dad, likewise, was the same, though there has been occasions I got my parents into stuff, like the old Universal Monster/Horror films I got into by myself and then got my parents and brother into them. Most of the shows you react to, like you said with your dad, it would not be my stuff my mom would watch, and I don’t see that my dad would have ever wanted to watch most of what you react to. So, shared feelings on that one. Lot to take in with this one. This whole thing does well in expanding the world and lore of part one. Well spoken about how the first part covers well betrayal and running from that, whereas this part dives into faith and the dangers of the extremes of that. With that, it is good that we explore differing points of view on the prophecy. In terms of chosen one prophecies, I’m, of course, partial to the prophecy of the Sith’ari myself. Which, by the way, is not a spoiler to mention that, Jess, as you’ve seen how that played out already. Twas glorious, was it not? This one is not too shabby. Knew you would continue to be invested in the Jessica representation. She kicked things up a notch in this one. Answering your one query: she definitely lost a lot of herself following having the sip of the Water of Life. Or was it blue raspberry? No worries, by the way, on saying blue raspberry is probably your least favorite flavor. I hate raspberry myself; Dad loathed it too, with a fiery passion. Kindly surprised that you were unspoiled by Gurney’s return. I’m still somewhat distracted by how he largely just disappeared in part one, and though an explanation is given, his survival and return feels rushed. Not that I’m one to complain. Loved your reaction to Gurney’s return. I still can’t get over how bizarre as hell it is to see Stilgar and Gurney become friends. In terms of the new cast members, everyone was good, but, I could have used a LOT more Christopher Walken than what we got. During the one scene, I wanted so badly for the Emperor to say something like, “I ask for information about this Muad’dib, and you present to me only a paltry amount? Baron, shame on you.” I assume he wanted to die with defiance, hence his rather poor choice of words at the end. Very much enjoyed your reaction to when Thanos killed Drax, er, I mean when Gurney killed Rabban. The cross-nerd references get confusing sometimes. Love that you made such a joke yourself, and how you observed it being interesting that you were rooting for Thanos in this scenario. Not new for me, I was always rooting for Thanos; the people, the kids especially, crying in the theater was goddamn hilarious. I’m surprised I didn’t get murdered that night for laughing at everyone crying when Thanos succeeded with the Snap. You mentioned getting in a good Rick Grimes head tilt, I would have been agreeable to Gurney getting one in whilst saying that he is... Inevitable. I hear what you’re saying about Feyd-Rautha and that you could have used more of him to sell the threat that he was. What we get was good, more would have been nice. Just as it would have been nice to have more Stellan as the Baron. Alas, no more. But he’ll be back in Andor, so it all works out. Then, of course, there are those damn sandworms. Thirteen percent, wasn’t it? I was concerned about your reactions to them, though they are more worm like rather than snakey-snake, so you are ok.

Thomas Corp

The Life of Brian of the whole Lisan al-Gaib business was hysterical. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing with that, and I had to fight HARD to contain the references I wanted to make whilst watching. Which brings us to one of the big highlights that, as I see the other fellas have mentioned, the greater emphasis on how terrifying it is when Paul gives in to his destiny. I quite liked your reactions to all of that. The whole plotline: Apparently, that’s been the cause of some divided viewer response. I see the comment has been made about how lots of people completely missed the point of what a BAD thing the ending was, and that it is not to be admired. I’ve been hearing that. By contrast, I’ve also been hearing that lots of people who hadn’t read the books/are otherwise unfamiliar with the source material understood what the film was presenting, yet they got thrown by Paul’s descent into madness, darkness, and ruthlessness; it was a development that was not anticipated. The implication being, therefore, that lots of people either have never seen Lawrence of Arabia or haven’t seen it in a long time. Which would also explain why everyone seemed to romanticize and deify Daenerys, and subsequently how everyone was shocked, SHOCKED when the cheese slid off her cracker, severely rushed though said cheese sliding off her cracker’s presentation was in the last two seasons. The whole presentation of Paul’s descent into darkness and madness is done very well, and you feel that sense of unease how villainous it all feels. Even Hans gets in on Paul going the villainous route by having the music of the big attack at the end resemble Bane’s big themes and leitmotifs. The Bene Gesserit do have their hands in practically every cookie jar; you are correct on that one, Jess. And they end with a rather Sith like victory in that even though they technically lose, they do still win. And I assume that they wanted to have at the start of the end credits a dedication reading, “This film is dedicated to the brave Fedaykin fighters of Arrakis.” but then decided it was taking things just a wee bit too far. Bringing us to Chani. I like your investment in her. I’m aware of how you’ve spoken about how you were not brought up religious, nor do you consider yourself such. This contrasts with me being brought up Catholic. I like how you describe kind of relating to Chani and her beliefs; how you can have faith in things without necessarily having any belief in any religious ideas. Loved hearing your thoughts on that. I do confess that the romance between Chani and Paul left me cold. It did not land well for me. Again, another case where my response to a romance plotline that leaves me cold is that I think that the world collectively owes George Lucas an apology, whilst also owing John Williams all the thanks in the world for goddamn carrying that love story on his shoulders. Mind you, I am aware the romance plotline here is from the books. Still. You say you found it cute, well, before it went to shit, anyway, all right, I like that you liked it. Suppose I’m just a cold blackhearted asshole. I probably am. As you observe, Chani is not happy about Paul embracing his destiny, not at all. And when Chani turns her back on Paul, and Paul looks crestfallen, I quip, “You seem surprised, sir.” I would not hold it against her if she did decide to sneak up behind Paul and slit his throat after the one move that he pulled. I think I’d buy her a drink if she did as Paul was MOST uncouth with that one. All in all, like I said, I found this a solid film, that I’m glad you enjoyed, Jess. As to the upcoming series, I do understand that it would take time for you to react to it, if that is what you wished to do. If you wished to view it for yourself, I would not be opposed to that. Likewise, the idea of sharing it with you sounds fun. I would not say no to that. Nice to hear you have the incentive to watch it due to the Vikings actor. I heard that Mark Strong and Olivia Williams are going to be in it, which they provide incentive. The BIG incentive is that, by what I’ve read, the GREAT Emily Watson whom I love is going to headline this series. So, how you mention the show twisting your arm with the casting, that’s definitely me as well hearing Emily will be the star, and I’m saying, “All right... Well played, HBO.” If you wish to react to it, I will share the journey with you. If you wish to view it in your own time, I will be fine with that as well. I leave the decision to you. Thank you for this fun reaction, Jess.

Thomas Corp
>>147642904

Revenge of the Sith may permanently be my favorite cinema going experience. Off the top of my head, since then, ones that have stood out are Black Swan and Shutter Island. Hugo. Les Misérables was magnificent in the theater Seeing Lincoln with my mom was great, and practically everything that year was terrific as 2012’s perhaps my favorite year of film in my lifetime thus far. I know you’ve said last year for you, I’ll get to that in a second. Prisoners was a standout in the theater. The Grand Budapest Hotel and Birdman. Seeing Gone Girl with my dad was a real good time. Logan was a hell of a trip. You say “(and yes, that includes Avengers Endgame)” more than fair. Fun though that one was in the theater, I preferred Infinity War. Plus, 2019, the two best experiences in the theater for me were Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood, especially for the shared crowd reactions on that one, and definitely The Rise of Skywalker on opening night. I wish I had seen The Irishman in the theater. Last year, the two standouts that I caught in the theater were Indiana Jones on opening night with my mom, and Killers of the Flower Moon. I know that next week, a buddy of mine and I are going to have a REAL fun time at the theater. Missed both parts of Dune in theaters. I agree though that there are films that demand to be seen on a big screen. It’s why I love rereleases. Like seeing The Shining in theaters is mesmerizing. I caught Die Hard for its thirtieth anniversary; the sound system was amazing. And getting to see Bela Lugosi as Dracula on a big screen followed by the Spanish language version of the film right after was FANTASTIC. Still need to round out my top five Hitchcock films in the theater. I got my top three of Vertigo, Rear Window, and Psycho in, and they were all wonderful on a big screen. I was not as upset as it seems everyone else was over Chani’s small role in part one. One, you know that there would be a part two, thus you would assume she would have an expanded role given the star power. The other thing is that I seem to have not fully jumped on the Zendaya hype train. Actually, the same applies to Timothée Chalamet. I’m not saying they’re bad, rather, they’ve felt oversold, in my opinion. They are good here, flimsy though I found the romance to be. Chani did have strong energy in trying to get people to see that they were falling for a bullshit white savior narrative. Good venting on the people being slow to the plot. Shared respect for how the film doesn’t pull punches with that. I haven’t seen Rings of Power, thus I can’t speak intelligently about that. Jessica was certainly a supreme badass. No wonder Tom Cruise had her killed off, as his fragile ego can’t take being overshadowed. Though like you note, there does seem to be ample evidence that they’re going to pull a “Somehow, Ilsa returned.” type shebang in Dead Reckoning Part Two. What we do get of Feyd-Rautha is great. I needed SO much more Christopher Walken. I’ll take him in anything, though I note his perfect role is probably in Sleepy Hollow; Roger Ebert even called that casting the only logical choice. That Emperor, he’s got a fever, and the only prescription is man’s red flower. And of course, when Paul is victorious, he’s probably got it in his head that when this is all over, he’ll be wearing gold plated diapers. Hadn’t heard about Emma Roberts being originally cast as Irulan. I don’t think I would have been strictly speaking opposed to that, though I do like that we got Florence Pugh. The timeline change should be interesting how it effects future developments. I heard Villeneuve has been fairly upfront that he was doing three and that’s it. Curious how he’ll wrap things up. I’ve loved all his films that I’ve seen, so there is the shared confidence.

Ryan
>>147642904

I've found Chalamet to have a profound lack of screen presence, which ironically makes him perfect casting as Paul Atreides, whose whole deal is "What if the subject of a Chosen One prophecy really was just some random jackass, and constantly filling his head about his grand destiny was profoundly damaging to his psyche?" The RIngs of Power issue is that it portrays Galadriel as overly headstrong and constantly screwing up, which a bunch of idiots say makes her a bad hero, even though she's obviously deliberately being written like that, presumably so she can develop into the version we're familiar with. There was a popular thing on Twitter for a while to put different Walken quotes into the world of Dune. Pulp Fiction was probably the most popular one, but I went with Nick of Time: "I put a Shai Hulud tooth in his eye. Then two more just to be sure. Now, that was someone I loved. I loved him! But the Sardaukar got the call, and I put him down like a sick Muad'Dib."

Thomas Corp
>>147642904

Yeah, he’s a good enough actor, just not much presence to him. Which does work for his casting as Paul as you note. The portrayal of Galadriel, I get how that would be jarring considering how we’re used to the character, but if it’s done well enough, written well enough, I don’t see how it’s that big a problem. And as you say, she’ll likely develop into the Galadriel we all know and love. Again, not seen the show myself, so I can’t weigh in too much. I could see Pulp Fiction being the popular one to use with the Dune quotes. I’d have Batman Returns on the brain as I mentioned in my own comment. Or you could go simple and go somewhat obscure with The Country Bears, with, “THIS IS NOT OVER!! FREMEN!!!” Speaking of The Country Bears, that was my introduction to Christopher Walken.

Ryan
>>147659132

Brolin wrote that song himself. Apparently he writes poems about every single role he's in and they just happened to decide this one should be in the movie, after Gurney's musical hobby was totally unseen in the first film (beyond Paul's line "I'd rather have a song" which was rather more hilarious until we now know he actually meant it). And now I desperately want to see some of those others. It especially can hurt Feyd's impact that they take out what to me was the cleverest part of the Baron's plan: winning over the locals by first sending in Piter (David Dastmalchian in the first movie) as a horrible tyrant, before Feyd arrives to "save" them from him. And then when Piter dies in Duke Leto's poison attack, the Baron simply substitutes Rabban in the tyrant role, showing how ruthless he is in sacrificing his nephew without a care.

Ryan
>>147659137

I can only assume the people who accuse Denis Villeneuve of not having a sense of humor just weren't paying attention during this one. And all the stuff with Stilgar gets even funnier when you remember Javier Bardem has an Oscar for playing a cynical nihilist. The interesting thing is the first book ends with what could easily come off as just a straightforward heroic victory for Paul and he doesn't descend to this level until the second book, which now comes with a decades-later forward by Brian Herbert recalling how his father got a ton of hate mail for spoiling their hero, not realizing this was always his plan. What pisses me off even more than people not getting that this isn't supposed to be a happy ending is when they act like Chani turning away from Paul is purely because of his marrying someone else, especially since the book ends with her perfectly accepting that it's purely for show. Granted, that has its own aspects of not aging well, with literally the very last line being Jessica assuring her that history will remember them both as the true wives of Leto and Paul respectively (rather than any of their own actions), but you have to be trying to miss the full implications there.

Ryan
>>147642904

I'm 75% sure his goofing around in the office and crushing the Bear Hall model is just them running the camera and letting him do whatever the hell he wanted, including the clothes.

Thomas Corp
>>147659137

People are accusing Villeneuve of not having a sense of humor? That one’s news to me. I lost it at the part where Stilgar practically outright says, “Only the true Lisan al-Gaib denies his divinity.” In between the laughter, you want to quote, “WHAT!? Well what sort of chance does THAT give him!?” Also, you expected Paul to yell “FUCK OFF!!” to the fanatics, and Stilgar to ask, “...How shall we fuck off, oh Lisan al-Gaib?” It all becomes funnier when Javier’s Oscar win is for Chigurh, and he’s probably the best Bond Villain of Craig’s run. Kind of sucks to hear Herbert got the hate mail. The betrothal to Irulan likely doesn’t help Paul’s case, but to say Chani’s rejection is solely based on that is simply blatantly false. To your one point, her actions in the book have their own problematic elements especially by today’s standards. In this film, I thought it was rather obvious that she’s rejecting Paul as he’s going down a path she can’t follow; her allegiance is to her people, to Arrakis. And she won’t stand by and just do nothing. Shaky feelings I have on the romance aside, I respect her rejection of Paul at the end of this.

Ryan
>>147642904

And speaking of Rise of Skywalker, my big joke leading up to this movie was that Oscar Isaac would jump out during the final battle and say "Somehow I returned, bitches!"

Thomas Corp
>>147642904

*Emperor Palpatine cackle* That man would be owed all the free drinks in the world if he did that. Same with Villeneuve, who I would say to such a thing, “Villeneuve, you magnificent bastard, I LOVE YA!!!”

Lucas
>>147638292

Are they killing all non-believers or just those not accepting Paul's ascendancy as emperor? I've not read the books and it reads like the latter though with all the talk of a holy war I can imagine it does develop into killing non-believers.

Sesskasays
>>147638292

I can’t remember exactly how I felt after watching it but I think how I registered it was similar to Lucas. And tbh I think I’m absolutely getting spoiled on Paul’s arc with these comments.

Thomas Corp
>>147638292

To be fair, there’s never a guarantee with stuff transitioning from page to screen, and stuff’s been different already. Makes you feel any better, Jess, I’m not refamiliarizing myself with the source material so that I’m somewhat in the dark, though there is still a reasonably strong surmise as to where it’s all headed. Point taken though on how we likely spoiled you on what’s to come.

Faction Paradox
>>147638292

I've only ever seen the films so my original post was entirely based on my assessment of them. I'm sorry for my part in you getting spoiled.

Dave Hampton

Took me a bit to get to this. I am not a huge Dune fan, but I do not dislike it. I thought the first movie was ok. I liked this one much more. I have only read the first book of the series, but I have heard the (4th?) book is amazing which I think is where part 3 is heading by skipping around but I am not sure. Overall, I think this is a fine version of the book but some differences from what I remember (the sister not being born was one for sure). My memory of it is vague though. As for the series on HBO, unless I hear really amazing stuff about it, I will probably pass on it. Others may be into it though.