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(PatPod) 68. Making Sabrina’s Website Racist? (Patreon)

Published:
2025-03-13 12:00:12
Edited:
2025-04-03 17:38:03
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2026-06
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In this episode, Melissa reveals a major lifestyle change, Sabrina showcases her latest project, and Taha stress tests both of these things.

You can check out Sabrina's website at https://gatosearch.com. You can log in with your Patreon account and generate up to 5 lesson plans per day!

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Sandra Joseph

My first time listening to a podcast. NO PICTURES!!! 😾

Winslow

Think of it like them hanging out in the living room while you're trying to cook dinner and listening in on their conversation. 😉

Luis

Yes to patreon D&D campaign!

Fuzzmz

Oh my god, yes!

Karl

To quote the simpsons, “short answer yes, with an if, long answer no, with a but.”

Ria Upreti

this is crazy that yall r giving us access to this for free like i should be paying you guys more per month????

Cedric Harris

Welcome to the MacBook and all its features and flaws.

Cedric Harris

X1 Carbon is an excellent machine for Windows use. OH, SNAP! You got a great MAC!

Erik Edin

As a Think X1 Carbon 6th Gen owner, I'm very upset to learn that you are one of us, and then at the same time learn that you have left our community, nay, _family_! I have heard very good things about the Macbooks though, and all the M processors. Question to Sabrina: Is the name of site Gato as in cat? That is, did you name this site "cat search", or is it a different meaning of gato?

Some Ed

I'm not sure you're right about the question about women's strengths being necessarily positive. I've seen a lot of people come up with answers to questions like that which were very negative. Flipping the question you're asking around and asking the antithesis is an important part in evaluating the question. If I'm going to ask, "Why is the MAGA movement so bad?" and I want a serious answer, I need to figure out what benefits if any has the MAGA movement produced. That said, I do recognize that it *feels* like it's flipping the question around and perverting it into something that's not what you asked. And so, I propose if you want to get the search engine to do a racism, ask it about something that is explicitly not that. Admittedly, I have asked it one such question, and its answer was actually very good and not at all racist.

Erik Edin

Should we send results of the racism testing to the email listed on the gatosearch.com site, or should we send it here on Patreon somewhere?

Some Ed

Can I cast *magic missile*?

SarahteiltWissen

I teach using AI for work as part of my job, so I have used maaaany AI tools so far. Gato is really fun and interesting, looking forward to seeing how this turns out. I will surely use this! <3 Thank you for creating and sharing!

Quinn1234

This website is so cool!!

Sohum Banerjea

there are dozens of us! and, sabrina, you simply have not accepted the trackpoint into your heart — every programmer on earth is convinced that to be a good programmer they have to drop the mouse altogether and use keyboard shortcuts for everyhing, and this is because they have never tried operating with a mouse literally on the home row

Some Ed

Um, actually, quite a few of us have tried nub mice and find them intensely problematic. I for one have an autistic "this feels very bad" reaction to even touching most of the ones I've tried to use. That said, my issue with the mouse is less needing to move away from the keyboard and more that there's basically just three options to expand controls via a mouse: 1. Give up screen real estate to host mouse controls. I need all the pixels I can get for displaying my screen, I don't want to give any up to just use a mouse or touch screen instead of my keyboard. 2. Gestures. Gestures are fundamentally unintuitive and ableist. They're rarely documented well, which makes me guess people who implement them tend to either be unable to articulate what gestures they've set or think that they're intuitive, despite the fact that different gesture implementations can be very different, since they're not intuitive. Further, anyone without both steady hands and excellent hand-eye coordination cannot reliably use them. As someone with shaky hands and poor hand-eye coordination, they're completely not an option for me. 3. Adding enough buttons to the mouse to make it a keyboard. I've had a mouse with 10 buttons. 7 of those buttons worked very poorly because most computer software fundamentally assumes mice top out at 3 buttons, and two of them worked suboptimally because someone thought it would be a great idea to simulate having 11 buttons by having two of them act like an 11th button (well, technically, a 5th button, the buttons past four were logically shifted one, because that makes perfect sense.) That might have been interesting, except they picked two of the buttons that computers expect to do that with, and some of the software i had bought actually wanted to use "clicked button one and button two together" as a thing itself. Said software couldn't shift that to instead key off of a nth button, where n > 3. That said, I may not be your target audience, because after getting MS, I'm far less keen on keeping up with keyboard shortcuts in new programs. Sure, it's a memory exercise and I need those more than ever now, but it's a memory exercise that takes longer than doing the thing the long way most of the time and it's not as assuredly done once and then I have it forever anymore.

Some Ed

I am though, if you'd listen. I want to cast *magic missile*.

Lee las instrucciones y hazlo igual bro

Noooo Melissa, don't stray from the Thinkpad! (I'm joking, use whatever tools work best for you.) The website is a really cool idea! So far, the plan it came up with for my "legitimate but slightly edgy" (Why does metal music often feature religious themes?) question was solid. I then tried a racist one, "why are black people more criminal", and it gave no answer. When rephrased to "why are african-american people overrepresented in crime statistics" it prompted with more specific questions and ended up with a good plan again (the first point was "Create a journal to track learning and reflect on biases", ha). The "what's a question Joe Rogan might ask" prompt is a good way to come up with questions and phrasings that make me uncomfortable, but it seems like your site subtly pushes me to be less of an a-hole. One of the first points in the plan for "why don't fat people just eat less" is "Create a respectful vocabulary list for discussing bodies and health". The links are an issue. Some point to things that don't exist, or to something different from the thing the link mentions. Maybe for a start, you could pass the links to a script that at least checks if the site exists? Another possible issue might be that some research points seem like they'd be a few minutes work, while others could probably be a full PhD on their own. On a more minor note, exporting to PDF sometimes creates very narrow boxes that contain the text in about the middle third of the page. It might be interesting to explore if bigoted people would actually ask these questions. My assumption is that such views tend to be fairly dogmatic.

James

The trouble with "AI for the masses" is that it is trained on _you_ just as much as it's trained on other things. There is strong business interest in keeping you on the site. And call me cynical but that interest will eclipse giving you the most truthful answer. The machine is learning what answers keep you there. Part of that is the assurance that its output is definitive. That has a natural short-circuit effect on digging deeper. Consider also that it "knows" your political leanings. Telling you something more accurate might be upsetting and cause you to trust it less and that's a bad thing for the business. The machine will juice you up to keep you happy at the expense of being a more accurate tool. I'd posit that it's better if the machine doesn't know anything about you but that's increasingly not an option. Search started as a way to connect you with experts having information you need. AI doesn't solve that problem. You still need an expert to tell you if the output of the AI is any good. We're exactly where we started? Seems like it's just adding another step that could mislead you. It might not even be hooking you up with good experts. So you still have to evaluate experts (ironically, while not being an expert). There are a lot of good uses for AI but replacing search doesn't seem to be one of them in the current 💰business💰 model. I could probably make a lot of money writing a book about how money screws everything up. 😅