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Ryan

Like I said before, I stopped watching the show after Charlie’s death, but I did hear that this finale is a bit wonky because most of the season was made under the assumption it would be the end of the show (as George Carlin put it, it’s a decimal, it’s a decade, it’s a psychologically satisfying number). So when the CW turned out to not yet be ready to give up their biggest cash cow, they had to quickly throw together a more open ending, and what they came up with was abruptly revealing the nature of the Mark of Cain to be completely different than we were always told. Which leads into a complete copy of the end of Season 8 with one of the brothers saying “Fuck the rest of the world, they can all suffer in Hell forever as long as we can have a bit more time together.”

Thomas Corp

Ok, well first off, you got the Carry On recap for this finale. I watched the episode, and it wasn’t there, and past season finales I’ve seen had it. Hmm, must have hit a wrong button or something. Good to see that you loved how they wrapped up the season. Complete with some repeat thoughts, like you said. Dean was going through it at the beginning. You said, “Dean is a big ball of sunshine in this episode.” I became puzzled by that statement and said, “...As opposed to... pretty much every other episode?” Shame about Rudy, as he seemed to be all right. It is really sad that two episodes in a row that Crowley provides the levity/positive energy. It is a hell of a thing when we reveal the existence of someone Rowena loves, and it’s not Crowley. And it’s revealed to be that guy in the diner from last episode. Which would explain the seemingly extraneous scene, which I was, I was wondering about that. I hear you on loving the Crowley and Rowena scenes. When it’s damn good acting, especially between two villains, I relish it myself. When Rowena accused Crowley of cruelty, I so badly wanted Crowley to say, “Misery, misery, misery, that’s what you’ve chosen. I offered you friendship, and you spat in my face.” Then again, he does get the rather good retort in response to Rowena calling him cruel by accurately noting that it only actually becomes cruelty if Rowena goes through with the killing. And she does the damn thing, then gets the iconic exit as you called it. Or it would have been if she had pulled up a chair to watch Castiel and Crowley kill each other and delayed her exit. But no, instead she’s going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, and she’ll just assume it all went to plan. Dean does truly reach the point of desperation when he summons Death himself. Good to see Julian again. Figured you would approve of the choice of food bribery. I’m more partial to Italian food myself, though I seriously doubt that Dean could recreate my grandma’s sauce. He could present a big pot of bagna càuda, that would do the trick. Failing that, a nice steak or two would suffice. Love Death explaining about the Darkness, and why he won’t remove the Mark. Julian got a great acting moment of reacting by not reacting upon seeing the Mark. That pause spoke volumes. Bringing us to the big emotional scene. It would be nicer if I was more agreeable to Sam’s assertions of them being good men, though I do applaud the effort. It really would be easier if they accepted that they are bad men, and much though they do keep the wicked men from the door, the harm they do cause does pile up as the years go by. Quick sidenote, during the scene you made the Buffy reference. I keep noting how you make consistent Buffy references, and I don’t understand half of them. Or, well, two thirds of them. Three quarters, more probably. I had a similar subdued reaction to Sam’s plea. When he pulls out the pictures is a moment that made me go, “...damn”. Now to talk about the one negative of you could foresee that Dean wasn’t going to do it. The reasonably leisurely pace that they took with setting up the idea of Dean killing Sam does start to hint that it wouldn’t happen. That said, you admit you got as close to believing it could happen as possible whilst still retaining that doubt. I surmise that speaks to your greater emotional investment and love in Sam and Dean. Well, certainly, you love Dean a hell of a lot more than I do, that’s for goddamn sure. Sam, I would say, you hold greater love for as well, though I note I seem to be nicer to Sam than Dean most of the time. Your assessment of that scene, by the way, did make sense, and I understood what you were saying. I get the anxiety you mentioned. You are far better than I would be in your shoes, Jess. My Asperger’s, ADD, mild OCD, not a good mix in trying to sound coherent when giving post-episode thoughts. So, you sound clear and insightful, were I to try it, it looks nasty. I will disagree with you saying that the boys are the heart of the show. No, Bobby was the heart of the show. They killed him, then Charlie filled the void and became the heart of the show. And now she’s dead too, thus the show is heartless. Your reaction to Dean swinging the blade into Death was terrific. I’m still curious if Dean meant to do that as he looked and sounded like Vincent after he shot Marvin in the face. I hope that Death is not dead, as I need more of Julian in this show. I will say that I LIVED for Julian’s “Well, SHIT.” look prior to death claiming Death. (It seems.) In any event, the dire consequences are here, complete with a Lost reference form you, leading to my one customary joke, “A fucking polar bear shows up, I’m leaving.” I’m assuming the part of Darkness will not be played by the legendary Tim Curry. One, because if I have dates right, this was around the time it became known how debilitating the stroke that Tim sadly suffered in 2012 was. Two, if Tim IS Darkness in this, I would have known about that by now. Unless such casting genuinely slipped under my radar, in which case, I yell at the world, “Right. Ok, people, you have to tell me these things!!” Regardless, a tight spot to end the season on. Thank you for the enjoyable reaction, Jess.

Virginia Slothour-Hudnall

At Comic Con 2013, prior to the renewal for season 10, showrunner Jeremy Carver said, "I have an obligation to plan forward for an arc, but also to keep the show in a position where, if they wanted to go for season 11, 12… 19, it can." CW President Mark Pedowitz said, "I would love Supernatural to continue, as long as they have great storytelling to tell. From what I’ve read so far and seen in Jeremy Carver’s plans, he’s creating arcs that can go longer. As long as the fan base is there and the ratings are there, there’s no reason why it couldn’t continue." http://supernaturalwiki.com/Category:Season_10 In January 2015, TVLine described the CW's renewal of Supernatural for season 11 as one of "eight(!) early renewals." https://web.archive.org/web/20160229132025/http://tvline.com/2015/01/11/renewed-arrow-season-4-supernatural-flash-jane-the-virgin/ I'm not seeing a lot of evidence that the creative team was "so" sure that the show was going to end with S10 that the second half of S10 was "slapped together." Every season had some kind of pivot. The solution to the apocalypse in season 5 was ALSO "completely different than we were always told." The whole point is that the Winchesters manage to pull a solution to a seemingly-impossible problem out of their hats through sheer determination (and love & loyalty, cunning & courage) every time. If you choose to describe the SPN finales in the broadest possible terms, they're all repetitions. It's ALWAYS "The Winchesters save the day" (S5, S7) or "The Winchesters try but fail to save the day" (S4, S6) — or "The Winchesters save each other" (S8, S10) or "The Winchesters try but fail to save each other" (S3, S9). Or, if you want to be even more reductive: "The good guys win (or mostly win)" or "The bad guys win (or mostly win)."

Ryan

I remember thinking they had clearly run out of ideas for what to do with Crowley somewhere in Season 7, but Mark Sheppard was so popular they couldn't bring themselves to get rid of him.