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Supernatural 2x17 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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2020-12-23 15:12:04
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Toasted Toad

I had wondered how this one would affect you. I thought you might be upset as you identify with Sam, but this episode does not really stand up to repeat viewings. Mainly because - well - how long has Sam known Madison? A couple of days? And part of that time he had her tied up and terrified. It's not a long enough time to create a love story for the ages. Also, I think Jared overacts at the end. Sometimes, less is more. His acting has improved drastically over the series. But it's Dean who really moves me at the end - hurting so much for his brother, unable to take away his pain. We get our first clear glimpse of Jensen's OPT - "one perfect tear", as it was nicknamed by the crew (we have actually seen it before behind the funeral pyre for their dad, but it was mostly obscured behind the flames). It's nicknamed "a single man tear" by the fandom, but I hate that name. As you've already seen, fraternal love is a major theme going through SPN, but sadly, so is pain and guilt. In the first half of the season, you saw Dean carrying around a heavy burden (although you didn't know what it was). Now you see Sam, but in his case, you know the source of his problem.

Nicole Sutula

It’s hardly about the romance. Sam wants to save her. Not because she’s a pretty girl. It’s not about that. He wants to save her because she’s a person. Because she’s bright, and charming, and she makes him laugh. Because she’s impressive. And strong. Using the bad things that happen, letting them make her tougher. He’s also kinda desperate to find another way because, as Jess (and Sam himself) points out, he completely identifies with her situation. Not to mention, this is literally the first person he’s let himself be intimate with since Jessica died two seasons ago. That’s a big deal, for someone who doesn’t just sleep with anyone who’ll have him. Sex means something to Sam. When he gives himself over to someone like that, it matters. Y She’s also, for the most part, human. He’s not taking the life of someone who has actively chosen to do anything wrong. Sam has, for two seasons, always been all about we save the innocents. And we don’t kill people. He hates taking life. He’s always the one pushing to find another way, when one can be found. Here, he’s forced into a position where he can’t save the innocent, AND he has to kill a person. Murder her. That’s a fucking lot to take on. Especially when he’s already terrified of his own evil. He’s seeing his own fate, here. How he thinks his own story is gonna end. Dead because of a darkness inside him, one that is beyond his control. Begging someone he cares for, who cares for him, to save him from himself. And HE has to be the fire the shot. I can’t imagine the strength it took to walk into that room. To do what he did. The courage, and the grace, it required, to take that weight onto his own soul. When it was the last thing he wanted to do. The last thing he needed to add to his conscience. It’s fine not to identify with Sam. Most viewers seem not to. But to reduce this story to some rushed love plot is to miss absolutely everything that’s actually going on. And ya know, acting doesn’t always mean a single tear. Sometimes you really just do break down. It’s a real emotion. Men can cry. Sob. Weep, even. Tragedy deserves it. And Madison’s fate here is tragic. With or without the implications and impact it has on Sam.

George Teed
>>50052154

I really love Jared's acting at the end, but your opinion is fair too and I totally see where you're coming from. I think both of the boys do a great job of portraying their sadness in that moment, and both felt really in-character for me. Either way, really strong moment

Rue Surnameunimportant

Not gonna type an essay, but I really, really loved your reaction. I adore Sam, and oftentimes he is ignored by reactioners almost purely. It's awesome to get to watch someone who gives him any time of day. I loveee this episode. Thank you so much for that. < 3 I felt your pain haha.

Toasted Toad
>>50057918

Oh, it's defiitely about the romance. It's about the other things you say too, but is also depicted as being about heartbreak - about Sam beginning to love again and having to kill the object of that love. It's just too soon. For drama, he feels he has to fire the shot, but he doesn't really. Dean would have done it for him. It would then have been on his conscience, not Sam's, but as we all know, Dean represses like crazy. And yes, men can cry - even flat out bawl - and I've nothing against that, but I think Jared over-eggs this. He becomes much more subtle with his acting. I don't think there's anything wrong with seeing an actor's improvement over 15 years.

Toasted Toad
>>50068973

Some people find Sam, especially ealy seasons Sam, to be a bit whiney. I think they wrote better for him later. I've always been a Dean girl, but I appreciate Sam too. This programme would not work without the both of them, and to dislike one brother kind of ignores the heart of it.

Rue Surnameunimportant
>>50068973

I mean, a lot of people also find Dean to be a dick, but I'm just sharing my experience. I was a Dean fella but then I started to notice he is a touch selfish and not as complex after watching for a while. I still love them both. I came in pre-pilot so I was super excited about the horror aspect and then I became fond of their bond. I agree disliking one would suck, but I notice oftentimes people do not "dislike" so much as "ignore" Sam. It's sad.

Nicole Sutula

It’s not “for drama” that Sam feels he has to fire the shot. First off, Madison asked HIM. How could Sam not do this one last thing for her? It’s her life. He’s not going to turn his back on her last request. On the only way he has left to help her. He also gets wanting someone who cares about you, specifically, to be the one to....set you free, for lack of a better way to put it. After all, that’s why he’s asked Dean to be the one to do it for him, should it become necessary. He’s gonna ask that of Dean, then wimp out when it’s his turn? Not that Madison is to Sam as Sam is to Dean, but the parallels here are undeniable. And Sam just isn’t that small. That weak. Just because his strength is so much quieter, that doesn’t make him lesser. Also, and I feel this goes completely overlooked- Sam tries not to hurt Dean. He really does. Yes, if he’s lost himself, he’s asked Dean to be the one to help him. But he also was determined to be the one to take HIMSELF out when he was infected with the demon virus. He wanted Dean gone, somewhere safe and far away, so that he could kill himself and Dean wouldn’t have to see it happen. As long as he’s in control, at all, he will take himself out before making Dean have to live with that. Sam knows the weight Dean carries. And he knows how much of it he’s responsible for. Believe me, he knows it. But he’s also never asked for any of this. None of it, any of it, is his fault. His choice. He feels guilty about all of it anyway. And he does his best to help take on some of that weight from Dean, when he can. Not add to it. He’s not gonna put this on Dean. It’s his responsibility. His to carry. He will, absolutely, not add this to his brother’s conscience. Not when he can take it on himself instead.