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Extended Play Lounge Episode 25 POLL (Patreon)

Published:
2022-07-25 16:03:41
Edited:
2022-07-25 16:09:55
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Poll

Extended Play Lounge Episode 25 POLL

  • Camel - The Snow Goose 80
  • David Gilmour - David Gilmour (Debut Album) 23
  • Haken - Aquarius 84
  • Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti 77
  • Rush - Permanent Waves 138
  • 2022-07-25
  • —2022-07-30
  • 402 votes
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Content

After we overwhelmingly decided to NOT include Dream Theater in this first episode of our 2nd year, we spent quite a bit of time pondering which direction to go for the poll for this episode. We thought of simply putting the top five vote-getters from our Discord Recommendations and Master List against each other. But, what we ended up deciding to do is to include a Poll of recent 'runners-up'.

This is a poll that features albums and artists that have come in 2nd...and we're giving them all a second chance, as they go up against each other. Here are your options...please choose your favorite that you want me to listen to.

From the Episode 24 Poll: Camel - The Snow Goose- I've only heard Rhyader and Rhayader Goes to Town

(Ziggy Stardust was 2nd in the Ep. 23 Poll)

(The Moody Blues (Ep. 22) was a Doug's Choice)

From the Episode 21 Poll: Haken - Aquarius- I haven't heard anything from this album

From the Episode 20 Poll: Rush - Permanent Waves- I haven't heard anything from this album

From the Episode 19 Poll: David Gilmour - David Gilmour- I haven't heard anything from this album

(Neal Morse Band (Ep. 18) was a Doug's Choice)

(Neal Morse was 2nd in the Ep. 17 Poll)

(Neal Morse was 2nd in the Ep. 16 Poll)

(I'm skipping over another Ayreon album from the Ep. 15 poll, as that poll was exclusively for Ayreon albums.)

Ep. 14 Poll was exclusively Led Zeppelin, and I'm including Physical Graffiti based on community feedback.- Kashmir is the only song title that is familiar to me.

These choices are varied, but I'm looking forward to see how it goes. I'm very interested in all these choices. Voting will go through Friday July 29. Happy voting!

Comments

Matt Hardman

Looks like Ziggy and Neal didn’t make the available choices?

Arrow2theACL

It's kinda a running joke on Discord at this point, but I will continue to pitch Aquarius as a phenomenal modern concept album. It is my favorite by far and I do listen to it at least 3 times a week. It is very progressive with Strings, Brass, harp, flute, organ, piano, accordion. It's labeled as metal, but it's really not heavy with the exception of one particular character in the story.

Andrew Clark

Haken, 100%. Permanent Waves is a classic but Aquarius is simply one of the most unique pieces of metal I’ve ever heard. It’s not even my favorite Haken album but they bring such a fresh take on prog metal to the table on Aquarius that it is a must-listen

Tom Brophy

Permanent Waves has 3 of my all time favorite Rush songs. Natural Science, Jacob's Ladder and Freewill.

Estefanía Sucre

Please do The Snow Goose. That's a true Masterpiece. You have to listen to it in its entirety!

Einaras Sipavičius

Oh god, what you did there, Doug! That's the toughest poll in the EPL history, I suppose. I'm only unfamiliar with David Gilmour album, but other four are excellent. I think Camel is the least covered band in the channel out of those four, that's my criterion for voting for The Snow Goose.

JonathanTA

would love to hear Mirage by Camel sometime in the future, but seeing as it's not on here, I'm going with Aquarius

John Clark

Andrew Clark, you almost had me there with Haken, until you said the "metal" word. This just leaves Zeppelin, Gilmour or Camel to choose from. All three are excellent. Rush don't get a look in with me as they're just DT with a whiny voice and are another case of form over content, in my ever so personal opinion. You may disagree, you're encouraged to do so, but that's how I see them.

Randy Gibson

Depending on day of week/time of day, Physical Graffiti is my favorite LZ album. Beyond Kashmir it has some real gems. The opening pair "Custard Pie" and "The Rover" are just awesome down and dirty blues rock. I always find "Ten Years Gone" and "In the Light" to be really moving pieces. Love that record.

Pam Norris

I wanted to vote for the David Gilmore album. I love that album but it seriously won’t win I can see so I don’t want to throw away my vote. So I’m going for Rush. I don’t care for Haken and I love Rush so that’s why.

Erik Berg

I was initially torn between Rush and Camel but chose The Snow Goose since you’ve done a decent amount of Rush already. Too bad they won’t win. I think they’d have a better chance with the Mirage album, most people consider that their masterpiece (that and Moonmadness are probably tied for my favourite). Looks like Rush and Haken are neck and neck so far, I hope Permanent Waves gets it personally between those. I think Haken has gotten better in recent years, the early stuff sounds less unique to my ears.

Don Mal 1

It was between Camel and Rush......finally I went with Rush

Itsfun2listen

Must be time to listen to some to some different music, I like Rush but it’s more of the same

Christopher Arters (relative timeworx - Mr.A)

You know, it's funny... my first reaction was "how could you have not heard anything from Permanent Waves? Did you never have a radio?" This album was really the critical turning point for Rush - where they demonstrated their ability to be a cross-over band - accessible prog. Sure, Moving Pictures gets all the accolades, but Permanent Waves tracks are stronger IMHO. All that said, I think of how underappreciated and close to forgotten Led Zeppelin is in this current era. Physical Graffiti has incredible tracks on it, the best being some of the least known... Kashmir is so overly familiar as to be almost dismissed... but on the same album side, there is Trampled Under Foot and Houses of the Holy. That's a all-time album side if ever one existed. That's only the beginning... The Rover's signature riff resonates; In the Light's other-worldy opening kicks off yet another epic groove; Ten Years Gone features still more iconic guitar riffs and memorable passages. I for one, appeciate Zeppelin FAR more in hindsight than I ever did in real time. This is the one.

Lane Hillard

I'm very excited about Permanent Waves! I do hope you also get to Clockwork Angels at some point!

ormonde butler

I was completely into Yes and Genesis in 1975 and somehow completely missed this band Camel. There were the lesser progressive rock bands like Uriah Heep, Gentle Giant, Captain Beyond, don't know how this one escaped me 🙂 thanks for bringing it to our attention!

Fabian J Lelo

Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray

ormonde butler

Following that you like discovery another obscure progressive rock band is this one;

Itsfun2listen

Nick - Secondhand Daylight, Closer or Marquee Moon would be amazing. I have a close affinity with Magazine and Joy Division as a Mancunian and close the Factory records scene.

Itsfun2listen

I tend to disagree with the Mainstream discussion as it doesn’t always apply, the Neil Morse and Dream Theatre EPL have less global sales than for example Marquee Moon

Mark Brennan

A few excellent choices here. David Gilmour's debut album is nice, but not spectacular. Permanent Waves is arguably Rush's best album (although Moving Pictures comes close), and Spirit of Radio was my first intro to them. I was drumming in a band in college in 1982 when this was popular, and to this day I haven't heard a drummer (including myself) play the intro to this correctly. As good as those albums are, it's Physical Graffiti that is simply the most classic record from the most classic of blues-rock bands from 60s Britain. Kashmir is the finest track, but there's another 20+ great tracks as well. (I'm just sayin'...)

Itsfun2listen

Ok, if I had known that Dream Theatre was the foundation and hence the fan club, then I wouldn’t have joined. Explains a lot though, but maybe we can move on from this genre as I’m clearly not on my own with my viewpoint

Itsfun2listen

Physical Graffiti was the album that everyone wanted when it was originally in the poll, same deal with Passion Play when it was Jethro Tull. Shame Doug got to confirm his thoughts on Plant by people choosing Houses of the Holy. These are two albums though that jumped to the top of discussion so maybe we can get to hear them

Skyler

Doug: I hope you will review the song Pirates by ELP soon.

Itsfun2listen

The point is being skewed, I give up on this discussion response, the point is being lost and you are shooting the messenger

Artemisty

Hearing Doug trying to count some of the bits of perm waves will be a laugh! Though Spirit of Radio is reactioned to death :(

BRIAN MILLER

In the Saturday Zoom, you mentioned some others that got a lot of support on Discord, in a Top 5 - Top 10 that included a couple of my all time favorites (Jethro Tull's Minstrel in the Gallery, King Crimson's Discipline) and other community favorites. I hope you'll get to those over the next few months.

BRIAN MILLER

The first two David Gilmour solo albums are more like singer-songwriter albums than Floyd/Prog style

Dominick Pearce

Thanks for doing all this Doug. Appreciate all you do man. I'm voting Zeppelin but im incredibly good for Rush. I love both Bands, but I feel If any Zeppelin album wins you over, it'll be P.G. Then I can put it to rest knowing we tried our best haha. Still, P.W. has a phenomenal closer. I'm excited to see your reaction to it.

Marcelo Rosalen Cucatti

Physical Grafitti is not even close to Led Zeps best. If you’re doing another Zep, pls follow your own steps with Deep Purple and go for the masterpiece (Led I, II or IV). Than you move to those albums that were made after Led Zep was already Led Zep. I’m voting for Rush. Can’t stand people trying to sell Led Zep with Houses of the Holy and Physical Grafitti. Zep is a hard rock powerhouse. Not an Art/Progressive rock band.

Marcelo Rosalen Cucatti

I understand it’s your favorite and thats fine. But it’s not what made Led Zep, Led Zep. The only song in Physical Grafitti that is in any “best of” of Led Zep is Kashmir. You might love it and I understand it, but if you’re trying to sell Led Zep or showcase what it was, that’s not the album to pick. It’s like telling someone to start listening to Black Sabbath with “The Mob Rules” album. It is an awesome album, but it is completely out of scope of what defined Black Sabbath. It is like telling someone to start to listen to Iron Maiden with Seventh Son album (my favorite), but at that point Maiden was already the HM powerhouse, you gotta go with The Number, Powerslave or Piece of Mind first. Of course, you can listen to whatever you want, but I just think people give too much credit to their own taste when picking albums.

bobj

I think all of these comments only prove that there are many forms of music, because we are many different people. We all may think we know why music is good or bad, but we only know what kind of music makes the difference for each of us. It’s personal. It’s what we feel when we hear all kinds of music. The musicians are feeling it too when they create it and you may not even feel it the same way as they did while they were crafting it.

bobj

All I know, is what hits me to my core. Interestingly, some music has changed for me over time, and now, being introduced to Dr. Doug has made me realize music is much deeper than just what I feel on the surface. His analysis of the music that I have been listening to for practically 50 years has way more meaning for me now and musically speaking, most of the technical aspect of what he’s saying goes over my head. Yet, I do understand his context and meaning of lyrics and overall philosophy.

bobj

Dr. Doug’s sharing of what he knows about music enriches all of us and we should be thankful for his knowledge. He caught my attention because he was breaking down some of my favorite music, so I eventually joined his Patreon. I also have found new music through his musical choices, regardless of where they come from. We need to respect him for starting a community of music loving people, because it’s what he loves. He doesn’t have to have these polls to let us in on his decision making, but he does. He wants all of us to be as much a part of this community as you can, to be more interactive and get as much out of the experience as possible. Bravo, Dr. Doug.

bobj

With all of that said, 4 of of the 5 choices here, I am very familiar with, but I’m picking the band I have heard and know the least of, Haken. Stay hungry and keep learning. Rock on, y’all!

Arrow2theACL

Weird you had to split that message up because it kept getting deleted. Maybe it was because it was too long in a single post. Maybe it could also be a conspiracy by the negative police. We can't be having a message that makes that much sense. Agreed 100% with everything you said, and not just because you voted for Haken. :)

DJ Marquis Marc Rambeau du Tacoma

Interesting argument between Marcelo and Einaras above. I side decidedly with Einaras. In my case, I discovered Fragile in 1975; The Yes Album and Close To The Edge the following year. I gave up on them when Bill Bruford left, and for the same reason as he. 90125 came out in 1980, with Trevor Rabin replacing Steve Howe and somebody else replacing Jon Anderson. The album was okay for 1980 (which isn't saying much). I discovered both The Who's Who's Next and Deep Purple's Machine Gun next to a trash bin at my apartment complex in 4th grade, soon after they were released. Both of those albums are their respective band's finest efforts. And yet, my good people, I would never dare to put forth the proposition that Physical Graffiti is somehow less representative of Led Zeppelin any more than the Yardbird's excellent cover of Howlin' Wolf's explosive Smokestack Lightning, where Page has introduced the bassline for How Many More Times from their first album. I started with Led Zep II, then IV, then I, then III, then Houses, then PG, then Presence, then In Through The Out Door and finally Coda - pretty much as they were released. And I've seen Song Remains the Same a dozen times at the midnight movies in the 80s. III and Presence are an acquired taste, except for probably their finest blues song ever: Since I've Been Loving You. In Through The Outdoor is just awful, IMHO. If Marcelo has a point to make, make it with this album. Or Coda - with a couple of okay leftover tracks. Somebody mentioned above that no-one here is a rock historian. (Somebody did say that, didn't they?) Well, I kind of am, in an amateurish way, I know. If you're interested, please visit my Pop Rock and Rap Music of the late 20th century Appreciation Channel (with close to 200 videos and 100,000 views in a year and a half since I started it. Yay!) YouTube Channel: SPLIT IMAGE 137

DJ Marquis Marc Rambeau du Tacoma

Oh, and by the way, Thank you Doug! I discovered your channel when you posted the most excellent Close To The Edge and came back to see side 1 of Dark Side Of The Moon. I joined your Patreon this month as a result. This is my very first contribution to your discussions. May I prove wiser than my already advanced years will allow. ;)

Ray Sincere

Rush is ahead by A LOT. Surprising just how much.

DJ Marquis Marc Rambeau du Tacoma
>>88445747

I wonder if that's because the people (seems to me at least, at first glace) on this board are fairly skewed to Prog-Metal? Maybe I'm wrong here. How would you guys (how many gals among you?) describe your tastes in general as a group, if it's even possible? I'm wondering because I'm kind of figuring out where I might fit in here. My love is rooted in the Blues, and most everything I truly love springs from this well. I appreciate other types of music (say classical, reggae, jazz, and maybe even a drop of country or opera) more for their influence on rock music than in and of themselves, with a few notable exceptions. My basic thesis: The best rock music is what my schizophrenic friend remarked when he once walked into my room: "Vietnam Music!" When I thought about it, I realized he was right: check out the pop and rock music of 1966-1975, and I submit that the music prior was merely prelude, and what followed was the denouement. Right? (No spell checker here?) There was a last gasp with a "slight return" (to quote Hendrix) with grunge and industrial in the 90s. Most everything since the flowering during the turbulence of the Vietnam PROTESTS of that period are elaborations of the original impetus, which really traces back to the field-hollers, call-and-response, of the slaves of the Southern plantations. That's how real Blues-rooted music is: stripped to what keeps (some of) us alive. It's that important, and the sap runs from this primary root to the furthest branches of what can still be considered "rock music," in all it's manifestations, as the new artists always grow up assimilating earlier artists as well as current and/or personal events. Anyway, that's what I think. Sad to say, our current political situation, the world over, is in the process of unravelling, right? Mass migration, starvation, famine, and worse are to come. But maybe, just maybe, we'll get some good music again out of this turmoil. One can only hope, right? Right? I can't think of anything else worthy that came out of our Vietnam (my war, if you will) experience except the music and the fact that a large portion of the American public finally woke up to the fact that their government will lie to them. "They think that your [JFK, I believe] early ending was all wrong - for the most part they're right - but look how they all got strong - That's why I say 'Hey man, nice shot - what a nice shot man'..." - Filter, Hey Man Nice Shot, written by Richard Patrick shortly after Oliver Stone's movie JFK was released in 1991. But I digress, as is my wont. (It's gettin' late, too, and I'm a ramblin' kind of guy... ramblin' on and on...) I suppose Dr. Doug is our conductor here, so maybe he can elucidate. (Or perhaps he already has, as I haven't watched his Introduction to his Patreon Channel video yet. If so, please disregard.)

gary fisher

Hi Mark, liking the cut of your ramblin' jib :-). For my play list covering the music era you call 'Vietnam', I went for a quote from Joni Mitchell: needles, guns & grass. I could equally have gone for the previous line 'acid, booze and ass'. I'm not a great fan of Metal or Prog-Metal (I don't like Rush or Dream Theatre: they are very talented musicians who produced very high quality music but I just don't subjectively enjoying listening to them or other of the same ilk), as I prefer: blues inspired Hard Rock (Led-Zepp, Cream, Hendrix, Ten Years After, The Stones, Free, Deep Purple, The Doors, Robert Cray, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Joe Bonamassa); Prog Rock (Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Van Der Graaf Generator); Singer-Songwriter (Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Cross, Stills and Nash, Neil Young, John Martyn, Richard Thompson, Roy Harper, Nick Drake); and bands like The Beatles, The Band and Grateful Dead. I also like some art rock/new wave acts like The Velvet Underground, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, and Talking Heads. In addition to, for want of a better phrase, 'Rock Music' I love Classical Music and Jazz. So, after ramblin' on for far too long, there is at least one other person who has similar tastes to your good self.

bobj
>>88428188

Hey Mark, this is in response to the question you posed to me after reading one of my comments. I’m answering here, because it wouldn’t let me respond directly to your response. So, It’s clear to me that my comment pushed a specific button for you to ask this type of question. Which (to me), it’s obvious that my comment is also the answer to your question. To have a bit of fun and illustrate this, I will rewrite my comment by substituting the word “music” for “art”, because (of course) musicians are, in fact, artists. See below… ANSWER: I think all of these comments only prove that there are many forms of art, because we are many different people. We all may think we know why art is good or bad, but we only know what kind of art makes the difference for each of us. It’s personal. It’s what we feel when we see all kinds of art. The artists are feeling it too when they create it and you may not even feel it the same way as they did while they were crafting it. A final note…music/art exists only because someone felt compelled to create. It’s about the process and having that touch someone else is a bonus. Depending on the level of that determines its value. I see value as a side effect of creating. The feeling of creating is king!

DJ Marquis Marc Rambeau du Tacoma
>>88393267

[I have to answer here, 'cause there's no reply button for me on your message.] Hey Bobj. To be quite honest with you, you didn't push any of my buttons. It's just that I'm a big fan of Robert Pirsig's book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance," a book, btw, that made it into the Guiness Book of World Records as a best-seller that was turned down by 130+ publishers in the 1970s. His companion book, "Lila: An Inquiry Into Morals," from the 90s, was on the short list for the Nobel Prize in Literature. Pirsig has many interesting ideas. Anyway, his Zen book (subtitle: "An Inquiry Into Values") spends a great portion of his book discussing just this very question. (I could tell you his answer, but that would ruin everything!) Yeah... my comment was just a one-off. It's a valid question in all the arts, and when I read your comments, this is the idea that came to me. Take care.

Allen

"Sad to say, our current political situation, the world over, is in the process of unravelling, right? Mass migration, starvation, famine, and worse are to come."

Allen

"There is nothing new under the sun. . . ."

Donald Gheen

Time to listen to The Wall on extended play lounge.