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(PatPod) 71. Art is the friends we made along the way (Patreon)

Published:
2025-04-04 12:00:09
Edited:
2025-05-21 16:42:39
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2026-06
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The gang goes in circles debating AI art, Taha says "social construct" so many times it loses all meaning, Melissa refuses to let AI art anywhere near her walls, and Sabrina makes a lot of passionate hand gestures... that you’ll just have to imagine.

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Brian Saines

I now want to see Answer in Progress as LEGO characters

Erik Edin

I was actually thinking about that British drunk renaissance photo, and how it relates to art, just before you mentioned it.

Kep

I don’t think deciding if ai art is art is even something that can be considered as long as it’s built upon theft. It’s giving merit to something that doesn’t deserve merit. Is plagiarism art?

V

On the topic of the Ghibli AI trend, Hayao Miyazaki himself has described AI art as "an insult to life itself" (I believe this is how it was translated) so honestly that trend was really discouraging to see. I think another thing to consider is the harmful environmental impacts of generative AI. I also cannot get over the fact that it is trained off of stolen artwork because if this AI art does have any merit, then the credit still goes to those original artists whose work was taken without their consent to train these models rather than someone who lazily typed a prompt into ChatGPT. Overall, I think it is a tool that can cause real harm to real people and regardless of whether or not it can be considered "real art" I honestly just don't want any part in it.

Lee las instrucciones y hazlo igual bro

A machine can't make art, because art is about human intention and experience, it's about life. You can make art with a computer of course, but if you just take an existing photo and feed it to an AI with a "make it look like a frame from a Ghibli movie", that's not what you're doing. Like, nobody would say that you're performing a concert if you queue up some Mozart on Spotify. A toddler with a box of crayons can create art. ChatGPT can generate images that look nice. (As an aside: it's maybe helpful to realize that what we now refer to as AI isn't actual artificial intelligence. It's just pattern recognition software, it doesn't understand or intend anything. That's why all the output is slop; it's just an average of a whole bunch of other things that already existed.) In one of the Dune sequels (either Messiah or Children), there's a character who ponders this same question. He's bought a souvenir: a piece of stone that's been intentionally left out in a sandstorm so the sand and wind create interesting looking erosion patterns. Is that art? I'd argue (like the character) no, just like a river canyon isn't art. There's no human intention behind it. Something can look nice and not be art. If a person would carve the stone herself to make it look like a sandstorm eroded it, *that* would be art. It doesn't matter if it "makes you feel something". A turd on the street can make you feel something.

Okello

More Philosophy In Progress for the Pod please

Alexanderhyperbeam

ok ok so unfortunately. Gravity. Is also a social construct. There's a great video by Dr. Fatima (another YouTuber) that I highly reccomend. And basically the idea is that the nature of categorization is inherently flawed and even scientific concepts like gravity have no objective truth value beyond an observation. So the utility of how it's defined is subject to change. Like how Pluto was demoted by the scientific community by Platypus retains its mammal status. Planet and mammal aren't inherent properties but they are social constructs that we created.

Haonan Zhou

i think it could be simple as accepting that AI generated work can be art and also that it’s okay to dislike it on the basis of it being AI. I think I disagree with the idea that saying “i dislike AI art” is the same as “i dislike painting” because AI art is more of an approach than a medium. like i think it’s okay to say “i dislike movies that are made purely to make money” or “i dislike songs with repetitive lyrics” because those are approaches. but their creators can still call themselves artists, anyone should be allowed to call themselves an artist and anyone should be allowed to dislike or not find artistic value in that person’s work. but i also think it’s okay to make a sweeping statement like “i dislike X” despite having caveats. like i feel like i can say i dislike a certain musician despite liking a few of their songs, based on their overall approach to music, their motivations, ego, ethics, what have you. so i don’t hesitate to say “i dislike AI art” while being open to the possibility of changing my mind or finding exceptions

Haonan Zhou

look i dont like ai art but i don’t know if you can dismiss it like this. is writing a prompt not an intentional act? like they bring up a great example of writing a prompt that juxtaposes an image of 9/11 with the whimsical art style of ghibli. that’s intentional and makes a statement. and i’m not sure your example of cueing a song on spotify is a great comparison, maybe a better one would be making a song mashup or remix, which i think are art. even cueing a song raises the question of is dj-ing art, which again i’d say yes. now are you allowed to dislike all these art forms? of course, but at the same time you can accept the label of art. going back to that ghibli 9/11 example, two things can be true at the same time: 1. it’s an intentional work with something to say, 2. it’s a very lazy and shallow way to make that statement and i personally don’t like it