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Sacred Symbols, Episode 330 | Milk It For All It's Worth (Patreon)

Published:
2024-10-25 16:00:13
Edited:
2024-10-25 19:28:59
Imported:
2026-06
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It's now obvious that Sony shouldn't have purchased Bungie back in 2022, but considering the transaction did indeed occur, both parties have to make the best out of a less-than-promising situation. After instituting a significant reduction in headcount, poaching key employees for posts within PlayStation proper, and even swiping an entire team and drafting it into PlayStation Studios, Sony has made another play, ingesting Bungie's Creative Studios to help shepherd the wider brand's future service games. How will this entire ordeal play out in the end? We're years away from finding out, but that doesn't stop us from speculating. Plus: Spider-Man 2 is getting a Nixxes-led PC port in early '25, Amazon Prime's God of War project receives a massive personnel overhaul, a recent interview with Guerrilla has some fans longing for more Killzone, and more. We wrap things up (as always) with listener inquiries. Have we reached a dead end with game design? Are 60 frames plenty, or should we ultimately strive for 120? How might Sony celebrate PlayStation 2's 25th anniversary next year? Are we able to convince a skeptical fan that -- yes, indeed! -- 'tchotchke' is a real word?

Timestamps:

0:00:00 - Introduction

0:16:26 - Catching up with Dustin

0:50:19 - Tchotchke

0:53:27 - Halloween traditions

1:07:07 - Next Lillymo game?

1:08:46 - Order of Ecclesia

1:10:36 - New PS5 firmware

1:11:31 - Gene's new Lego Horizon info

1:18:21 - Is Killzone dead?

1:33:47 - Monster Hunter Wilds open beta

1:37:38 - Minecraft is now native on PS5

1:40:09 - Vampire Survivors Castlevania DLC

1:43:28 - Ubisoft disbands Prince of Persia team

1:49:05 - What Are We Playing?

2:34:39 - Bungie update

2:51:22 - Spider-Man 2 PC release and no DLC

3:14:37 - God of War TV show updates

3:32:19 - Circana stats

3:47:46 - Are games innovating less?

3:58:20 - Is 120 fps even worth it?

4:02:08 - Is the tide turning on PS5 Pro?

4:06:42 - Gaming racists on Twitter

4:12:45 - PS2 anniversary celebration?

4:21:04 - AI apocalypse

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Caleb Peacock

McDonald’s is good every time if you get a quarter or double quarter pounder because they have to make it fresh. Found out this episode about the ecoli and I had 2 last week lmao.

Zachary Beach

My brother in law played metal hellsinger with the rhythm function off. That’s basically the experience that explains best what persona fans feel Colin is doing with the guide stuff.

Zack E

Man sometimes I wonder if I’m just in la la land. I’ve never once thought about someone else using a guide or any sort of help in anyway for a game, for any reason. Including whether or not they have the “authority” to speak on a games quality. Idk I feel like someone could just watch a long play of a game on YouTube and still provide interesting thoughts on a game. I suppose I understand why someone might think it’s “lame”, but why do you need to act like it is literally a wrong way of going about it?

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

An interesting observation I've had about AI and automation is what has occurred has been the opposite of what we assumed. I'm a tradesmen and the jobs I keep seeing get taken by automation are desk jobs. AI can do data entry, code, HR etc. You will never see a robot roof a house, prep and paint a house, install a sink, HVAC. I've seen some automated welding machines but they all need to same manpower to look after them as they did to weld. Learn to code was wrong. Learn to build is what we should have been saying.

Mysterious Narrator

Wait wait, I'm not a comic nerd by any stretch of the imagination. But I heard Colin refer to Professor Xavier's handicap chair as a wheel chair. Yet I'm 80% certain it has no wheels and actually hovers. Does any of it matter. Of course not.

Dennis

Yeah the Netherlands is a tiny country. But like Colin always says about games we have "a lot of development per square inch". Or per meter to make it more accurate.

NeO JD

I agree with Col on the walkthrough for Persona games being needed as you’ll miss things BUT it’s not needed for Metaphor unless you’re trying to platinum. I finished the game and saw it all, got everything, etc without one. The devs did a great job this time of fixing that and I hope the other team working on P6 does the same. Also, fuck that write in about that not being a legitimate way to play a game or talk about it.

Bogey

Dustin: you’re eliminating one of the main intended gameplay elements of the game, choosing how to manage your time Colin: But I’m seeing all the content Also Colin…. We have too much content slop, consume consume consume

LongJohnSivers#1Fan

The idea that people should/will just buy a PC if games go there is ridiculous. "Content creators" and those who engage with them are in a bubble. They imagine everyone has a PC and uses them. I am a pretty serious gamer and never played on a PC and nether do any of my friends. It's not as common as with normal people as the people leading the conversations believe. Not everyone needs to be capturing footage and/or streaming. I just play- on my TV. In other words, it's greatly misrepresented by games media.

Ryan

Chris play games challenge. 2-3 hours (30mins-1hour in reality) of SH2 in a week? That’s it?

Joe Perez

The whole tchotchke bit was hilarious 😂

Tristan Kimball

Im finally going to check out forbidden west when i get my ps5 pro. Should be the perfect game to play on the more powerful hardware

AngelOfCake

I can actually see where Colin is coming from on using the guide. It's the most time efficient way to get to see everything. An interesting follow up question would be... if he didn't have a backlog longer than his lifespan would he play the games differently? I was faffing about for about ten hours in Elden Ring when it occurred to me that I could be playing it for a thousand hours if I didn't use a map and wiki. There is too many games I want to get through and its eating into my reading backlog already.

Lunar Tear

2:27:00 - "You're not going to play this again." I would argue that many do, in fact, play these Persona team games again as is evidenced by the complete editions (P3P, P3FES, P4G, P5R, Catherine Full Body). Anecdotally, I've played through all of those several times. Im sure that doesnt extend to the average player, but Ive enjoyed experiencing them blind on my first run, and using a guide for my subsequent playthroughs.

TheWubbz

I think Colin is maybe mixing up Spoilers and Immersion. Sure you aren’t being spoiled, but you certainly aren’t letting yourself get immersed in the world of the game when using a guide as often as he says he does

C

Colin, if people used guides to 100% Symphony of the Night, of The Last of Us, or whatever other game you love, you would be the first to say they didn’t engage with the game properly.

DeathByClams

Idahoan here, I use tchotchke strictly because of this podcast

Cory Knudsen

The Kratos in Norse God of War is only 6' 4".

Look Up 2:27 of Delusions of Grandeur - Glazed Donut Zero (Official Video)

The guide talk comes across as very much gatekeeping. I completely understand the argument that using a guide removes what some would argue is a gameplay element, but I have to ask: Why does everyone have to enjoy something in the way you deem valid? Why can’t two people enjoy a thing for different reasons? I know Dustin has his ideas about Metaphor, but it is gatekeeping. Of course, Colin definitely wanted to discuss it, so…🤷‍♂️ Enjoy what you enjoy and don’t let anyone tell you you’re doing it wrong!

Benji_B2sick

As far as god of war. It might end up being a shit tv series. But these guys are talking like they’ve never seen the lord of the rings trilogy.

Greg McDonald

Colin was saying we've not had an FPS since Shadow Fall. I mean, technically, we had Concord lol

NecrumOddBoy

An epic rap battle video literally just came out yesterday lol

suk.meXe

You're not alone Colin Horizon is tight Idk why it can't get a fair shake & Non-spoiler guides are a totally valid way to play, if anything just to make tabs on missable content. Especially rpgs (Half the people bitching are probably gonna use them anyway)

Robbie Agnew

Colin def is broken. But to each their own.

Tyler Cumerford

The metaphor argument lacks real empathy I think. Some people get real anxiety about missing things to the point where if they do miss something, they don't even want to play anymore. I can see it both ways, but those who can't need to put themselves in other peoples shoes I think. And you could argue that means the game isn't for them, but they should still be allowed to play it with the accessability features they want to use. Using a guide for a persona like is an accessability feature for people with anxiety. Just see it that way.

TheWubbz

Listened to the rest of the episode. I can’t believe no one stopped to correct that Kratos is Greek.

DeliveryBoy.357

Dustin, I played NieR: Automata for the first time a few weeks ago. Ending E fucked me up. It’s one of the best games I’ve ever played and a favorite of mine now.

Adam Barnes

Dio, you’re an absolute wanker. Please don’t write in again.

Seth

I think Chis secretly hates Collin based on the political views that he has been spouting over at his snark tank podcast. Chris really thinks that people with Right-wing views are subhuman. Collin is paying him 100k a year to work 3-6 hours a week, so he has to pretend so he can suckle on Colins teat. It's quite pathetic actually.

Josef Barker

I've never heard risotto pronounced like it's said in this episode. So wrong.

Dick Stillhard

There is a wrong way to play games. Full stop. When people argue the contrary, dig deep enough into what they’re into and watch how they will rationalize that you played it wrong. Doki Doki Lit Club guided walkthrough? You don’t wanna miss content! Theres a fine line between options and intent. Playing Metaphor as a book is obviously breaking the intent of the game and is actively deleterious. Your opinion of this game will be tainted by this; it’s not to say you cant play it like that.

Jacob Lesperance

I go into every game blind. Then if I want to platinum i look at a guide. I'd rather miss some things and experience it organically, than plan out my playthrough. Thats just me

Max Stahl

I wanted Spider-Man 2 DLC for them to buy back my disappointment with the game, but they'd have to redo it to really do that. It's smart for them to move on. I hope Peter can have another journey with a not-outright-evil version of the Venom symbiote, later on. "Hey, uh, sorry. My father controlled my mind with the meteor. No hard feelings. I'm a big fan!"

Kevin Cooper

My heart sank when Colin said he played the first two Danganronpa games with a "go here-then go here" guide. I don't think seeing (or not seeing) all the content is the issue for me; it's that the core idea of each Danganronpa game is "playing detective" to solve each case. So if a guide told you to go-to-this-room-and-look-here, then you've removed that entire core concept, which in my opinion is what makes the games fun and worth playing in the first place. Play games the way you want, obviously... no judgment (but also judgment).

Gooch Gobbler

Colin playing every game with a guide is not REALLY playing a game in the same way that AI art is not REALLY art. No, I will not elaborate

Gooch Gobbler

I use guides for Silent Hill 2's puzzles but I'm also a bitch for that and I understand I am missing a part of the experience by using a guide. Just be honest with yourself lol

AJ The Turtle UA GB

£380 for a diskless PS5 in the uk, as a PC enthusiast you simply CANNOT build a PC that'll play PS5 games the way the PS5 simple as that

AJ The Turtle UA GB

You touched on physical games being cheaper than digital in Japan. I can say it's similar here in the UK. Recently I bought Silent Hill 2 physical for £54 at Argos in the UK and it's the same price on Amazon too and digital is £60 on PSN I also bought Until Dawn physical for £52 from Argos and it's digital edition is £60 on PSN. I wonder why... This mystery must have a reason

Lawson72

Saying something looks like a PS3 game is just bizarre. PS3 had powerhouses like Crysis 3, RDR, and TLOU. They all had the fidelity of modern products even today, but ran like ass. Metaphor looks better than my recent plat, FF13-2 by a long stretch and runs in FHD+ and a smooth 60 fps. Only glaring issue is the damn anti-aliasing / dynamic resolution adding the damn shimmering which seems to be finding it's way into everything.

BazzBlaster

Guides certainly have a purpose, and people can do what they want. As an example though, if you use a guide to tell you EVERY next move in chess, are you a chess player?

Fotis Lyto

I get what Colin is saying but playing the game with a guide is you playing someone else's game, you didn't really play your game. Do you know which other people see everything in a game? The people that watch YouTube long plays

Andrew Long

People care way too much about how others play their games. Everyone can and should play the game however they want to

Jakob Podstawek

Please, for the love of God, make a video of Colin and Chris sipping tea, while reading a book/paper. We can even have Dustin silently editing footage, with only the sound of the mouse click.

Bailey Callis

Why does Colin State that Kratos is 7 foot 8? It's been made clear that in the reboot, he's about 6 foor 4. Look it up guys. Do these fellas really think that child Atreus is 6 foot? 😂 Even if they're doing the old Kratos, I'm sure they'll just retcon.

Cornelius

Colin's the type of guy to read a choose your own adventure book in sequence to get the ultimate experience

Samuel Zamora

In terms of the guide part… I say let people play how they like to play, as long as it’s a single player experience that doesn’t ruin someone else’s. Who gives a shit. Leave your Boi Colin alone. He’s likes to play solo, his style does not ruin anyone else’s.

Draven E.

I’ve played persona 4 and 5 guileless and used a guide on P5 Royal and P3R and will never go back. It’s more fun for me this way. I’m an adult who doesn’t have time to miss important parts of the game. Also if you are the type of dork who goes out of there a to judge how a person plays his game just means you have too much time in life. Colins right on this one 🤷‍♂️😂