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Fireside Chats, Episode 38: The Plight of Postmodernism (Patreon)

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Professor Greg Jackson holds a PhD in history, teaches at Utah Valley University, and hosts the podcast History That Doesn't Suck. I invited Jackson to Santa Monica to discuss modern academia, and what it's like teaching in a contemporary collegiate environment that, from the outside, seems to be burning to the ground. And so we focus our talk around the scourge of postmodernism. We also discuss history as a pursuit, a passion, and a profession. Why is history taught so poorly, and what can we do to make a new generation of young people passionate about the past?

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Ryan Harvey

Sounds like a great topic! Cant wait to dig into this one! Thanks Colin!

Micheal Boudreaux

I work with a bunch of UVU students - just moved down the road from it, actually. So cool to see a UVU prof on here!

CTE

Very good conversation. Also he completely mirrored my experience with Trump voters (full disclosure, I'm not a fan of the president). The thing I'm always saying is I have a lot of friends and family that voted for Trump that I've never even heard suggest something racist. It kills me that the media has decided to demonize them as such. To what end too? If anything it only galvanizes their position regardless of what silly thing he tweets next. Guess it was nice to hear that (and the rest) from this guy.

Marius Skarsem Pedersen

Oh, man. This sounds very interesting! Dig all these different topics and people.

Blair Sutton

Loved this guy. Dammit Rick!

LastStandMedia
>>12507682

It bothers the shit out of me, too. I know some really great people that voted for Trump (and would vote for him again).

Will Hahn

Listening to this right now... as a fourth year college student at Sonoma State, I can say that I’ve witnessed a great amount political unevenness, especially when it comes to debating in my education classes. I know so many people at Sonoma State who can’t stand opposing political and social views. I don’t like to talk about my political views very much because so many students who are far left tend to suppress my views with subjective arguments. The political toxicity is silent, but it’s their.

Quinn

Can't wait to listen after work. If there's one thing I love more than history it's people talking about their love for history.

Owen

Fuckin Rick in Manitoba. That guy really grinds my gears. Get upset just thinking about him. Hilarious - Great podcast. This dude is so passionate about his field, and thats always cool to hear. My degree is virtually worthless now. I have a BA in psychology, and I don't remember half my college time because I was plastered through most of it. College CAN be important kids, but if you're gonna pay as much as you do for an education, take advantage of it while you're there. Otherwise you're just wasting money. I got a degree I do nothing with (I do tech support).

James Galos

This was fascinating to listen to and good to hear not all colleges are as corrupt and crazy as here in CA. Would you ever get a couple people who disagree on a topic to debate and “moderate”? You touched on it a lot through this chat that nobody ever meets in the middle anymore. It would be a very welcome change to political discourse.

LastStandMedia
>>12516581

Nah, not interested in conducting debates or moderating anything on Fireside Chats. What I WOULD want is someone who takes the opposite tact of Professor Jackson, so we could get both sides on the record.

Megan Gierlach

This was wonderful. Why some people think history is boring: I think that students (especially in middle school, high school, and young college) are really absorbed with their present life, and they do not realize how history affects their life or why it is relevant to them. They of course mostly care what their phone says and who likes them. ;) Of course, those people probably also dislike the English books that are set in the past and think those are boring also.

LastStandMedia
>>12522376

Good point... though it perhaps says a lot about my own lack of a social life as a youth that I got into history. =)

Brogan Wassell

DOOOOD .... postmodernity is most DEFINITELY the reason why. I'd love to talk to this guy especially because a lot of people have predicted this stuff like William Lane Craig etc. Really great conversation and fireside chat.

Brogan Wassell

What interested is that a lot of what Jordan Petersen talks about is very anti-postmodernity in the sense that we NEED those traditional narratives because there is a reason why they've lasted so long.

Peter Campbell

Terrific podcast. Found the reasons for the problems in colleges interesting, as well as the point of history as stories. Have subscribed to his podcast

Britton Dowers

Well I know another podcast I'll be binging in the future. Great discussion and can't wait to dive into History that doesn't suck. Loving the eclectic nature of fireside chats. :-)

Michal Dudic

my 2 cents on why people don't like history - as someone who took extra history in high school and did final exams in it. the courses that I went through – and loved– completely failed to contextualize the stories and events described, as well as explain why they matter at all. I had good teachers both in civics and in history, and I studied a lot myself, but it wasn’t until I read The Story of Mankind by van Loon in college that history actually started to make sense to me. I would like to have thought that I applied myself in high school, but as it turns out, I just knew a lot because I enjoyed history, but I didn’t actually understand much. So if a classmate wasn’t interested in the first place, there was nothing in that class to convince them otherwise. For example, we were taught in excruciating detail about Martin Luther, we recognized his protestantism as a turning point in european history, but none of us really understood what that truly meant in the context of 1500 years prior and 500 years after. What that really meant apart from "the church should carry less swag“. I think that high school history curriculum is way overstuffed with unimportant details that dillute the main takeaways (at least in Slovakia, where I’m from) and I ended up finishing high school as a walking encyclopedia, but not really a student of history. Imo, for history to be useful to a citizen, it needs to be WAY zoomed out. I am confident that there are many ways to make Ancient Mesopotamia relevant to a teenager in the 21st century, but they are memorizing the names of city states and rulers instead. In all honesty, The Story of Mankind with its 500 pages could replace our 3-year curriculum and we’d be better off.

Jimmy Valentine

I subscribed to his podcast. This guy is awesome. Thank you for the opportunity to listen to him.

Chad Lewis

Wow what a fantastic podcast. I think you guys hit the nail right on the head with a few things and asked the right questions with others. I think the two biggest detriments in society right now are that 1 you are not encouraged to do what makes you feel good and fulfilled in life and 2 nobody understands the power of true conversation. This stems all the way from High School. I work and volunteer in the school systems in MA and it is a staggering issue with todays youth.

LastStandMedia
>>12532949

Very interesting feedback. See, I need to probe a bit at times like these, because not liking history -- even the dry stuff -- is so foreign to me.

LastStandMedia
>>12561048

"True conversation," as you put it, is so fundamental and so important. Hopefully, we rediscover it again as a society.

Marcus Brown

I learned a lot from this episode, and it was very cool. I wish you guys were my teachers in high school lol cause you guys make history great! It was always boring in school. I never thought in a million years i would listen to a podcast that talks about history, and politics. Thank you Colin! and your great guest Greg Jackson

Marcus Brown

Of course! Thank you Colin👏

WalkinTalkinStephenHawkin

Col, I like almost all the stuff you put out, but THIS episode in particular was a highlight. Between the great topics and natural rapport you and Dr. Jackson had, you absolutely have to do a follow-up. This podcast was the most engaged I've heard you sound since your Beyond days. Great show!

LastStandMedia
>>12682760

Thank you so much! Professor Jackson and I were chatting when we were done, and we definitely want to do more together.

Bobby Bell

Awesome episode. Really hit home. I got into philosophy for the objectivity. I love the subject because it questions everything in a structured manner.... but when I transferred to a continental program, I was met with an unpleasant surprise. I was met with a far left bias and some hostility when I suggested a conservative view in our classes. I dont even consider myself a conservative, I just wanted to see the subject from all sides. So sad that academia is going this route. I was happy to graduate and escape this semester and do my own study in philosophy.

Hose A Contra Razz

So I just got done listening to the podcast, I love it, can you do a quarterly podcast with him on history. I also imagined what kind of history professor you would be. I love history the only problem I had in high school was remembering the dates. My 11 year old son is into history and I enjoy taking to him about US history. What really got me into history was the song civil war by guns and roses when I was 11 and the movie Glory.