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Please welcome friend-of-the-show Jez Corden back to Sacred+. Jez joins me (Colin) from his usual perch at Windows Central and The Xbox Two Podcast for a nearly two hour-long conversation about a variety of topics revolving around the idea of industry accountability. For instance, why haven't Hermen Hulst and Matt Booty been deemed responsible for a staggering number of first party failures and false starts for their respective brands? How come the Xbox c-suite isn't held liable for saying and believing one thing, and then delivering and supporting the polar opposite? Who at Sony will ever answer for the level of inexplicable decision-making that has both a Horizon MMORPG and a Ratchet & Clank multiplayer game skipping their own native hardware? And who's holding a once-aggressively vocal fanbase to account for blindly cheering the undoing of their ecosystem, only to pretend that never happened? We have much to get through! Please enjoy.

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BigDumbStupidIdiot

Two scorned fan boys venting? This is going to be a good one

Murder and Such (edited)

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2026-09-05 19:00 Just gonna say… having a conversation about “accountability” with the guest being the guy that said “no, Xbox isn’t porting their games, that’s just hard hopium from fanboys” screams there’s gonna be a distinct lack of self awareness in this episode.
2025-11-15 17:05

AL022

Honestly, love that Colin tries to make this a thing. But Jez is just a serial console warrior and Xbox marketer, it's too hard to take him seriously. Can't listen to one of these again. Jez on Twitter is super obnoxious.

Bogey

Having accountability doesn’t mean never being wrong. It means owning up to your mistakes Jez has said he got that completely wrong and owned it

Beef Burka

Didn't Colin also say at one point that he couldn't see Hell Divers II going to Xbox? Then he admitted he was wrong. I don't follow Jez, other than his appearances on Sacred, but when I hear him, he sounds a lot to Xbox like Colin is to Playstation.

Repede

Love when u have jez on

Shadi Haddad

Great topic idea, but this is the wrong guest. Jez is literally part of the issue you're discussing.

Deemac

100% agreed. I know he's a friend of the show and Colin likes him, but I just cannot take Jez serious at all - he's exactly the kind of Xbox shill/fanboy online that Colin is always complaining about

Your Boi Nicky V

Great convo so far, love it when you two collaborate.

Smegaladon

Jez gets payed by Microsoft right?! Surely no one simps that hard for corporations for free….

Ryan

Surely colin must not actually see what Jez says and does online? I mean why else would he have him on this episode discussing THIS topic lmao

Dante B

Gotta admit, I feel the same way. I think this about Destin too. They’re the exact people that he’s talking about.

KYisLife

I haven’t heard Jez before, but I liked this conversation and the back and forth with Colin.

Daddy T

Destin Furman?

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

I'm glad you mentioned the world of warcraft subscription Jez. I've been an on and off Wow player for decades. I'm a die hard Game Pass player. But I had to downgrade from ultimate because its just too much money. If they folded in the Wow subscription? Now we are talking. But Fortnite...? Completely useless to me.

Smegaladon

I agree, two of the biggest dickheads on the internet. Probably nice guys offline but man do they suck that Microsoft tit hard

Dante B

I do not understand how Jez can sincerely say that we just disagree and he thinks GamePass is a success. I just don’t get it. A level of doubling down I can’t relate to in my weakest moments.

jameswoo

Talk about the good old days when ms still made devices… bring back windows phone 🤣

Frank

Think I agree with the sentiment that Jez isn't the right guest for this. The final discussion about influencers cheering on explicitly what ended up being Xbox's death knell in the activistion acquisition (and wanting even more) perfectly describes Jez.

C

Passing on this, not sure what Colin sees with this guy. Has he not seen his twitter?

Haru Discourse

Love hearing Jez on LSM! XB2’s collabs with the dukes are the reason I started listening to LSM’s shows in the first place, so these episodes feel like a full circle moment for me.

caswellow

Talking about accountability with Jez has to be a joke. Dude

Daniel M

Colin, you should try Linux mint cinnamon (or another friendly Linux distro) it's glorious to turn on the PC and not have 1500 pop up, updates, adverts and forced tickets.

Pianopower

That Jez guy is so full of shit. Fuck him

Dustin's furry little wheener

I agree with Colin — he’s right on many points. But he keeps saying “the buck has to stop with someone,” and then points to Herman Hulst. The thing is: someone did already take the fall. Jim Ryan. He was above Hulst, he pushed the entire live-service pivot, and he’s the one who started throwing money around instead of pursuing the kind of organic growth Sony is known for. That strategy came from the top. Hulst was clearly operating under pressure from Ryan, trying to execute that live-service push at high speed — and yes, he failed. But it’s also very possible he was one of the voices saying, “What are we even doing? This isn’t our strength.” Now that Hideaki Nishino is in charge, things feel very different. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of leader who tolerates nonsense or underperformance. If he thinks Hulst isn’t capable, Hulst is gone. Simple as that. For now, I’d give Hulst a fair chance under this new leadership structure. I genuinely think better years are ahead for PlayStation. We’ll see.

lazer_josh

*Anything at all happens Colin: how can that be?

Alan

Only reason for not having a ps5 is because of lack of space?

bigafroman14

Man this comment section is so toxic I think you all need to chill and stop being so terminally online. Jez has always been a decent guy on all his guest appearances here idk whats up with lsm community recently.

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

I know right? You can not like him. Then just don't watch or listen to the episode and move on. But I can just hear these sad internet crusaders click clacking on their keyboards to make hateful/nonconstructive comments. You can save yourself so much time by just... moving on...

Hallic0Hicks

Jez openly glazing the xbox execs still after everything that's gone wrong in the last few years is pure delusion. Oh, Matt Booty is a great guy Jez?? That's fantastic. He still has utterly failed in his role and should have been sacked ages ago.

PRETENTIEUX

it's not delusion bro. you gotta accept when people are bad actors. not everyone is an idiot. people in high places who are making constant "mistakes" are maybe just not measuring the same sticks as you think they are

PRETENTIEUX

internet crusaders agree: don't talk negatively about any guest on LSM or you are a GIGANTIC LOSER!

Subeg

Haven’t checked out the ep yet, but journalistic integrity is a great topic to chat about. Especially because there is so much misinformation and half truths being spread on all sides.

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

Hey man I'm not a fan of Jaffe, but guess what? If i see a SS+ with Jaffe I just skip it. Its just that easy!!

Big titty drinker

Bruh I don’t get why they keep letting morons like Jez , Rand and colt on the platform

Luke MacArthur

Awesome to see Jez on here, one of the few level headed Xbox pundits and actually plays in the ecosystem. Good discussion fellas.

Big titty drinker

Jez is a complete fucking clown. Please leave the clowns at the circus where they belong.

Evan Westendorf

Its wild to see so many people here complaining about Colin....hosting conversations they arent forced to listen to? Hes an equal opportunity interviewer. As long as the interview is interesting to him/the broader topic, he will interview whoever, even if they disagree. I thought thats why people come here, not for a echo chamber. But this, and people complaining about the attempted Alyssa Mercante interview, seems to suggest they only wanna hear from people they agree with on everything

Aaron Owens

So who’s going to say it….

Dante B

I’m glad you “just skip it” but there is a comment section for a reason. Maybe you should just skip the comment section too if it’s that bothersome? I agree with you Jez is probably a perfectly lovely human being. I don’t wish him ill will. I don’t even think he shouldn’t be on to talk Xbox. But this episode is specifically about accountability for paid Xbox shills and their messaging over the years. And that’s literally Jez. That’s all. Cheers.

Mark Pengryn

Did I miss the announce that these episodes drop on Wednesdays now? Always used to dropped Tuesday until like 3 weeks ago.

Anthony Palerino

You can disagree with Jez’s takes and not be hateful assholes towards him. I hope some folks in these comments get pruned from the LSM community. Great pod and I love when Jez is on!

Stephen

Also just not listening to this one.

VanB-Boy 4 life

As a shareholder of Microsoft, I couldn’t care less what they do with Xbox, as long as the share price keeps going up. Sorry not sorry.