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Helen for Harem?! DD 304 (Patreon)

Published:
2026-08-31 18:22:50
Imported:
2026-09

Poll

Helen for Harem?! DD 304

  • Yes, I want Helen in the harem 629
  • No, I don't want Helen in the harem 71
  • 2026-08-31
  • 700 votes
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Content

I'm going to straight up make this a poll. Several books ago there was so much Helen hate that I listened and pulled her back from the spotlight, even if I did enjoy playing with the Harem Queen and Helen's relationship.

But it seems that when this book kicked off, the comments were all very pro Helen. Yes I read them (the nice ones, mostly). So, giving everyone a chance to speak up.

Helen, yay or nay?

Comments

Jet Le

Sees tsundere. Enjoys tsundere being a tsundere. Understands it’s gonna take time for the character to build. Yes to Helen.

InSiddious

Red head tsundere FTW!

ET3117

She wants it. She deserves it and she'll make a good addition to both the story and to the harem.

Travis Shaw

If for nothing else than the lols between crimson and harem queen...

Jonesy

Absolutely!

Dctrwho007

I’ll be extremely pissed if she doesn’t get to join the Harem! I’ve been frustrated the past couple of books because I thought she should have already joined the harem. I was really hoping they would bond during the press tour in 302 and get together towards the end of that book or at least get together in 303

Jack Taylor

personally, i dont care. But i'm gonna give you the same answer i gave another author when he asked about something like this "I dont mind, as long as you do it well"

Chris McLauglhlin

She needs to grow alot but it seems you've been heading that way for awhile with the character. I see you kind of haveing her turn out alot like the nephilem from dragons justice (sorry I forget her name)

Gramuel089

Helen deserves a resolution to her trauma and a start to happier days.

Tom

If Helen's in the Harem, does the MC get/need to call the Harem Queen Mommy?

Mark

I think the Helen hate was real, just not in the "I hope she doesn't join the harem" way but in the "I hope she joins the harem soon, her tsundere act without any payoff is getting old" way. I think people would put up with her more if she was honest sometimes about her feelings.

Ocean

Yes 100%

Raul Salazar

Helena in DJ did a very good job of explaining why she was the way she was. All she knew about love was a very dark and twisted version of it. And Helen is very much the same, just not as much physical and mental trauma. But going deeper into her first relationship being a mess would win a lot of people over

Dctrwho007

And when she joins I expect Ken and her to anger f**k even harder than Helena and Zack in DJ 6!

Steven

She absolutely needs to join! The tsundere arc must be completed!

Kyle Wyss

I believe we need Candice and Helen in the harem

Tucker

Holy shit I remember all the hate, huh so that's why she kinda disappeared. Some people thought she was gonna team up with the nekorian dude because they both hated harems or something lol

Breaker 277

I think after this poll I’d love to know what you had originally intended for her. To join or not. But I agree with other comments that if she’s going to join I would love to see more character growth and her true feeling laid bare. Pun intended.

Joshua

I think everyone has been dying for an attitude change that leads her to being honest with Ken for once. I never wanted her gone, I just wanted her to grow. She's a complicated character

Mavrox

I don't think the dislike was for her... I think it was more her hesitation/procrastination on joining. At least for me.

Julian Lachner

Hmmm dont think i would like helen as a main harem memner more like the fae in DJ (and yes i know that would not be true to her charackter(

Judex

I think leaving her out is closer to real life. The whole tsundere thing isn't very common in reality. If someone acts like they dont like you, chances are they dont like you. Given how most anything with a xx chromosome falls in love with Ken, its nice to have someone of the opposite sex that just doesnt see the appeal. Thats real, and makes the characters more relatable.

Amurant

I prefer our little dark angel over Helen. But if I can have both then both.

Sky

I voted no because she's a negative influence in the harem as a whole. Her interest in him isn't very relevant if she cant treat people well. Pretty obvious from a few books ago that the situation would be much different if it was one on one relationship but it's not the reality. The "will she won't she" has been going on a bit long in my opinion so I'm happy with it being resolved either way but I'm afraid you've set her up to a whiney nag for the rest of the series as mc obviously isn't gonna drop the harem to be with Helen, and her moms influence has made her anti harem since birth. /Shrug

Timothy Johnson

Also, one fun trope (at least for a little while) is a hidden harem member. It's not cheating if the harem gives pre approval, but it can be hilarious when one person doesn't want to be found out and has to keep explaining away while they're sweaty or glowing haha

Richard Nitro

Out of all the members Helen seemed like she would be the final girl in the harem. I think she is a great balance compared to the other members.

S.C. Strigaris

I think it would be kinda sad to leave her out.

Joshu Savage

The more we learn about her backstory the more her attitude makes sense. The fact that what appears to be her first love broke her heart in such a way that it poisoned men in her eyes. Knowing that he dumped her in a heartbeat to try and jump in her mom's bed and she had to deal with it for her time in highschool made it worse.

Jericho Knight

I didn't realize that she got enough hate for you to pull her back. I just assumed she would be like Helena from DJ.

Timothy Johnson

Interesting idea. My gut tells me a dragon king and nephilim would be more durable... But maybe if they are over level 60, who knows? All I can say is that if Ken manages to crack the dungeon floor with Helen, then Crimson will want to break all the way through the dungeon floor 🤣

Aedral

With the amount of character development she has received, her backstory and her actions thus far. Helen wants to be a part of this almost as much as Des wants more for Ken. Ken needs to show her the strength of his relationships and show her how much stronger she can be. Also I kinda want Helen to be able to smack that idiot she once dated with her considerably healthier relationship.

Alexander Andrews

It's a balancing act... She always needed to be a "Hard Sell" but still an eventual member. If she joined in book 3 it would have been way to early... But honestly after the Dwarf attack it sort of set the fuse... The Dungeon Shuffle accelerated it... And now post publicity Tour I think it's time to add her... Not immediately and without some friction... But not as some super prickly shrew... Heck she's a more impactful character than Selene... And I'm actually a big Selene fan. If anything Helen going on a date with Ken to get her mom off her back would be hilarious "Don't think I'm going to jump into bed with you" "this is just to keep my mom from harassing me" "wow you can act like a gentleman" and finally she gets teased relentlessly by Des after the walk of shame 3 dates later.

WolfetoneD

with all the prior drama we have to have a pay off. after all this time it will need to be a huge emotional break through for Helen after Ken goes out on a limb for her. if you choose to ignore her I won't blame you since it will take some incredibly fantastic writing to dispel the previous negativity and show as the hurting human being that resulted from relationship with her family. I think writing a Helen POV would be " a bold move, Cotton " It would be like calling your shot in the 9th inning of game 7 of the World Series. I'm just saying it would require mucho huevos. so I double dog dare you

Alexander Andrews

Exactly, she always needed to be a slow burn... Sort of like how Charlotte was just right in her timing. Meanwhile you've got others that seem rushed without it fitting their character. Not Des though... She's probably the only character type that can pull off how quick she was in.

WolfetoneD

see that semester of Psychology 101 worked on my son when he was 8, with Bruce fall for the reverse as well? only time will tell

Alexander Andrews

Now I need it just to see Crimson's reaction... Then the Harem Queens reaction to Crimson calling her Mom... "Geez mom, (random age joke)".

Breaker 277

Now I want to read that version.

Mark

Its definitely hard to write a character who is a virgin, but jumps into bed with mc immediately, but is loyal believably. But Des definitely works. As for Helen, her slow burn has run its course. Like you said. Time for the pay off. Not getting it would feel weird. She can be all tsun tsun still. But honest during sex. Even if that's the only time shes honest.

Travis Shaw

i'm also mixed.. its YOUR story at the end of the day, thats the whole point of the journey to make readers "feel" something, yes there can be an element of "choose your own adventure", but I'm NOT an author for very good reasons. we'll never be happy...you can please some of the people all of the time, some of the people some of the time.. but you cant please everyone on the internet!

averageJoe

Yes so she can hold the portals over her mother head

Alexander Andrews

Hell if anything she'd be a great counter to Des... Balance her out a bit... The others enable her too much.

Val the mysterious Jedi

Ngl I want Candice more but she gots that hot blonde need appeal while Helen is a tsundere red head.

Eric

I like making it a poll and seeing everyone’s opinion!

vardic d

Yeah, I feel like most of the Hate was her clearly liking Ken, but hating the way her mom acted so much she couldn't let herself admit to the interest.

JamzHigate

I agree with the majority. I was just getting tired of her attitude. Slow burn was fine . I actually like slow burn members more meaning to them joining group. But Helen better chill the hell out.

Wesley Wiggins

Yeah I’m all for Helen finally joining the harem. The hate I feel is more about how every time she makes ANY progress she destroys it just as fast then does nothing but ridicule everyone. Having said that I’m all for her joining since that should finally balance her out.

Detectivetrap23

She needs to join! Please. As the night is darkest just before the dawn, the tsundere struggle is greatest just before the payoff. We’re all ready for her!

David Morrissey

Just think...the Harem Queen as a mother-in-law by proxy to Crimson

Daniel Glasson

I agree with others that the hate was mostly a case of "Goddammit, woman, just admit it and kiss him already" than actual hatred of her. I understand how her character is but i can see people getting frustrated with it. Honestly, I kind of like the idea of her quietly tracking him whenever they are in proximity and him finally noticing like he did in one of the new chapters. Let's him finally realize everyone wasn't BSing him about her actually feelings

Steven Polanco

My thing with the whole "Helen is a tsundere" thing is that being a good tsun is about having occasional cute moments between the LI and the MC of which I can't think of ANY between Ken and Helen. As far as I can remember they're interactions are as follows: >Ken exists >Helen expresses disdain for Ken. And that's pretty much it. Basically, I don't want her to join until she chills the fuck out which she's shown no interest in doing.

SeCon

I think she deserves a chance, but part of that is also out of concern that if Ken doesn’t start applying the same pragmatism to his race and guild that he does to his family’s profession he is likely to hit a wall when compared to the enemies he has been making. He has risen far past the “raids are in my future” and even the point of harmonizing souls it feels like, though certainly worth the effort of trying. Feels like much of his power based relationships are likely to need to happen off stage, but that it might be the thing to save him from anime protagonist pitfalls.

Eric Czichos

Honestly I was surprised it has not happened yet. By this point it needs to… I was fully expecting it last book.

MuteButtonHero

Not as she is now. The problem is you've spent a lot of time building a personality where she's a bully, lashes out at others to cover her insecurities, and has been very disrespectful to Ken, his party, and his family. So including her in the harem means transforming her so none of that applies anymore. I'm sure you can write your way out of this corner but that's reversing a lot of background. And then there's the part where she says she's not interested. Ignoring that, brushing past it, or assuming that's not her real meaning is kinda rapacious. That's has to be addressed.

John Doyle

I don't know if Helen would be right anymore. It's been so long with so much hate from her, you'll have to be careful how you pull it off. I voted no but hope for tge best

Kalrik

DD Helen is too similar to DJ Helen. Yea, not the exact name but that’s where I have an issue.

person

only if it fits the narrative. if it hits the point where she needs to move on then ok. just don't string her along

Sunna

had to read like 3 times the series to get to like helen... she kinda grows on you... but i also want misha

Sunna

also i liked harem queen and helen interactions...

Sunna

but please dont push misha for the next book

Sunna

squish helen and misha in that book... blue and red :)

MuteButtonHero

That's actually the best argument for her I've heard.

Bru-

Don't hate helen but you have already called her Helena in several of the chapters. Do not need to repeat what you did in Dragons Justice in my opinion.

Jamie R

Yeah, the hate wasn't for Helen herself, but her Tsundere act getting old with her continued antagonistic attitude. I get she has family issues and Trauma about her mother's Harem and how she treats her Men, but at the same time after observing Ken, she should have seen he doesn't treat his girls anything like HQ treats her Men. I think the last book with HQ giving her a proper talking to, and with Helen being less antagonistic helped redeem her as it showed an improvement of her attitude towards Ken and family. Tsundere Helen at the start was fun. Then her prejudice towards harems soured that. But overcoming her prejudice helped redeem her.

SparksBored

Helen’s character is annoying af, she’s such a constant debbie downer. My vote is we pretend she doesnt exist anymore.

Michael Fannon

Helen should have been in the harem a few books back honestly.

Alexander Andrews

It's been addressed before. She constantly gets embarrassed when the idea is brought up compared to someone like Harley who always says no. I mean Helen is a stereotypical Tsundere, and up until he over corrected it was looking like she was close to joining.

J0n Br0wn

While I would love to see Helen and his harem, I think her having her own harem is better with a couple of explosive sex. Something about two harems can’t merge even if he is an incubus. Perhaps a connection boost , but keep the tension simmering with occasional coupling. The daughter an finally submit to the harem , and even use that relationship to tease Helen

Alex V

I don't want to see her in the harem. Tsundere cliche is not fun to me. Annoying people who cannot communicate can be left to solve their own issues by themselves and not make that everyone's problem.

Alex V

I don't think that matters. She is her own person and she can solve her issues.

Cython Naiilo

I think Helen should get a payoff taking into account how long she's been building up her se*ual frustration, and she should also make such a public demonstration of it that she can't deny it and at the same time making her mother jealous and all her "fathers" speechless from the shock. just one idea tho

JediChris85

I don’t want to vote in a specific direction. I am not a fan of Helen as she is. That being said, she just really needs to finally get over herself at least some and she would become much more likable. You could even have her admit to Ken or one of the ladies in a private moment that she’s been going to therapy for her past or something. That’s just life and character development so it could definitely work if done right, and I have faith that you could do it right given how fantastic your various series and the characters in them are.😁

Jeremy Patrick

I never hated her. Someone had to play hard to get. I thought Ken and her had some fireworks.

Stormking

It was less an I don't want her in the Harem hate and more she is stuck in the bitch half of the Tsundere romance arc for way too long type of hate she had just felt so stagnant in her hate boner that it was annoying it would feel very disappointing if she never ends up in the Harem

Toji99

I think it fits the whole vibe of, realistically, Helen and Ken should not work because of Helen's aversion to harems. but finding a way to work through that would be a satisfying journey for her