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Designing the Other: Aliens on Film (Patreon)

Published:
2016-11-24 03:56:11
Edited:
2016-11-28 18:43:08
Imported:
2026-06

Content

Will try to finish one more video by the end of the month...

I'm tempted to do one about the literal fucking nazis... talk me out of it... 

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Designing the Other: Aliens on Film

A very brief overview of some alien creature designs from popular movies over the last few decades, and what information those designs impart to the audience. Twitter: @thelindsayellis Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loosecanon From ET's big baby eyes, to the HR Giger's xenomorph from Ridley Scott's Alien's no-eyes and the Independence Day aliens no-mouth.

Comments

Fayyette

LOL The Nazis? I'm down ^U^

Maya Sapiurka

You're not going to get an argument on it from me...if ever the Nazis were topical...

Allan

Well, doing such a video would probably just make you feel really bad, and while I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, would the good done be sufficient to offset that? I mean, I wouldn't *think* that you'd change many minds with it (not that it's not good and such, just I think you'd be preaching to the converted, to a point), so really you'd just be upsetting yourself for little actual gain in terms of education/perspectives. On top of that, speaking entirely selfishly, I'd rather you do a video you enjoy doing than one you don't - they're always more fun to watch. So, there's that angle, although how much it matters is obviously something you'd need to decide.

Ben

Maybe you could do one about how fictional US presidents are portrayed in media?

Allan

Conservatives, yes (I count myself as one, so it'd be silly of me to disagree on that count), but literal Nazis? I wouldn't expect them to gravitate to her style, all else being equal. And even if we assume that there are those people watching, what're the odds of any of them changing their mind, either with regard to their own personal views or how they relate to/perceive this fairly polarising group, as a result of this hypothetical video? Very low, in my estimation. And the danger of such a video - apart from making Lindsay feel like crap from wallowing in a group I'm guessing she isn't a fan of - is that it could be read as being preachy, biased or agenda-driven (note: "read as" not "is"), and if people feel they're being preached to they're unlikely to change their minds. So the impact may be lessened on that front as well. It just doesn't seem that it's likely to really have an impact in itself to me, and has a small but nonzero chance of alienating people.

Taylor

Make a video on whatever interests you! I have been fascinated by pretty much every topic you've decided to do, so I know I'll at least be watching no matter what!

tomathy 💙

Talk you out of it??? Bitch I'm egging you on!

Chelsea Monk

I don't particularly mind which video you do next, as long as you have fun researching it. I feel like Allied media versions of Nazis, especially those aimed at a family / general audience, tend to make them more goofy or at least less threatening like in 'Allo 'Allo...or they are just a vague faceless threat to loom over characters like in Sound of Music (idk if you ever got 'Allo 'Allo aired in the US)

Jason James

Literal, actual Nazis? All your fans will support you on that. Which one is our new president?

Amelia Maciorowska

If you do a loose cannon on Nazis you'll have to get through millions of WWII and Holocaust movies. Why don't you make a shorter essay about Cabaret, about its influence, portrayal of the rise of the Nazis etc.

Tanahamondo

I agree with like 99% of this. However, I disagree that pupil-less eyes always denotes danger. Most of the time yes, but not exclusively. For example, Stitch from Lilo & Stitch. He has large black eyes with no pupils, which helps establish his alien-ness, and his unpredictable nature (you can't tell what he's looking at exactly and thus don't know exactly what he'll do next), but it also doesn't take away his inherent cuteness and hugability.

Tanahamondo

Also yes please do the Nazis! It'll give you an excuse to talk about Mel Brooks!

Barry Donnelly

A video about fictional Nazis would interesting. Just don't go insane making it.

Bardcraft

Came out of nowhere, but awesome. I love it. I can't wait for Nazi vid and talking about Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Basterds.

Michael C. Johnson AKA Riggleton

This video was great, and despite myself being a big Transformers fan who the Michael Bay movies sorts of mangle a portion of my theoretical soul, I give those movies slightly a little more credit now. Also, I sort of want a Nazi video now that you mention it... So many good movies of Americans fighting Nazis. The U.S could use more of that right now.

Ayisha Sivalingam

If it means I get to listen to you talk about Der Fuehrer's Face again then shut up and take my money.

Don Bright

i keep re-editing this, there are a thousand reasons not to do nazis... but if you are going to do nazis so just at least put in the soviet film "ordinary fascism"

Joe G

But Stitch has the small light-coloured ovals in the middle of those big black eyes. Maybe they're supposed to be perpetual light reflections or something, but they effectively act like pupils.

Joe G

I don't care for the Bay films either, but I have to admit those films do effectively convey the origins of the two sides from the G1 cartoon: the "working class" robots built for factory/construction (the Autobots) and the robots built for military purposes (the Decepticons).

Jade Dale

Great video, as always. Design geekdom and world building are both among my favorite types of geekery. I think the Nazis in Film video could work, so long as "Nazi" is not interchangeable with "German". My social worker is from modern Germany, and she protects me from Nazis all the time. She's awesome like that. It might be worth specifically mentioning in the video that much of formerly imperialist Europe is now more democratic then we are in the States.

Tanahamondo

Trust me, I own the art book and the special DVD with the 2 1/2 hour documentary on the making of the thing. Plus I've seen the movie hundreds of times. They are indeed meant to be light reflections, but they do not function as pupils. He never uses them to look at anything and they never indicate which direction he's supposed to be looking in.

TimeChaser

Not gunna talk you out of it. Fuck nazis and their modern knock offs forever

Felicitas

do it. I'm even offering German help (translating and/or pronouncing) if you need it

E.T.Smith

How about *literally* actual fucking nazis? Like the actual contradictory attitudes of the original National Socialists to sexual mores, fascist domination imagery matching poorly with (psuedo-)scientific ideals of careful genetic control. And the many examples of Nazi imagery being appropriated after WW2 for fetish effect.

Sean Murphy

I will up my pledge from $2 per video to $5 and keep it that way if a literal fucking Nazis video comes out. Who's with me?

Allan

And you think that one video is going to change their minds? "Oh, well, people have been calling those who disagree with them Nazis for years, but THIS time it's true, because someone told me it is!" The fact of the matter is irrelevant with regard to this decision: if people think they're being preached at, or know what they're going to be told, they tune out/click away, and no minds are changed. If you think there are people you know who don't think facism is a potential threat to Western society, or don't think racism etc is a present problem, then talk to them about it. Ask why they think that. Present statistics (I know, a lot of people don't like them, but I really respond well to hard numbers), and listen to their response. A video is ultimately not interactive, and mind-changing or teaching is almost always an interactive process. Plus, she asked to be talked out of it, which makes me think she doesn't want to do it. Without meaning to "white knight", I'd rather she not upset herself doing something which I think has a low chance of having any actual impact.

Allan

I didn't say it would be preachy. It said it would be read as preachy. Peoples read is not the same as the author's intent, and is only loosely related to what they actually see. So it could be the bestest video since ever, and if people think "Oh, it's another video telling us about how the authors outgroup is actual literal Nazis, yawn", they're unlikely to watch it or really engage with it. And if your friends do not respect or listen to your concerns, then they're kind of terrible friends, and by your own admission the video itself (hell, 20 videos) aren't going to change that. If they ignore hard facts because the person presenting the facts is of a different ethnicity than themselves, then I don't see how a video can change things. And if you think appearance makes a difference, well, I can't believe there aren't sources presented by white people on Richard Spencer and related ideas. Why would that argument break out? That argument makes no sense. Your ethnicity is irrelevant, and I'm guessing that you don't have the skills to make persuasive videos or you would have already done that (or at least that's how you perceive your skills, and you're more likely to know you than some random Internet person). And your argument isn't illogical, I just disagree with your premises.... I don't know if you're lazy or not.

Allan

... The point of that was that you seemed to be presenting yourself that way and I was taking read-yous word for it since I obviously don't know you. If I misread, I apologize for the error,, it was not done out of malice or an attempt to belittle you. Quite the opposite.

LL

...I would actually love a retrospective look at Nazi's now. I had not realised how ingrained my deep-seated fear of the far-right and Facists was until this year. I've lost count of the amount of times I've listened to Chaplin's Great Dictator speech this year.

Michael C. Johnson AKA Riggleton

I know in the comics and cartoons they expressed the Autobots and Decepticons have those origins but I don't recall the movies ever doing so. That being said, Aside from the first movie the rest of the movies become a blur and I don't think I've even seen the last two movies from start to finish.

Gil

Me too.

Gil

Isn't the important thing that they look like pupils? I mean cars clearly don't have faces but I always saw them that way as a kid (and still today because I can't unsee it) and they could look friendly or a bit angry or whatever, depending on the design.

Tanahamondo

Not at all. They're supposed to look like key lighting, to make the eyes appear glossy and active. There's a whole segment of that 2 1/2 hour documentary I mentioned devoted entirely to his eyes.

Piper Malone

I am so up for a way we portray Nazis as I feel that its important for us to explore the concept more. My view is we otherize them a lot (cartoonishly so) to avoid admitting how human they are and how we can end up doing the same horrible things.

Rodrigo V. Perez

Minor thing, but thank you for using clips from the original E.T.

Sarah Jesness

I'd be interested to watch a video on Nazi media portrayals.

mizushimo

Would also be interested in

mizushimo

would also be interested in a video about nazi portrayal

Petros L. Ioannou

I'd be down for literal nazis and especially how we seem to try and avoid using them more and more these days.