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A conversation involving such dramatic shifts in the brand requires as much nuance as we can gather! Summoned to the realm of the Dukes are none other than Last Stand Media's own Gene Park and Rick Hoeg to help us sift through the fallout of last week's Xbox layoffs. Any single one of these stories could be our lead for the week, but let's get it started with Microsoft's $80 billion investment in their AI infrastructure. Sadly, it has been reported that this is the root cause of the layoffs. Naturally, an investment to the tune of almost $12 billion more than Activision doesn't sneak up on you. The question we're left asking in wake of these claims is how leadership was able to blindside staff within Xbox despite likely knowing about these impending changes for months. Why meet with teams like Zenimax Online Studios and Romero Games, prepare hardware investments, create long term production plans only to axe them by the following weekend? A fired up Rick Hoeg will certainly let us know how he feels on the matter (IYKYK). Speaking of Zenimax Online Studios, we now have details on the canceled Project Blackbird to parse through thanks to multiple insider reports. Blackbird was an online, open world RPG focusing on shooting and traversal mechanics with a planned release window of 2028. With the pedigree of this studio being clear and the risk being low compared to most live service initiatives out there, why shut down something with such great potential? Well, perhaps that's because in a "hits only" business, you need to go with the guarantee. There's no greater guarantee for money than the Fallout IP and, finally, it appears Xbox has come to their senses. Multiple Fallout games are in production! Reason for celebration, no? We'll get to that. Plus, our thoughts on Helldivers 2 coming to Xbox, a Halo project potentially in trouble, and returning once more to the "Great Game Pass Profitability Debate."Timestamps:0:00:00 - Intro

0:07:15 - Write Ins

1:02:59 - What We’re Playing

1:46:33 - Microsoft's $80 billion investment led to last week's layoffs

2:40:54 - Details on Project Blackbird

3:21:40 - Multiple Fallout games in development

3:39:53 - The next Halo game is in trouble?

3:50:59 - Helldivers 2 is coming to Xbox on August 26th

4:11:14 - The great Game Pass profitability debate

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Killwin

Nearly five hours long?! Time to strap in I guess lol

Adam Razak

Now that's a girthy podcast.

Hustle&Motiv8

Almost 5 hours of the DD X GP X and Hoeg let’s get it. Also pizza in DC is okay at best. Gene get some chicken wings and mambo sauce. Thank me later.

BamAHamYum

@grok do I like this?

Cloud

Inject five hours of Defining Duke straight into my VEINS brotherrr

Kasual7

DD coming after SS's lunch and dinner.

BigDumbStupidIdiot

COG was forced to reveal his true form for a 5 hour episode.

Jaylen Scott

Boys will see this lineup and go "Hell yeah".

Ross Stoddart

Fire line up. Fire thumbnail. Boys it’s a good Thursday.

Michael

Defining Duke has been killing it lately.

Bob Spiers

Ralph Ineson is my wife’s uncle. Thanks for shouting him out. Too fella

Omar Rosa

Goated Lineup!!!

thesonofit

Very insightful, especially Gene's dot connection on Microsoft and Hoeg's corporate insight. For me nothing changes for now. XBOX remains my main platform for especially all my Tom Clancy and other Ubi content for now, and I keep my Core subscription for online features and cloud, and play most other things on PS5 Pro. Very sorry for especially all the creatives who did lose their jobs underservingly and suddenly. Also great take from Matt and Gene on this especially.

Derpology Mcswag

This was such a good lineup! Hoeg had the monologue of a lifetime and shoutout to his brother!

Bartevious

@grok does #1 Brad Ellis Fan like this?

Cloud

I love Matty pretending like he knows what it's like to be lonely cause he couldn't get a girlfriend in high school as if that's the same as being alone at 40 🤣 mf got married before he had any chest hair gtfo of here with that lmaoo

Adam Razak

Goddamn, I want to give Hoeg a medal during the Project Blackbird segment. That whole conversation was peak DD talk.

Caleb Peacock

A+ episode boys. One for the books

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

Bro, I lived in Hawaii for 3 years. The pizza there was some of the worst shit I've ever eaten. Gene is straight up wrong about DC pizza being worse than Hawaii pizza hhaa

Remington Wilson

Really love this group. Hoeg is always awesome.

Jacob Lesperance

As a consumer why do you care about if game pass is making money? As a consumer why do you care that Xbox or any company is laying off employees? If we just don't care because we're consumersers, than please just stop talking about inside base ball and talk strictly about the games. I'm down with that. It can't be well I'm a consumer so I don't care and than outrage about other issues that you as a consumer should also not care about.

Matty LSM

Thanks? I think? I have to process this some more. - Matty

Cousin Kenny

Absolute banger of an episode, fellas. Bravo.

Stephen King

Guys, you KILLED it on this episode. Absolute 🔥.

Bert Chintus

There’s something to be said about how yall can have these tough conversations but make them extremely entertaining and engaging. The 4 of you rock!

Carlos Hernandez

5 hours of doom and gloom of xbox being dead . wah wah wah 🍼🍼🍼

Captain Bon Clay

Any chance we could bring back DD ultimate for a special fallout episode? Maybe get camelworks or other fallout YouTubers on? You could take about what you want for the future of fallout

Jordan Falduto

This episode was fire, sure. But I can't help feel we've missed out with 235 episodes without this AAAA lineup.

Westen J

love you guys. one of the best you guys have done

Save Scum Goblin

so cog won’t vote with his wallet because phil spencer hasn’t read the writing on the wall out loud to him?

Envydiel

Not caring about how or where your products are made and their sustainability is low IQ, drooling smooth brain behaviour.

BigDumbStupidIdiot

COG said he's going down with the ship the same way he did with Genesis. Dude is going to burn some bridges professionally by talking so negatively about Xbox leadership

Gabriel Baker

Honestly same. I know Matty and Cog have been resistant to the idea of bringing on additional members, and DD has always been a two person show but this lineup is stellar. This episode is 5 hours long though, that could be a pain point for scheduling a recording time around Gene and Hoeg’s jobs

Daddy T

But it is dying? Lol

Daddy T

Bro felt like a sad boy anime character typing that out

Slippery when wet

Matty hit the game pass topic perfectly. Surprised cog can’t see why people care. Yes gamepass is a great deal for consumers but if Microsoft are constantly closing down studios it does bring in to question of gamepass being the cause. Gamepass led to monster acquisitions, those acquisitions led to studio closures

Vladimir Grabbinmikov

Now halos ce remake is apparently coming with just campaign. Remember the OG leak stated that it would also include sprint. Launch 🚀 all of them into the ☀️

Jacob Lesperance

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm asking them to make up their minds. When someone brings up gamepass sustainability, it's always. "I'm a consumer, I don't care, and neither shoukd you." My personal stance is i absolutely care about a product I like doing well.

Lil Jimmy420

Awesome show defining duke always brings the energy hoeg bringing his gangster out, Gene is always goated too

Publix Chicken tender sub

Ghost has sold 13 million not Luigis number but good numbers. Ghost cost 60 million to develop that’s freaking good.

Anthony Palerino

This was a great pod for that Hoeg energy. Really liked hearing his/his family member’s perspective on this. The Dukes and especially Gene are GOATs as always

Gooch Gobbler

You can't be lonely in high school? lol that's like the premise of damn near every piece of media about high school

Gooch Gobbler

I too just got pizza on an island and it was some of the worst I have ever had, was like $40 too...the islands gotta get it together

bigafroman14

Awesome episode and its great to see Gene and Hoeg on especially since they're basically unofficial DD members.

danny

FANTASTIC (in Frank West's voice) Legit goated episode. Everyone vibed so well and it was so much fun to listen to. Have to agree with Matty and say this is probably my favorite DD episode ever and maybe my favorite episode of any show on LSM ever. Hoeg with the measured and analytical takes, Cog bringing the good vibes and energy, Gene being Gene, and Matty bringing the passion and expertly guiding the episode, making sure everyone gets a chance to say something. Please make this group happen more often

Save The Game Media

My brother and I both sold our Series X consoles this week. We aren’t “done with Xbox” - I’ll still play their games but we are done with the box.

Stewy108

Damn. S- tier episode.

Hozi

Sad note but this was one of the best episodes ever.

NeO JD

Kinda wish this was the lineup all the time. Hell of an ep gents. #HitsOnlyDD

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

The people who hate Xbox will like this episode for sure. It wasnt bad, don't get me wrong, and it was funny as hell. However, all write ins were Xbox bad, and the only person who was actually providing analysis was Hoeg. Its the editorial choices of the episode that were clear. It was Xbox bad (a lot justified in my opinion), but it's strange to hold up Nintendo which is fresh off a string of anti-consumer moves and gloss over PlayStation which has done EXACTLY the same thing as Xbox (layoffs, communication disasters, closed studios and projects). Why are they different? Why isn't the analysis the same? There's so much Xbox hate. I don't get it. #HitsOnlyDD #HitsOnlyDD

Kojima Made Me Gay

lol. I do like peace walker. Not a big fan of dc or god of war 2018 tho. The man has a good take once in a blue moon. “Fuck Microsoft” must be one of those times the broken clock is right.

Kojima Made Me Gay

Haha haven’t watched them much since our boy left kinda funny. I find them as cringe as you find my comment.

Kojima Made Me Gay

Oh nice. I mean I’m sure it’s a pretty common way to feel during layoffs though. Kinda funny is far from having a monopoly on opinion. lol. But I’m not gonna cry if you assume we are connected in a Star Wars style small universe.

Evan Westendorf

Think they focused mostly on Xbox because they were the ones in this news cycle, and there was a lot to cover. Ive heard both of them talk about the things youve brought up about Sony and Nintendo at other times. I dont disagree that bringing those things up would be more "balanced" but that also wouldnt really excuse what MS is doing in this instance.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

I get it. I love the Dukes but sometimes I have to remind myself this is more a reaction show than true analysis. The hate I don't get though at all.

John Cole

No, the people who share this current frustration will like this episode. Most of us love xbox and sometimes need to vent. You seem like one of those guys who only acknowledge the positives and never the negatives. This ‘whataboutism’ needs to stop in this community. Most of us don’t give a damn what’s going on with nintendo or playstation. We’re talking about xbox.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

Exactly, to vent. Emotional. Not logical or rationale. I'm naturally more inclined to accept analysis and not emotional-based arguments. I think comparing and contrasting isn't whataboutism. I also think it's slightly naive to not take into account the industry as a whole when trying to figure out the why. I have been on record saying leaders need to lose their jobs because of how poor it is, so I'm not all sunshine and rainbows.

zepplinmike

Loved this episode! Might I suggest if DD ends up transforming into a PC gaming podcast, adding Hoeg as a permanent 3rd since not only is he a great perspective in general, but I’ve also noticed he tends to get into some more niche PC genres like strategy, 4X, sims, etc. Gene could also be the Neil Young to the group’s CSNY, ie in the group but not always around since he’s already on PU weekly. Also, the AI boyfriend segment had me rolling. Listened to that one section many times. That’s the wildcard Gene energy we know and love!

Derpology Mcswag

Probably my favorite piece of LSM content 🫡

John Cole

So what? If we want to vent, we can. You’re the only one who has a problem with it. It’s a hobby we enjoy and if see issues, we are allowed to speak on it. Just because it is “emotional” doesn’t mean it’s not logical or irrational. You simply don’t like negative talk around Xbox. That’s a YOU problem. And it absolutely is whataboutism. Literally no one is talking about PlayStation right now but when they did have layoffs, people spoke on it. But I guarantee you that you didn’t have an issue with people digging into Sony. Let’s be real. You lean xbox, like most of us here do, but the difference is, you don’t want to call bs out. We all know the industry is in the gutter. No one is naive about that. But CLEARLY these cuts were to have extra capital for AI.

Mr. Scott If You're Nasty

I never said you can't vent. I never said you weren't allowed to speak on it. I also never said I don't like negative talk regarding Xbox. I'm not attacking you either. It's okay to have differences about these things. If you go back to my original post, my main issue was with the lack of true analysis and it being overly slanted against Xbox. When compared to others, I also said I didn't get why Xbox gets so much hate. Just to be clear.

Trill Spencer

Hoeg was absolutely spitting on this episode

Bogey

I just now got around to this episode. Cog: “Games get cancelled everyday B” Was that a fucking Paid in Full reference? Lmao

Andy Carroll

I have been on the “my boyfriend is AI” subreddit for 77 hours straight. Please help me