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Please welcome renowned actor and game studio head Abubakar Salim to Sacred+. You may know Salim best for his roles in shows like House of the Dragon, Raised by Wolves, and Jamestown, Ridley Scott's Napoleon film, and even in games like Assassin's Creed Origins and World of Warcraft. But he recently came to my (Colin's) attention because of his studio Surgent's first game, a delightful EA Originals-published Metroidvania called Tales of Kenzera: Zau. I really liked it, ended up Platinuming it, and then shared a Sacred Symbols clip on social media talking about my experience. This got his attention, and ultimately we were able to get in touch and put this episode together. I wanted to talk to Abubakar not about the ins-and-outs of his game specifically, but rather about the completely unearned chaos that seemed to surround it post-release. A lot of the negativity came off to me as forced, misdirected, and -- at worst -- racist. After all, this is a game about loss, grief, and overcoming a terrible tragedy, and has nothing to do whatsoever with race, gender, politics, or pretty much any other potential and predictable third rail. But listening to much of the outside narrative, you would think quite the opposite was true.

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Umkart

I don’t understand the narrative Colin seems to think is being used by the games and social media against the game. I guess I’ll watch and find out as it has never been clear what his point is.

Your Boi Nicky V

Awesome actor, and a very friendly guy. Great get Colin.

Tyler Andersen

Loved the episode and agree that this game got caught in the crossfire of the culture war unfairly. As much as I liked it I look forward to a more in depth episode about the game and metroidvania's. Abubakar has really interesting thoughts on the level design of his game and I can't wait for you two to explore that more.

Susan B. Anthony Bourdain

It’s too bad that the people who’d get the most out of this interview will be least likely to listen. If you hate Sweet Baby Inc. this is worth your time.

Directional Joy

Fantastic interview! His description of a ‘parenting rogue’ VG tickled the creative side of my brain. 👏

Adam Razak

I really enjoyed listening to Mr. Salim. Metroidvanias aren't usually my thing, but I might have to check this game out.

Cameron Sturre

Really loved this episode. Such a great discussion. This has made me interested in picking up the game.

NeO JD

Solid ep. Glad to see Abubakar is as chill as he seemed. His moment at The Game Awards was touching. Also, he’s dope in HOTD. Hope to see him back for sure.

JoshM

Going to save the last few mins of this till I've beaten Zau, but gotta say this has become one of my favourite episodes of SS+. Just all round great discussion, and exactly what games discourse needs more of. Would be awesome to see Abubakar back at some point!

Dante B

Downloading the game right now.

Tyler

This might be one of the best episodes of SS+, truly. Loved hearing Abubakar talk about the game and hear his thoughts on the noise that plagues it. Will be buying and playing it once I get my next paycheck.

Jamie Milligan

Downloaded the game because honestly up until you mentioned it about a month ago, I never even heard of it. What a Gem of a metriodvania. And once it goes off Extra, come pay day, I’ll buy it to show my support. People that have been making culture war clickbait videos about this title DEFINITELY have not even played it.

twodaydrunk

Loved this. Platinumed the game as well and thought it was a solid Metroidvania. The culture-war non-troversy around the game is ridiculous and I’m sad it got buried in the BS because of disingenuous and misinformed actors.

Tom G

Dude Abubakar…what a beautiful human, this was a very touching episode. It is refreshing to have something that resonates on an emotional level beyond the usual chicanery/humor/nihilism, even when those are always welcome and ever present.

Benji_B2sick

Great conversation. So excited at the potential of hearing this guy go in depth on his ideas of about games in the future

Garry

What an amazing show Salim comes across as a really nice guy who is open minded and honest. Downloaded the game and will be playing it tonight. Thanks Colin this was the best interview you’ve done on SS+ especially as he seems willinh to talk about everything he can brilliant man.

Hozi

Honestly, this should be out out free feeds as soon as possible. People need to hear this.

Panda Junkie

Abubakar Salim co-host a monthly podcast on Alanah Preace's YouTube channel, if anyone wants to hear more of this dude. He always has very interesting perspectives & seems really passionate about gaming.

William Harding

Seriously fantastic episode. I loved Abubakar Salim ever since I saw him as Father in Raised By Wolves. He is fantastic in House of the Dragon. I loved the quote about grief and metroidvania games. Please do more interviews like this.

Xenomorph Moriarty

One of the most productive and interesting sacred symbols + eps in awhile. Well done!

zepplinmike

This was excellent. I already bought the game on Colin’s strong recommendation and to some extent to spite the ignorant haters, but hadn’t gotten to it yet. This discussion was really compelling about the game itself, and I agree that it’s truly sad that it has been tainted with that nonsense. I will move it up on my list and do my best to experience it on its own terms and forget the noise.

Jeremy Tan

Fantastic interview! I’m gonna go check this game out now

DainsArt

What an empowering yet heartbreaking interview

Omar Rosa

Awesome interview! I will be buying this game.

Christopher Smith

Great interview! I picked up this game on Colin’s recommendation and really loved the game. Would love to see more stories set in Africa that really leans into African culture the way that the yakuza games are unapologetically Japanese.

FourEyes Malone

Great conversation. Really looking forward to the follow up episode!

RenegerGraeme

This was fantastic. Listening to Abubakar was really insightful and I’d love to hear more from him. Seems like a really intelligent and fascinating dude. Will definitely be checking out this game and excited to see what Abubakar does next

Jose

Fantastic interview! Shows like these are the reason I support on patreon.

Napoleon in Rags

This game was great! I also got the platinum and enjoyed it all the way. Anyone who called this “woke” or pushing an agenda never even played it.

Niall Harrison

Just got the game on download , was on ps plus aswell .

James

The comparison of metroidvanias and grief is so interesting and cool. Never thought of it like that but after hearing him explain it I totally see the similarities he drew from to make his game.

Ahlickaloo

If this guy wants some sort of vindication, he should make a strong sophomore attempt

Tim Leibfritz

Abubakar is so cool. I loved Raised By Wolves and he was the best part. He was great on KF but I'd much rather hear him with Colin. I hope he comes back!

Mykal

Excellent conversation. I bought this game because of Colin and also got the platinum. Had a great time with it and enjoyed the story 🙏🏻

Fotis Lyto

I am sad that Zau was cough on this, the game doesn't deserve it, however every game that has had sweet baby inc in it has been worse for it and had always had the same shit stink on it, on some games less (GoW ragnarok) and on some more (ssktjl) but always that stink. They have been such a bane on gaming that people went scorched earth with them and zau was caught on the crosshairs. However I don't know why they even had to work with them to be honest. It is an unfortunate situation.

Kevin Cooper

A well-spoken interview on both sides, and I appreciate that. But it felt like Abubakar dodged the question as to what Sweet Baby Inc actually consulted on in the game -- whether intentionally or unintentionally.

Elliott Morgan

Really good to hear nuanced conversation. The game is great btw!

Anthony Palerino

Im looking forward to checking this out sometime soon! Hope to see Insurgent continue with a new project in the next few years.

Luke Oliveto

I remember Deathloop being called "woke" because you play as a black guy in it. These people simply can't be reasoned with

Steve Gray

What a great interview, I was on the fence about checking out the game but will definitely give it a go now! I would love to see Abubakar come back on the show, well done Colin

Benjamin Pope

Great interview! Abubakar seems like a super cool and down to earth guy. Hopefully he can come back on the show sometime!

Jason Little

Very thoughtful and interesting interview. Well done!

Lucas Hixon

I’m late to commenting on this post, but I listened right when it dropped, and thought this was a great conversation! Abubakar’s comments on how he interpreted grief as a sort of Metroidvania was super interesting, and cool how that was how he approached developing the game. I picked the game up right after listening and I can’t wait to play it.

Cyprus Davis

Late listening to this, but wow this was such a great conversation. Abubakar Salim is a delight. Wasn’t planning on playing Tales of Kenzera: Zau, but after listening to this I’m for sure picking it up.