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Star Trek: TOS 1x12 Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2021-08-28 19:00:03
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2026-06
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LatePaul

Great reaction. I think you raise some interesting points. I do think this is one of those times when Star Trek is both being progressive for its time and also reflecting some of its worst attitudes. We have a female second in command of Pike's ship, but we also have a lot that's just plain sexist nonsense. I think you can find more generous interpretations, like the fact that maybe Vina couldn't physically leave the planet, but I think those sit alongside the more straight-forward ones. Also it's not just gender stuff. The idea that a green woman is so seductive that men can hardly resist her could be read as the way women of colour have been treated as "exotic" in a demeaning way. And then there's Pike in his chair. First of all, can we talk about the fact that a society that can build transporters can't do better than a blink-once-for-yes-twice-for-no light? Even if they can't you could get a board with the letters of the alphabet and some common words and point at them. But that aside, it's uncomfortable to me that they're almost saying a disabled person who can't communicate well is so lacking in their life that they'd be better off as literal slaves. I think where I do cut them some slack is that they made a two-parter from an existing unaired story. So in order to do that they come up with this framing story of Spock kidnapping Pike. And so switching the view of the Talosians from the villains to being OK to leave people with, whilst jarring, is partly a result of having to work with existing elements. If they'd come up with that from a blank piece of paper I'd be more critical. All of that said, there's still a lot to enjoy here.

Sougent

I like to think Vina stayed more because she was somewhat disabled and would have a more enjoyable life with the illusions than in the real world. Pike returning was logical, he couldn't have much of a life as he was but with the illusion he could do anything. Plus, at the end Pike offered the possibility of working with the Talosians to help them preserve their civilization so I don't see him returning to be a slave but with his knowledge and life experience he might be able to work with the Talosians to figure out how to fix the machines and stuff. In any event, he'll get a life with Vina and the Talosians will get riveting "television" to mentally watch to pass the time.