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The drama around DLSS 5 has overtaken the gaming industry during the last week. Nvidia's image upscaling tech has been present in our space for years, but its newest iteration (set for a proper fall release) has many people scratching their heads. Have we gone from frame generation to art reinterpretation? Why is this technology being deployed so aggressively, anyway? And how come so many companies were so excited about it until they saw the overwhelmingly negative audience response? Let's delve headfirst into the mystery of the Yassified Grace, and all of the fallout therein. Plus: A fresh rumor indicates PlayStation Network branding will disappear later this year, Sony has apparently automatically refunded people for any spending in the now-cancelled Highguard, PSVR2 second party FPS Firewall Ultra has silently been delisted, PlayStation 3 received its random annual firmware update, legendary Tom Clancy developer Red Storm has been gutted, and more. Then: Listener inquiries! Have any of us messed around with a PS3 emulator? What's going on with Street Fighter 6's creepy new storyline? With Bravely Default skipping PS4 and PS5, is it safe to assume Square Enix isn't actually done with exclusives? Did two Sacred Symbols fans miss each other by mere seconds in a Dollar Tree parking lot?

Timestamps:0:00:00 - Intro

0:17:29 - Sacred Symbols missed connection

0:18:46 - The Oscars Vs The Game Awards

0:27:32 - New Titans logo

0:32:29 - This is life huh?

0:35:29 - DLSS 5

1:14:13 - Sonny is dropping the PlayStation Network branding

1:27:46 - Sony refunding Highguard purchases

1:34:14 - Starfield is officially coming to PS5

1:41:19 - Portal update

1:48:15 - Firewall Ultra delisted

2:02:31 - New PS3 Firmware

2:07:15 - Layoffs at Red Storm

2:13:26 - Exodus gameplay

2:18:24 - Saudi Arabia buys 5% of Capcom

2:19:50 - What We’ve Been Playing (Minishoot Adventures, Chronicles of the Wolf, Resident Evil Requiem, Marathon)

2:59:57 - PSNProfile leaderboards change

3:05:44 - Giving up on gaming

3:12:18 - PS3 emulation

3:21:05 - Bravely Default only on Xbox

3:23:33 - Flopathon website

3:29:19 - Street Fighter 6 controversy

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Stephen King

The Colin Moriarty reference in the thumbnail has me cracking up, LOL

Daddy T

Best thumbnail you’ve done yet Dustin

Alan

That thumbnail though 😂

TheWubbz

Great thumbnail

Jack Johnson

Which member of Digital Foundry referenced Gene and what did they say?

Ren Quin

Dustin! You are not Luka Doncic lol

Johnny Lamotte

Let’s goooo Dustin!! Bolt up go chargers lol

zepplinmike

The write-in that said DLSS 5 is “objectively more accurate” and accused people of lying is flat wrong. We now know, thanks to YouTuber Daniel Owen getting direct answers from Nvidia, that the DLSS 5 AI model only uses as data inputs the 2D image and motion vectors from individual frames, makes its own inferences based on its general LLM model, and then paints over each frame with its own image. It does not at all take in information about lighting sources elsewhere in the scene and is therefore NOT more accurate. Furthermore, in Nvidia’s examples, it added things not there like Grace’s makeup and hair on one side of a guy’s head in Starfield. The model also doesn't take in any gameplay information not readily apparent to the LLM. For all the talk of developers being able to tweak it, they can only tweak the color grading and intensity of the model. They can't, for instance, tell it to leave the makeup off of Grace because it's inappropriate to the character and the scene. So no, NOT more accurate. It actually is simply the AI slop filter we all thought it was and can clearly see with our eyes, but Nvidia tried to obfuscate with technobabble. Here is a link to a Reddit thread and the video from Daniel Owen: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1rya1bg/daniel_owen_nvidia_answers_my_dlss_5_questions/

Dante B

Came here to ask the same

Ryan

The true sacred symbols: L,G B, T 😭😂 #gayyy #gaydustin

Jacob R.

Legendary fucking thumbnail

Cameron Box

That thumbnail is fucking phenomenal, Dustin

Joshua Jones

Did i miss something.Why did they cancel the shirts

Bogey

Oscars are still super fun to me. Me and the fam all watch the best picture/actor/actress nominees every year and tune in. It’s a good time. It’s our favorite tradition I highly recommend it if you’re into film Just go in knowing there’s going to be cringe moments, and that the academy will probably pick the wrong winners, and just don’t take it seriously, I think you’ll have a good time.

Matthew Cooper

DLSS 5 is a complete abomination, pure AI slop... The video game industry is cooked. AI is the death of art.

Dante B

Talked about it at length last episode.

JS (clashclay)

Is that a misspelled sony in the timestamps 1:14:13 not very Colin like 🤣

StewDog

Another great thumbnail Dustin. Also, I think Mystic Ryan is Canadian!

Rayden

That thumbnail sent me

GunMetalJackal

Who the heck at DF was smack talking the Genester?! 🤬

Magnus

The DLSS OFF version of Chris should be the Metroid 4 guy

Cooper

I’m digging the thumbnail, Lukin Furmic.

Big Devin Energy

Why is the name of this episode not “I can feel it cumming in the air tonight - oh lord”

Simon

I'm still playing ps3. Just played Ducktales and onto Pixel Junk Eden and From Dust.

Thomas Gardner

Portal cloud streaming has been a revelation for me. I've had the same experience as Tim with the Portal. The stability seems to be vastly better - I presume because there are other internet devices fighting for bandwidth against my PS5.

Vladimir Grabbinmikov

Colin casually claiming that he’d “just buy starfield on Xbox” back when it came out. Fucking huh?

Ryan

No lie if you think that DLSS 5 stuff looks cool or good I think you should be dragged out of your house and s**t in the street.

Walk Forward Cutscene

As someone who doesn’t like AI, it’s psychotic people like you that will make it mainstream. Great work!

Justin Zasada

Dustin - portal cloud streaming is great when you have a fast connection (I.e. Business hotel), comparable streaming in home off my Ps5 pro. I wanted to try out death stranding on vacation without having to download it to my console, and it was very nice Chris - play 'tak and the guardians of Gross' (probably on a ps2 emulator) for your SotC fix. It's kinda terrible iirc but it is a platforming/giant boss style game I never hear anyone talk about

Hustle&Motiv8

Is episode 500 going to be in London?

Vanzant

DLSS 5 will lead to less employment/programmers doing far less meaningful work. Pretty bleak.

Save Scum Goblin

I’m definitely in the minority when it comes to taboo topics in video games. I really am indifferent more so leaning in the direction of having them in games and I find it strange how there’s arbitrary lines drawn, specifically in video games. If you look at TV they have an abundant amount of unsavory themes (GoT, Euphoria etc) and it brings a sort of life to the piece of work, like “yea I could actually see that happening”. We’ve transitioned into an era where everyone gets outraged over something “problematic” in games not having the self awareness that it’s just that, a GAME. EDIT: The most recent example (besides SF6) is the Sherry and Leon debacle. It’s like, is it weird? Well yea but at the same time could fighting zombies for 40 years bring two people together like that, despite the taboo aspect? also yea. idk

Bisexual Lighting Rigger

I will fight just as hard against this as people fought for trademen losing jobs to automation.

GlasgowRaider

To the guy who is a dad concerned about playing games. Year 1 is not too bad, they sleep a LOT. The nest few years are rough, fit them in in the evening. Get games you can pause. Multilayer games a no no. Once a decent age play games with them. As they get older tou will get more time. Mine are 16 and 13 now and after 10 years of diminished gaming im now playing RE9 with my 13 year old son and its AWESOME. Also playing Marathon in the evenings. Hang in there

Aaron

If i had one guess, id say Alex at DF

Grahamer Naughtsi

I got extremely lucky with my wife. We have two kids and and my wife understands that I need time to myself. I don't play as much as I want to but I'm willing to bet I play more than most dads with a full time job. You just gotta make time when you can. You can still enjoy what you love while being with the ones you love.

Evan Westendorf

I think its important to note that Digital Foundry focuses a ton on the technical side of things - basically detail/realism maxxing in games is really impressive to them. This stuff objectively makes environments, materials, and lighting look more detailed and real. So I can see why they were excited about it. Some people just dont have an eye for art direction when theyre so focused on pushing realism.

NeO JD

I actually like the old Titans logo better. Had more style. New one feels generic. My fave NFL logo is the Bucs.

Kensington Kensington IV

So I’m a tech moron, but ever since last week, all new Last Stand Podcasts will not play/download on my WiFi. If I disconnect the WiFi, it immediately starts playing over cellular. I deleted the Apple Podcasts app and re-installed it. Weirdly, ALL my other podcasts re-loaded instantly, but the Last Stand ones - same issue with the WiFi. And even weirder, the images didn’t load back, but then did when I turned off the WiFi. What the fuck do I need to do? I don’t know of any settings that I’ve messed with. Just started a week or so ago. Thanks for any help out there!

Ryan

Keep paying for ChatGPT pro dude

Ryan

Yeah seek help rounding these people up

The Big Bong

3 Thoughts on this Episode: - Colin, streaming has positive aspects. You don't have to download /install am massive ammount of data, no updates needed etc. You simply start the game an play it or try it out. Simple as that. I did it more than often and loved it. the one bad thing which is holding me back ist the delay. it is sometimes too strong. - Colin why i/we have always the feeling you love to annoy only dustin? although in my opinion he has farth most objective and very thoughtful opinions. Somehow it comes of as if you love to fuck him up. be more kindly and thankful to him. he is a strong and important gear in your company - The gaming insider thing ist rediculous: You made a half of an episode how bad and not trustworthy they are and now you say, that you dont saw the need to clarify the situation? tell us that you are good now? bc of the original argument me (and i think a lot of others) stoped to trust them. Nothing for bad, but wanted to let the thought here

The Incredible Shulk

Maybe i lucked out with my child. But I don't think i ever games MORE than when my child wasn't mobile. I'd play while she slept (which is most of the time).

Publix Chicken tender sub

To the writer don’t quit your hobby if you love it. I am a father of 3 they are grown now. Things change and eventually you will have more time.

GalCapone

Hey, that guy asked the DLSS question. There’s a few gaps in your knowledge. DLSS5 will allow for masking along with controls for intensity and colour grading. It also "takes a game’s color and motion vectors for each frame as input, and uses an AI model to infuse the scene with photoreal lighting and materials that are anchored to source 3D content and consistent from frame to frame." - https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-dlss-5-delivers-ai-powered-breakthrough-in-visual-fidelity-for-games

zepplinmike

Yea I’m totally aware of all of that and referred to it in my comment above. According to the answers Daniel Owen got from Nvidia, the masking will allow devs to leave objects in a scene out of the “enhancement” but won’t allow for specific artistic direction of how the model changes the image. That quote you shared about color and motion vectors as inputs are just another way of saying what I said about the only inputs being the 2D image and motion vectors. DLSS 5 then uses gen AI to create a new 2D image according to its model by making inferences based on the 2D image only (and not other data like lighting sources that are out of frame) and that’s the extent to which it is anchored to the 3D content. The “photoreal lighting” claim so far appears to be more based on the idea that it makes the image look like a well-lit photo posted to the internet as determined by the LLM rather than being based on how real world lighting would work in the scene. The AI model also very clearly changes more than just lighting in the final image it puts out, which is easily observable and well documented online. I honestly think Nvidia has been intentionally unclear in their public descriptions of this so as to make it sound as impressive as possible and also confuse people from realizing it’s just a gen AI image filter (albeit one that processes each frame very quickly, which is where the innovation is). All of this is of course what the current version of DLSS 5 is doing according to available information. With the backlash we’ve seen from both gamers and devs, I’m certain there will be huge changes by the time something called “DLSS 5” is released.

KB

LMFAO watching Sacred Streaming rn and Jaffe is head-over-heels over DLSS5. He said Grace and Leon look way better to him.

Tiger Castle

I know some may think it’s time to put the ps3 out to pasture but as someone who has a ps3-5 I still use my ps3 all the time. So many good game’s still on it and trophies to earn

Remington Wilson

If Yellowstone goes off, I’m dead in Tennessee.

Remington Wilson

“Brownie? Brownie on the back porch momma just chase them off with a broom.”-Forrest

Derek Hart

DLSS5 on Mario and Yoshi would be hilarious

Beef Burka

Colin wanted to trademark the logo and his lawyers showed him opposition to similar trademarks, so he said he was going to pull back and try to "do this right" so that they can both trademark the "Allegheny Hogs" name as well as trademark whatever logo they decide to use in the future.

Daddy T

People read way too much into Colin busting Dustin’s balls lmao

The Big Bong

maybe you are right but its significant, that Chris's Balls never get busted

Bailey Callis

Can we go easier on the Marathon defence force now? Getting shades of Colin with Naughty dog. We geeeeeeet it

Bailey Callis

It was Alex Scar. He got on his high horse and started lecturing Gene on Twitter for going on Last stand because he thinks Colin is toxic

IWorshipCats

I like them as person but the DF crew is not quite as knowledgeable as most people seem to think. They are pretty clueless on many things and had very bad takes in the past. For exemple they said that Starfield 60fps was impossible on current gen and that most current gen only titles would be 30fps and that performance modes were because of cross gen titles. That didn’t make any sense at the time and proved to be completely wrong.

GunMetalJackal

Don't think it was Alex since Gene said good things about him on Jaffe's stream the other day.

Jason Thompson

I’m at home and with my Portal the cloud streaming is far better than streaming off the PS5

Kevin Cooper

Oh man, Chris got me with that Woody Allen impression 😂

Beef Burka

A major megathrust earthquake off the coast of Washington is MUCH more likely to happen in our lifetimes than a VEI 6+ eruption at Yellowstone. Basically a major 8.0+ earthquake WILL occur in the next 300 years or so, Yellowstone probably won't have a major eruption in the next 50,000 years.

David Joyner

Where is next episode? It’s Friday!