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The Sandman 1x04 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Ryan

So here's a fun little quirk of canon: despite having almost nothing in common in practice, the Lucifer and Mazikeen in this episode are technically the same characters as Luci and Maze in the Fox/Netflix show Lucifer, which was adapted from a comic spinoff of The Sandman. And despite all the predictable pissing and moaning when a woman was cast as Lucifer, Gwendoline Christie actually has much more of a resemblance to the way he's drawn in those comics than the other show's actor Tom Ellis. And despite Christie saying that Wednesday was the first time she's ever felt attractive in her life, this look really does things to me, along with that effortless regal and commanding presence, which is probably why the show introduces the whole thing with "champions," when in the comic Choronzon simply does the battle himself. This is one of the comic's big iconic scenes, with Gaiman simply letting his imagination run wild and often getting comparisons to the Wizard's Duel from Disney's The Sword and the Stone, though this one goes even farther than that scene's winning move of becoming an illness. And if anyone was wondering, the direwolf is straight from the original, before even the source material for Game of Thrones was written, so it's not a reference to Christie's role on the show, though I do suspect the opportunity to have her say those lines helped get her cast.

Thomas Corp

An excellent episode that you reacted to so perfectly, Jess. Start by talking about the hellish plotline. I knew in advance who was playing Lucifer. Though when it comes to fictional portrayals of the Lord of Darkness, it is, of course, impossible to dethrone Tim Curry. Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer, however, is a most wonderful pick for the part. The battle of wits between her and Morpheus was great; it felt like The Sword in the Stone as I see Ryan has said that comparisons to that are frequent. Yeah, as soon as I heard “serpent” I knew you wouldn’t be happy with it, unsurprising though it is, considering the bible. You inquired about bunnies, I said, “Well, Jess, sadly old Scratch didn’t appear before Eve as a cute little bunny rabbit, so you’re shit out of luck on that one. Which is a shame as that hypothetical rabbit’s dynamite.” It is great how Morpheus wins with hope. As you say, the word can feel much like a platitude, yet there is power to it. I’d have been a wiseass in Lucifer’s place by saying, “The question is “What is it that kills hope?” Well, there’s the usual: working retail, overthinking and crippling anxiety, tech week whilst putting on a play and/or musical. Mind you, in the case of the last one, it is a specific hope that is killed. That being the hope that one manages to obtain any food or sleep during the duration of tech week. Still with us, Dreamlord? No? Mm. Alas.” It is lovely how Morpheus tries to send Matthew back to Lucienne, and Matthew digging his talons in and refusing to leave Morpheus behind. Other highlights were Lucifer’s line “But tools are the subtlest of traps. We become reliant upon them and in their absence, we are vulnerable, weak, defenseless.” and how you responded, “That’s how I feel when I lose my phone.” I deadpanned in response, “It’s how I feel when my watch dies on me. And mind you, that’s a plain, ordinary, analog watch that I refer to.” It was great when you called out the demon for not abiding by the rules; as Crowley said, “This isn’t Wall Street, this is Hell! We have a little something called integrity!” Then there was your observation of “That is a long time to hold a grudge.” I said, “...Maybe. Who am I to judge?” Now onto the plotline of John and Rosemary, and Susie. You know a plotline is superb when you just wish that and only that was the sole focus of the episode. I loved how quickly you got invested in Rosemary. That says a lot for Sarah Niles being brilliant in the role. Likewise, lovely to see you become protective of Susie. As someone who is not a dog person, I stand by your relating to Rosemary when she implores John to not hurt Susie. If my cat were still alive, I’d say much the same of do as you will to me, just don’t harm her. The whole sequence is where the casting of David as John works beautifully. You remember him as the warm and compassionate Professor Lupin, but then you remember he’s been killing it in villainous roles as of late, such as V. M. Varga in Fargo who is seriously one of the best villains of television within the last ten years, or at least one of my favorites. And the energy David is bringing is STRONGLY reminiscent of Varga, particularly with his speeches and monologues, which greatly pleases me. I love how you discussed how the whole thing showcases lying, why someone would, and in this particular case why someone would lie out of fear. And it’s great how you observe that for John having been lied to as he has, it would make sense the logic of lying being abhorrant to him. Likewise, I loved your analysis of people’s actions, such as the man who pulled the gun. Of course, men’s actions are viewed through perception of reality. It’s like the old quandry of which came first, the chicken or the egg? The one answer to that which I loved being, “A chicken is an egg's way of making another egg. You see, it's all a matter of perspective. The chicken sees it one way, the egg another.” Much though you would not want the amulet, it is strangely sweet when John gives that to Rosemary, I thought. Thank you so much for the lovely reaction, Jess.

Thomas Corp
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If we’ve had a situation where we’ve had Alanis Morissette as God, why not Gwendoline Christie as Lucifer? Especially seeing as the Devil can appear as whatever they want when they go about their business as the Devil often does. Gwendoline was gorgeous in this episode. All throughout the battle of wits, my mind went to Madame Mim battling Merlin. I thought it was awesome. I had read that the direwolf line was in the source material. Still, you can tell they had fun with it by having Gwendoline say it. Like on Fargo, I assumed the Peter and the Wolf bit was in the scripts prior to David Thewlis being cast as Varga, and it just ends up being a great little nod to David’s past work by his being associated with the wolf and the motif played by the French horns.

Ryan
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Have you seen Dragonheart? It's one of Thewlis' earlier roles as an especially vile character, which he moved away from for a bit with stuff like Lupin, only to go back to it more recently. Plus, Sean Connery as a dragon!

DieWinterkirsche
>>115936178

I hope that Jess will react to "Lucifer" someday :D It's such a great show! And Tom Ellis is such a jewel (He'd make a great Doctor too!!)