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Natani and Tala (Patreon)

Published:
2024-04-04 02:33:54
Edited:
2024-08-19 21:35:38
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2026-06
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#1 Color vote from March, Natani hanging with Fluffkevlar's character Tala at a hotspring, suggested by TheFriendlyDeathclaw!

See also: Meeting ARA | Flora Meets Ayn (color) | Zofie's Bakery | Ara in Spaaace

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AlaricLives87

With all of his confidence showing here, Nat is the best wolf boi <3

TeraKat

Such an amazing work Tom!!!! Both look so gorgeous!

Indigo

It's blue-eyed Young River Tala, so no worries. The beans are a green-eyed North Arrow Tala thing.

Roughlandin

Natani: *Sniff snorf* "...Why do you smell like sheep?"

Isaiah James

The two cute girls now colored...though I don't know what to think of This peice knowing the background of Tala from the comic shes in...

Spillthefire6

The other girls in these sorta pics usually seem to use use an professional onsen setting when they bath. Apparently these two wolf girls decided to just plop naked in a hotspring in the middle of the snowy wilderness. Very hardcore. The gray, white and bluish backgrounds kinda fits Tala's colors well.

silver dragonia

what is the name of the comic? i'd happily look it up

silver dragonia

this is pretty great as it is coloured and i do still find it nice natani is still being confident in herself

AetherSprite224

It's kinda funny how these gals could not have more different comics of origin. XD

SophieTRat-Skunk

“Predators of Denali”… it’s very *cough* mature mind you…

Dan Vaelling

Nat's a guy, your transphobia is not welcome here.

Isaiah James

I've already looked it up...it a porn comic basically...which changes my thoughts on this one...I mean i don't know nor care what Tom's into,but...if it's a simple collab, I guess it's fine.

AlaricLives87

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to repeat myself and say I find the misgendering repugnant, and unless there is good reason to claim benign ignorance, there is something malicious about it. There are transgender fans who are inspired by the character. Maybe show a little respect?

Dan Vaelling

Nat's not a girl, he's a guy.

Jeebüüs

"gals" yeah whatever you say homie. You should check out his (Natani's) ref sheet some time, it might be a real eye-opener for you.

SophieTRat-Skunk

Not physically… and now that their mental link to Zen has been broken, not as much mentally either…

SophieTRat-Skunk

Not physically… and now that their mental link to Zen has been broken, not as much mentally either…

SophieTRat-Skunk

Physically they’re both girls… and now that Natani’s mental link to Zen has been broken, they’re slowly reverting to their original female mindset…

Colonel Runesun

Love the contrasts between the environment and their furs. Helps draw attention to them 💚

silver dragonia

dan vaelling can you stop doing this? it is so annoying what would you do if tom says natani is female than male and natani says she feels more herself and use feminine pronounces?

Dan Vaelling

Except that it's stated that all of Nat's masculine feelings comes from himself, and that even before the link Nat didn't just "disguise" himself as male for the guild, he liked being seen and considered a guy. Zen had no effect on his identity. And no I wont stop, you people need to learn how to be respectful towards others and their identities. And to answer your other question, then I would keep using Natani's preferred pronouns, as that's the respectful thing to do. Not that that would ever happen, in fact Tom has said the opposite numerous times.

silver dragonia

you got to think about one thing: people change over time so i believe he could and maybe change his opinion on natani's feelings and how natani puts herself into the world and another thing i believe is important: even if natani or other women feel masculine doesn't necessarily mean they feel they need to be a man to prove their worth and same goes for men who says they feel feminine they may not feel the need to physically change to a woman there are many women out there who feel masculine and can pull their own weigth in anything they put their mind into same goes for men who feels feminine all they may want is to feel and look pretty or beautiful in their own way maybe natani was confused between wanting to be a man than feeling masculine turmoil can still happen with feelings especially with her brother who can tease her from afar without being there and vice versa and i doubt zen had no effect on her identity as i believe being there for her and trying to help her through her turmoil of how she felt would cause some kind of an affect even if it may not be long lasting

Dan Vaelling

That's an impressive word avalanche, for next time maybe look into a neat little thing called punctuation. Natani is a trans guy, he's not a woman, and not confused. This has been made unambiguously clear multiple time in and out of the comic. It's not up for debate or discussion, and it's not going to change. You're either completely oblivious to what it means to be trans, or a massively transphobic bigot, so which is it?

silver dragonia

well this is what i have to say before i just put you to a block section: have you ever thought stuff through than what your midget brain allows? i do have mild brain damage from birth yet i try to understand things with what i don't understand so where do that put me with you? you're stagnant in reasoning while i try to get to know stuff even if it may confuse me more atleast i'm trying to understand people and i do follow a person i didn't know were a trans at first not going to say who it is in case said person don't want someone like you by the way try to get your head out of whatever gutter you've forcefully put it through like getting to know people by who they are and their experiences with life also try to be neutral about it even if it may be impossible to you it is a little diffecult to me but at the end i try to be nonjudgemental

Kodalynx

Nope. Tom, if you're reading these, I'm sorry but allowing rampant transphobia here is not making this feel like a safe place for your trans patrons and followers who see your work as a positive influence. I'm sure others will step up to cover if the noxious ones get show the door. This is seriously not cool.

jphorn

I just always love to see her comfortable

AetherSprite224

Dan "This member isn’t supporting any creators at the moment." Vaelling Lol

AetherSprite224

The relevance was I found it funny someone not even supporting the Patreon saw fit to harass people here... but I'll be magnanimous and take you at your word. :)

RivCA

Look again. Nat's eyes have the dichromatic effect going.

Dan Vaelling

Go search up "Vaelling" here on Tom's Patreon, then come back to me tell me what you found.

Shadow Eclipex Art

Both of you probably have it set to hide who you are supporting. Also I am not sure how Tom has it set up, but I think the default for Patreon is people who aren't supporting can't comment. Also Aether, until Tom says otherwise, Nat should continue to be considered male. Respect the Creator and respect the character.

Shadow Eclipex Art

Sophie, unless Tom confirms it, that is just a fan theory.

AetherSprite224

Shadow Eclipex, the character said, and I quote, "I didn’t mind being a girl, but… I liked being seen as a boy." That's not a thing a transman says, or how they feel about themselves. I should know. Hence why I don't consider Natani trans.

AetherSprite224

But I also don't think it's my business to pronoun police everyone who disagrees with me there... I think people have a right to their own interpretation of Natani, despite me vehemently disagreeing with it. Despite the fact I find it actually transphobic to have my life compared to a magical wolf person's shattered soul and warped self-image. Thank you, though, Shadow, for being polite about it. The subject was already brought up, so I don't consider you to be any kind of harasser, but Dan definitely is. I've been a fan of this comic for 15 years and I'm not going to let people like him bully me away because they want to use people like me as a shield because it lets them morally excuse harassing people over debatable facet of a fictional character's identity.

Isaiah James

Unless Tom completely Changes Natani to be male both physically and Mentally,the fan theroy here is saying she's a male when she obviously is not,iam not just saying that because she has boobs,she was born a women,and always has been a women,someone could identify as whatever the hell they want,but that dosent mean they are that thing they think and claim to be,they know it,you know it,and I know that,regardless if Natani is or isn't reverting back to her normal self.

AlaricLives87

Whether you speak figuratively or imply something more here, it doesn't help. Someone like Dan Vaeling, as aggressive as he comes off, is an ally who sticks up for LGBTQ fans, and it means a lot. When we see people going around misgendering the character or disparaging transgender people's existence, it hurts. Not too long ago (late last year), I was repeatedly called a faggot and taunted with more homophobic slurs, as were a couple of others here who are also LGBTQ. I didn't see any of you helping us then when we needed it. Yet, this is bullying and harassment? I don't know what it's going to take to convince you to show enough compassion and respect maybe, but if you won't take my word for it, take Tom's: https://www.deviantart.com/comments/4/740309/5037642509

AetherSprite224

Sorry, again--I don't consider Natani trans, and from that comment it looks like Tom doesn't either. Natani is Natani. Again, Natani not hating having a female body is a pretty fundamental clue right there at odds with an actual trans experience. There are so many context clues that have been for years in the comic that tell you Natani's main beef with womanhood was a lifetime of belittlement and cultural indoctrination... literally the quote "I didn’t mind being a girl, but… I liked being seen as a boy.". Again, I will tell you from a life of experience--That. Is. Not. What. A. Transman. Feels. Like. But the great thing is, you and I don't have to agree. Because you holding that view of the character doesn't hurt anybody, and neither does mine. You are not the pronoun police, and trans people don't need you to stand up for us when someone calls a fictional character the wrong pronouns. The rest of the internet is not Reddit. And as to "I didn't see any of you helping us"--I don't see you telling Dan to stop harassing people, either.

Shadow Eclipex Art

Sounds more Gender fluid, but I still feel like we should stick to what Tom has stated until otherwise told. And atm Natani's most up-to-date ref still says he's a guy. Might be physically female, might not care if some people see him as a girl, but still identifies as a guy.

Shadow Eclipex Art

Tom is the creator of Twokinds, both story and setting, thusly Tom has say on how things go in the world he has created. Saying Natani is male isn't a fan theory because it is official content decided by the creator. You are trying to impose arguments and debates from real life onto a fantasy world where the rules of reality don't apply. Tom is effectively the "god" of Twokinds and can decide on how things are in that world.

Isaiah James

Even common sense logic of gender applies in fictional universes,unless you create a species that is alien or purposefully meant to be weird and completly different with its anatomy compared to standard anatomy,yes Tom can decide what he wants for the comic,but that dosent make my opinion less or more than others,and in the comic,it's still following that common sense gender logic,there's a bit of gender bending with clovis,but that's very miniscule to a case of making a universe with a supreme fictional logic were you make everything and what ever the hell you want up in regards to anatomy,gender,etc.twokinds is not in that supreme case.

Shadow Eclipex Art

You bring up Clovis who is very clearly another male in a female body, but you refuse to accept Natani as a male woth a female body.

Isaiah James

Clovis is a male,but has been cursed with dragon magic to make him look physically like a women. Natani is a women,but due to magic damaging her soul,then having it mended with her brothers soul,has resulted in her thinking her self a male mentally,either way,the situation is that both characters know who they are,but the side effects of the magic that effect them they have to live with,until they can find a way to reverse it so they can go back to their normal selves,Clovis back to a full male,and Natani back to a full female

Shadow Eclipex Art

Except Natani might not return to "full female", we have to wait and see what Tom has planned for the story. In the mean time we need to respect what Tom has set in place for his story and characters and accept that Natani identifies as Male. (Also idk if Clovis will ever return to his "normal self" since he's a small dragon now)

Isaiah James

I have respect for the trans community,for them to live and fight for their rights as anyone should...but do to my personal and religious beliefs,iam not gonna call someone what they are not,for example,iam not gonna call a duck a chicken,no matter how much it quacks at me in wanting to call it a chicken when it's clearly not a chicken.thats I meant about not lying to myself or denying my belifs just to make others happy,just because someone has a mental problem of gender disphoria,and do not think them selves the gender they actually are and think them selves the opposite,both,neither,or some other random gender,which they know they are not,even in this fictional universe.

AlaricLives87

Speaking again as someone who is LGBTQ, as I tried with Aether before they decided it would be easier to block me than have a conversation, your analogies are anti-trans, Isaiah James. You don't want to be called a transphobe, okay, but everything you're saying, duck vs chicken, identifying as a helicopter, going over people's anatomies, and then claiming religious/personal belief is what transphobes in general use, anti-trans movements use this language to limit and(or) eliminate rights for transgender people, threatening families and their transgender children, and use incorrect pronouns when offering thoughts/prayers for transgender people are murdered every day. I STILL HAVE TO ENDURE HOMOPHOBIA TODAY. Some in my family still cling to the idea that I'm just "going through a phase" or use language I dare not repeat. I'm telling you that the way you're coming off is something I'm all too familiar with and what transgender people go through every day. And it feels completely insincere when you turn around and say you show love or respect for us. Was the link I shared with Aether previously broken? Tom refers to Natani by he/him pronouns and calls him a guy. That's not woke pressure getting to an author. He decided on his own that this was how he would be interpreting Natani moving forward. It's simply character development in a story that's gone on for 20+ years! Now, one last thing, and I beg your pardon if this isn't the case with you in particular, but take it from a gay perspective. People can like a trans character, find them attractive, or any other male character, gay, bi, trans, or vice versa, and still be heterosexual and perfectly fine. You can appreciate Natani and not have a crisis of faith and(or) sexuality. Nobody would judge you for that. If anything, you'd be judging yourself. But maybe this is all just pointless. I can at least say I tried.

Shadow Eclipex Art

You say you respect the Trans community but at the same time say some very Transphobic things. I can vaguely relate, I am religious too, I have a few nitpicks with some of the ideas ideology they have, but I have come to realize it's better to respect their choices than to cause conflict by arguing. Arguing with them and using religion as a defense only gets them to hate your religion. It's best just to show them respect and love rather than causing more strife. If you don't you can't expect to receive respect for your beliefs and lifestyle.

RivCA

Fuck your excuses, rise above. You're trying to change an established character trait; Dan is trying to keep the facts straight. Natani is functionally female, but the way I see it, he's still one of the guys. Until (or unless) Tom makes any changes with HIS art and writing, maybe keep the diatribe to yourself? Also, silencing people whose opinions you disagree with isn't the cross you think you're bearing; it's just the trash taking itself out. Feel free to block me or not, but if you keep this up, you may wind up one community less than what you had before. Rise above, Silver, or see yourself out.

RivCA

Unless you're referring to Tala, you may want to look again. Nat considers himself as one of the guys, and with this color sketch you can clearly see the dicromatic effect in his eyes. Canonically, this is now gone, so while Natani is functionally female, the eye color scheme is very much in line with him still being much more of a man than you. ZING!

jphorn

I was trying to be kind and wholesome so can you take your negativity somewhere else and kindly shove it

Kalel The Protogen

Tala is so freaking adorable! I reallllyy wanna see Tom make a comic of her