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The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Studios (Patreon)

Published:
2018-04-01 03:44:12
Edited:
2018-07-25 19:18:22
Imported:
2026-06

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So last night, I got super puking sick and was in bed all day, so where I meant to fine tune this sucker today, this is the... 95% there version. A draft, so to speak. It still has a few placeholder cards and errors with sound. But the finalish version is exporting now and will be up in a couple hours. 

Edit: Okay, now it is updated to a final-ish version.

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The Hobbit: Battle of Five Studios (Part 2/2)

So we've looked into what the problems were with these movies, the question now is... why? What happened, Peter Jackson? WHAT HAPPENED?

Comments

Joe Bloe

Aaaaaahhhh!!! Oh hey, Folding Ideas Guy is there too.

Benedict Marko

And again, the title alone made me laugh out loud ^^ Thanks so much, Lindsay & team, for the hard work! Going to watch it RRRight now! :) EDIT: Loved the twist at the end - I was jokingly thinking to myself "what if they did that", and then it happened ^^ Also, I wish for a Bonus Disk with all the Behind the Scenes of your production :) Two questions! 1.) Did you ask for a permit for shooting at the locations (airport, film set) or did Dan shoot those guerilla style? 2.) Was there any talk with John Callen about how the interview might negatively affect him (like, if there might be repercussions from the studios, or if he was bound by NDAs to not touch certain subjects)? Get well soon, Lindsay! What a fine piece of work, as always!

Allan

Let's call him FIGWIT. Short for Folding Ideas Guy, Who Is There.

David Majors

Great video, Lindsay. Great FINAL video of this series. 🤓

Orellien

Regarding Tauriel and gender relations with Fantasy: One of the works that handles it in a unique way that's worth looking at is Dragon Age. In the games, it's sorta like they started out with a more Game of Thrones-style universe, mirroring real-world gender roles, but with a twist: Because the Jesus-figure in the primary religion is a Joan of Arc type, and a few other noted instances where women stepped up and kicked ass, it became a lot more egalitarian. These were certainly done with an aim towards being more egalitarian, but I find it interesting that they put some of their worldbuilding efforts into explaining why, in this pseudo-medival setting, not much of a deal is made by a woman kicking ass.

Anthony

these deep dives are fantastic, awesome that you got to do some interviews

Saira Beg

I loved that ending! Also I'm glad there's another in the works. Love seeing you and Nella back together.

Noah Goucher

Vis-a-vis CGI Dain, I was always under the impression that they did that to work around Billy Connolly's health problems.

Jackie

I hope you feel better soon, Lindsay! : (

Reutermo

I love that you go outside the film and do actual interviews. This is next level stuff.

Gyurme

Awesome Ending! I was wondering if you would mention the .. interesting hoops the last NZ Govt jumped through to keep the film in NZ and the impact on the local film industry, so happy that you'll delve into it :)

Jennifer Miller

"We've just been informed by the studio that this is gonna be 3 videos..." ok, that was a good joke. Should have seen it coming, but I didn't. And I literally saw it right at midnight as it turned to April Fools.

Joe Bloe

Fans of Jackson should love a special made for Tongan Ninja, an all but disappeared movie that was basically a cheesy spoof of Enter the Dragon, the Bruce Lee movie set in Italy where he fights Chuck Norris at the end. It's very self aware of it's low budget-ness and there's even a moment in a fight scene that breaks the fourth wall in a clever way. Tongan Ninja starred Jemaine Clement long before Taika Waititi or Flight of The Concords took off, although Brett did help with the songs and dance numbers. Anyway, they made a 24 minute special for the DVD which was a spoof of DVD specials. It includes interviews with Peter Jackson and Andrew Adamson (director of a couple of Shrek and Chronicles of Narnia movies) pretending Tongan Ninja was a real comic book the movie was based on that influenced them greatly. I've uploaded it here with the password set as the username of this patreon. You can't buy Tongan Ninja new anywhere, haven't been able to for about a decade and this is a fairly private community and even here most probably don't read the comments so I don't feel too bad about posting it: <a href="https://mega.nz/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://mega.nz/</a>#!SCAASDYL!0BB0fgUYORwmQaNWYEH7gmdLic9_jpbaj-O2GwHWkcY

Nickwolf

After the first video, me and my partner agreed that it would be a dope move if *thing that happened at the end of this video* had happened. I am so glad to see it happened.

Callen

I don't know what I did to deserve both videos in the same month.

Harmony

LOL AT THE ENDING

Lindsay Nelson

Thank you for the next-level research, interviewing, and location shooting! That "how Hollywood treats women" section is one of the most concise primers on female characters in blockbuster movies that I've ever seen. (Also can't believe I didn't see that ending coming but OH GOD it was perfect.)

Paul Grodt

You are the BEST, Lindsay. I know how Patreon forces you to publish within schedules, but I have no problems with you needing extra time. I hope you feel better!

Callen

My dad's name is John lol

Eliina

Best time for a shoehorned third video ever!

De

I am so full of feelings. And all of them are so useless because I have no control over how we Americans have decided to go about the business of telling our stories. Why does it hurt so much? Anyway, great video. I'm so sorry you're sick. I hate throwing up and I hope this was just a passing bug that's all done with now.

DangCat

OH MY GOD I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE GOING TO (PRESUMABLY) GET INTO THE ACTING UNIONS THAT IS SOME JUICY STUFF

Hadrien Mosnier

Curse you studio @lindsey. All of that for more youtube money !

Matthew Dunne

Ohoho you got me with that ending. :)

Jake G

YOU ABSOLUTE MADWOMAN

Rork

I laughed a lot with this ending! ^^

Vic

This series is incredible, it's fascinating to see all this infornation in the same place and you did an amazing job with it. i already knew some of it, but man, it's sad to see how much of this production was kind of a disaster. That ending was gold!

TalysAlankil

Well you all killed me, congrats, i guess i'll be watching part 3 from…*insert middle earth reference here that I'm not nerdy enough to make myself*

Mary Cieslak

3 distinct moments where I actually burst out laughing: dead-eyed thousand-yard stare of Jackson Evangeline Lilys "here we go" the ending Great work as ALWAYS, and so happy we get to see such great content from you

Fel Martins

I saw the "love triangle" more as Tauriel liking something different. I mean, Legolas is cool, does action hero shit, but he's kind of boring. Here's this dwarf who is so unlike anything she's ever seen. Maybe she just wanted some strange.

Tesserox

WE ALL KNEW IT. WE CALLED IT. THREE VIDEOS. HAH.

Koda Fiction

I really do relate to your feelings of lost childhood wonder, which I think is why I’m enjoying these video essays more than I have your others. I’m not gonna rant, but as someone who grew up loving and relating to the Harry Potter movies, and then looking at what Rowling’s universe (and even what Rowling herself) has become now... well... I get it >_>

Jade Dale

I do tend to think that flawed representation is better then none at all. There's just very little that's more artistically or culturally damaging to a social group then being utterly absent from narrative. Tamriel has tons of fangirls on DeviantArt who feel inspired by her presence,and Evangeline Lily got global exposure out of the deal. From the actor's perspective,modern flawed representation is always gonna beat unemployment. This is particularly true if the gig guarantees one a career, perhaps even a small fortune. Guys have had buckets of skewed Hollywood representatives. A better world would have to involve women receiving the same.

Jade Dale

This video was amazing,a masterwork that an Elven smith would envy.

Kyle Williams

That April Fool's at the end worked on me completely! I saw there was a minute left when the guy at the end said the movies fucked New Zealand and I really thought you were ending it on that without explanation.

Alex Wright

After much fiddling with HDMI cable and trying to log into Patreon on a laptop finally got this on my TV like I would on YouTube so looking forward to it.

Allan Jensen

If you're logged into YouTube, once you press play the video will show up in your video history.

Allan Jensen

If your TV has a YouTube app, or you have a PlayStation, a Chromecast or whatever, just log in, access your video history and you're ready to go. Much easier than hooking up cables :-)

Alex Wright

This video is for patrons only on Patreon though atm, not YouTube.

Alex Wright

Oh wait, I've just seen the "watch on YouTube link, I stand corrected.

A. M.

HOBBIT ANGELINA. After Nella and Angelina, does this mean the next episode will have Hobbit Dan?

Harry Thornton

MAN it is so cool seeing you guys in New Zealand! Greetings from a fellow kiwi here - and HOLY CRAP you got John Callen to do an interview?! THAT IS AMAZING! How did you get into contact with him?

Rachel Adelson

Lindsay's videos are the now probably the only ones where you can get a documentary-quality interview AND a casual mention of AO3 in under like 5 min

Will Park

Studio interference. The bane of many a movies' quality.

Will Park

In your King Kong Loose Canon, you once said that Jackson's flaw as a filmmaker is that he loves the source material too much. I don't know if you remember this, but I later asked if this aspect of him is what contributed to the problems in The Hobbit films. You responded that it definitely played a part, but you also brought up studio interference did as well. After watching this, I finally understand what you meant by that.

CodeTako

It makes me so sad, the wasted potential. LotR lived up to its, and its obvious there was the possibility for the Hobbit to be good too - with that core group of Bilbo and the dwarves. It's a real shame what happened. Looking forward to vid 3 now!

Bailey Spencer

Anytime Dan Olson cameos for one of my other YTers, it's a good day.

IJLSK

How did I not see the 3rd part coming... I guess I'll claim that I was just so engrossed with (yet another super rad) analysis from you.

SuperDezzy

Oh my GOD! One minute and change in the video and Nella looks so freaking *HAPPY* to be in Hobbitton. My aging geek heart has grown three sizes!

SuperDezzy

And seeing my name in the credits in hobbitey, Tolkieny font. That made me so happy!

Alex Wright

And yes I have a Fire Stick and Now TV box and usually use my YouTube history in that way, but thought this wasn't on YouTube yet.

Farah Ismail

Somewhere in these films is a really great adaptation that you can watch in one sitting, I really believe that. You just need to Frankenstein them somehow...and I'm sure there's technology for that.

Alexa Gerber

Wow, that interview with John Callen is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. Followed closely by that Evangeline Lily interview. Oof. I hope there's a support group somewhere for all the Hobbit actors who got shafted by the studios.

LL

Finally, a forced trilogy I can get behind.

Ashley Will

IDK, I thought the Fantastic Beasts film in Rowling's universe was really good

Allan Jensen

Everything's uploaded to YouTube, but unlisted. You just need the link to watch it :-)

Koda Fiction

A FEW things about the current HP universe that cause me to exhale a long beleaguered sigh: 1.) The casting of Johnny Depp even after thousands of fans voiced their disdain of his actions and even after Rowling herself condemned sexual assault. 2.) The appropriation of actual Native American spiritual beliefs as “magic” within her universe 3.) The decision to retcon Dumbledore’s sexuality, effectively removing the only LGBTQ representation in the series. I’m not saying that the new movies don’t have merit. I saw Fantastic Beasts in theatres and I really enjoyed it. I probably still am gonna see the second one (though I’m probably gonna wait until it comes out on DVD). I still love the HP universe, and I probably always will to some extent. They were an important part of my childhood. But they’ve become... exhausting, to a degree. And recent decisions made about what is and isn’t canon haven’t exactly made it easy to not criticize what the series is now vs what it was when it began. Sorry for the rant, I know I said I didn’t want to, but... eventually I kinda wanted to. Other than my numbered reasons being things that actually happened, the rest of this is my opinion on the matter. I know some people agree with me. I know some people don’t agree with me. But because of my opinion, I understand Lindsay’s view on lost childhood wonder.

Farah Ismail

Good to know. And yes...the Lindsay version would do it for me.

JoshuaMartian

I was wondering if you were going to cover the whole boondoggle where our parliament changed laws and raised subsidies to allow our humble country to be graced by the presence of Warner Bros production of The Hobbit. Can't wait for part 3!

Emily Daenzer

Fucking called it! Thank god I get to see more of this! Also can we all mourn the lost thread of Balin playing Uncle Iroh to Thorin's Zuko because that was one of my other favorite relationships that never gets resolved.

Drak Drake

Hah! Love the ending. Can't wait to see part 3.

Hayley Nystrom

I honestly don't know how I did not see that twist coming.

Matrim

I really liked the interview you did with John Callen, I really think the perspective he offered was useful in kinda formulating a theory of what was happening. Plus, production stories are always fun. I'd really like to see the raw footage you did, because I'm sure there was plenty of stuff that didn't make it in to the final video.

Gregory Ball

I never finished the trilogy, and I couldn’t even get to the end of the Jobilt edit... and now I understand why! Another Kiwi here, looking forward to finding out how this ends.

Lindsey Phillips

Man I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanna say, fantastic job on these vids! These must be the most ambitious yet, and it REALLY shows. Keep up the good work! (Also can't wait for your next vid.)

Taylor Costello

I think the only way I'd watch these movies is the eventual fan edit that condenses it down to one movie (I'm so sorry, Lindsay).

daisy_blonde87

My dad and my fiancé, who are both Tolkien fans, really enjoyed the way you compared this to the source material. You made an interesting point about The Silmarillion. My dad hated that book as he thought it was a bit tacked on so I can see why they went with the link between The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings. Also you will probably know Aidan Turner is very big over here now in Poldark so the added love triangle certainly helped his career! To be honest I struggled to finish LOTR when I read it as a teenager but was determined to read it before the last film came out, but my Dad read The Hobbit to me a few times and I got more out of that. That probably puts me in the casual category compared to you. Thanks again so much for the video.