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It'll probably be a few pages before we see Nthaniel again. He's going to do a quick census of all humans in the universe. Or maybe just a statistically significant sample size.

I don't know why the starforge is that close to the star. (Besides it looking cool.) I assume the solar panels also convert heat and every other form of radiation into electricity as well. If you're wondering why everyone in space doesn't have one of these, well, the startup time is a lot. They also contain a lot of materials that are hard to replicate, so a Starforge starter kit is really, really expensive. Like, GDP of a planet for like a decade. And granted, part of that is that the people who know how to make them don't just put the specs out on Gal-net for anyone to try and build themselves. The galactic economy mostly revolves around energy, time, information, and entertainment, but it's also well understood that if everyone had unlimited access to matter replicators and unlimited power, the economy would probably fall apart. So how did Dabbler get her hands on one? The short version is she got a good look at one and figured out how to build her own. It was fidgety and had a much longer start-up time than an industrial one that a multi-planet empire could afford, but she found a star out in BFE and let it do its thing. 

Dabbler's automated construction process didn't build the entire base. Mostly it consumed a portion of that asteroid the base currently sits in, then constructed a few habitable rooms, which she started stocking with computers and fabricators to accelerate the next steps, then made a huuuuuge cavern to stockpile base construction materials, set up a bunch of automated defenses, then went off adventuring for like thirty years and totally forgot about it. Then she came back, found the base all built, albeit a tenth the size of it is now, and that it had been taken over by space pirates who were mad at her because her automated defenses whittled them down to like 30% of their starting numbers. But they had built themselves back up to a respectable number, so it turned into a really fun side mission where she had to infiltrate their ships one at a time and hack the main computers so they'd accidentally target each other instead of destroying the base when she took it back. And by took it back, I mean a stealth mission that inevitably deteriorates to ultra violent room clearing when the stealth portion fails. Because Dabbler's life is a video game. It's obviously also a XXX hentai seduction game, because... you know.

And now that I've had five seconds to think about it, I think she'd be more into seducing the low-rank ensign pirates who have the Yellow Key in their inventory than seducing the grizzled captains who have main computer core access. Yeah. That feels right. Also... there's less chance that the low rank pirate has gotten privileges with captured... stock. They're space pirates. Dabbler is a fan of CNC, but not NC.

It's a little odd that Cora is using the metric system, but I guess she's doing conversions for the Terrans' benefit. Unfortunately, they're Americans, so if her conversions are off by a factor of ten... Actually they probably wouldn't know. The metric system is kind of funny, though. 1 gram is supposedly 1 cm^3 of water. I assume fresh water at sea-level in 1 G of gravity at 4°C, which is for some reason when water is at its highest density. A lot of that in stuff that doesn't really hit on a universal scale. The reason I say it's funny is that while the metric system is all about powers of ten, a meter is defined as how far light travels in 1/299,792,458 of a second. That's not a power of ten, and come to think of it, a second is pretty arbitrary. I mean, not arbitrary. It's 1/60/60/24/365.25, of a year of the planet that happens to be in the habitable zone of our solar system. Hardly a unit that would be adopted galaxy-wide. Of course, a second has retroactively been defined as 9,192,631,770 vibrations of a cesium atom, which is probably a pretty stable constant, but still feels a little arbitrary.

It got me thinking, what would be acceptable galactic standard units? I think the main problem with the metric system is that a meter is not terribly human friendly. People like round numbers and I think 90% of adult humans are between 5 and 6 feet tall. Which is 1.524 to 1.8288 meters tall. I think most metric countries actually use CM for height, but my point is, I think CMs are too small, Ms are too big. Decimeters aren't bad actually. They're almost 4 inches, so "a hand" in horse-imperial. I mean, I think literally the only time "hand" is used is for measuring horse-shoulder height, which is odd. Now that I think about it, it's super odd that a foot is the length of some arbitrary king's foot, while a hand is the width of a hand. Yeah, I'm not defending the imperial system either.

Anyway, I do like a measurement based on the speed of light, which is really just the universal speed limit for massless particles. You'd think that would be a pretty stable constant - except, the universe is expanding, and that expansion is accelerating, so a light-year from 14 billion years ago is a very different measurement than is it now. Which means even a light year isn't a constant. So I don't know what an actual proper constant would be. Probably molecular vibration, which is only good for time and not distance. Even that will change with the heat-death of the universe, but for now, it's probably pretty stable. If you don't factor gravity in. Something in a tall building does experience time at a different rate than something at sea level because its affected by less gravity. Granted, it's probably somewhere in the septillionth decimal place, but the difference between a planet with 1 gravity and 1.1 gravities might be in the billionth decimal place. So there goes that constant. 

Basically I'm pretty sure the way it would work is the dominant military or cultural race, or just the first one to spread across the galaxy gets to dictate what their standard units are, and everyone else has to do conversions. 

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Michael Obert

I think Digit is going to need some alone time 😆 (and she's super cute in that last panel ❤️)

JasonAW3

Actually, it's probably doing what is commonly referred to as 'starlifting'. Essentially, lifting out contaminants generated by the star from the fusion process. Things like lithium, carbon, neon, helium 3, etc. Basicly, the results of continuous fusion reactions in a star. In short, raw materials.

Madcat6204

Only 200 kg a day from a facility that large? Deus has more fabrication ability in his factory that's 1/100 this size.

John C Butler

The speed of light is constant, except when traveling through a medium like water or glass (also a liquid, a really slow one) which accounts for the distortion effect between water and air due to the difference in light speed between the two. It's also the reason for Chernyenkov radiation, that electric blue glow you see from nuclear reactors submerged in water. It's caused by particles from the reactor exceeding the speed of light in water.

Torabi

You've hit on some of my frustrations with the metric system. It's obviously designed in reference to humans and the human experience of the universe, and yet the base units are not scaled to useful values for humans, and the terminology isn't even consistent! It's base 10 because humans have 10 fingers and 10 toes, not because 10 is a universally useful base for a number system. A meter is too long, a centimeter is pretty short. A gram is tiny, but a kilogram is a reasonably useful -- which is why the kilogram is the base unit for mass, even though for consistency it should be the gram. The whole system is full of quirks and weird cases that betray the surface-level consistency and simplicity. The imperial system is nonsense, but the units are useful for human beings, and because it doesn't even have the illusion of consistency, you simply have to memorize it, but at least you won't trip over an unexpected inconsistency trying to reason about it.

You_With_The_Face

Oooh, can I have one--waitasecond Dabbler is *how* old

Justaguy

Over large enough distances the distance light travels in X time can also vary depending on where on the spectrum of light you're looking. And funny things like the existence of gravity wells.

Donald Smith

Would those be considered star sapphires? I'll see myself out.

akrasia

If everybody had unlimited access to replicators and unlimited power, why would there need to be an economy?

Fogel

Glass is not a liquid. It's an amorphous solid. The misconception of glass being a liquid is based on old stained glass windows having the thicker bits at the bottom, but glass is absolutely, 100%, not a liquid

Greg Morrow

g isn't relevant to the mass/volume definition of 1 g/cc, just temperature (4 C, you're right) and pressure (1 standard atmosphere). Mass is gravity-independent, and grams measure mass. Pounds measure force, so a kilogram only "weighs" 2.2 lbs at one standard gravity. Kg and lbs aren't strictly interchangeable. The unit of mass in the pound-foot system is the "slug"; one slug weighs 32.17405 lbs at one standard gravity, because to convert from mass you multiply by gravity. This nonsense is why occasionally we fire satellites at Mars and miss.

Christopher Upton

Like the second, the meter has been retroactively defined. It started out as a fraction of the (then theoretical) circumference of the Earth. since we got better at measuring things, we realized the Earth isn't a perfect sphere, so that kinda fell apart, leading to the use of light waves. It's actually not far different from why the second was retroactively defined by cesium decay. Thank you for attending my TED talk

Sharien

if a meter is too long and a centimeter too short... try decimeters? and if kilograms is too big and grams too small? dekagrams? hectograms? - they are fairly uncommon to see, because using numbers up to 1000 isnt a big deal, so its easier to just use a big number in grams or a decimal number in kilograms - same way with meters, centimeters and kilometers - they are just the most useful ranges to talk about most of the time and the reason 10 is used isnt a quirk of our anatomy (at least not directly) its a quirk of our number system - the way we write down numbers is in base 10 - so a system of measurements that uses base 10 is inherently compatible with that and very easy to convert units in if we used a base 12 number system, then metric would probably be base 12 as well

Sharien

significantly older than a human (which cora is) - probably a couple hundred earth solar years? im pretty sure succubi have significantly longer lifespans than humans

Wyrmhand

Hecto(gram) is wery common in shops since they can show a lower price, 20/hg insead of 200/kg.

Sharien

well depends on the material - based on context it likely is literally assembling atoms through fusion (or some kind of fancy proton/neutron printer) - and for heavy materials like gold or even worse - plutonium thats probably gonna take a while while something carbon based could be produced by the boatload and some of the facilities production capacity is likely dedicated to building more replicators and solar panels (as well as maintenance parts) - so what she mentioned might be her share of the production capacity

Sharien

theres usually always something that isnt in abundant supply - like access to high grade research facilities might be limited simply due to there not being enough for the type of research you want to do - so there might be some form of economy around research credits for example also interstellar travel might be something that would not be ubiquitous - so someone might trade some time for someone elses project in their lab for a travel opportunity to a faraway star system but pretty much all normal material needs wouldnt be part of such an economy that of course is assuming that the access to those abundant resources wouldnt be monopolized by someone seeking to use their control over those resources to control the people in need of them...

Steve Brinich

One attempt at truly universal units is the set of "Planck Units" (proposed by physicist Max Planck just before the turn of the century... I mean just before the turn of the last century (1899)... geez I sound old... The idea is to select units of length, time, mass, and temperature such that a batch of basic constants equal exactly 1 in whatever units are relevant (e.g. 1 length per 1 time equals the speed of light in a vacuum). The catch is that unit values turn out to not be anywhere near a useful scale for most purposes (as in, a several dozen orders of magnitude different scale). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units

Whoriar

Oohhhh. I'm not one to criticize your drawings, but damn. Missed opportunity to have Digit do a flat nose against the glass (and boobs against the glass obviously) scene. Digit is one of my favorite characters of yours

Simon Magid

To be fair, Deus' factory probably has a good deal of production expenses from energy requirements and raw material. The star forge sidesteps both of these.

Andrew Denton

I saw a bit recently in which a physicist complained to God about the speed of light being such an arbitrary number, and God replied, "Um, no, the speed of light is 1."

Miyaa

The reason most sciences measure temperature in Kelvin instead of Celsius or Fahrenheit is because scientists don’t want to work with negative numbers when calculating thermodynamics and related energy sciences.

Derek Leader

"to dictate what their standard units are, and everyone else has to do conversions. " So the Spanish, British, and French. Also, China and Egypt before Europe overtook them.

Enigma42

Question has this starforge had any negative effects to a individuals physicy or mental state?

Nathaniel Morse

This is where we fall back on Voyager gold record ideas on universal measures, and base as much as we can on good old fashioned Hydrogen 1. So a Yiter is 2^50 times the diameter of a hydorgen nucleus (one proton), or 0.946 meters, or about 37 inches. A Grounce weighs 2^78 times the mass of a proton, which apparently comes amazingly close to one gram.

Nathaniel Morse

My math is almost certainly off: it is early, and I haven't had breakfast yet.

Town Crier

"GREED! MWAHAHAHA!" - Gomez and Fester Addams

Town Crier

Of course one would post such a station near a sun. Not only is one able to cultivate a minor portion of the superfluous detritus tossed off by the sun, but such proximity makes it very difficult for approximately 95% of space/dimensional technologies to approach and loot said installation, and 99.999% of the last 5% couldn't be bothered, as they have their own such installations, and share freely amongst most of themselves. This severely reduces the chance of any pirating of a Starforge by outside invaders. That being said...

Anton Schleef

If I'm remembering it correctly, originally the meter was based off of a specific fraction of the distance from the north pole to the equator. The math is a touch off, so it doesn't actually come out to an exact power of ten like it was supposed to, but by the time they were able to reliably verify the accuracy of the measurement the length of a meter was well established and they just let it be.

Carlton R. Harris

Shouldn't that word be "habitable" instead of "habital"?

davebarrack

It isn't infected with the Dark Side, if that's what you're asking. They spray for that.

davebarrack

I... considered it, but a back bent lurch felt more natural than an arch, so, maybe next time.

Killianti

Ten isn't even the best base for humans. Twelve works out much better. Humans can count to twelve on one hand by using our thumb to touch finger segments, and a duodecimal system would have natural divisions by more numbers (2, 3, 4, and 6 instead of just 2 and 5) which makes math in common scenarios much easier. The decimal system that the metric system is based on is just as arbitrary as everything else in measurements.

LucasTheLost

I'd settle for a single massFab and enough power to run it. And enough secrecy to keep it when the powers that be would be deeply inclined to take it For The Greater Good.

LucasTheLost

In and economy where you can build anything, access to plans to build things become extremely valuable, especially if there is infrastructure in place to limit how many of something you can make. See also: "The Diamond Age" by Neil Sephenson. Great setting/plot/characters. "Meh" ending (like all the other books of his that I've read).

Hugh Eckert

I do generally agree with you on the downsides of metric. Decimal systems are good for science (except when you're talking about binary based stuff like computers), but 12s and 16s (and anything else with 4 as a factor) are just more convenient and useful. There's a reason that decimal time and decimal calendars never caught on, and that the compass still has 360 degrees... Also, imperial unit names are shorter and easier to use: pint, pound, ounce, foot, yard, mile vs. liter, kilogram, decagram, decimeter, meter, kilometer... kilometer has been abbreviated to "klick" in military jargon, but AFAIK it hasn't caught on with civilians. I'm willing to concede that Celsius makes more sense than Fahrenheit...

LucasTheLost

IIRC, the speed of light is accelerating as the universe expands. Crazy thought: is the rate of TIME changing too/instead? How would we know? :mind-blown:

Hugh Eckert

"E could 'a drawed me off a pint,' grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. 'A 'alf litre ain't enough. It don't satisfy. And a 'ole litre's too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.' " - 1984

Matthew Thompson

The metric system has the massive advantage that you can kilograms, meters and seconds in physical equations without having to convert fractions. KMS Also, 1 cubic meter of fresh water at 4 degrees Celsius is exactly 1 metric ton. One liter of is the volume one kilogram of fresh water will occupy. It will freeze solid at 0 C, and boil at 100 C. And almost NOBODY outside the US knows what a pound is without looking it up, and the only thing that we measure in ounces is gold… in TROY ounces.

Phil_M

Some of us know perfectly well what a pound is. It’s Americans who are confused on the subject.

Aaron Mauthe

Let me ask, is the American capable of using two systems of measurement more or less confused on the subject than the foreigner who is confused by a second system just existing? Cause Dave is from Texas, and he’s ribbing the Americans, which we will accept from each other, as we know it’s good natured. Yall shitting on us isn’t. So how bout shut the hell up

Eric Loken

You see, Americans like to think they are superior to everyone else, but when someone points out one of the many reasons they aren't, it hurts their feelings. They can and will criticize everyone else at every opportunity, but get real butthhurt if it is done to them. Heck, they have a president who's primary platform was based on this concept, and every last bit of his foreign policy is about being angry the world doesn't bow and scrape to the US.

Steve Brinich

I'm imagining Digit programming a star forge to start cranking out the latest contraption she's dreamed up (and they worried about *Krona* being dangerous...?)

eddi_TBH

I think Digit just blew a fuse.

eddi_TBH

"In 1960 the meter was redefined as 1,650,763.73 wavelengths of orange-red light, in a vacuum, produced by burning the element krypton (Kr-86). More recently (1984), the Geneva Conference on Weights and Measures has defined the meter as the distance light travels, in a vacuum, in 1/299,792,458 seconds with time measured by a cesium-133 atomic clock which emits pulses of radiation at very rapid, regular intervals." http://www.surveyhistory.org/the_standard_meter1.htm

Phil_M

How many ounces in a pound?

darkuncle

came to say this, leaving satisfied. from TFA: "Unlike the meter and second, which exist as fundamental units in the SI system for historical reasons, the Planck length and Planck time are linked at a fundamental physical level."

Mathew Aaberg

The metric system was designed to be a global "universal system" so it makes sense even if you dont know it. That was its point. Could it be better, of course. Improvement comes with iteration. I imagine once we leave earth and become a multi-planet species we will create an update to more align with universal standards like planks constant or something. Either way still better than imperial.