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Lingerie Proposal (Patreon)

Published:
2019-10-21 16:00:04
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2021-03-12 21:09:43
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Youngtani tries to persuade Natani, suggested by BlazingFoxSpirit!

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Shockblaster

I bet wearing that would give Keith a katana-tail though...

Keith Keiser

Don't let Youngtani take control, nobody would be able to handle it

Miftox 01

Why am I devilishly laughing out of joy when I see this? 😅😂

Ryan Reaper

Come on Natani~ we know you want to VwV

Malen69

Just one time i want to see Youngtani take over and give Keith the night of his life lol.

SCD

Listen to your younger self, Natani. Go for it.

JCA-Kun

We definitely need a part 2 here

Keith Keiser

Unless Youngtani uses some forcing

DarthKeidran

<b>STORY-COMMENT™</b> Youngtani: Dew It! Natani: No means no! Keith: <“Hey Natani, I’m gonna run into town for a bit. I’ll pick up some new mana crystals for you while I’m at it, wanna join?”> Natani: <“I’m feeling a bit under the weather today. I think I’ll stay behind today.”> Keith: <“want me to get anything for that?”> Natani: <“I’ll be fine. Pretty sure it’s just something I ate.”> Keith: <“I’ll check on you when I get back to be sure.”> *leaves* Natani: (thoughts) I better suppress this memory… And don’t you dare say a word of this to Zen! Youngtani: Pftt! Chicken. Natani: *Tries on the ‘small-clothes’ that Kathrin made and looks in a mirror* *blushes* Youngtani: Dayum! We look hot! Natani: (thoughts) Stahp It!!! You’re giving me uncomfortable thoughts! Youngtani: *begins laughing uncontrollably* <i> And please, I’m not trying to start a fight anybody, just trying to give people a fun time.</i>

DarthKeidran

I feel Youngtani would get along very well with Karen, and perhaps Maddie.

DarthKeidran

I don’t know. Our minds aren’t linked. 🤣

Keith Keiser

Possiblely, only if Youngtani was out of Natani's head and being separate

DarthKeidran

Keith be like, “Natani… are you alright? This doesn’t seem quite… normal for you…”

DarthKeidran

Woot! woot! I guess that means this is a lucky sketch. The question is, is it lucky for Us, Youngtani, Natani, Keith, or a combination of two or more of the above?

Gangler

Wait, is Youngtani like a full fledged second personality vying for control of the body? Not just like a visual representation of Natani's repressed memories or whatever?

DarthKeidran

<b>@Natani (Sykez Wolf)</b>: *waits until Keith isn’t around and tries it on anyways, just to see how Kathrin’s handiwork looks and fits*

DarthKeidran

This is true. Or… we could always use some kind of accidental and temporary mind merge <b><i>Magical Mishaps</i></b> story to cause the above scenario.

Wolf guy

Who is Youngati

Sons of Lorgar

In sketch AU, she is a fully fledged secondary personality, yes, but I wouldn't say she's vying with him for control over their older body, more like teasing him.

MoppyPuppy

Youngtani should hook up with Young Keith, same relationship with none of the hang ups. If their relationship absolutely needs a conflict it can be Keith being unable to keep up with a ravenous Natani.

DarthKeidran

That’s kind of up for debate. From canon, Youngtani is one of potentially many fragments of Natani’s pre-curse mind (not 100% sure if Natani’s soul is in more than 2 fragments, or not, but heavily implied), and is, namely, the part of Natani’s soul that (opinion warning) was a tomboy (end opinion) (or trans (to appease that crowd)), and had the true memories as to why Natani originally disguised as male. Youngtani’s fragment being separated is why Natani thought the primary reasons to disguise as male were rape prevention and anticipation of being looked down on as weak due to being biologically female should that detail be known. (This, Youngtani reveals, is actually what Zen thought the reason was.) The Natani we know and love composes the largest of the fragments, and, as a result, is the one in control… <i> And please, I’m not trying to start a fight anybody, just trying to civilly and peacefully explain to the best of my abilities. </i> Great, after theorizing and trying to explain it, I really want to see a “Many personalities of Natani” sketch, based on Kevin from the movie Split

DarthKeidran

See my reply to Mitchell Sealy above for some more details, but Youngtani is essentially one of the fragments of Natani’s mind created when Issac died defending himself.

The Furry Centinel

I'm still confused... If Natani is a male on the inside and female only in the outside, does that mean his/her relationship with Keith is some kind of gay relationship?

DarthKeidran

Zen, in mindscape: *figuratively opens the door* Keith: *Tailsaber Activation* Zen: Gah! You’ve poked my mind’s eye out!

coredumperror

The follow up to there, where Youngtani successfully convinces her, needs to be seen!

MiDoFox

Come and embrace your female side, think of Keith

DarthKeidran

That depends on your perspective and openness to others perspectives… On the far end of one hand, Natani is a Gay, Pre-transition, Trans-man, Period. (Importance: What you feel like is > Biological facts) On the fence in the middle, Natani’s Gay because of the male mentality, and straight due to physiology. (Importance: What you feel like is = to Biological facts)(As best as I can word it, as I consider myself closer to on the fence than anything: Is a female attracted to a male, but has many masculine personality traits in contrast). And on the far end of the other hand, Natani’s a straight, gender-confused, female, Period. (Importance: Biological facts are > What you feel like) <i> And please, I’m not trying to start a fight anybody, just trying to civilly and peacefully explain to the best of my abilities. </i>

DarthKeidran

I agree. Youngtani: Dayum! We look hot! Natani: (thoughts) Stahp It!!! You’re giving me uncomfortable thoughts! Youngtani: *begins laughing uncontrollably*

DarthKeidran

Sounds a lot like “Join the Dark Side”. Which is always fun, trust me. 😋

Fox-o guy

You sure are! Fan-fic of even art pieces!

DarthKeidran

Sure are: trying to give people a fun time? Or fight? I can assure you that if you meant the latter, that I’m not trying to cause trouble, especially considering how hard I work to try to de-escalate the situation when someone does start a fight.

Fox-o guy

Darth: *Doesnt start a fight about natani (thanks god it didnt happen again devianart is hell)* Me: You did it! You crazy son of a b****h, you did it!

Fox-o guy

Darth how many comments cna you reply to? Are you Tom's right hand explanator or something????

Malen69

Meanwhile, Keith is standing in the doorway right across from Natani, watching her try on the goodies with a DEEP blush on his face.

DarthKeidran

No (I wish). Just trying to stay awake… I had car troubles, and if I don't stay awake, I can't get them dealt with. Needless to say, I'm not going to work today. :-(

DarthKeidran

<b>@Malen</b>, Don't forget the Tailsaber activation. We can never forget that.

Malen69

Naturally!

Torbjörn Larsson

Oooh! The boob part! The bood part! ... ehrm , yes.

Went Brown

She's also very cute.

Adamas

I personally was thinking the Teen Titans episode where they see the different aspects of Raven's personality in an enchanted mirror.

hippiewerewolf

Hmm, I'd like to see this carry over into the comic. Maybe Youngtani starts making appearances in Nat's mind like Zen does, giving her own input.

Alvarin_IL

I think that " I'll do it " remark came from Zen over the link.

Roughlandin

Youngtani: "Whatever. Gendered clothing is a social construct anyway." Natani: "Wh-where did you hear that? What does that even mean?" Y-tani: "It MEANS that the clothes you wear don't affect how much of a male you are. In fact, I'd argue that any male who could walk around in this and still feel manly is MORE comfortably male than one who's terrified of some frilly little pieces of silk." N-tani: "Frilly and little is right... And hey! I'm plenty male and I'm very comfortable!" Y-tani: "Oh really? Then prove it! You put this on, march over to Keith, look him in right the eye, and tell him, 'I'm wearing this. I'm a male. And Nora-dammit you WILL respect me!" N-tani: "Grrr... FINE! Gimme the thing already!" Y-tani: "Don't need to. You're already wearing it. You've been staring at yourself in the washroom mirror, muttering to yourself like an idiot for the past fifteen minutes." N-tani: "Whu...?" Keith: "Uh... Hey, Nat? Everything okay in there?" Snarly, frilly N-tani: "I'M A MALE AND YOU WILL RESPECT ME!" Keith, assuming the position: "Yes, sir! Of course, sir! This one's safeword is 'Kowabunga', sir!" Ghost Laura: "Looks like all that 'training' stuck after all. Hehe!"

DarthKeidran

XD that ending. Me: (because of sleep deprivation) ☠️

DarthKeidran

She kind of did a page or two before the last one that had Keith, Zen, and Natani.

Travis9x

I have to agree with DarthKeidran's opinion on this one (stress: this is our OPINION). I feel like Natani is both. She was born female, and was also mentally female until the curse and mental binding to Zen (though her young self did still exhibit many "tomboy"ish tendencies, she still identified as female). After the curse and mental binding to Zen, this changed her mental identity to male, but her physiology and physical attractions remained the same. So she's both. (I refer to her as female, because that was her original identity, and I feel like the change to male was forced upon her against her will, resulting from the curse)

tehbear

its a mind field of puns

Beastking1945

Join the Dark Side, we have, whatever snacks they have in that world.

Customaera

Listen to Youngtani - Nude is great and all, but lingerie leaves much to the imagination, and Keith tends to have that in spades.

The Last Milkman

Shush Youngtani, let Natani wear his boxers and binder.

ProudLoneWolf

Natani does in fact own lingerie, as a gift from Kat. The reaction was basically "Why would you make me this?!" "Oh I'm sorry I'll take it back-" "NO I'll keep it anyway." So I expect we'll see it again when Keith and Natani decide to take the plunge, which given their most recent interactions may be sooner than expected.

Eric

While that largely makes sense, I'd argue that it's not quite that cut-and-dried with regards to how Natani really feels. It's seemed to me like she's largely just "gone along" with being a guy because it's convenient and had no real reason to deal with it. She seems to (at least) be curious in her femininity. And that's all before even getting into the fact that she was essentially brainwashed into a male mindset because magic soul-sharing...

Tevin Escobar

I'm only slightly upset that Natani is covering those big furry wolf balloons of hers.

Glenn Sellers

She's cutely sexy. She's got the energy of a young wolf and the beginnings of an adult wolf's body.

ProudLoneWolf

I could make my own argument about what Natani is supposed to be...but you know what, it's irrelevant. One scene that still sticks out in my head is Trace wondering if his relationship with Flora, an "animal" is appropriate, and a royally pissed off Keith says "Maybe you should think about who she is, not what she is." That's why he's grown close to Natani. Most of the entire rest of the world would judge Natani, but Keith doesn't need to. He can think "I like you and I like being with you, so I'll accept you whatever you are."

Went Brown

Yeah plus she is more overtly feminine than adult Natani.

AetherSprite224

Is it just me, or does Youngtani's appearance as female (not just in the non-canon sketches, but in the comic itself) confirm that despite being a tomboy + liking to be seen as male because it freed her of discrimination, the original state of Natani's gender-identity at the level of her soul was female? I sure think so. Natani's identification as male seems to be purely because of that part being replaced by Zen's male gender identity. So what we will see, if I'm right, is Natani's original female identity beginning to reassert itself. This arguably began when Keith discovered her secret, and is being further expressed by the reemergence of her pre-fracture self and her newfound independence from Zen. This will lead to character development for Nat, as we see her take to heart Adelaide's message about strength (which Natani probably values over any other physical and emotional trait) and femininity not being mutually exclusive. Also, B E W B S, B R A H

Cha11engerD

Well, not so much covering up as them being non-existent in their mind's eye. They do consider themselves male, after all.

Markvincible

Come on Natani, I’m sure Keith would love it!

DarthKeidran

<b>@Travis Holdaway</b> Thank you for voicing your opinion. I think you worded it quite well. <b>@Eric</b> Oh I know. I wasn't trying to make it "cut-and-dried", so much as indicate that people's perspectives tend to be on a spectrum by giving both extremes of the argument, and somewhere roughly in the middle. Part of the reason I feel I'm in the middle, leaning to the "Female" side is because in public spheres like this, I've lately been focused on avoiding pronouns, and in private, I use the feminine tense more often than not. <b>@Kublai</b> I couldn't agree with you more. People tend to be too focused on what Natani is, and not "Who". Frankly that's part of why I try to avoid pronouns and de-escalate pronoun wars here. They've even made me want to suggest a sketch where Natani smacks two protester's heads together, knocking them out, one holding a sign saying "Natani's male" and another saying "Natani's female" before exclaiming something along the lines of "I'm Natani! Your opinion on what I am doesn't change who I am!"

viiperfang

Hey, as your local transmasc, this comment is violently transphobic. Just because Natani views his past-self as feminine doesn't mean his identity is being warped by Zen's, or that he's going to magically change his mind about his identity, and thinking so, thinking that it'd be /character growth/ is really gross dude.

viiperfang

Especially after ending your message with 'bewbs brah'. Like???

DarthKeidran

OK, come on! Let's not escalate things on <u><i>Every Damn Image</i></u> that features Natani. Throwing around words and claiming someone's transphobic won't change anyone's opinion to match yours. In fact, it will only further polarize them away from your opinion (I know because until I had a handful of transgender co-workers who were willing to talk to me person to person instead of straight up calling me the transphobe I legitimately was at the time, I was entirely anti-LGTB, and kept moving moreso in that direction every time someone attacked me like you are now attacking Aether). Also… There is no such thing as "violent" speech since I can't hurt you physically by calling you a "cisphobe" (regardless of whether or not that's true, I'm using it to make a point, because violence by definition is physical. You can have a meltdown over it if you want, but speech alone is not violence). There is such thing as speech which incites violence, which has always been illegal because it will cause physical harm to innocents, but absolutely nothing <b>AetherSprite224</b> said that is legitimately violent or will incite such violence (unless you want to consider that Antifa (which, can be legally defined as a terrorist organization) will be violent in reaction to any speech that is not in lockstep with their beliefs). So stop it. You're only making your perceived problem worse by calling everyone things that they aren't.

DarthKeidran

I guess Zen will have to play a game of "Mindsweeper" from now on.

564ugtg54645

And dammit it is a comic fiction!

DarthKeidran

In short… If you want people to accept and eventually share your opinions, DO NOT ATTACK THEM!!! Try to engage in civil discussion because more often than not, people will engage in civil conversation if you grant the opportunity. If you really wanted to change Aether's choice of phrasing, or his mentality regarding Natani, you should have gone with the "Crap Sandwich" (complement, complaint, compliment) instead. E.G. something like "I like your creativity… …Here's why what you said is wrong… …Despite our differing opinions, I think we can get along." It won't guarantee someone will accept your viewpoint, but it is about 10,000,000% more likely to than you and Hilda Leyes' current and historical approaches (Again. I consider this last sentence to be fact due to personal experience in the matter of moving from straight up transphobe to being tolerant of LGBT issues).

DarthKeidran

<b>Cha11engerD</b> is correct here in that, well, "the girls" are non-existent in this image. Natani's not female in the majority of mindscape scenarios, although was stuck in that form in mindscape when unconscious because of the insecurity of being severed suddenly from zen. Once Youngtani spoke to Natani, some of those insecurities were resolved, allowing Natani to appear masculine in mindscape again, in addition to the ability to wake up. I personally consider the mindscape to be kind of like a dreamscape, or the matrix, where you are ultimately able to control anything, including, potentially, your form. Effectively, I feel that if Zen ever had the desire to, he could appear female in mindscape, and similarly, if Natani wanted to appear in mindscape as a dragon or some other creature, that would be a potential possibility.

DarthKeidran

Also, <b>Ordithus</b> has a good point below.

Remmus

As someone who enjoy ladies in lingerie I approve of youngnani idea.

Spartan277

No, the comic is not 'violent' or 'transphobic" as Violent means that it needs to be causing violence to something, which it is not, and transphobic by its base word literally means an irrational fear of trans people, which this is not. Stop using buzz words to try and shut down conversation. Also the comment about Nat only seeing herself as a guy due to her brothers mind link..is pretty damn accurate. If you actually read the characters back story you'd realize this instead of trying to project yourself onto this character. Secondly, what you think you are does not make you that thing. You are assigned what gender you are by mother nature when you get formed with either a penis, or a vagina. That is your role in Nature to continue on the species. You are either Born Male or Born Female, and THAT's Fricken it. Nature doesn't care if you think you are another one, Nature doesn't care if you really really want to be. You can't fricken change your gender, which is linked to your body structure as you where born...any more than you can mentaly identify as a rich person with a international company, sit on your ass doing nothing..and make it true. Finally.. Tom has already confirmed in the voting incentive, Natani is A WOMAN! A LADY!

Fox-o guy

You're a fan-fic psychlogist or what? Yooure completely right!

Fox-o guy

Darth.. Have I ever told you how right you always are? Oh wait! I did! So I say it again: You are sooo right about it. Also! Are you a fast-writer or you just put a big amount of effort into your comment stories/explanations

Tevin Escobar

I guess I can see that side, but we all know they are there, and she can’t escape reality. Let them flow free dammit. Give Natani, give in! Also, I absolutely love her younger self. So troll-y.

Tevin Escobar

Not trying to draw this out as a longer argument but I laughed at “violently transphobic.”

Natani Wolf (Sykez Wolf)

Joshua Stewart, Kinda disrespectful opinion. And about "Tom has already confirmed...". When? I'd like to see that voting incentive.

Kiwi

http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/932/ I'ma just pop this in here, it's confirmed in the comic Natani always liked being viewed as male. He just remembered things wrong because Zen viewed it as doing so out of necessity/desperation and his memories filled in the blanks for Natani. you can literally find this all on the wiki and the wiki does a pretty good job of respecting Natani's character as how HE views himself than some of y'all are doing. Ntm just respecting trans people in general like holy shit joshua stewart.

steelabjur

DarthKeidran and Joshua, in An-Elric-Brother's use of the word Violent is in the "to a very great degree; intensely." sense, not the "physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something" sense. For example, "I found myself violently disagreeing with him". https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/violently

Dean Draxon

hey, maybe stop being transphobic? Natani is a male, and if he wants to cover his boobs, he will.

Dean Draxon

As a trans man, every time I see someone call Natani a “she” and sexualize HIS female body, I die a little inside.

Tevin Escobar

That isn't transphobic. That's the truth. Natani is a female, has boobs and a vagina, as other females do. The only reason she has gender dysphoria is because of a mental incident with her brother, who is a guy. If you want to be dulusional, keep it to yourself. No point in arguing against facts and I'm not trying to be toxic, but the stuff people like you try to cram down people's throats is absurd.

steelabjur

I'm a cis man, but yeah, I find it troublesome as well.

Rain

Wow no. Natani is trans, and is male. No matter what his parts are, or what his past is. Even Youngtani brought that up when they chatted, saying before Natani and his brother had that situation Natani has -always- had feelings about his gender identity. Also, even -if- Natani decided to be trans only after experiencing trauma, that does not invalidate his gender identity. Even if Natani decides to wear lingerie for Keith and leaves his binder off, that -still- doesn't invalidate his gender identity. And you are fetishizing him which is pretty disturbing honestly.

DarthKeidran

Thank you for voicing your feelings regarding this. I feel that if people just talk, like my coworkers did with me, more people would be more tolerant of each other, and, less apt to do something to spite one another. Keep being strong <b>Tenko Draxon</b>. Whatever you do, promise not to another statistic.

Palea

Kaili, but that in itself *doesn't* mean Nat is trans... I mean, I'm a tomboy, and always wanted to be seen as "one of the boys"/kinda like a boy, without being one, EXACTLY as Natani actually says in the comic. I don't see myself being an actual boy though. So, I dono, I feel this character can be relatable the way you, as the reader, want to see it. It doesn't have to be the same for EVERY one. I have been reading this comic since I was a teen (I'm 29 now) and I've always related to Natani for being a TOMBOY. You can't say "well now they are a trans!" and take them away from being a Tomboy from me, for that's how I've seen Natani for the past 10 years, not a trans because YOU feel that's what they should be.

Palea

Well, see, I've been reading the comic since I was a teen (I'm 29 now). I'm a tomboy, and back in the day, I loved having a character that represented something that I am, since back then, a tomboy was "weird and wrong". I hated everything that had to do with being a women (be only pretty, wear dresses, weak, delicate, can't play with Lego or video games "because I'm a girl".) and I saw a lot of that in Natani. I've also always wanted to be seen as "one of the boys", have always said that I "think like a guy", but never though I should be a boy. So for the past 10 years, Natani has always been a tomboy to me and I would just use the term "them" to speak of Natani because they were so divided. Even in the comic, they don't totally deny their "feminine" side. Youngtani practically says word for word how I think of my self. But, I, am, NOT, trans. If YOU feel Natani is a man, then that's ok too, but thats how YOU relate to them and that's how YOU interpret the story. But don't bash others for what THEY think of them. See this page right here. http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/932/

Dean Draxon

This is EXACTLY what I meant about you being transphobic.

Dean Draxon

“I’m not transphobic” they say, before going and telling me something every single transphobe ever says 😒

Dean Draxon

My problem is that Natani has shown multiple times that he dislikes being referred to as a female. He has made it clear that he identifies as male, and I would just like it if people respected that. It’s not that hard, especially when EVERYONE in canon calls him he/him. :/

Dean Draxon

Even as a trans man, I still don’t completely deny my female past self. Yes, she was there. She lived, and she is a part of me. That doesn’t change that NOW, I am a man. I use he/him pronouns. But I won’t deny past me of her memories and identity.

ProudLoneWolf

((They've even made me want to suggest a sketch where Natani smacks two protester's heads together)) I doubt Tom would want to do that, but that is effing brilliant.

Tevin Escobar

The only reason why the term "transphobe" gets tossed around is because people who can't prove their viewpoint want to shut down any kind of opposition to their statement. Facts prove that what you say isn't true, and when you get called out on it, you get defensive and poorly throw insults at anyone who doesn't agree with you. I am not transphobic, I just know bullshit when I see it. If you want to be a dude or a girl, do it but keep it to yourself. No one else should be forced into playing pretend because it hurts your feelings. If the truth bothers you that much, get off the internet and never touch anything that concerns itself with Biology since that's too much for you.

DarthKeidran

Thank you to those who are calmly expressing their opinions and points of view. Everybody else. Let’s please end this. Arguing and fighting doesn’t win anyone over to your cause.

Joseph Kesselman and Kubyc.Solutions

On the other hand... there's lots of internal evidence that Natani is drifting toward being gender-fluid, while continuing to maintain the male outward persona in order to avoid awkward conversations. It's hard to say at this point whether "he", "she", "they" (may be particularly apt in this case), "xie", or some other pronoun will be the eventual preference. Or a combination of them. By all means respect Natani's preferences; "Absolute is the right of any man to spell his name 'Jones' and have it pronounced 'Smith'." But given that we have an internal view of the character's evolving viewpoint, I don't think folks are being uncaring when they pick the female pronoun; I think it just reflects Natani's own self-questioning.

Palea

But not wanting to be seen as a woman doesn't mean 100% that they want to be a man. It's not the same thing. I've explained this. I just feel at times, Natani seems more gender-fluid/tomboy to me. But that's how they seem to me, after reading this comic for +10 years. Things back then were also different.

Natani Wolf (Sykez Wolf)

Everyone has a part of right. Kinda overwhelming that in every Natani's post, there always has to be someone's argument about it. In my little opinion... It's just Natani, and i respect him who he is, and what he'd chosen to be. I mean here "I still see myself as one of the guys" and "i feel less self-conscious". We just have to wait for the plot in the comic about it. (In my opinion it already has been showen), and fightimg about pronouns is pointless.

Dean Draxon

No, I totally get it! I was using they/them pronouns for Natani for a while as well lol. I just don’t think people should be calling him she/her when he’s made it clear that that’s the one thing he DOESN’T want to be called, y’know?

Dean Draxon

Dude, that is the literal definition of transphobia. You are disrespecting trans people by saying they’re “delusional”.

Dean Draxon

Trans men are men, trans women are women. There are studies proving that the brain can develop one gender and the body the opposite. But you don’t care about that because you see tits and immediately think it’s your right to drool over them. You are a transphobe. Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but it’s the truth.

Torbjörn Larsson

That is what I think - Nat calls himself "he" - and that is not a matter of respect but tolerance. People can have their own idea about what Nat is or isn't, but at the end of the day he should be tolerated for what he is. (But I am sure that if I met him in person I would come to respect him.) By the same token, the idea that we should not sexualize his female body is to be intolerant of those who do. You may have your own idea about what others should or should not do, but at the end of the day we should be tolerated for what we do (as long as we tolerate others - quid pro quo).

Tevin Escobar

Far-left terminology strikes again. Being disrespectful to a minority while providing the facts about basic biology is unavoidable when when politics are being shoved down my throat. Now again... Trans being in front of a gender, means the opposite and nothing you say will change that. Your chromosomes will never change since you cannot change your gender on a whim, hence the delusion. The individual can feel whatever they so please. This does not make it factual. I also have every right to “drool” over Natani’s boobs if I want to, since y’know, I like women with a figure and even if Natani was a guy, I’d still have every right to appreciate any feature I so please as long as I don’t have anything creepily intentional planned with them and express it as so. (I bet you died a little inside reading that.) Even e621 has that much in their rules. If you want to keep this on, let your heart out, but I wonder about how much you can actually take since apparently, sexualizing boobs kills you on the inside, even if all I wanted to do was see them big she-wolf watermelons.

DarthKeidran

I agree. I am getting so sick of it, I’d almost welcome… Sorry, having a heart attack here… Not seeing another sketch/color art with Natani. While it happens occasionally, it happens insanely rarely with the Clovis ones. And Clovis was a male from the beginning with no femininity whatsoever who got genderbent. He out of all characters I would say counts 100% as an individual who is a male inside a female body. I understand where people are coming from when it comes to any point regarding Natani, but, there have been 3 different points for Natani that all originate in canon, from Tom. Trans-Man came from Natani’s backstory in comic, the character bio, as well as the recent moment in comic with Natani threatening Eric (to name just a few). I actually quite like our self-identified Tomboy, <b>Palea</b>’s point of view, which, like mine, is more in the middle. That point of view being that Natani is a Tomboy, or rather, was originally, especially considering Youngtani’s conversation with the former. Lastly, but not least, The gender-confused female, which can be derived from the description of the comic, that from what I could find had been up for years, the conversation with Youngtani, as well as Tom describing Natani as “she/her” in a few instances on DeviantArt as well as elsewhere. I guess I’m trying to say I’m frustrated that, like you said, and I’ve destroyed multiple keyboards and screen protectors typing (figuratively), fighting about pronouns is pointless. It just leads people to hate each other, and all over a point that may or may not change in canon. We just don’t know, and to watch people attack each other like they do just hurts on the inside. I will respect people for their choice of pronoun, regardless of my personal feelings or stake in the matter, and will never correct people. You use he/him, I avoid them here, but use she/her in most cases in private, however, I respect your choice even though it differs from mine. Tom’s philosophical message within the comic, TOLERANCE (the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.) for crying out loud, is a simple thing that so many people on here across the political spectrum don’t seem to have a grasp on and it really does kill me to see this happen. Sorry about that. My grandfather is in the hospital dying and I guess I went on a rant trying to agree with you, and vent my frustrations with the matter, as well as distract myself from the aforementioned predicament.

DarthKeidran

Actually, if you don’t mind, I’ve legitimately always wondered about the origins and meanings of xie, ze, and the other gender-neutral/neuter pronouns. If you’re willing, I’d actually like to be filled in. If you’d rather not do it here, I can give you my email or discord.

Natani Wolf (Sykez Wolf)

I 100% agree with you DarthKeidran. I may agree that Natani is kinda a tomboy, from one of points of view. I just prefer canon part of TK, so i say He/Him about Natani, becasue it's the way Nat wants in the comic. Btw, I wish good luck to you and your granddad.

Jaye

how could you say that just ignore the people being idiots and enjoy the good art my dude

Jaye

I love this, nice work Tom XD

Dean Draxon

not even gonna bother reading your transphobic bullshit. If you can’t get with the times that’s your problem.

Dean Draxon

You’re transphobic. End of story. Goodbye.

Tevin Escobar

You're saying that as if you actually had something to come back at me with. Good luck in the real world dude.

DarthKeidran

Tom might not… But I will. I just need to figure out how I want it to be… Perhaps have them as debaters instead of protesters, have a bit of a presidential election vibe to the debate stage. I am an independent voter, so I guess in that context I'd practically be saying "Natani 2020!" x'D³

ProudLoneWolf

Oh! I've got it. *Keith and Natani wandering a comic con and looking through a door at a panel* Natani: "What's going on in here?" *Keith reads the sign for them and winces* "They're um...debating whether you're really...male or female." Natani: "Oh HELL no! That's MY business!" *powers up a mana crystal* "Stand back, I'm casting NUKE!" Keith: "Woah, wait! We could go back to the room and have some white wolf wine..." Natani: "STAND BACK!" Keith: *ultimate Oh no face*

Argonwolf

I generally refer to characters by their sex to just avoid the nonsense. So if I say "he" I'm not saying male gender, I'm saying that person has the biological capacity to produce sperm instead of eggs.

AetherSprite224

Whew, lad, I forgot I made this comment. Nothing says love and tolerance like "Your opinion on this fictional character in this magical world whose gender confusion has no analogue to gender confusion in our real world makes you literally V I O L E N T." How many people has that kind of childish rhetoric ever changed the opinion of, and how many MORE people have had that trick pulled on them and only thought, "You know what? I'm going to double down just to spite you."? smh

Went Brown

Aww Youngtani is so cute.