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Star Trek: TNG 4x16 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2025-07-05 17:00:09
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Star Trek TNG 4×16 Full Reaction

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Ryan

It's been a while since we had to pull out the phrase "This didn't age well" for this show. Can't say I missed it. And I feel especially bad for you since it's all at Geordi's expense. The good news is that apart from that, we have the whole story with the alien baby, which is always engaging and quite daring for the show. The inevitable happens when you put a white whale in front of Patrick Stewart, and the whole crew is just left having to feel horrible about the thing they did that they can do absolutely nothing to fix, and can only mitigate by saving the baby. Patrick's "Look what we have just done" carries every bit of that weight, in which he's probably also reliving what he was forced to do by the Borg. But then we have to also talk about everything with Leah Brahms, and one of the most uncomfortable of your reactions I've ever seen. And it starts out promising enough, with him saying he has no romantic expectations, but every single scene afterward just makes it worse, with poor Levar looking like he's in physical pain having to act it out. And it's not like this kind of story can't be done well; just check out the awesome movie Gambit, where Michael Caine imagines a whole scenario where he hires Shirley MacClaine to help with a heist, in which she just silently goes along with whatever he asks, and then he meets the real person who's nothing like what he imagined and keeps messing the scheme up. Of course, one key difference is that these are all new characters in one movie rather than someone we've known for years and can tell when he's out of character. And despite being more than two decades older, it has a much more appropriate attitude to the situation where Caine's frustrations are all played for laughs rather than our being expected to sympathize with him. The episode even looks like it's going that way with Guinan's perfect response to all the shit Geordi lays on her, except then the holodeck program comes into it. Just like you put it, all this could have so easily been avoided if he'd just revealed the whole thing from the start, but seeing it after all the time they've spent, his having the nerve to get upset that she goes to the obvious conclusion is easily the worst he ever gets in the entire show. And it's especially weird after he handled the whole Barclay situation with such delicacy and tact. Now here he is getting so defensive off the bat that I actually end up suspecting he really does have more programs of her somewhere, and if she'd stayed any longer she definitely would have seen him playing with his dolls again. This is all courtesy of a script by Maurice Hurley, ie the guy who harassed Gates off the show for a year, and I have no idea what they were doing bringing him back, and this won't even be the last time. I'm also compelled to say that despite knowing how unlikely it was for the time, on my first viewing I was really hoping that Brahms' turning Geordi down was because she was gay. "Totally a Vervoid lady. I didn't know you needed that spelled out." So there's one more letdown. At least this one's behind you now, and I promise you'll never have to see Geordi like this again.

Geordie Joe

Sorry to hear about your trouble sleeping, Jess. Yeah, the writing for the episode's conclusion between Geordi and Leah isn't great. It feels slightly rushed I think. The plot involving the space creatures saves this episode from being the season's first dud. The Geordi and Leah plot just falls flat for me. Not an episode I rewatch very often. Looking forward to next week's reaction. It's another one of my favourite episodes from this season.

Thomas Corp

As mentioned in the Squid Game reactions, shared thing of having the week...ish of shit sleep. And I hear you on the being easily annoyed and frustrated by plenty as a result. Thankfully, you have a Geordi episode, and seeing your delightful realization of that fact was glorious, Jess. Sadly, however, as you later bemoaned, this was not QUITE the Geordi episode you were wanting. Hence... Fasten our seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night, as you say. Start with part of the space baby plot, which is really good. Great showcasing of the crew comes across a being, they are in awe, the being attacks forcing them to retaliate, and you see the weight of that felt with the crew, Picard especially. Even with the “You did what you had to do.” mentality, which on some level Picard recognizes, Patrick sells absurdly well the guilt that a life was lost and he’s essentially the one that took it. Adored your own reactions to that. And then they find out about the baby, and they did the work. Love Beverly coming up with the plan and doing the work. The effects do pull you out of it some. You laughed, and said, “Look at those effects.”, me, I joked, “Holy dated cgi, Batman!” Culminating in Gates having the bit of fun with the “Congratulations, Jean-Luc, it’s a... Junior.” type of line, and Patrick superbly selling Picard offering his compliments to Beverly. More on the resolution in a second. First, we get to the “Well, that didn’t age too well” aspects. Love how you recalled the previous Geordi episode of which this one’s a continuation, because of course you did as it’s a Geordi episode. I recalled this one, and once a few lines were said, I said, “Oh, boy. We’re at this one.” Good to see Susan Gibney as Leah again, er, or...for the first time? There is the really great set up of Leah is set in her ways about her designs and how they should work, and she bristles at Geordi’s modifications. We could have had more of that instead of the, uh, not great material. It’s a weird thing of it feels like the story works in a sense of sympathy is on both sides, and indeed, I’m sympathetic to both characters. Something that undermines the proceedings is that there’s the STRONG undercurrent that the intention is that you’re supposed to side with the man in this occasion, and that does not work here, even if it is Geordi. And I agree with you that you don’t mind so much our characters being in the wrong/doing questionable things, (and hell, me being a villains guy, I certainly can’t fault that,) though it gets irksome when the narrative seems to expect you to find a character blameless in certain respects. The presentation of Geordi in this one is off, feels wrong. I think LeVar’s mentioned feeling much the same in recent years. For one thing, I don’t recall the hologram Leah having dialogue from what sounds like a dime store sci-fi romance in the previous episode. And just his whole attitude and demeanor skirts the line of being too overly aggressive. You are willing to be perhaps kinder than if this were other characters, but Geordi does come across the way he did. There are the spots or two when he gets perilously close to outright saying that he knows when Leah was born and where. That he knows all sorts of things about her. He knows her height, her weight, and her Social Security number. That she’s had mumps, and had measles, and she had her appendix out. That last part he would do well not to mention about the appendix to the fellas in the office, as we wouldn’t want them to get the wrong idea about how he found out. She understandably responded by setting some boundaries, we both liked that, cutting the one dinner short. I love Geordi’s sweater in that scene by the way, and it shows how distressed you are with the writing for Geordi in this episode that you never commented on it. There is some SIGNIFICANT dissonance when you aren’t entirely vibing with Geordi, and we’re not even in the mirror universe, so we can’t even have that excuse to fall back on. One nice thing is that although not happy to learn about it, Geordi does respect the boundaries when Leah says that she’s married. A minor detail that the computer seems to have overlooked. We both loved everything about Guinan’s scenes, loved your reactions to that. Bringing us to the really unfortunate spot when the cat’s out of the bag. And it’s the topic that should have been broached sooner. To Geordi’s defense, there is question as to how Geordi would lead with that conversation. You even acknowledge it would be mighty uncomfortable. People have noted that they don’t know how exactly Geordi was supposed to fess up without coming across as a creep, and I mull it over, and all I can say is, “...No, I can’t think of a good possible explanation, no.” To his further defense, I mean, yes, far as we know, it’s not like he has some sort of USS Callister set-up with this. But it’s not unreasonable for Leah to jump to that conclusion. And she has more than every right to be upset. You liken the situation (Not Geordi.) to the aggressive incel sounding stalkers. And you spoke of how that made you really side with Leah. Yeah, I can see how that would strike the chord with you, Jess, and why you took some serious exception to the writing having Geordi saying he only offered friendship. And you did give some credit how you’ve said that you’ve had the long declarations of love and proposals of marriage, which yeah, Geordi never actually says anything about that, nor does he QUITE get there, but he did get about as close to it as goddamn possible, so, that scene is quite unpalatable, as you put it. And I can see how it hurt to feel this way about Geordi. Then again, you say that you’re more mad at whoever wrote this. I look up and see that this is a Maurice Hurley (Fucking rat bastard) script, see Ryan mentioned much the same, so we can blame him. And since he’s the cause of the year without Beverly, and now we see what he did to Geordi, making you all but outright say, “Look how they massacred my boy.”, we can both share him being on our respective shitlists, if that makes you feel any better. It is nice when Geordi and Leah do set aside differences to get the damn thing done with spoiling the milk. Shared thing of Leah really had nothing to apologize for. Tellingly, Geordi says as much. There’s still the irksome part, as you noted how we don’t get much indication that he acknowledges that he was in the wrong/he owns up to his faults, and that just. Doesn’t. Feel. Right. You say that you could have just pointed to the Guinan scene to save time, I could have done the same thing with your comments, though I have now chattered away. This is one of the cases of perfect summaries and commentaries that you have following the episode. And it does the heart good to know that of course the episode does nothing to deter your customary placing your hand on your heart for Geordi in the credits. Always makes me smile seeing that. All in all, a lovely, eloquent, most excellent reaction, Jess, thank you so much.

Carrot

Jess - Hopes this episode cheers her up Me - Realizes it's Galaxy's Child "oh no" I generally like Geordi, but whenever there's a woman he has a crush on he becomes a walking red flag. And what's worse is, I get the feeling that the writers want us to be on his side.

Josef Schiltz

Really could have done without the whole Leah Brahms - Geordi stuff. It didn't do a ton for the character at all. Though, with that sort of technology, it's not an implausible occurrence and we've already seen Riker fall for a holodeck generated vision and that had some definitely creepy dialogue as well.

Jenny Chalek

Just wanted to comment on the beautiful blue jewelry pieces you were wearing. And also to say, I'm so sorry they didn't give Geordi a better episode. Like, even if Geordi had fully acknowledged how inappropriate he was and apologized for what he did it would have been better. I would like to think Geordi would have been more apologetic, in my head canon about him.

Vanessa J McNamara

I know I’m way behind and normally I don’t write on old ones because they probably never get read. But just in case you do, I just wanted to say I’m so sorry there is actual stalking going on in your life. I’m not surprised because I know the internet can be a cesspool, but I just never think of it. Of course it’s going to add to your reaction and I have to say your assessment is straight on as far as I’m concerned. From a writing standpoint, I agree the end was weak. I’m a person who thinks people get way too offended these days especially when it comes to fiction. Examining flawed people’s motives are part of the enjoyment of the work, if it’s written well. But this one definitely has issues. The reactions of Geordi and Leah seem off, like they had to cut scenes out. It’s almost like they added the baby subplot in as an afterthought. Perhaps they meant us to believe that last scene came after other discussions about what happened but that would have been extremely lazy and just plain bad writing. The bright spot was Patrick Stewart’s acting when he realised they had killed the creature.