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Andrew's fate

  • Leave him as it is 20
  • Make him stay at the hospital 212
  • Get rid of him 160
  • 2020-10-02
  • —2020-10-09
  • 392 votes
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Hello!So I need your help to decide what to do with Andrew in the next update. Do you think it's best to keep him be, make him stay in the hospital for a while, or get rid of him?Choose wisely :)

Comments

Maj'd

Who's Andrew again? Can we get a picture?

digerr313

I think it would be good if he stayed in the hospital, and after he regains consciousness, it turns out that he lost his memory

RockStrongo

Let him die or create two options: 1. He dies, 2. Stay in Hospital.

Joey Count

Anna has to keep on cuckolding him and I wish he could see Anna being fucked by other men. To take revenge for his betrayal Sergei and his men fuck anna in front of him.

paul mackwell

georges contamin thats wot i requested to the deepsleep have him watch as the two black guys and sergei have anna with him tied to a chair and he has to choose to let anna fuck who she whant or end it between the both of them

DramaCoach69

I voted for letting him die, but I can be happy with forcing Andrew to watch and turning him into a full cuckhold. Even with his dad and the old neighbor.

Shota_boi

Rip Andrew, I’m gonna have Alfred’s baby.

Stargazer

Without Andrew there would be no need for NTR and Anna would just basically become a slut with no real ties to any one man, I say keep him in the hospital for a while.

Marc Couperot

I think there is a good storyline in the hospital, not so much in a graveyard

DemnorTheSwede

I prefer the hospital choice. For many reasons. 1) There's still a way to use Andrew for NTR and for blackmail 2) More chances for Anna to visit with her doctor (there's not been enough check-ups) 3) With Andrew in hospital John can still stay at Anna's flat Anyway more pros than cons to keeping Andrew at the hospital. Also Andrew in a coma might re-enforce Anna's love and guilt making her more vulnerable to blackmail and being pressured into things.

Warped Minds Productions

Guys could take advantage of Anna while she's visiting Andrew in his hospital room, that would open lots of cheating, every men ( doctors, her boss, Alfred, Sergei, Micheal, Ashley,her sister's boyfriend etc )could visit Andrew to show him RESPECT ;) ha ha ha

Maelic

I’m just gonna come out and say it, we need Anna to get railed I top of her comatose boyfriend if that hasn’t already happened. Preferably multiple times depending which path you took.

Maelic

Second note: I saw someone in discord mention they didn’t want the story to end in a cuckfest, and while it can easily go over-the-top on cuckolding, that’s sort of the undertone if the game. Honestly, if you want to avoid it, that should be doable with the decisions you make, the error of her ways love ending, and the evil ending... Yanno? Maybe whether Andrew recovers can be decided by your choices, even if there’s no medical logic to it. Just a thought

Corax

Let him stay in the hospital for a while. would like to see some scenes with Anna being fucked in the same room, by either doctor or other patients.

TheMummy

Suggestion: Reversion of roles. Anna loves him, altough she likes sex and cheat. I would suggest Andrew discovers her cheating (somehow, maybe actually seeing her cheat/cam), and blackmails her with breaking up, and to prevent this she would accept his condition, and he then would use her (prostitution, favors) to pay his gambling debts. Or just keep him in the hospital a while.

Zara

Much as I hate Andrew as a character, he's a necessary evil in this game. You can't have a cheating game, without someone to cheat on. So I think having him around for some time to come would be a good idea. I like it that Anna has started to question whether her and Andrew have a future, and his involvement in Rebecca's kidnapping is surely only going to increase those doubts ( regardless of whether he thought he was doing it to protect Anna). But Anna still has very strong feelings for Andrew. She believes that she still loves him, even though her recent actions would appear to suggest the opposite. We have to acknowledge that in game time at least, it's only been a month since her and Andrew moved to the city. So perhaps it's not surprising that she isn't rushing to discount her feelings for Andrew, that have been a big part of her life for years. But she is definitely changing a lot, whereas Andrew maybe isn't so much. And I often think he's never really been able to see the real Anna. To me they're like chalk and cheese, just too different to ever have a future together. Particularly now that Anna is beginning to accept her true sexual self, something that she's always repressed. I think Andrew should spend some time in hospital. He's been shot. It looks pretty serious. You'd expect him to be there at least for a week or two, before moving home to convalesce for several weeks more. This will mean that Anna could do stuff she couldn't previously without making Andrew too suspicious, like staying away overnight, and openly going on dates with guys. Plus Andrew isn't going to be working. I can't Sergei letting him keep his job, after he betrayed him with Fitzgerald. Whatever, the reasoning behind it. This means Anna will now be the sole earner in their relationship. Adding to tensions between the two of them. Also what will Sergei demand from Anna, to allow Andrew to keep on breathing at all? I mean Sergei is a gangster, and I assume that usually people who betray him, in the way that Andrew has, come to a very bad end. He likes Anna though, and bumping off her boyfriend wouldn't help his cause any. But that doesn't mean he has to help Andrew. And not punishing Andrew at all, is surely only going to happen with strings attached. Will Anna get lured deeper into his dark and dangerous world as the price for saving Andrew?

Zara

I don't see Andrew using Anna in that way, regardless of whether he has gambling debts or discovers that she's been cheating on him. Andrew idolises Anna, he's put her on a pedestal. And he definitely doesn't have the kind of ruthless streak that you need to blackmail someone. I also don't think that such blackmail would work on Anna. What she's most afraid of is Andrew discovering her cheating. He can't use that to blackmail her and threatening her with breaking up, is only going to accelerate her desire to do it herself. Trying to use it to force her into prostitution would be total madness. I'm sure she would just laugh at him, and dump him immediately. Anna after all has a lot of options, whereas Andrew doesn't appear to have any. That's not to say Anna couldn't end up in some form of prostitution before this game ends. I'm sure that's what Patrick would like to happen. He seems to have links to the vice trade. Perhaps more than just the club. But the idea that Andrew is somehow going to make that happen, is simply not believable.

Zara

Well technically she's already cuckolding Andrew just by cheating on him. But using the modern interpretation of cuckolding, Andrew doesn't impress me as the kind of guy who would get off on that kind of humiliation. I'm sure the idea would totally disgust his very conservative attitude to relationships. Anna would have to force him to undergo it, by threatening him with the end of their relationship if he didn't. And she's only gonna do that, if she suddenly started getting turned on by the idea of totally humiliating Andrew. Which there is no sign of, as things stand. Anna would have to become a lot lot darker, to make that believable in any way. I'm not saying that's impossible, if she was somehow completely corrupted by say Jeremy or Patrick. But for me, it wouldn't sit well. I believe Anna could become a much darker personality in time on a bad pathway, but she'd have to become really evil to forceably cuck Andrew. Particularly, in the relatively short timeframe of this game.

Zara

Definitely no. It's already complicated enough having one major character who is either alive or dead on different pathways. Either kill him off or let him carry on, but not both please!

Zara

Much as it would be fun for that to happen. Andrew needs to keep being in the dark, till much closer to the end of this game. If you did that, Andrew would serve no purpose in this game. And without the cheating, this game would be very different.

Zara

Really? If Andrew was a zombie, nobody would notice the difference!

Zara

If you put him in a coma, you might as well just kill him off.

Zara

I definitely don't think you should kill him off. Because if Andrew dies, then Anna goes into mourning, and she stops having sex for months. Anything else, would be utterly unbelievable. It would make the disquiet over Anna's behaviour just after Rebecca's kidnapping, nothing by comparison. You kill Andrew off at this time, and you would have to restart the game 6-9 months in the future!

william wofford

Anna should not mourn Andrew the little prick put her sister in danger he crossed a line you don't cross if she keeps any attachment to him after something like that she is just STUPID ......STUPID ....STUPID..... he has been a irredeemable loser since he showed up and has only proven himself less worthy by the day .....she should not forgive his betrayal

william wofford

Andrew is a worthless piece of trash and he proved it by putting her sister in danger, that betrayal can not be forgotten or forgiven , even if he recovers from his wounds Carl or Sergei need to take him for a boat ride he wont come back from .....Anna will just have to get over it ....Rebecca means the world to Anna and he knew that ,yet he would not come clean in the bar when she gave him the chance ....he does not deserve one ounce of her pity .....and Carl and Rebecca need to tell her so and convince her that she will be better off with him out of her life .....It comes down to who does she love more ....her sister ? or her traitorous louse of a boyfriend..... ?? if she doesn't choose right Carl or Micheal or Sergei will make the right choice for her .........

william wofford

Andrew signed his own death warrant when he put Rebecca in danger and betrayed Sergei .........Carl will want him dead .......Rebecca will want him dead ......Michael will want him dead and Sergei well you get the point .....Anna gave him a chance to come clean in the bar and he lied until he knew he was caught and then he just walked away ..........

william wofford

NOPE Andrew has nothing to blackmail ANNA with he betrayed her put her sister in danger ......if he even tried to use her like that anna would give him a kick in the nuts and just say adios .........then call the boys to give him a well deserved boat ride..........(sharkbait ) or (cement shoes) ......I mean so what she cheated ...he almost got her sister killed ........

DemnorTheSwede

I do not agree. In a coma he could recover and in a coma the threat to his life might be a little less obvious. I agree with William that Carl, Rebecca, Sergei and maybe even Anna will want to punish him in some way. But I also agree with Zara that Anna needs Andrew so that she can cheat and as leverage for her corruption,

DemnorTheSwede

Yes I agree, Andrew is still necessary to the game. I would prefer him to be in the background though. My main interest is to see how far Anna will allow herself to sink into corruption and depravity. Andrew for me is a tool that allows the game/us/me to help Anna make the "right" choices. First some time at the hospital for Andrew, then maybe something else (witness protection program?, working off his debt? Thrown in Jail and kept in isolation due to threat level - could lead to conjugal visit? or something else). Andrew had good intent behind his schemes - he wanted Anna to stay safe - maybe that could help Anna forgive him. Won't help with Carl and Sergei though.

Zara

There's no way that Rebecca would ever agree to such an action. She loves her sister too much, and even though she has never liked Andrew, she knows that Anna feels differently. If Carl or Rebecca deliberately took part in any plan to kill Andrew, Anna would never forgive them, and that would be the end of this game. If Andrew dies at all, Anna goes into mourning for months, and that means she doesn't have sex. And you can't have an adult game without sex can you? It's possible that if Andrew dies in the hospital, then the game could be realistically restarted about a year later, after Anna has recovered from her grief. But any kind of plot where Andrew is killed by one of the main characters, means that Anna never has sex with them again, which means they're out of the game as well. Why would you want to do that? Personally, I think killing him off at all, is a bad move, because death is the ultimate passion killer, plus there is nobody for Anna to cheat on anymore, which radically changes the whole dynamic of the game. The best solution all round is for Andrew to spend several weeks in the hospital, then you get all the outfall from his betrayal feeding into the plot, whereas if you kill him off, in Anna's eyes she forgets all about that.

Zara

She loves him. She may not love him at the end of this game, but at this moment in time she still at least believes that he is the guy she's gonna get married to. You may think it's stupid, because you've had years to get used to the fact that Andrew is a loser. But for Anna it's only been a month, since her and Andrew moved to the city, and everything started to change. Anna has definitely changed, and she's starting to question her relationship with Andrew, and if Andrew survives it's quite likely those doubts are only going to be intensified by Andrew's involvement in Rebecca's kidnapping. It seems Andrew, got involved because Fitzgerald threatened Anna. We all agree Andrew is an idiot, so yeah agreeing to help in Rebecca's kidnapping was a terminally stupid decision. But from Andrew's blinkered point of view, which is all about just keeping Anna safe, it makes a kind of sense. And he disapproves of Rebecca anyway, and believes she has a bad influence on Anna. This is his opportunity to save Anna from all the negative influences in her life. He just isn't seeing the bigger picture, where Sergei, and Carl hunt him down wherever he goes, and Anna herself never forgives him. And now that the plot has been foiled and Andrew is dying from his gunshot wound, which he got by standing in front of a bullet meant for Anna. For the moment at least, all that Anna is thinking about, is that the man she loves is possibly gonna die. That is the only thought in her mind. He might be stupid, he might be a loser, but he loved Anna enough to sacrifice his life for her. If he dies, she's gonna be thinking about that and nothing else. So yeah she is gonna mourn him, and any crazy act he ever did before that, will be totally forgotten about from Anna's point of view!

william wofford

mourning for months ...... please you have to be joking you think she is just forgive and forget ??? she should hear whatever weak excuse he has and then put another bullet or two in him herself .....the best way to get over him is lots of meaningless sex with others .........if Anna could not understand that carl would want him dead for what has happened then she does not get the depth of Carl's love for Rebecca

Zara

I'm sure they'll want to punish him, to differing degrees. As a gangster Sergei's first instinct would be to get rid of him. But he's also crazy about Anna, so I'm pretty sure he realises that killing Andrew might seriously affect any feelings she might have for him. He's already demonstrated a willingness to ignore Andrew's shortcomings to please Anna. So it's not beyond the realms of possibility, that he might choose to help Andrew to survive, if Anna makes it worth his while. The same goes for Michael, who also has feelings for Anna, and Carl will do whatever Rebecca wants. If Anna asks Rebecca to help her save Andrew, then I'm quite certain she'll do it. Not because she likes Andrew or cares for him in anyway, but because Anna is the most important person in her life. Yes, I think she loves Anna more than Carl. I think Andrew will get punished by losing his job, and possibly by Anna being forced to please Sergei in some way ( that initially at least Andrew won't be aware of). From Sergei's point of view, taking his beloved Anna away from him, might be the ultimate punishment he could inflict on Andrew.

Zara

I'm not sure you really get Anna. She's in love with Andrew, and love is blind. You looking at this from the sidelines, and viewing it all dispassionately, can see all Andrew's negatives in a way that Anna just can't. It doesn't matter that Andrew has helped to kidnap Rebecca. He's dying because he stood in the path of a bullet, meant for Anna. That is all she is going to see. That he died saving her life. And if Carl or Rebecca contributed to that, she's never going to forgive them, whatever motivation they might have felt they had. The only way this game can continue realistically in it's present form, is if Andrew survives. Anything else is totally illogical. You may dislike Andrew intensely, and I don't entirely disagree with you. I wanted her to split up with him, only a few days into this game. But he plays a very important role in this game, and after Anna I would say he is the next most indispensible character. You can get rid of any other character, apart from maybe Rebecca, and this game stays pretty much the same. But get rid of Andrew, and it's no longer a cheating game, which means Anna can do pretty much what she wants to, without feeling any guilt or shame, and that means nobody can blackmail her.

Zara

Who exactly is going to force him to watch? I just can't see Anna willingly taking part in a forced cuckold scenario involving Andrew. She just isn't callous enough to do such a thing, which could only be achieved by blackmailing Andrew in some way. Also why would John agree to do such a thing to his son, who he has stated on more than one occasion that he loves? And the idea that kind-hearted Alfred would do anything so obviously cruel, is frankly laughable.

DramaCoach69

Well, I am glad I made you laugh, since you seem to have spent so much time rebutting the comments others have made. First, you are right. Anna is not that callous, but Sergei and Michael are and it is possible they could make that a stipulation for his living, because, let's be frank here, in the gangster world, Andrew screwed the pooch and should by all accounts be eliminated. Plus, while she is not callous, Anna is realistic, and since she could, when given the chance have her Boss killed (I have taken both routes), it is not unreasonable for her to decide to keep Andrew alive under the stipulation he cannot touch her, but can only watch her whenever she has sex at home. John may love his son, but he loves Anna more and probably wouldn't object and Alfred might insist on doing it elsewhere. The partners need not be complicit in the cuckholding. Andrew is worthless as a partner. While his motivation might be lofty, to provide for Anna, he has placed her in a position where she has had to do some mighty questionable things to save his and her ass. It is about time he either pays for his treason and incompetence, or is let go. That is my opinion. It really doesn't matter though, since it is Deep's decision.

william wofford

Im not sure you get the fact that Rebecca could have been seriously hurt , Andrew's betrayal Can not be so easily forgotten and yes if she cuts him loose she is free What is wrong with that ? it is not going to alter the game to evolve the character and finally free her of the needless guilt , in fact that would be the natural evolution or do you really think she will want to stay with a traitor that endangered her family ??????? there will be an eventual breakup ,relationships do grow apart some divisions can not be overcome .........that being said i like you am a passenger on this travel ..we will see how " Deepsleep " and his team...decide to let the story play out ...

Maelic

I should have prefaced that this was all while Andrew was comatose

Franco

Hey guys, random question. Is there any walkthrough guide for this game?

L0b0ts

Anna has made it big time while Andrew has been lagging behind so Anna should stick with Andrew when he recovers but turn him into a total cuck, even with his D, she could even start the action by visiting him and getting on the with the Doctor right in front of him and he is can't do nothing, he can't do without Anna so he has no choice, that would be so classic :D

DramaCoach69

"From Sergei's point of view, taking his beloved Anna away from him, might be the ultimate punishment he could inflict on Andrew." I totally agree with this Zara.

DramaCoach69

I think Anna is pissed off enough about the gambling tp not really care. Andrew has nothing with which to bargain or blackmail. Lying, putting others in danger, betrayal. Nuh-uh. Andrew has nothing.

Zara

How exactly could she turn him into a cuck, without him wanting to do it? Are you suggesting that Anna undergoes a complete personality change suddenly turning her into an evil bitch? Because just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would willingly go along with such a scenario. He would have to be blackmailed in some way, and Anna is never going to do that without some really radical corruption. Maybe if she becomes a drug addict over the next few weeks and her life enters a downward spiral into depravity, she might become the kind of total bitch that could contemplate humiliating her former love interest, but short of that it just wouldn't be realistic in any way.

Zara

Deep has already made it clear that he prefers Andrew to continue for now as Anna's boyfriend, and in the dark regarding her activities. That was always the plan, because Andrew was setup as the fall guy from the very beginning. Why do you think he has never really developed Andrew as a character? Because he didn't want players to become too invested him or sympathise with him, whilst Anna was effectively betraying him. Andrew has a vital role in this game, as the guy that Anna is cheating on. Her guilt and feelings of remorse at betraying him, are just as important too. Because it demonstrates that Anna is not just a heartless bitch, who is selfishly having fun at her boyfriend's expense. But is someone, who due to extreme circumstances and possible medical issues, is changing rapidly as a person in ways she is struggling to understand or control. As far as Rebecca is concerned, I get it perfectly well. Yes, she could have been hurt and I don't think Andrew really cares about Rebecca and certainly disapproves of her. He was the one who said she was 'just a slut' in the car after all. But Andrew was only thinking about Anna's safety when he decided to go along with the kidnapping. Fitzgerald threatened that safety, but agreed to turn a blind eye to activities with Sergei, and also give Andrew a large sum of money, if he helped with Rebecca's kidnapping, and I assume with whatever was going to follow that. From Andrew's blinkered point of view, he was doing Anna a favour by saving her from Fitzgerald's anger ( she helped to swindle him after all), and at the same time getting her away from people like Sergei, Carl and Rebecca, Jeremy and Patrick, who he must think are responsible for some of the changes that Anna has been manifesting recently ( although of course he doesn't realise how extensive those changes have actually been). Where Anna is concerned, Andrew just doesn't think rationally in anyway. He wants to protect her from herself. He thinks she's too naive and pure to not think the best of everybody. And because of this, she's helpless to stop more manipulative and 'worldly' people taking advantage of her. You see he's never really understood Anna ( which is of course why they never really had a chance as a couple), and partly this is because Anna has encouraged him to believe this blinkered view of her. She's always hidden that she has a much bigger sex drive than him, and that she fantasises about stuff that he would probably consider abnormal. She's kept this stuff a secret from everyone really, because even her sister who is just the same, is largely unaware of how alike her and Anna really are. What I'm trying to say is, Andrew believes he was doing the right thing to protect Anna, the very fact that he stepped in front of the bullet meant for her, shows Anna is everything to him. And regardless of it being wrong and incredibly stupid for him to be involved in her sister's kidnapping ( and it will probably have consequences further down the line for their relationship), Anna recognises that he did it to save her and for no other reason, because she still has very strong feelings for him and thinks that she still loves him. So yes it may still be a betrayal, but it's a betrayal that she views very differently than you. Because you're an outsider who dislikes Andrew intensely and she's not. Also from Rebecca's point of view, she dislikes Andrew as well, and thinks he's wrong for her sister ( and she's definitely right about that). But she loves her sister far more than she dislikes Andrew ( and there's a possibility that extends beyond mere sisterly love). And because of that she will always support her sister where Andrew is concerned, regardless of her own feelings for him. Don't think I'm a supporter of Andrew in anyway. I've always disliked him as a character, from the first few days of this game. In fact, I even suggested to Deep quite some time ago that he should find out about Anna's infidelities so she could be finally rid of him. But Deep said he had to stay in the dark, because that's his purpose for being in the game at all. Deep always wanted us to hate him, and always intended that Anna would split up with him eventually. But only at the end of the game.

Zara

I'm afraid I just disagree with you. Maybe my final comment was a tad harsh, but I just could never see Alfred agreeing to such a scenario, under any circumstances. Bearing in mind he already feels guilty about fucking Anna behind Andrew's back. Doing it without his knowledge is one thing, but openly humiliating him is totally another. Which is also why John would never contemplate it either, because he would never dream of doing that to his son. He believes his son isn't keeping Anna satisfied, he's always had a thing for her and he's definitely not a saint. But doing it in secret is a very different proposition from seeing his son feel the pain of total humiliation. Obviously, it could happen anyway, if Andrew finds out about it. But he's not deliberately trying to achieve that, which allows him to ignore the possible consequences. All of this is irrelevant, because as things stand, Anna would never allow it to happen anyway. She simply isn't that kind of person. Comparing him to Jeremy is silly, because he's someone she dislikes intensely ( or thinks she does anyway), whereas she still loves Andrew. Even so I thought the scenario where she agrees to Jeremy's death, just didn't ring true. So I follow the other route (mind you I'm a sucker for BDSM, so I probably would have anyway). And as for Sergei, well he's crazy about Anna, and has already made plenty allowances for Andrew's shortcomings. His first instinct might be to eliminate Andrew, but Anna's feelings will play a big role in any decision he makes, because he still hopes to make her his partner eventually. And taking his beloved Anna from him, would surely be a much bigger punishment in Sergei's eyes. I suspect Sergei's price for Andrew's continued existence, will be involve Anna spending more quality time with Sergei, so he can seduce her to the luxury lifestyle she could have with him.

L0b0ts

The reason exactly is for getting Anna's sister kidnapped so will be just punishment and humiliation because he would do anything for forgiveness and he has lost all his street cred.