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Lindsay and Angelina Trying to Make Sense of the X-men Cinematic Universe for 90 Minutes (Patreon)

Published:
2024-09-26 20:44:14
Edited:
2024-09-28 14:04:26
Imported:
2026-06

Content

Experimenting with a new format because somehow the traditional "video essay" just didn't feel right for such a convoluted topic.

Edit: There may be some confusion since I haven't used a hereisa link in a while, but if you want to view the video you have to be signed up to the Nebula tier, or sign up for Nebula proper. I promise I haven't recently raised prices, because I haven't touched it since 2023 and legitimately do not know how.

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Comments

Lydia

Watching this bunkering down for the hurricane in Florida! Love the new format, also would love to see this format but bringing back loose cannon with it !

Interloper of Puny

yaaaay i was JUST looking for a new podcast or something to work to. perfect timing.

Cindy Snuts

Yippee! Something to watch while I hope my plane to Boston doesn’t get cancelled!! :333

Henry Whiteman

"Your current tier is not eligible for this content." Hm. That's odd

Lindsay Ellis

Are you signed up for a tier? I only have one tier, but you can't just be a paying patron - you have to sign up for The Tier.

Lindsay Ellis

Are you signed up for a tier? I only have one tier, but you can't just be a paying patron - you have to sign up for The Tier.

Marcus Smith

As far as I know, yes. Previous heresa.video links have always worked. But checking now… they don’t any more. I remember the tiers changed once before… maybe they did again, and I missed it.

Marcus Smith

Yep – that was it! 🤦‍♂️

Joanna Marie

Thank you for the update - I see that the membership tier has changed price and I was still on the old tier. :)

Juan Gutierrez

Apparently my current tier is not allowed

Laura Yeh

I'm getting "Your current tier is not eligible for this content." too!

Neo Ultra Mike

Mine is also specifically saying "Your current tier is not eligible for this content." Hope there's a patch for this soon.

Matthew Dunne

Might have to push past the usual aversions to try and get access to this one.

Bob the Fish Productions

I'm also getting "your tier is not eligible" but I thought that just figured because I ain't got much money no sir not much money at all.

John Fischer

After a rough couple weeks, this was just what the doctor ordered. Lovely to see you again!

Rocío Vega

Yep, I'm not elegible either 😔

Hank Kleinberg

Did you change the membership dues at some point, Lindsay? I (and I imagine plenty others) am currently subscribed for $2 a month, which I believe at the time was the only option. If I check your profile now, it says "Nebula content" is $4 a month, but I also see you mentioning in comments that you have only the one tier, yet apparently most of us never got updated or had our payment increased?

Lindsay Ellis

to clarify are you signed up for the nebula tier?

Lindsay Ellis

this has been the case for well over a year, so long that i legit forgot how to find it, but yes

Lindsay Ellis

are you signed up for the nebula tier? if yes let me know and i'll see what's going on

Melinda Robinson

I also just got the "your current tier is not eligible for this content" message. I'm sure it will get fixed or addressed soon.

Hank Kleinberg

Is there a way to force people to upgrade or boot them off? I I imagine that’ll solve the problem everyone’s having.

Lindsay Ellis

I'm starting to wonder if Patreon did something for me because I swear I have not touched this since 2023 - I have not released a video for Nebula since 2023!

THGhost

Apparently my tier isn't eligible to watch it. Wtf Lindsay? I thought we were cool ☹️

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! That's because although your dollar amount is enough, you didn't select the tier called "Nebula" when you pledged. Go adjust your pledge to make sure that the tier is selected and it will work --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! It looks like you're not signed up to the "Nebula" tier. Your account currently says "No reward." You can fix that in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Rob Kitchen

I laughed for like 5 minutes at the LND/Dark Phoenix stuff. Thank you so, so much.

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! It's always been that you need to be signed up for the "Nebula" tier in order to view the videos Lindsay makes that are Nebula originals. Your account currently says "No reward," which will still show you all of Lindsays other videos and content here that aren't Nebula Originals. But you can fix this in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! You need to be signed up for the "Nebula" tier in order to view the videos Lindsay makes that are Nebula originals. Your account currently says "No reward," which will still show you all of Lindsays other videos and content here that aren't Nebula Originals. But you can fix this in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! You need to be signed up for the "Nebula" tier in order to view the videos Lindsay makes that are Nebula originals. Your account currently says "No reward," which will still show you all of Lindsays other videos and content here that aren't Nebula Originals. But you can fix this in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! You need to be signed up for the "Nebula" tier in order to view the videos Lindsay makes that are Nebula originals. Your account currently says "No reward," which will still show you all of Lindsay's other videos and content here that aren't Nebula Originals. But you can fix this in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! You need to be signed up for the "Nebula" tier in order to view the videos Lindsay makes that are Nebula originals. Your account currently says "No reward," which will still show you all of Lindsay's other videos and content here that aren't Nebula Originals. But you can fix this in your membership settings, make sure you select the tier called "Nebula" this time. --Elisa

Jenny Rodriguez

I've never watched any x men movies, only the animated series in the 90s, when I was a child, but I'm so glad to be watching you 2 having this discussion!

THGhost

For an extra $2.20 I see 🤑 Good thing Lindsay's videos are worth it though 😁 Thanks Elisa! 👍

Brandon Powell

I find it baffling that they never brought David Hayter back as a writer. I feel like he's a very important part of what made those first two movies great and I don't hear a lot of people talk about that.

Melinda Robinson

Thank you so much for letting me know! I’ll fix it. Love you all.

Godel Escher Monkey

Way to include footage of Stanislav Petrov... on a video released on Stanislav Petrov Day!!!

Caitlin Brown

So wait, if you didn't raise the prices, who did? I used to pay $2 USD/month and got access to all the Nebula content. I just checked my card and was charged the appropriate amount last month. Now the tier is $4/month and I can't get the Nebula content anymore? I'm so confused, there is only one Tier available- the "Nebula" Tier at $4. So what Tier am I on now if that's not it? I would understand a raising of the prices. But if that's not what happened, then what did?

Jason Pargin

Yeah Patreon definitely changed something, all of us getting the "ineligible" error were able to watch every video prior to this one!

Ash

Just watched it! Such a fun, great episode! I've never been a big fan of comic book movies, but this has made me want to rewatch the early 2000's ones at the very least. I saw them in theaters as a kid, and always associate them with Saturday afternoons on my dad's weekend to have us.

Ash

Agreed!!

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! Lindsay made a post back in May of 2023 explaining about the prices being raised, so it's been this way for almost a year and a half now. The tldr of it is that Nebula set a new minimum rate back then, but it's still cheaper than getting a Nebula subscription, plus you get access to all of Lindsay's other Patreon content that's not on Nebula. I see that you've already reset your tier to "Nebula," so you're all set. But to answer your question the tier you were at before said "No rewards" on it. --Elisa

Ash

You should definitely check out the new Xmen cartoon. It's really good too!

Skylar Baxter

I'm at the Nebula tier but Nebula is telling me I'm not. 😞

jaded cynic

Just finished watching it! The Last Stand ruined my life, too. I am in the same boat that did not like First Class that much but thoroughly enjoyed Logan because Laura/X-23 is one of my favourites. I am surprised to learn about the messed up production of X2 because it was so good! For the same reason I'm amazed Singer was able to piece together DOFP as well as he did.

jaded cynic

The meta commentary of Deadpool is especially poignant now that Downey Jr is also back in the MCU. Yeah, comics fans are excited to see X-Men back in Marvel's hands, but not me. The Fox universe had its high and lows, but they were doing something different and I appreciate that.

Cool Channel Network

The Singer intervention is giving Dana Carvey in the turtle suit on 9/11 vibes.

J.

One of the few points I don't agree with, in an otherwise amazing and fun video, is that mutants can't work in the MCU. I think the fact that mutants come by their powers naturally would set them apart from other powered/enhanced MCU characters. A majority of MCU heroes and villains got their powers via science, magic, or are just extraterrestrials. Mutants though have powers they didn't ask for, can't always control, and can transform them into creatures that are anything but normal looking. The very nature of how they come by their power would set them up in opposition to those that don't have an active x-gene. The Avengers are very heroic, so the general populace can accept them, and actually know who they are. But an unspecified group of spontaneously powered individuals who are not always prepared for the things they can do would definitely cause fear, hatred and resentment in "normal" folk.

Toni Carter

Something changed, though I doubt it's Lindsay-related specifically. I was on the $5 tier but it wouldn't allow me access today without dropping to the $4 Nebula tier. Feels weird to decrease my contribution but it was the only way I could access the video.

Seth from MGoBlog

Thanks Lindsay. Your concluding point "Thank you for for allowing me not to care anymore" resonates hard with me. I had a similar reaction to Star Wars/Rise of Skywalker, a movie so bad that it freed me from feeling any obligation to remain a comprehensive consumer of the franchise. I was relieved, not happy, to not have to continuously wind up on my back every time Lucy showed me a football. At then I watched Andor (again and again). This didn't change how I feel about the franchise--I'm still exhausted and feel no obligation to watch the things. But it brought back the part I missed about that fandom most. I watched the original trilogy again with my kid, and this time all of the baggage of hoping the franchise would be good again (and head canoning away its flaws) was gone, and I was able to fully appreciate all these wonderful nuances I'd picked up over reading making of and techy picture book stuff since high school. To be such a fan of something that you have all the background, but also not a fan of it to a degree that you get to experience being won over again: this is a level of fandom fulfillment almost nobody gets. I've had this happen twice, with Andor, and with my sports fandom because my college football team went through the same transition from champion to declining, self-reverential product, to scouring all of that away to build a new kind of champion on different principles. I am sad for your X-Men fandom. Having something you loved added to the pile of things you can be cynical about really sucks. It means every time you see a trailer for a new thing you're going to look at that and say no Lucy I am not going to try to kick your stupid football. But having been through this now a couple of times, I'm asking you for yourself to leave open the possibility that they will make an X-Men movie at some point that's going to be better than every other X-Men thing out there. Knowing you don't have to kick Lucy's football every time she puts it down is an important step. But there may come a time when the trailer says, and your friends say, and the internet agrees she's really going to let you kick it this time. Hold out a little hope for that possibility. Because when that toe actually connects and that fucker goes soaring, it's going to feel better for you than for anyone else.

Miguel Rodriguez

I’ve been waiting for this all week! There’s this other channel I watch that has done really good analysis and breakdown of the X-Men movies (from a more screen writer kind of perspective) and it makes me so happy to hear your opinions contrasting that other channel’s.

Benjamin Moore

Can anyone offer some help on this. Back when I was only subscribed to Lindsay I could see these herisa things fine. Now that I am still subscribed but also paying full for Nebula I get "Your current tier is not eligible for this content." What do I need to do?

Benjamin Moore

Is that really the answer? We have to give Lindsay *less* to see the content, even after paying full for Nebula?

Pulgoso Blues

Hi! This happens to me as well. Reading the comments I found what happened: You need apply to the Nebula Tier, in fact, is the only one available. Once you do this, you can enjoy the content.

A.E. Kieren

it wont let me watch. which is fine I just dont think I needed to be emailed about it if this wasn't available to my tier

Monssef Burezah

Thank you, Angelina, for confirming tha Apocalypse is Ivan Ooze. Thank you cordially.

Neo Ultra Mike

Okay this is probably a hot take but quite frankly I don't really think comic book fans which Lindsay and Angelina clearly are should have the "having the multiverse around so much loses the stakes"/"The X-Men don't work in a universe where the other Marvel characters are around" mentality. Why? Because the comics pretty clearly operate that way so if the films and shows are going to take after that aspect, they'd have to replicate that as well. I mean even X-Men 97 showed the idea of the multiverse/differing timelines as well as the Avengers and was still able ot really pound on Avengers theme because you CAN incoperate those elements together in a way that works. Hell I think the point of the ending of Secret Invasion is setting up a reason why the public is supposed to be more hostile and untrusting of outsiders that... maybe if that show was actually good in any way whatsoever would make those themes hit but yeah it isn't, but that's still supposed to be the point. I will fully agree a big problem with this Multi Verse saga is that there is at this present point no solid direction. The Infinity Saga was building up the main heroes and the Infinity Gems and I guess this saga is building up new heroes and different universes but not really doing it a way that flows naturally from one to the other which I feel you need more now especially if you are mixing and matching show elements into the films Like there needs to be a plan they clearly aren't showing well if they even have one. That said I do like you going through these movies and giving your thoughts and honestly I also prefer Deadpool 2 over the first (Deadpool 2 probably is my favorite of the X-Men Fox universe honestly) and do find it weird these writers never heard of the Fridging concept before. Like Fridging is like a term even by 2018 that's been around for over a decade you should know better but then again sadly Hollywood still has sort of an old mandate for these sort of things. And though I'm not that big a fan of the first two X-Men movies hearing the behind the scenes drama (love the editing of having the actors around the trailer trying to do the intervention) especially in that second film is interesting. Also can't wait to see since you teased at it here the video talking about all the various X-Men cartoons if only to see you gush over X-Men 97 more properly.

Pete Langhelt

My WiFi is fine. All streaming services working find but this video freezes every two minutes. Is this a Nebula or Patreon issue?

Paint Eater

I think the price went from $2 to $4 for nebula, so not sure what people on the old $2 tier are supposed to do

Mike

This is shitty, I've been a subscriber for a long time and all of a sudden increasing rate exactly when you come out with a new video is very disappointing.

Ethan Good

Is this the first time Angelina has appeared on camera? I can't remember ever seeing her before. In my mind, she's always been a disembodied name in the credits. I was surprised at the overall indifference/negativity towards Logan and at the effort being made to fit it into the larger continuity. I was under the impression it was a standalone interpretation of the Old Man Logan arc (which I have not read). I always thought Logan was the best X-Men movie. To this day, it is the only movie I can remember seeing that made me feel emotional with fight scenes—fully choked up and watery eyed. The degree of punishment that Logan endures in this movie hits differently than any other X-Men film. The multi-generational family dynamic also resonated strongly with me. I first saw the film with my dad a few years after my grandfather had died, and like Xavier, my grandfather had lost much of his faculties and needed full time care for the final years of his life. Perhaps seeing the deaths of beloved characters against the backdrop of recent familial death was an uncomfortable reminder of mortality for me that makes me remember Logan differently.

enchantedsleeper

I did find that a bit weird - I know that the X-Men co-exist alongside all these other heroes in the comics, so clearly that works? It's different to the stakes introduced in the first X-films, but it's not true to say "the X-Men cannot work this way". Because they obviously do. And ditto the revolving door of comics, although I do think it would be nice if the films weren't as gratuitous with it. And if they had a real goal, like you said.

enchantedsleeper

I completely forgot about that (Downey Jr being back) and wondered what the reference was to 😅 I really wonder if Disney doesn't get how fed up people are of Literally Everything they do with the MCU or if they're making enough money with it that it doesn't matter. Probably the second one.

enchantedsleeper

If you're paying for Nebula then you don't need to do anything with your tier, you can watch it on Nebula...

Lindsay Ellis

Hi! Lindsay made a post in May 2023 to inform everyone about the increase. It's actually been the same for a year and a half now. --Elisa

Lindsay Ellis

That's right, back in May 2023, Lindsay made a post explaining about the price increase. So it's been $4 for a year and a half now. Unfortunately, this is the minimum Nebula allows us to do now. --Elisa

Stormbourne

It's not every 2 minutes for me, but it's definitely routinely freezing and only refreshing the page makes it work again.

Max Wang

Angelina was in the drinking around Disney video

Robindra

I haven't watched the video yet but I have always thought x-men works in spite of it being set in the marvel universe, but it would be better thematically if it wasn't. the whole mutant metaphor for marginalised groups is really muddled in a world where other super beings are accepted. X-men is rare for comics which usually have a revolving door of writers having short runs, it had Chris Claremont write and oversee x-men, create new mutants, excalibu, spanning 17 years and establishing the x-men as we know them today. it was kind of its own world within the marvel universe. It would sometimes cross over with other marvel characters, probably more of a business rather than creative decision, that always feels jarring, I just try to ignore the wider marvel universe and pretend it is its own insular one. So while it has worked as part of a share universe I dont think that means it wouldn't be better on its own. I am pre-emptively annoyed with disney as I know they are going to squander the x-mens thematic potential

John Fischer

She was also in the second Omegaverse video, as well as her arm being the one that gives Lindsay the note at the end of Hobbit Part II.

Deconstruction Interactive

I like the central thesis that mutants and MCU don't mix well. I think it implies something very interesting about the X Men and their role as superheroes relative to MCU, DC, etc. A lot of superhero media, especially in the wake of the MCU's absurd financial success, is focused on creating a franchise, a universe, etc. It is refreshing to consider media that is specifically all about not including as many superheroes as possible. Also, your comment about the Earth getting destroyed so many times made me chuckle. Maybe the in-universe effect is that humans become jaded and just go on about their daily lives, not caring about whatever (A)pocalypse is going on at the moment.

worm on a string

Hi! I agree with many things you said, but I'm quite sure that the reason for the dramatic scream charles did when magneto was killing shaw in first class was not because "killing is evil and you are succumbing to it and i must scream" (however hilarious that would :D) but because he was in shaw's head and felt his pain :D

Skylar Baxter

I figured this out btw, you have to log out of Patreon on Nebula then log back in. Watched the video just fine. And loved it!

Maytree

I really enjoyed the video, thanks for making it! As a long time reader of the comics, I think the key to making the X-Men "work" in a world full of non-mutant superheroes was always by leaning on the "homo superior" theme -- the idea that these were not just individuals who got powers in one-off freak accidents or via pacts with extra terrestrials or godlike beings, or by acquiring magical or technological items of power, and so on. The mutants are REPLACEMENTS for baseline humanity. Their existence can be inferred to make having children and grandchildren completely pointless, because non-mutant humanity has reached an evolutionary dead end. (Never mind that that's not how evolution actually works; we're talking comic book logic here.) They are natural events, not freak accidents, and there's nothing that baseline humanity can do about them. Even if every known mutant is killed, the potential for mutants to reappear will always exist. This is not the same level of fear that you get when you worry about a a super villain robbing a bank, or knocking down a building and perhaps killing people inside. Those are understandable things, known tragedies. It's not the slow but certain death of your entire species due to obsolescence. The obvious real life analogy to draw would be to Charlottesville and those tiki torch marchers chanting "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!!". Replace "Jews" with "Muties" and you'll get the idea. Or read Clarke's "Childhood's End."

Ariel Vittori

Same for me, every 3 minutes, absolutely unbearable (I endured it but god it’s inconvenient)

Brando

What's the channel? My interest is piqued

Miguel Rodriguez

I’m not sure what the rules are about linking but the video is titled Superhero Rewind: X-Men First Class Review if you just look it up. The channel is Geekvolution and it has about 65k views. His older scripted reviews are great, I can’t speak to his newer live stuff.

Stephanie

having the same issue 😔

Matt

Same, seems to be a Nebula issue based on various threads. Honestly, it will drive me dropping my support tier here (since I can’t get through a Nebula video anyway) and has made me not want to subscribe to Nebula at all. They recommend contacting their support about it.

Orrin Konheim

What exactly is the format? Is there a video/

HalfHarkonnen

If you insist on publishing all your videos onto Nebula exclusively, with their ancient mid 2000s video interface. Then please at least provide timestamps in the description, otherwise your videos are entirely un-navigable. Have you even tried watching them on the Nebula interface?

Byrdee

Well it would be super cool if I were allowed to do anything else with my phone while this plays but I Must Stay In Browers for it to play. So I downloaded Patreon for you, but now I have to download second app? Pretty disappointed

DosVanya

Coming to this a few years after the fact and just wanting to make the unasked-for comment that a while ago i watched all the X-films films in release order and I end up rating The Wolverine really highly, possibly just because coming off of a trio of absolute stinkers — Last Stand (bad), Origins (trashy but bad), and First Class (a movie I despise) — The Wolverine just feels so much more like a real movie. It is better paced, I thought Famke Janssen got to give a more interesting performance and chemistry as Wolverine's SadTragedy goofy brain ghost than she ever did in the Singer films, and I really liked Rila Fukushima. Yes its dumb, yes its superficial, yes the last act sucks the way most superhero films third acts sucks, and yes its orientalist as hell, but it The Wolverine feels the most like a comic book of any of the films, a little self contained solo adventure arc with a focused throughline. I don't know if I watched it in isolation if I'd feel the same way I did when it was a breath of fresh air after some stinkers, bu I had a good time with it. (For the record my heart wants to say the worst X-man is First Class because I finds its particular brands of racism and misogyny the ugliest of any of these movies, but in honestly its either Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix (I can no longer tell them apart), which until the release of Black Adam held the record for some of the most inert superhero movies ever made. They are jsut soul-draining in how boring, checked out, and lifeless they are.

DosVanya

And I found The New Mutants fascinating because it's such a total failure, and its production was such a nightmare that it is literally, openly unfinished, it is unique. No other superhero movie fails like this fails - they can be boring, incoherent, poorly shot, but none of them are 'actually should not have been released' level of not doneness.