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[Update Jan 20: the posts that contained (older versions of) the mod have been temporarily locked. I will need to go through them one by one and "sanitize" them. It's probably gonna take me a few days, so please be patient if you can't find the instructions for your favorite game right away. While I'm at it I will also check if the information is still up to date (broken links, workarounds no longer needed, and the such) so that it's not just a horrendous waste of time.]

Many of you have noticed that two of my recent posts disappeared about a week ago. I apologize that I could not comment personally about the fact, because there was an ongoing legal exchange.

Now that the dust has settled, I'm even more sorry to announce that we are leaving behind an adventure that so many of you deeply loved and enjoyed. CD PROJEKT S.A. decided that they would follow in Take-Two Interactive Software's steps and issued a DMCA notice against me for the removal of the Cyberpunk 2077 VR mod.

At least they were a little more open about it, and I could get a reply both from their legal department and from the VP of business development. But in the end it amounted to the same iron-clad corpo logic: every little action that a company takes is in the name of money, but everything that modders do must be absolutely for free.

As usual they stretch the concept of "derivative work" until it's paper-thin, as though a system that allows visualizing 40+ games in fully immersive 3D VR was somehow built making use of their intellectual property. And as usual they give absolutely zero f***s about how playing their game in VR made people happy, and they cannot just be grateful about the extra copies of the title they sold because of that—without ever having to pour money into producing an official conversion (no, they're not planning to release their own VR port, in case you were wondering).

The bottom line is all that matters, and gamers be damned.

Am I a little bitter about all of this? Yeah, you bet I am. Especially in the same week when Meta pulls the plug on three major VR studios. Especially after four years during which I (together with other modders) spent so much time keeping our mods alive in spite of CDPR's constant breaking updates. Especially when they never even knew or cared during all this time that the VR conversion was there, and are only knee-jerk reacting now because somebody reported to them that it existed and it was not free.

What really irks me is the duplicity with which the corpo mind thinks and reacts.

—"Are you considering an official VR port of your game?"
—"HAHAHA, you must be delusional, why would we spend our precious money building something only because gamers yearn for it, when there's no clear return on investment".

—"Are you allowing developers to be at least supported financially while they do the work you refuse to do?"
—"ABSOLUTELY NOT, we are okay with it if they give all their time and expertise for free, but it's downright shameful for them to ask for money".

Anyway. Dear Cyberpunk 2077: I've got one less problem without ya.

I'll republish here the content of the posts that were taken down, edited to keep the true money-makers and their lawyers happy. An amended mod release will follow later in the day.

But stay tuned!!! Despite everything, I really want to end this on a positive note, so I'll jump the gun and just release today the new conversion I have been working on, without going through the ordinary testing cycle. Maybe it will be a little rough around the edges, but we'll take care of that, as we always do ;-)

What game am I talking about? Well,

Gimme a B...

Gimme a G...

Gimme a 3!

Baldur's Gate 3!!!

See ya later []-D

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[Original posted contents follow, edited to account for CDPR's DMCA notice]

Release 26.3.0 of the R.E.A.L. VR mod, attached below, [There will be a new release soon with CP2077 support removed, which] aims to fix a few long-standing problems that in various degrees have affected some of you when playing our VR conversions.

As you know, my goal has always been to allow us to experience all those beautiful virtual worlds "from the inside", but with a focus on preserving the original gameplay flow and making it possible to do a full playthrough in VR.

Sometimes a game lends itself to the conversion smoothly, with a uniformity of behavior that makes modding it a pleasant journey (in other words, "if the tutorial level works, the whole game works"). But most of the time there are dozens of quirks and corner cases that require special attention and demand much longer hours to fix, test, fix again.

Here are a few of those cases. You can expect more to come in the following months. Very special thanks to Brandon and to all of you who tested early access mods and wrote detailed bug reports; this kind of iterative, continuous improvement would be impossible without your help.

Days Gone: the fix I published for the twitchy "aiming with throwables" camera, while working perfectly for most people (including us during testing) still seemed to be only partially effective for some others. I have investigated further, and made more profound changes that should insure a smooth behavior when the throwables arc is displayed, no matter what version of the game you're using (Classic or Remastered) and even in cases when your frame rate is too low and irregular. Feedback always welcome!

Cyberpunk 2077: since official update 2.0, where vehicle combat was first introduced to the game, the VR mod has allowed you to shoot accurately from inside your vehicle. Actually, the precision and speed achievable with gaze-based aiming in VR was way higher than what you could get with gamepad alone, as happens with all our conversions. However, the animation of your character's arm and gun didn't follow the crosshair, which for some of you was a little immersion-breaking. I rewrote the in-vehicle shooting code from scratch, and now the animation should be correct at all times, making for a fun and seamless experience.
[The previous v24.2.0 R.E.A.L. VR release] also improves Photo Mode for Cyberpunk 2077. The camera is now completely decoupled when Photo Mode is active, which means that you can freely look around without disturbing the shot, but the position of the grid (which can be rotated independently with your KB/M or gamepad) will determine the actual framing of the screenshot.
So long, and thanks for all the fish :'-(

Elden Ring: I didn't change anything with this one, but Brandon put in the time to test the Reforged mod (a free, extensive overhaul of the game) and it seems to be working flawlessly! So if you needed an excuse to start a new playthrough of the game in virtual reality, there you have it []-D
Additional instructions from Brandon: to get the overhaul working in VR, after installing the mod, rename RealVR64.dll in the ELDEN RING\Game folder to dxgi.dll. Then you'll be able to start the game from the Reforged launch options. You will need to create a new character and go through the tutorial section, which was redone to teach Reforged mechanics.

Far Cry 5, Far Cry New Dawn, Far Cry 6: these three games offer co-op multiplayer, which has always been a sore point in VR because the multiplayer mode has just enough differences in the character rotation code that playing co-op in VR was basically impossible. With this release of R.E.A.L., all important issues should be sorted out: your view will no longer randomly become headlocked after loading a level or fast traveling, and the map in Far Cry 6 multiplayer will work as expected and no longer be all black. There might still be some jank when using the Ubisoft overlay (the chat for instance has a tendency to become headlocked and too big), but that can be worked around by temporarily switching to the 2D virtual screen. Chatting while playing co-op in VR is best done via mics anyway instead of textual input.

Comments

Avaruuskettu

I will never buy anything from CDPR again. Period. Anyone have a clue where I could find the latest removed version of the mod? … never mind, I don’t feel like playing the game anymore. FUCK CDPR!!

RaReLambo21

Bruh, this was my preferred way to play

RaReLambo21

Well as long as I don't update I should be ok right. But dam that is really unfortunate.

Heart

Are they fucking for real. It really shows how detached from reality they are when it comes to this shit.

Adam Munoz

Damn, damn, damn. Well, I hate that this happened. I and I’m sure all of us appreciate what you did with Cyberpunk and all the other incredible mods. I’m with you 100%, you drove sales towards CDPR, not took from. And here I was replaying Cyberpunk again as an anniversary celebration of getting my gaming PC because Cyberpunk 2077 was the first game I played modded in VR. Thanks again Luke, I’m with you and Brandon until the end.

WhoWhoo

Was not expecting this before bed. Fuck.

Benjamin Dowswell

Frustrating. I am one of those people that only play games in VR and would never play or purchase a game flat. CDPR would not have sold me the copy of the game without your mod. I can't be the only one out there either!

bpatchesnet

I would have thought of any studio doing this, but NOT CDPR. I don't want to believe it. I am glad I have saved the latest working mod and the latest state of the game CP2077 as offline installer in wise foresight. There souldn't be coming any important future updates for CP anyway

Adam Munoz

Good callout. Changing my settings now.

Sascha

Keep up the good work Luke 💪🏽 People like you keep VR alive, thank you 🙏🏽

Rac

Wow. What a hot and cold thing. We lost CP77 and we get BG3. I wonder, do they crack down on donations also? Make it free with a link to donate...ah, but that doesn't protect you as a modder. Making a living would be harder, donations are voluntary. Alas, at what strange time did it come. I was planning to make a new VR CP77 run after I finish Hogwarts.. bummer. I am thankfull we still have the rest of the portfolio from you! Keep up the good work!

Cercata

You can release for free the REAL MOD but only with Cyberpunk, it would be good marketing for the patreon ;)

Sepes Owlcat

I understand that making these mods is resource intensive work, but wouldn't it be better to offer the pack for free and ask the money separately? It would broaden the audience and would allow making it available for gta and now cp77 too.

Darren Stoller

That's a real shame for a lot of gamers Luke but not your fault. I support you 100% mate.

Bulsac

Wrote a negative Steam Review and an E-Mail to legal and Support at CDPR This is the only thing we can do.

BriteMinis

Wow, I wasn't interested in playing CP2077 on flat screen and bought it ONLY because your VR mod was available. Corporate suits are idiots.

Andy Lawson

Daaaaaaamn. This was what had just reinvigorated VR for me and I bought the Steam game & DLC only because of your mod! I already owned it all on Xbox too. Will have to see how I can stop any Steam updates to it then, cos without VR it’s junk to me now.

Jeff Miller

Damn CDPR and me for not downloading 26.3.0 before the take down.

Mike PETER

That's shameful. Did they forgot where they were at the launch of the game and how people forgave them. They seem to don't understand that luck can turn and i hope they will get their karma on that. And I really wonder why they are not ok with the fact that you make a mod that will bring players who will never had play this game otherwise (like me). You can do it and made it available on internet for free, but you can't have it on your patreon, while it's not the only game and your patreon is not dedicated to them especially. I will never have imagined that they can be like that. Same on them

Gardan

That's so shitty to hear. I'm sorry for all your work that went into this. This mod doesn't hurt their bottom line at all, how can they not see this? Thanks for all you do, I was lucky to get to enjoy Cyperpunk2077 in VR and it was a great experience. I hope other can enjoy it somehow too in the future.

Tommie Keeston

I’m honestly quite upset about this whole situation. You’ve always done an incredible job, and I genuinely think CDPR should be grateful rather than hostile. Speaking for myself, I bought Cyberpunk mainly because I wanted to experience it in VR thanks to your work—and the PC upgrade came with it. That alone says a lot about the impact you’ve had. Sorry if I ask this and I really don’t want to be indelicate, but despite CDPR’s shameful behavior, Cyberpunk remains one of my favorite games ever—and one of my son’s as well. For that reason, I was wondering whether the latest version of the mod will still be available, where it might be possible to download it, and how things will work going forward. Thank you again for everything you’ve done.

Timothy Tripp

I’m not saying it’s ok, but if you split your mod into 2 mods, where 1 was free (Cyberpunk and GTA) and the rest was paywalled, I will continue to support you here and I’m sure many other patrons will as well. The free mod could even serve as an advertisement to the paid mod.

Thijs van der Caaij

The latest I got was 26.1. Does it still work on the current CP version?

Jeff Miller

Your business model will need some tweaks to avoid this sort of thing in the future. Open sourcing portions (anything game/brand specific) of the R.E.A.L VR source code to github with your Patreon serving as way to get additional quality of life features via subscription. For example, don’t include DLSS features or FOV optimizations in the open-source version.

bpatchesnet

yes. When you have CP in the gog store you can also download the offline drm-free installers of the game, that still work with the mod

Mike PETER

I was thinking the same thing. Games of greedy devs like those ones should be posted in a free site which will be a demo to let people know what Luke is capable of. Let the games of shameful people be at least useful and be use as a way to promote your work.

Marco Sgu

Do someone have the 26.3.0 of the R.E.A.L. VR Mod?

Vasco Quaresma

Well, I was considering buying the DLC for their game if I could play it in VR. Now I will just enjoy whatever other games I can in VR and no longer support this greedy company.

theBMC

Such backwards thinking and a real shame. BG3 sounds amazing!

Ribonizer

Oh for the pete's sakes. The two games I use your mods are GTAV and CP. Thank you corpo overlords. Now need to make sure I hang on to a fucking 200gb install because I can never update it again.

Natasha Owens

Fuck this. Fuck that. Fuck them. Fuck it. Suggested action's every person here or involved with any other mod should take. 1, Email contact.community@cdprojektred.com explaining that in light of their anti community, anti modding, anti consumer BS, I (Your name here) swear to never purchase another CD Project red game until their attitude changes. 2, Go review bomb the fuck out of Cyberpunk. Get all your friends to go do the same. Lets see how they like their reviews going from "Very Positive" down and down.

Joswhe

This really sucks. I was watching Beardo Bengo last night talking about Meta shutting down major VR studios, which is pretty messed up. But while watching it, my thought was: we still have people like Luke Ross and other modders. To me, that’s VR. That’s why I support LR. I genuinely believe modders like him deserve support for the work they do and the experiences they make possible. For me, this was a main reason, this wasn’t a novelty mod. It was one of the best full-length VR experiences available. Mods like Cyberpunk in VR are exactly why people bother.Exactly why we spend money building powerful PCs. Exactly why we stick with VR even when it’s frustrating.

Forsaken43

So does this mean we can't play CP 2077 in VR anymore? What is we have an older version of the mod?

Natasha Owens

You will need to roll back the CP2077 version as well. Don't worry. I am sure that a step by step guide on doing so will be posted (by me if no one else) once this becomes necessary.

Zachary Dickerson

I will never forgive them. That was the ONLY GAME I PLAYED IN VR ANYMORE!!!!! FUCKING GREEEDEEEEDDDEEDDDD

Zachary Dickerson

I DONT PLAY ANYTHING BUT THESE LR MODS! THIS IS 100%, SO FULL OF RAGE FOR THE GREED. This is going to end my hobby. It's such fucking shit.

Forsaken43

I looked and I have 'real mod by LukeRoss v21.5.0. Will that work?

Evgeeso

Totally agree, hope there is a workaround to beat this greedy lawyer

Joswhe

I really know how you feel. I genuinely do. I’m shocked and seriously pissed off as well. If it helps at all, if you already have it modded and working in VR, don’t update Cyberpunk. As long as you stay on the current version, you should still be able to keep playing it in VR. did you download the new LR 26, I didnt.

VRt

Michael Taylor

I only bought Cyberpunk 2077 back in 2022 because I found out about the LR VR mod. I bought the Phantom Liberty DLC because I wanted more Cyberpunk VR. I’ve never played Cyberpunk in flatscreen. This action by CDPR sucks.

Gyula Papp

Dear Luke! Add the mod to cp2077 for free (release one that only includes it), upload it to some free file sharing site, put a link here, and the problem is solved. I understand that you can't charge for carving this, but for other things, payments will be made anyway. If someone only uses this mod and doesn't pay the monthly fee, then blame yourself.

mrorange

wow. I am sincerely disappointd by CD PROJEKT!

Zachary Dickerson

just find a way to post hidden links or some shit, whoops code leak etc

Gaz252

This is truly disappointing and a huge blow to Luke for which im very sorry for. I have no doubt in my mind that Larian will embrace the new release as they care more for their community.

Forsaken43

I have v21.5.0 will that still work?

PHXRenegade

It is disappointing that this TakeDown on the Cyberpunk VR Mod has happened. It trivialises all the hard work done in creating it and it is a fantastic piece of work. However, perhaps a tiny silver lining is that CDPR may be indeed working on their own full VR conversion, with true hand controls etc. The MOD proves that it's possible and makes an already great game, an absolute grandmaster of immersion.

Paul Biant

Luke should make this mod free and continue to support it as an act of good will toward all of us patrons who truly need it. It is the right thing to do in this case as I am sure many of you will agree. It would be good way to attract more patrons surely, and show what a true gamer Luke is, unlike those CORPO gonks, come Luke step and be the daddy we all need...

Polko Mol

I'm Polish and I apologize for CD PROJECT... They're f#$king w4nkers !!

Michael Taylor

For what it’s worth, here’s what I’ve just emailed to contact.community@cdprojektred.com - “ Dear CDPR, I bought your game (via GOG) in Nov 2022 because I found out about the Luke Ross VR mod. I bought the Phantom Liberty DLC because I wanted more Cyberpunk VR. I have spent several hundred hours in your amazing game, all in VR. The only reason I bought your game is due to the VR mod. Your action in forcing the removal of Cyberpunk from a VR viewer app that works with 40 other games, frankly, sucks. I thought you weren’t the corpos. I was wrong. Yours, M. Taylor (ex-CDPR customer)”

Dugom

Hi, I think you should change strategy. If publishers are giving you trouble, it’s because you announce a patch for a specific game, and therefore you’re making money on their game. I think you should continue with a multi-game software/patch instead. That way, you don’t explicitly name a specific game (just like UEVR does), and then let users (maybe via a forum or Discord) discuss the software/patch compatibility with different games. This way, you’re just making a multi-game tool, and you rely on a kind of “compatibility uncertainty”. It separates you from the publisher. Basically, it’s not your fault if it works with a given game, even if, in reality, it kind of is. I see it like vehicle equipment: there’s the official brand, and then there are compatible third-party brands. For example, car manufacturers can’t forbid “tuning” car radios, which are aftermarket products compatible with their vehicles. It might be worth finding a specialized lawyer to see how to structure all of this legally.

Jay Fullerton

At least we have baldurs gate 3 now. As Luke once said do not wait play these games for we do not know when they might be taken off the list. Quick question tho, by chance will Luke do anything with the Camera in BG3 to give it a first person option?

Elizabeth Unity

Welp. Unfortunately the only reason I was still subbed was for cyberpunk :( sorry Luke. Fuck greedy corpos

Cercata

Instead of TW4 we will play The Blood of Dawnwalker !!!!!!

Nir A

Can u post here their email addresses - preferably of the ceo or managers in there so we can let these idiots know what we think about that move ?

Virtual Samurai

I mean you make plenty of money off the other stuff why not just do this one for free and offer to work with them to make it legit or something idk. Do it for us?

BONeill

That's a shame! I expected there would be a few more takedowns from development studios over time, but I absolutely didn't expect it from CDPR. I agree with the comments here that you should make the latest version of your Cyberpunk 2077 mod available for free as promotion, so your hard work wasn't for nothing. Perhaps through a free tier here on Patreon, and if people want the other games, they will upgrade their membership.

Hoshi82

That sucks. Cyberpunk 2077 was the reason to get this mod way back then when it was added in the very firsts version that supported that game. If they had an issue for not beeing free, maybe just make it's own version that only works with Cyberpunk 2077?

Adam Munoz

Done and done. Thanks for that email address.

Headset-VR

I'm presuming my old version of the mod will still work as long as i don't update Cyberpunk?

casey

annoying. finally bought CP77 over the holidays to play in VR. tried the free VX mod first, but it was not for me. didn't think i'd like this mod with head aiming/controller either, but now i'm over 100hrs in (exclusively VR) and it has been excellent. did not buy the DT DLC hoping to revisit it with motion controls some day ... but now it appears unlikely i'll ever purchase that. Thanks for the mod, i would have never purchased or played otherwise

Carlos Calderon

I feel like CD project has a clear win with this one, those of you that are mad apparently have never read a TOS. In CD project red case, Its like right there, there isnt even any jargon. Glad it existed as long as it did but the path forward is as clear as glass. Abandoning it would be the only way to loose.

Rick Paterson

Fucking corpo bullshit. Now I totally get why Johnny bombed Arasaka Tower. I've been involved in VR since the CV1 days and, early on, the premier VR "experience" was Lone Echo. The crown was then passed to Half Life Alyx, but then something remarkable happened - Alyx was surpassed by a mod: the Luke Ross Cyberpunk mod. This game, with this mod, became the king of VR experiences (in my view of course). New players are now losing the ability to experience Night City in all its 3D verticality glory, which really sucks. There's nothing like it. It sounds like mod version 26.3 was the final one that supported CP2077 so, purely hypothetically, where would one now obtain it...?

Ben

How do you stop Steam from automatically updating Cyperpunk? I don't want any new updates to screw up the final version I have?

Critical

I would have never expected CD Project Red to be the company going hand in hand with take 2. Absolute shame.

Ben

BD3 in VR?? That sounds amazing! I'm assuming it's still overhead view in 3d and not first person...

Joël Querci

Hi Luke and Brandon! I am really sorry of that situation… like most of us I began your mod especially for cyberpunk… so it is really sad… but please, really please, don’t stop making your magic cause, as you said before, numerous AAA vr studios are shutting down and you are a god of VR. You are the reason why VR won’t be dead! I Will support you whatever it takes! But never stop!

Piehole

As someone else here said - just release it for free (if that is allowed). Job is done anyway, so use it to your advantage. Let people taste what you offer and be back for more. The only alternative is Vorpx, but this works like shit.. I spent more time tweaking the settings instead of playing the game, while your mod was just plug and play for me. Show it to people. Don’t put your hard work into the drawer

BONeill

You can't completely stop it, but after the next update, you can select the old versions under Properties -> Betas in Steam. The installed mods should normaly still work after the up- and downgrade.

TJ

I've subscribed since 11.1 and catalogued every copy just in case this happened but my subscription briefly ran out over the holidays. Please give us long-term supporters a way to access the "final version" before it goes into the dust bin.

BONeill

Yes, as long as Cyberpunk remains at version 2.31, the current versions should work. And even then, reverting to older versions is relatively easy, at least on Steam.

Matt

I literally just re-subbed this morning, 35min after the announcement post, hoping to snag the last version before he takes it down :(

DH

This sucks! Your Cyberpunk mod was my gateway into VR. It led me to buy two headsets and a 5090 just to get the best experience possible. I'm resubbing to show my appreciation—thanks for being the reason I started this VR journey!

Ogre Meat

BURN CORPO SHIT!!!

Darren Stoller

Redownloaded game and updates turned off on GOG

theO

Dear LukeRoss, thank you so much for your tenacious efforts that allow vr-enthusiasts like me to enjoy games that are actually worth your precious time. As long as you keep up that great work, I will keep supporting you financially. Yeah it's a pity that there's not going to be any more Cyberpunk support, but let's be honest - it's not the best game in your portfolio, far from it. Cheers!

AaronCLS

sad news, but hey... BG3! Very excite

bpatchesnet

I am very curios how the BG3 mod will be and look like, because you have never made an isometric view game before.

Adam Munoz

Same on all accounts, nearly identical to all the things I’ve done. I will not be updating Cyberpunk anymore and will keep a copy of that LR mod in its own special place.

Rich

Maybe this is bad form but I dont know how else to inquire ... Does anyone have a copy of REAL_mod_by_LukeRoss_v26_3_0.zip you can send me. I do not see anyway to DM any other members ..

Tolino Marco

Please also to me...I missed 26_3

ANPUT

Someone needs to just comeout with a stage name like how poets hide their real names and release all the mods secretley that have been shut down just to buck the system. If i knew how to make these lol i would have secret updates for rdr2 vr anonymously hitting the internet. Like a force they can't stop. Especially when its over greed. They dont care about gamers. Scumbags.

Jace Windu

This is terrible news, the greatest VR game i have ever played is coming to an end :( suffice to say, if a backend way to continue playing it, i will be doing it

Tura Williams

Thank you for this mod. I never minded paying for it, given the list of supported games. I will be sad that there will be no future support for Cyberpunk 2077, but I consider the experience more than worth what I paid you for the access. I will not undermine the personal effort and time you put into the REALmod, and if such a thing were easy to do, it would be available for free in the mod market. You are appreciated, Luke.

Douglas Pettersen

We should have at least got a "wink wink" to download this version now for "reasons". It's so annoying when I was going to download this yesterday and I was like eh I'll do it tomorrow and now I'm kicking myself.

Poor Yurik

Please don't let your years of work on Cyberpunk get destroyed. Many of us did massive PC upgrades at least in part to play the mod. Is there no path to having a parallel repository for a version of the mod that only supports the taken down games, exists outside of the paywall, but allows for donations? Edit: just to clarify -- I'd never ask nor expect you to work for free, but hoping the ongoing subs for all other games help subsidize at least keeping a branch of the mod functional and available, even if no major updates will ever come again. We truly love (and are invested in) the mod and simply want a longterm solution.

Dimitri

If someone wants to send me their copy of this version of the mod. I would like to receive it to. Thank you in advance.

Connor Pinkerman

Same just subscribed yesterday got lazy and said i would install today and this happens lmao

Hoshi82

TW4 will be UE5 so -> UEVR and therefore most likely playable in VR.

Tristan Koehler

I literally built a high end gaming pc just to play Cyberpunk 2077 in vr and I subscribed here yesterday. Please please please release the most recent cyberpunk mod for "free" next to a suggested donation amount. I will not hesitate to pay whatever you're asking. Also i would like to mention that I will stay subscribed here to support what you do but i mainly just had interest in cyberpunk 2077.

Decon

I too please.

sirenspear

Absolutely gutted. I literally spent almost 7k to buy a new PC to play Cyberpunk 2077 VR. Thankfully it's in a nearly flawless, perfect state for VR. I will continue to play it as is. You've done amazing work, sir. Thanks for all your time and effort.

Raven Mujitsu no

I'ld like to get it too... Now where I got my rtx 5090 for this game in VR

Neil

@Luke As CDPR rules say mods must be free, could you make a version of your mod only containing 2077, and share it for free? It would also serve as a very powerful advert for your paid version.

Nir A

wow, that would be a great idea. please... at least consider it.

Nir A

me too. cyberpunk in realvr is THE reason I'm back to gaming and this reentry cost me about 5K usd. Luke Ross is an absolute genius. they should be hiring him to do the job instead of fighting him, the idiots.

Nir A

me too, though I already finished with it after 200+ unbelievable hours. Luke Ross is a MF genius. you can get one of the recent versions that do support it.

Gyula Papp

I need to disable the game's automatic update (in stem, it should only update when I start it) and then launch it strictly with the exe.

Nir A

great idea. if it is drowned unnoticed here because of all the comments post it again and again please.

K[safe]

Both good and bad idea. Some will take it way too far and call them slurs or tell them to kill themselves due to how some people handle certain situations But there are the few who will actually be professional and proudly speak their minds

Nir A

same here. cyberpunk with luke ross was my gateway to VR and back into gaming after 13 years off.

Nir A

they should know what people think of them for doing that sh+t. it should go into the dictionary definition of assholes.

John

Send your email bro mariontwn5@gmail.com

John

Gimme your email I send it to yah mariontwn5@gmail.com

sirenspear

If you get it Rich, can you send me an e-mail at sirenspear@gmail.com Thanks, brother.

dreamking

That's what also came to my mind.. Share only Cyberpunk 2077 mod for free, even a separate distribution. The benefits of it being out there will outweigh the need to continuously support it without being paid.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Steam will make you update the game either way. Easiest solution is to copy and paste the game somewhere else before you update it. Then let Steam update the original version. Then, drop the copy you made into the Steam Games folder where the updated version is and chose to replace it with the copy you made. Steam will treat it as updated still and you will be able to play the game version you made a copy of. You can just keep a copy of the current game folder somewhere and use it to replace the updated version any time there is an update. That seems like the easiest way to go about it for Steam. Only downside is taking up the extra space.

Brett Schmidt

I'm in some ways very surprised they went down that route. It's a real shame because this very game is the reason I'm here and honestly...this last week! I've fallen into the VR blackhole and I'm just amazed by it all and enjoying every minute of the learn curve on the more technical side of things EVEN though I haven't had a chance to try the CB2077 mod out because sadly I can't get it to work past the main menu haha. All in due time I suppose. Now BG3 I'm interested in seeing how well that works out! Ive seen some top down games done, but they're mostly been UIX changes. Keep up all the amazing work you do. Things like this is how stuff advances and gains traction and EVENTUALLY larger companies smell the money and just go down that route. Its a double edge sword so enjoy the journey regardless of how it feels and where it takes us. :D

Chris Wilkinson

So sad. I bought the PC version specifically to play in VR. That originally led me to Luke.

Matt

Just to be clear for this method, do you mean to copy the entire "Cyberpunk 2077" folder, or at least the contents of the folder...? Or do you mean we just have to copy the .exe or something

John OConnell

Have you asked them if you could sell the mod separately and share part of the profits with them? Have you asked them if they'd be interested in integrating your code into theirs so it supports vr natively? I'd pay considerably if it was a separate purchase. Or else please release a free version. I'll keep paying for your patreon - but the only reason I subscribe is for Cyberpunk 2077 VR. And I haven't even had a chance to use it yet - been paying for your patreon to support the vr industry and so when some day I have the time, I can play CP 2077 in vr. Now I can't even get the last version that supports CP 2077 vr that I paid for already via Patreon cause the post was taken down. Stuck with an old version of vr now cause of all of this. On another hand, I'm considering emailing project reds media and telling them I will be boycotting all their games. If it wasn't for your VR mods - there'd be way less interest in CDPRs games, period.

Rich

will do !! so far no one has shared .

Mike PETER

You can disable game update and also choose to install an old version on GOG

Gracewindale Mini Scenery

I've been your subscriber for several months just because of CP2077. I don't have a graphic card that is good enough for VR yet, and was waiting until I can buy 5090 (they aren't available in my country currently), so I paused my subscription until it happens. I subbed now again just to be able to comment! Please don't take it down. If it's at all possible, post it separately for free! We will donate you through the services like buy me a coffee or whatever, and possibly even more people will learn about your work this way.

Przemek R

Hi Luke, I just wanted to say a huge thank you for your incredible work. To be honest, I purchased many titles, including Cyberpunk 2077, specifically because of your VR mods. Without your work, I would have never spent a single cent on these games. It's a shame that CDPR doesn't see this added value. If the 'paywall' is the main issue for their legal department, have you considered releasing the mod for free to satisfy their 'corpo logic', while keeping optional support through PayPal, 'Buy Me a Coffee', or general donations? That way, the mod is technically free, and we can still show our gratitude financially.

manuel

First GTA and now CyberPunk. Thanks Ross, you made the game better.

Brandon(Post Maester)

The main folder with all the game contents in it. So, the obvious downside is taking up a large chunk of your precious storage space somewhere :) I specifically bought a large storage HDD for things like this. I can't keep all these games stored on SSDs :)

Gyula Papp

It probably works if you start the elite launcher or some very small steam game and set it to not update if something is running. You start the mini game, start the cp, but I just tried it, it didn't update for me, the mod ran smoothly with the exe solution

Gyula Papp

It probably works if you start the elite launcher or some very small steam game and set it to not update if something is running. You start the mini game, start the cp, but I just tried it, it didn't update for me, the mod ran smoothly with the exe solution.

Sticky Buttons

Use an alter ego and post it somewhere else under a different name, use a VPN every time with the alter ego. Corpo problems solved, because hey...you did comply yourself....that other guy?....nobody knows who that guy is, can't help ya cd project red

Sticky Buttons

the mod will still work, make copies of the mod folder just in case they shut Luke down completely

Jesse T

What video card do you have? I was able to rock it with a 2080 Super

Tiger Man

When this patreon thing started i remember i've read that your thoughts was to release mods for free after a "while". It's never happened and we all know that getting paid for a mod is against ALL TOS for every game so is just a matter of time and all devs will issue a dmca. You have to decide if you are willing to keep it the way it is right now and risk other takedowns or change it...

D S

I feel like Ive been sucker punched. Imagine how Luke feels

D S

Eat the lawyers!

Jesse T

Ross my man. I wrote a letter to CDPR and explained how I felt about this move. I told them the only reasons I had 1000s of hours in game was because of your VR mod. I also stated I was freezing the game in its current state to preserve your mod. I have been your Patreon for a few yours now. Thank you for all your work and quick updates.

WickedScav

Correct, releasing the CP2077 mod for free would be a smart move. First, the lawyers cannot demand it to be removed anymore and secondly, the CP2077 mod would work as free advertising or for people to test if they are happy with your work and potentially become a paying subscriber...

flobv

It's hearth breaking for us all as a niche community. I hope it will only make him stronger.

justposted

Look on Reddit. You've paid to be here, so I assume/hope Luke doesn't object to you getting the final version. But also, 26.1 is still on the Patreon post from when it was released. So you can just use that. You don't need the 26.3 version.

Alex Leung

This is beyond sad, it tells us that CD projekt’s management doesn’t understand their own game, those corpo rats! But in a more constructive note, I guess 26.3.0 was the golden version, for anyone who did download it, should keep it save and backed up. There’s also a process on steam to roll back to the current version of Cyberpunk 2077 in case it auto updates, we just need to find the specific repo. I wonder if anyone could post the process. I’ve been a subscriber of Luke Ross for a couple of years now, it was really amazing to see how the mod grew. Even though my main reason for subscribing was for Cyberpunk 2077, I will be continuing to subscribe to support Luke’s efforts because I think VR conversion is a preem endeavour. To Luke: hang in there, choom!

Empajadores .

They think this way: I lose money if I invest in VR; VR doesn't pay me to improve their situation; there's someone who makes a little money, although obviously, and there's no conclusive data to prove they're responsible for selling more copies (although a video of Ace Combat 7 with a mod recently modded, followed by news that they've sold over 7 million copies—a 2019 game, coincidence? No, it's the boost from the mod that they didn't even expect). In short, it's the thinking of people totally obsessed with money and greedy, who leave everything to lawyers to scrape together a few coins, without any kind of vision for the future.

Alex Leung

Where did you send the letter to? Could you post the email address so we can all write to them?

Arthur Pelio

That is so fucked up. We need to shame CDPR on every social media site.

Jesse T

To all upset with this move. If you want to freeze Steam from updating the game CXL'ing RealVR mod all you need to do is make the appmanifest_1091500.acf file in steamapps folder "Read Only". this will prevent Steam from updating the game.

Old Gods On New Streets

Luke, put the Cyberpunk VR mod to good use, turn it into a demo of your amazing abilities, let more gamers experience it, keep developing it and turn it into a major win for the gaming community. Paywall the other mods, but keep this one free as a gesture of good will to show that you are the one who actually cares about the gamers, those who paid you all this time. If you decide not to do this and instead just kill it, then it's easy to see who's the real "greedy corp" here.

Gracewindale Mini Scenery

5060 currently. I used to have 2080ti, and it kinda worked, but I couldn't drive - it was so slow and painful that I got a headache. And driving in CP2077 is half of the experience

Ganesh

Lukes VR mod was the ONLY reason i bought CP2077! CDPR shoud pay him for that! Corpo fckrs 🤬

Josh A

Same here

Josh A

Have they even tried the mod??

Old Gods On New Streets

CDPR are not banning the mod, they simply don't want him paywalling it. If he kept it free and donation-based, there wouldn't be any issues, so don't rush to blame CDPR, their ToS are very clear on that.

JackMar

BG3 😳

Brandon(Post Maester)

Ewww, no thank you! I'd need some serious condiments to even consider it.

BONeill

You can't completely stop it, but after the next update, you can select the old versions under Properties -> Betas in Steam. The installed mods should normaly still work after the up- and downgrade. But I also always keep a copy of all game files on my hard drive for safety.

Josh A

They did say they have no plans to ever make Cyberpunk in VR

Sir Athos

Release a free add-on to your mod which adds support for CyberPunk. Then you get to keep publishing the mod, but don't make money off any CDPR products.

Dimitri

That post is deleted.

Maxwell Edison

This is gut-wrenching. I'm not exaggerating whatsoever when I say that Cyberpunk 2077 in VR with R.E.A.L. Mod is easily the most immersive and breathtaking gaming experience I've ever had in my life. It got me through an extremely rough patch of my life, and I've spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours in it throughout the years. To this day, I still marvel at the fact that one man did all of this. It's savant-like work. LukeRoss, I'm pleading with you, man: don't drop support for it. If a free release of the Cyberpunk portion of R.E.A.L. Mod would save it, then please, please let it happen. I'm not sure about the logistics of whether donations are allowed or not in situations like this, but I'm sure a sizable portion of the community would be open to donate in lieu of paying for the mod if given the opportunity. All I know is that if it's a choice between letting a whole new audience people experience your incredible work or deleting it altogether due to lack of profit, then there's no question of which choice is most punk. Power to the people, man. 🤘 Either way, no matter how it turns out, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Cyberpunk VR changed my life, and I'm grateful to you for all the work you put in to let me experience it. Again, thank you.

Sir Athos

> don't rush to blame CDPR I blame the people who reported the mod to CDPR, after which they legally have no choice but to act. All those saying "I'm fine with donation based mods, but not with subs": 1. "Donation" means "not my problem, let others pay" - the percentage of people actually donating is incredibly small; 2. Don't like subs? Pay $10, get the current mod, unsubscribe. Nobody is forcing you to stay. And don't tell me you can't afford $10 but have plenty of resources to play CyberPunk in VR.

Justin Meek

EDIT: Solved. (see replies) Absolutely excellent mindblowing VR-mod work, btw! ------------------- Hello, reaching out hoping to get a bit of support. I was running one of the VR mods, when I tried to hit winkey/alt+f4/ctrl+alt+del... Once I finally got out of the application, my desktop is having strong visual glitches i.e. Lockscreen is Grey, Wallpaper is missing, Windows are outlined yellow, light blue highlights on browser tabs, weird white outlines around things. I have tried a clean install of Nvidia drivers. Also ran DISM + SFC scans with no luck. Is this something that you've had dealt with & resolved before? Any advice would help! Thank you.

aLion

Luke, thanks for putting in the long good fight on this. VR would genuinely be in a worse state without your efforts and the corpo suit action to takedown the 2077 mod is hugely ironic. This stings, but BG3 being the next mod is hugely exciting for me. Can't wait for the next one!!

Gaz252

Press Win + I Go to Accessibility Open Contrast themes Make sure it is set to None Apply, then sign out and back in

ILoveGirlz

This is indeed infuriating. AND extra depressing, since I am spoiled by VR now and cannot enjoy games in flatscreen anymore. So I guess my time with this game I paid for and thoroughly, almost obsessively enjoyed is now over, too. *Mick Manchester, where you at??* Well... Thank you, Luke. Thank you for allowing me to experience Night City in a way I never could in flatscreen. I was at the end of my second playthrough, too - all primed and ready to actually get the Panam/Aldecados ending this time. Never forget, guys: millions have played CP2077 and experienced the game in unsatisfying flatscreen, exactly as intended, but, thanks to Luke, we were THERE.

Bryan

Please consider this Luke. Having it as a free single game fork of your main mod will get you a lot of conversions when they see how amazing the game feels to play in VR and they see the list of games supported by your patreon version 🙏🙏🙏

vintcern

Genuinely devastated by this. Thank you for making it available while it lasted Luke, you gave me my favorite gaming experience ever. And you can add me to the list of people who never would have bought CP2077 without this mod. I was really looking forward to the eventual sequel, but if CDPR hasn’t changed their minds by 2032 or whenever, I won’t be buying it.

HiToro7

Should we try to make a petition altogether to CDPR to stop 🛑 going after Luke - as we are the community? Or is this hopeless 😔

OnairO2

This is tough. In an already tough beginning for the year, I also now lose one of my true pass times (though admittedly not immediately).. Anyway, what else can I say except Thank you for your service Luke. It's been a wild ride. I remember first trying the mod back when I had my 2070 super without any AER. Even back then it was like a dream come true. I remember I would occasionally crank the ppd to like 40 just to get a glimpse of what the game would look like at higher fidelity. It was the best looking slideshow I ever saw. Fast forward and I have an upgraded system now and have played through the game in VR about 25+ times now (on run 26), and i'm playing at smoothly at those same crazy resolutions. I regret taking my sub for granted and not downloading the 26.3 release when I had the chance, but that's life I guess. Have been a bit busy to check back. Again, thanks for all the work you've put into the mod for all these years when nobody else seemed to even try. Thank you for the many VR memories I've had in Night City...and thank you for the many other titles you pour your heart into.

D S

Let's instead all sub up to 20 bucks/month to show support.

Luke

So they gave you the option to make the mod free and you declined? Bit slimy. Appreciate all the work you do but you’re still charging for assets that isn’t yours. Just make the Cyberpunk and GTA mod free. We all still pay for your other mod. Seems like you’re just spitting your dummy out .

Justin Meek

Gaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIFESAVER. \ 0_0 / It fixed instantly at flipping off the contrast theme. I had made it into Accessibility > Color Filters (one notch away from contrast) before making the post, however G-search specifications had me running in circles not able to nail it down to that. Thank you so very much! Sending best of wishes to you!

Disco Dan

Unless a company is working on their own vr implementation, its def an idiotic move. What about the money made from unit sales from people who bought just because it could be played in vr? Absolute cockery! The corporate world has gone bat shit crazy. Like cdpr is missing out on something? Like what? A chance to be aholes? Well cdpr you lost a lot of people's respect with this utter bs move! Greedy jealous pos! C old hearted D elusional P ricks R aping gamers fun.

Rich

send me an email rich887@gmail.com

JA

So the game wont work with the older versions? Gta 5 is still playable with workarounds. This is scaring me about staying in this community. Atleast UEVR is open source makes it alot harder for anyone to go after preydog as its just modifying unrealengine which they all chose to use. Its only really epic that could do anythung but he isnt charging for it so thats were this is coming from. If there isnt a free open source version of any games they make you stop updating I may have to unsub

Luke

Stopped my sub after this fiasco. Spiteful as hell not just releasing it for free when he had the chance. Reddit Mod Edgelord

JA

Go open source and just get donations like preydog. I dont want to be paying 15$ a month plus get halfway through an 80$ game for the mod to just be removed. This is seriously making me consider staying subbed although id donate the same amount if you just went open source so we would have to deal with this... i support preydogs donations and I would you but this is ridiculous. Publishers are all gonan go after you if even cdproject red is who is very fine with mods if they are free...

Disco Dan

Yet here you are, paying him money so you can talk shit about him? Gtfo! You may think his time and effort to provide vr for non vr games is not worth paying for, though I disagree. It is his choice to charge or not and if you don't like it, then you know where the exit door is. He has created a tool that enhances a products capabilities whilst retaining the originals order, generating sales for the products supported and here you are complaining like a spoilt corpo about a measly 10 bucks ever time you want an update to his realvr? What? Should he pay them royalties on top of the extra profit he is making them? You need to stfu!

Sasshi

Well,he has the choice right? To Destroy this beautiful art of mod,or give it for free after how many year it exist already.I think we sadly already know which way it will gonna be.

Gaz252

Your welcome friend glad you got it sorted

David

Add the RDR2 mod to that list too, although I can still play it with version 5.0 of the mod. It would be great to bring it up to the standards of the others. I'd still pay to keep the new games coming and definitely donate to get the RDR2 and GTA5 mods upgraded to the latest AER2 alongside updates to CP2077.

Disco Dan

And why should he release rdr2 & cp2077 for free? For spoilt, entitled, whinging little man syndrome wankers like you who obviously don't deserve the air you breathe? Guess what? The tool is his intellectual property, so it's OK for other companies to exercise their rights just not Luke? How old r u? 5? If you can't see what is really going on here you should read my previous comment and gtfo of this chat. Noone cares for your op and those that do you can join him. We don't need people like you here.

landon richardson

maaannn thats the whole reason i subscribed in the first place

Disco Dan

It's nothing like that. It is a separate application. The tool itself is not illegal to sell, only its implementation into another application is illegal if it alters the original game in any way. If the tool was illegal he would have to stop it in its entirety, which it isn't. So get your facts straight before you waste any more of your precious brain cell. Your analogy is incorrect and falsifies the facts. There has been only two companies that have had a problem with it, for whatever their reasons are, which haven't been properly addressed apart from the usual robot lawyer speech 'dmca takedown'. It's Luke's choice whether he wants to release it for free or not, and if he did how long would it be applicable before a game update ruins it. And if you want to play on older game version, as long as you have an already purchased revision of realvr from when the game was supported, what's the prob? Do you work for free? Do you expect him to continually update his mod and all the games with each update for compatibility for free? Have you ever run a business before? This is his income and work you dolt! It's people like you that are responsible for so many amateur devs rolling up the towel because they have to put up with entitled liilttle prats with inflated egos talkin shit about things they obviously do not understand and wanting shit for free. Oh the entitlement! I'm guessing the only free charity work you've ever done is spunking into a sock.

David

Would this technique work for all games in Steam? Unless there are bug fixes or additional story content, I wouldn't want to update any of my games if it means breaking the mod.

kalioS

Luke, I wanted to send you a message of support. Your work helped me immensely through the grieving of my mother. To me, what you do is true artistic work, and I’m proud to support your Patreon. I am fully satisfied with your work and deeply grateful for what you bring. Stay strong — you’re not alone.

IngenVR

Can I play Cyberpunk 2077 in VR with v26_1_0?

David

Please consider going open source with the CP2077, GTA5 and RDR2 mods and provide links to your preferred donation site. If you updated RDR2 and GTA5 to the latest AER2 version I would absolutely donate what ever you recommend for those mods.

Joswhe

For what it’s worth, I really do think the community should make its voice heard on this. contact.community@cdprojektred.com Ive sent mine. This mod added real value to CDPR. I bought Cyberpunk specifically because of VR, and for me it was one of the best full-length VR experiences available. It’s also hard to ignore how much this turned into pure revenue for CDPR. The amount of VR videos and coverage online acted as free advertising and clearly drove sales. I’m one of many people who wouldn’t have bought the game otherwise.

Jace Windu

"Doing what most people do as a hobby" why don't you do it and release it for free then?

Davidos123

But why dont make it free then?

Disco Dan

It's been wrong many times before with beauracratic bs and all the shenanigans that entails. In many ways the black book is an archaic remnant from the past with many laws that need revision. Your closing statement is farcical at best, a black and white viewpoint of absolutes that holds no relevance to our conversation other than proving again you don't know what you are talking about and just complaining because you can't get free shit.

Pinkhat

... And I was waiting my new pc that I'll get in about two weeks partly for that. Damn.

sirenspear

To be honest, CDPR TOS explicitly says modding is alright as long as you don't profit from it. Luke has it behind a paywall, which counts as profiting, hence the DMCA. This is why people are asking for it to be free.

sirenspear

Yeah, it's fantastic with 26.1 - that said, I'd still like 26.3 as it added some improved features (shooting from cars, etc).

Disco Dan

So you expect him to keep working on it, given the work required each update and release it for free? Do you work at your job for free? Delusional! If he did that, given the amount of times he has to fuck around with cp2077 compatibility every update, he will have time to work on new games? Do you expect when you go to work it's OK to be paid for some work and not others? And don't bring Praydog into it. His uevr app only works on ue titles, where vr is already in the backend. Completely different! You all discounting his work and time and expecting free shit you entitled little morons. Fuck you and everyone else on here being an entitled little bitch. If you want it so bad for free. Go make an app to do it yourself.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Anyone who has downloaded version 26.1 anytime recently still has it :) There is no need to even release it for free right this second. Everyone who paid for it still has access to it. It doesn't just suddenly not work. All we know for now is that is no longer supported here and that any type of future support is uncertain at best.

Disco Dan

Why don't you go make your own free version with YOUR spare time bitch!

Brandon(Post Maester)

If the law was such a simple black and white thing, there wouldn't be so much money spent on trying to interpret it your way 😉 Heck even something "illegal" can be "illegal" to varying degrees. I jay walk all the time. It is illegal where I live. So, I am technically a serial criminal according to the law. I looked it up, If I cross diagonally outside of a crosswalk without authorization, it is illegal here :) Never heard of anyone being stopped for it. Though we should be getting fined. In fact, it is still illegal in a neighboring town to ride an ugly horse down the street! We don't have to respect each other or another person's opinions, but let's not be "disrespectful" about it. Anyone who has bothered to download version 26.1 any time recently has full access to play Cyberpunk in VR. It is not gone yet. It will just no longer be supported from this point on. What Luke chooses to do from there is up to him. But everyone here has had a chance to grab a working version. Nobody was cheated, you paid for a mod framework that allows you to play the games that are supported and you in all likelihood have access to all those games if you downloaded version 26.1 Yes, CDPR is within their legal rights to do what they did. But it still sucks and laws should exist for a legitimate reason. So, the question would be... Exactly what the reasoning is and does the reason actually apply here. This mod existed for years without hurting their IP or influencing a paid mod apocalypse that they seem to fear. That is just my 2 cents. But at this point, I can't see any reason Luke actually owes it to people to immediately release a free version of Cyberpunk. It isn't just magically gone for anyone who downloaded the mod any time recently. No need for name calling and disrespecting people. Let's keep it.... civil :) As a fun exercise, look up laws that are dumb and make no sense in the United States. It's illegal to harass, hunt, or kill Bigfoot (Sasquatch) in certain counties like Skamania. There are quite a few 😂

Brandon(Post Maester)

If you downloaded the most recent version any time recently, you will still be able to use it in all likelihood.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Yup, I get what you are saying. Not sure what he will end up doing down the line. I am just saying that there is no reason for everyone to pressure him to immediately release a free version. It still works! We gots to be calm Disco!

Majed

How do I get 26.3.0 😭? This is what I get for procrastinating

David Eldringhoff

Every single one of us should email cyberpunk corporate asking for our money back and tell them that we only bought the game because of this VR mod

Brian Marshall

Bro, wtf! I haven’t played anything else! Oh well, I guess I can finally try Avatar. I’ve bought damn near every game you’ve announced support for, just couldn’t break free of Night City. Looks like the city broke free of me!

Disco Dan

Insults given where insults deserved. Especially when spreading disinformation and undeserved negativity toward, about the creator (Luke, not God;). This forum is usually modest n honest and we don't need that type of shill behaviour here. It's disrespectful.

Tomo

You must be joking saying such nonsense hours of blood sweat and coffee and you cant spare your $15 for your entertainment ? Unbelievable

sirenspear

They'll promptly respond with a message linking to their TOS that clearly states that *all mods are welcome unless they are behind a paywall*. I've gladly put almost $200 into the pocket of Luke because I love his work, but CDPR was explicitly clear about what is or isn't allowed, and charging money for mods within their ecosystem is against the TOS. If he makes the mod free, he can legally continue to work on the project. I'll continue to be a Patreon because I love these guys, but we should have all seen this coming, and it's not the fault of CDPR despite many jumping the gun and blaming them. We played a dangerous game, and this is the result.

sirenspear

Bryan, with all due respect, you lack the intelligence and competency to even offer a service like this, and because of that, it's safe to assume you have no concept of the scope and time required to produce this kind of product. You are, by every measurable standard, an ungrateful midwit who wants a service provided to them at no cost. I agree, it should be free, but he still deserves money and respect for his time - a donation button is the clear path forward.

sirenspear

Amen. Cyberpunk 2077 VR is what I dreamed gaming would be like when I first player CyberMage: Darklight Awakening in 1995.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Bryan, my dude.... Why are you here? 😋 That is an honest question. If you don't like or respect the man's work, just don't support it. That simple. Like 90% of what you are saying is just your own opinion and it seems like a negative one. Priorities my man.... priorities. Go forth and find other places to be that you actually enjoy. Life is short.

Peter Hantsche

Damn that really sucks. I need to preserve the current working state of the game, cause I never want to play it "flat" again...

Brandon(Post Maester)

Blood, Sweat and Mountain Dew! Occasionally some of that hot chocolate that I put all kinds of stuff in. Now I will have to ask Luke what he drinks. Thanks, Tomo!

Disco Dan

Telling Luke Ross, legally or not, to stop making money off his app is like a tyre company telling a 'snow chains for tyres' company to stop making profit off their tyres. Even though it actually improves the experience/ performability of the original tyre. It's your opinion doosh, arguably a special one full of entitlement, regardless CDPR could have renigged any dmca attempts and maybe applauded LR for his work on something they couldn't give a shit about, and we would never be having this conversation, so whose fault is it really? If you hate LR's work so much then why don't you go cry to Mummy about your poor hurt little feelings about how unfair the world is you can't get free shit! C'mon champ, we all know the hardest you've ever worked at something is spunking in a soggy sock! Would you do it for free shit! Go on defending big corpo, we all know which side you would choose sellout!

Calcanuck

Going the donation route for these games may be the answer! Yes, I would donate for those three games.

Disco Dan

Just because CDPR can do it doesn't mean they should have. Not even a reason other than he makes money off his app which incidentally makes a better CDPR game. Keep defending them. Gud 4 u. I got your point from the very beginning. Seems like you are not listening to my point which is CDPR are petty fucktards. If they weren't then as stated before, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Also if you knew of the potential pitfalls and banning of his app from certain games from the beginning, why keep supporting him? You only act like a baby now when it affects your fav game directly? You knew the risks yet complain when it happens? No accountability, no responsibility of your own choices, proves my previous points about you champion of the corpos. What a piece of work you are. Poor CDPR. I feel so sorry for them perched on their gazillions being violated so badly. Maybe you should write them a letter of your undying commitment to your support of their shitfuckery and they might give you a position of chief ego stroker/ knob gobbla. Luke deserves every penny he gets. At least he contributes to the world in a positive way which I estimate is more than you do with that self centered attitude. Now run along cause I'm not playing with you anymore. Waste of my time trying to convince blind people to see.

Jason Nobilucci

Which Cyberpunk ver was compatible with V26_1_0 so I can LOCK my install down and NEVER update AGAIN

Void3008

Hey Luke and Brandon , you should consider releasing standalone cyberpunk vr mod for free on nexus or GitHub since it can't be here anymore, official release from you would be better than random people spreading it with possible viruses or god knows what

Chris G

So glad I bought it on GOG. 2.31a offline installer backed up.

Skaparadise

This short point of view is why we are here . I completly understand this model of a full time job . There is features you ll never have if not, game who can"t be modded without hard work. A side vr project can take years(5y for 6 dof BOTW) . This is a luck for VR content, and sevral models can co exist.

Skaparadise

You are vocal, accept that some of us don't think like you. And i'm not sure you should be able to leave your work to help ppl identify native australian plant. You make a sophism with this example. And keep your "programming nerd" for you before speaking about ad hominem .

Jace Windu

Except no one gives a fuck about your native australian plants, please gtfo mate

lucia

It's not a big problem for me, Luke. I had to change my name, but I've been with you for a long time now. They blocked RDR2..... (why don't they also block, for example, a certain site that SELLs mods, which are very nice by the way, but which heavily modify the visual appearance of GTAV?)? Screw them, I solved it another way. They don't want you to make money from your work for Cyberpunk? Screw them too... I'll manage another way! Keep it up, Luke, thanks to your work, all the problems in life, when I enter the worlds you've allowed us to explore, magically dissolve!

d1andonlyantman

Worth a go i suppose. I sent them this. "Dear sir/madam, I just wanted to send an email regarding the recent cease and desist given to Luke Ross regarding his CyberPunk2077 VR mod. Respectfully, I struggle to see how his mod hurts your business interests. I, like many others, only play VR games. If it wasn't for Luke's mod I literally would not have purchased your game. Also, I dont mean this in an arrogant way, and its certainly not a challenge, but take2 took the same approach several years ago with Red Dead (another game i only bought for VR), but the game is still playable in VR with an older version of Luke's mod. People always find a way to make it work. I see no reason why CyberPunk would be any different. So it seems to me that all sending Ross the cease and desist achieves is it annoys some of your customer base, costs you potential future sales on this game and any others Luke very well may have modded for VR gamers like me, and the game will still be played in VR anyway. I cant actually see how it benefits your business. I send this as a genuine enquiry about your decision making, not just to moan about it, and any insight would be appreciated. Even better if you reconsider and realise that Luke isnt hinder your business, he's helping it. Ive literally got a list of games that Lukes mod works on, and I will likely end up purchasing a lot of them. Kind regards"

Roguer62

I was thinking this as well. Have one freebie that potential followers could try, with a high profile game like CP77. It gets around the hostile greedy corp issue, satisfies your client-base. Plus you've already done most of the work anyway. Just a thought.

Void3008

he is risking too much attetion from bigger less forgiving companies like sony , jis whole patreon is at risk here not just one game

d1andonlyantman

Their main site has different contact email addresses. I sent it to the business and the community ones

Chris G

The amount of smarts and effort needed to make these mods is insane. I can't imagine 'hobby' time being enough to do this. Producing these mods has to have an impact on the time available for other employment. It is disappointing that CDPR can't see the benefit this mod provides and negotiate an alternate license.

Adjutant Reflex

This sucks. I only got Cyberpunk on PC explicitly for VR.

EmpressEris

Welp... only reason I was here was for CP77. I don't play any of those other games. So farewell chooms. I can't justify paying anymore, especially since I'm unemployed.

Ryan Thompson

The only reason I bought the game is Luke's own mod.

Joswhe

totally agreed in what you had to say mate, fair play!

Joswhe

I’ve just been reading the CD Projekt Red forum where someone posted their rules, and honestly it really pissed me off. The idea that if you’re a fan and you make a mod, your time and skill should automatically be free is complete bullshit. That’s not how the real world works. You can care about something and still deserve to be paid for creating something of value. Pretending otherwise is just disconnected from reality. These kinds of rules don’t protect VR. They shrink it. They push creators out, kill momentum, and reduce the number of ways people can experience games. That doesn’t help players, it doesn’t help the medium, and it sure as hell doesn’t help VR grow. That’s why this whole thing feels wrong. some projects operate at a scale closer to full product development than a hobby tweak, and clearly deliver real value to players. From a player’s perspective, losing something valuable with no alternative offered still feels wrong. And VR is a different case altogether. Add-ons are optional. VR isn’t. Without the VR mod, there is no way to experience the game in VR at all.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Thanks for the support. Hopefully you find some other VR experiences to enjoy :)

Brandon(Post Maester)

Yes, I believe there are still paid mods for GTA V as well as well as Cyberpunk.

Philip H

same would donate too

Philip H

just emailed boss thank you!

Maxwell Edison

Just for now though, right? If/when any new content and/or fixes get added, we'll have to choose between getting to play it or staying in VR, and that's a rough decision to have to make. Stuff like the Pocket Radio and the metro were added in updates like that, not to mention CrystalCoat. Luke also mentioned he's gonna revoke access to it soon, right? It's really, really disheartening.

Zarif Hasan

Hi! If I wanted the 26.3 cyberpunk mod how would I be able to privately reach out you?

EmpressEris

I'll be sure to keep an eye on future releases, but I don't play many games or it doesn't help lol. Getting a DayZ, SWTOR, Sniper Elite: Resistance, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Company of Heros: 3, or a Jedi: Survivor mod would bring me back.

Simplex

"not the fault of CDPR" "their TOS that clearly states that *all mods are welcome unless they are behind a paywall*. Its' their TOS, so it's their fault. They could have had a TOS that does not forbid paid mods, but they deliberately made a different decision, so who else's fault is it?

Disco Dan

I got the last word in na na na na na!

Brandon(Post Maester)

Yeah, that is true. You would be stuck playing it on whatever version works after an update that breaks the mod. But they are supposed to be done with big updates, right? 😃

Riskyshrimp

Been enjoying lukes mods for several months now and it has been worth every penny, I have backed up all my current games to external drive so if they do update I can still play in VR, keep going luke and Brandon, don't let the evil corpos get you down.

Matt

How do we ensure our Steam version of the game doesn't get updated? I read that if you copy your game files to a separate folder, you can paste it over the updated version files and Steam will still think it's updated, and then you just run the game through the .exe? I just was looking for specifics so I get it right...

R3ND3RR0R

OFFER IT FOR FREE, THEN TELL THEM TO EAT SHIT

Dan Wright

I bought cyberpunk on steam just for this why now of all times

Dan Wright

I bought cyberpunk on steam and this patreon just for this vr mod is there any way you can get it back or anything

Dan Wright

can anyone who owns it possibly send it to me?

Sean Daly

No CP2077 Mod ? No Patreon - I suggest you get off patreon - add a donate button somewhere and see how that goes for the next little while . Being stubborn is just going to lose you consumers - I Play VR for 3 things - Elite Dangerous ( Native ) , Star Citizen ( Native ) and CP2077 ( Your Mod ) . Good luck anyway and I appreciate the effort you put into the CP2077 VR Mod .

DQ

Thanks for all the time you put into the CP mod Luke - like many have said the main driver for my continued enjoyment of CP and the catalyst for maxing out on spec. Can I suggest you decouple the mod from the main branch and publish for non-members to access? I personally commit to maintaining my paid subscription on that basis, for as long as the mod is maintained. Hoping this approach can be considered a win-win for all.

DQ

Thanks - I’ve added my tuppence worth (Deekew72)

DQ

OGONS I’d be surprised if that’s the only reason. Would be good to hear from Luke any options being considered to address the situation to the benefit of all parties.

Zarif Hasan

Hi yes that would be very appreciated! Here's my email tempzn44@proton.me

Raven

Same please I just re subscribed thinking the new 27.1 will work but I guess its wont. :(If anyone can help me out please email me if you have 26.3 Ultraraven1@yahoo.com

Raven

How do you never update I dont see that as an option

Raven

Is the 26.1 the only version that will work? The latest one I have is 23.1

Brandon(Post Maester)

Seems like a chunk of the VR community has decided to offer it for free themselves. Have had a few conversations with people about Pirating Lukes work. usually goes the same way. They say it is not pirating, I prove that it certainly is. Then, they just have say they don't care and are fine with it. Interesting logic, right? Luke is at fault for breaking a TOS so they can just pirate it online..... Hypocrisy at its finest.

Andreas Reh

As others mentioned, you could extract the CP2077 mod from the rest and offer it for free, a lot if us would like to donate a fee for every update.

G.P. Rutser

I am signed up on the patreon but I didn't download the latest one :'( I only have 25.1.

Ghanth

Yes, Brandon, that sucks, so don't give this chunk any reason to act this way. Make CP2077 and RDR2 Real VR a separate branch with no paywall. I think this is the smartest move to make at that point. I bet this attitude will be rewarded by gratitude, respect, and continued financial support for your hard work... plus it is likely to help to grow the REAL VR player base and drive new gamers to your Patreon.

Ghanth

Hey Luke, greetings ! I've been a long time patreon member for years just to fund your work on making RDR2 and Cyberpunk2077 a living VR reality. I think I'm not the only one to be that supportive. As it's gaining popularity, big companies will react to it. So, at this point, why not make CP2077 and RDR2 Real VR a separate branch with no paywall ? I think this is the smartest move to make, considering this has been the two main drives to your recognition. I bet this attitude will be rewarded by gratitude, respect, and continued financial support for your past and futur work... plus it is likely to help to grow the REAL VR player base further and drive fresh new gamers to your Patreon.

d1andonlyantman

So they replied to my email, which was decent of them. "Hi Anton,  Thank you for taking the time to reach out and share your thoughts on this. We have issued a DMCA strike for the “Cyberpunk VR” mod created by Luke Ross, as it was available as a paid mod (only accessible to Patreon subscribers). This directly violates our Fan Content Guidelines: we never allow monetization of our IP without our direct permission and/or an agreement in place. We were in touch with Luke last week and informed him that he needs to make it free for everyone (with optional donations) or remove it. We are big fans of mods to our games. Some of the work out there from the community has been nothing short of amazing, including Luke’s mod for Cyberpunk 2077. We’d be happy to see it return as a free release. However, making a profit from our IP, in any form, always requires permission from CD PROJEKT RED. For more information on this, you can find our full Fan Content Guidelines here: www.cdprojektred.com/fan-content. Kind regards, Laura" Kind of hard to be mad about that. Make it free or donation only, then they dont care. Rather than scrapping it, the idea of making the cyberpunk mod a standalone mod thats donation only would no doubt get you more money than just putting it to bed 🤔

Brandon(Post Maester)

It already represents a shared profit for them. You could easily read this as; "We could give him permission, but we don't want to." It is an arbitrary choice that they create and make. They can put whatever they want in their terms of service and then enforce it at their whim. It is just a contract that they make up. TOS's get broken by free mods pretty regularly. Are they going to go after any other paid mods? What about free mods that have advertisements that generate money off their IP? The mod software itself doesn't use their IP at all. It just has the ability to work with their IP. It boils down to; "That is how it is, because that is how we say it is."

David

Hey Luke. Longtime subscriber here and I’ll reiterate what everyone else has said. Cyberpunk should be a separate, free mod with optional donations. I’d like to say the same for RDR2 so we can finally have an updated version. The mod will still be shared and pirated by others. I understand you work incredibly hard to make these mods, but your subscribers will still be here for your other releases (like BG3)

d1andonlyantman

Luke, sort of off topic, but can you clarify how your mod is any different to UEVR, in legal terms? Or is it simply because UEVR is free? Also what law are you breaking if you carried on without their consent?

Brandon(Post Maester)

They haven't proven or necessarily claimed he broke any actual law. it is a violation of the TOS. A violation of a contract that they force on you with some standards that they just chose to dictate themselves. Some things are based on laws, and some things are pretty much; "We don't want you to do this, because we don't want you to." The framework doesn't rely on or include their IP when you download it, it can just be applied to their IP.

d1andonlyantman

Thats the part that i dont quite get either. Lets say someone makes a text editor that is able to view/edit their code. Has the creator committed any offence simply by creating it, wouldn't it be the user that choose to edit their code be the one at fault, if anyone at all? As you can probably tell, im no legal expert, I'm just looking at it logically (i think).

Val Salia

Man; at the very least, CP2077 is almost definitely finished updating, so the last few versions of the REAL mod should work just fine, indefinitely. As someone who's put in about 700 hours of CP2077 in VR, I honestly think that a standalone free CP2077 version would make an excellent "free trial" sort of thing, giving people interested in REAL a taste of what they could get on all the other games it covers. VorpX has done exactly that with their own free CP2077 VR injector, after all!

Brandon(Post Maester)

It is truly fascinating to me. How Luke can be seen as the bad guy for an arbitrary TOS violation, which is not actually breaking a law, but then people use that to justify actually committing full on piracy and redistribution of something they don't have permission to. It blows my mind. Especially in places that are supposed to be against piracy. Basically, labeling Luke as a "bad guy" so they can try to justify their own criminal behavior. Where did all that gamer community outrage at companies not letting us own and play games the way we want go!? "Get used to not owning your games!" "Ok Mr. CEO, that is fine :)" "Now get used to only using mods in the exact way we want you to!" "Ok Mr. CEO, you are totally right"

David

I think there’s a misunderstanding. I don’t see Luke as the bad guy at all, and definitely don’t think you should pirate his mods. I think, in this particular situation, it may actually be beneficial for business to make the Cyberpunk mod free, and clearly, many people agree. The people here exclusively for the Cyberpunk mod are gone anyway, while the rest of us will stay for all of the other games. Get yourself some good press and allow others to see what Luke is capable of by releasing one of the greatest Cyberpunk mods ever, and it brings more people to his Patreon

Brandon(Post Maester)

I wasn't talking about you specifically. That is something that is just happening around the internet and on Discord. I have had a number of instances now where I had to point out blatant piracy and their reasoning is usually something along those lines. It wasn't ok for him to do that, so it is fine for use to do this. One gets you a ban from a game, while the other is just straight theft of IP.

David

Yeah, maybe I shouldn’t have made it sound like “well, you won’t release the mod, so everyone will just pirate it,” and that’s not the argument I’m trying to make, nor should anyone else. Tbh I see the argument from both sides. CDPR created the game, but Luke doesn’t want to work for free, and that’s entirely fair

Brandon(Post Maester)

That should still work. The last fix Luke had to make to the game was in June of Last Year :)

Maxwell Edison

The issue is that he's doing the exact same thing to us right now. He's personally made the decision to revoke access to the game experience that a large portion of us came here to play. He has the option to continue letting us experience it, but decided to revoke that due to lack of profit. I don't agree with CDPR's decision to take issue with paid mods and I find it extremely upsetting, but the sad truth is that we can't just ignore the bits and pieces of the ToS that we don't agree with. Luke knew that what he was doing was against ToS and did it anyway, and given that it hurt literally nobody and gave us the greatest gaming experience I've ever played, I really don't have any issue with that. The issue is that when he was faced with the reality that he'd either have to make the mod public and allow previous fans and supporters (as well as a whole new audience) to play the experience or delete it altogether because he can no longer profit off of it, he chose the latter without hesitation and threw it in the trash, ignoring the pleas and hopes of some of his biggest fans. I've been an avid and vocal supporter of LukeRoss for years now, but this is rough, man.

Brandon(Post Maester)

The mod is not magically gone all of a sudden. The last fix was in June of last year. So, anyone who grabbed a version of Real since that time has a copy that works with CP 2.31 There is no current reason or rush for Luke to have to suddenly release it for free within days after the news. People are just panicking and rushing to conclusions that don't make sense. The reality is that TOS's get ignored or broken very regularly, even by non-paid mods. UEVR users do this and there are plenty of instances of people discussing disabling anti cheat in their channels. Some games require circumventing Anti Cheat to play them, even offline. That is still against the TOS for some of those games. So, what if Epic suddenly decided they didn't like that people seem to encourage this in their channels, and they decided to DMCA the whole thing? That would be understandable to you? I mean it is a stretch from just those games issuing DMCA's but Epic could definitely not like that it violates multiple games TOS's. Luke's framework does not use any of their IP by existing. It can just work in tandem with it.

Landon Treece

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make cyberpunk a free version of the mod, I'd make a monthly tip donation to the mod just to keep playing it, I logged over 350 hours in cyberpunk vr and Its the greatest gaming experience ive ever had, nothing has even come close to the level of realism and immersivness that the mod gives you. It's not worth it to lose out on such an incredible mod, please dont let cyberpunk get taken away.

Justin

Take them to court. Unless you push back its just going to be the corpo line. This is too important because it also will impact upcoming Witcher release. Get the attention of higher ups. The actual game creators will understand. Settle with an agreement in place. Eventually they will see that it is in their financial best interest. Set something up to raise legal funds. I’ll donate.

Justin

Totally. Imagine a home developer building a house and then saying nobody can make modifications unless they do it for free! VR mods are particularly mind blowing on games that the developers have made no effort to support. They have completely abandoned an entire market segment that is small but growing. That might make sense if there were a large financial barrier, but clearly enabling basic VR support is not that expensive.

sirenspear

Just because you don't like speed limits doesn't protect you from the consequences of breaking the law by violating them.

Maxwell Edison

Right, but any future patrons won't get to experience it, and anyone that doesn't have the previous version of the mod anymore for any number of reasons is also boned, yeah? The fact that it's not "magically gone" this instant doesn't change the reality of the situation, and that reality is that the support for one of the best VR experiences available was just terminated because it's no longer generating profit. Like I said in my prior message, I don't agree with the ToS either, and I don't know why you're fashioning a strawman to imply I'd side with Epic Games for some reason? I went out of my way in the message you responded to in order to explain that I don't agree with CDPR's decision here, but it seems like you've elected to ignore it entirely for some reason, and that's somewhat frustrating. We agree on a lot more than you seem to think, man. I think the only thing we disagree on is that you believe Luke is justified to throw an incredible gaming experience in the trash due to its lack of profit generation while I believe it would be more beneficial for all parties involved if it became free and continued to exist.

Datan0de

Well, crap. I just learned about this mod today from a YouTube video that said the CP2020 support hadn't been pulled yet, so I *just* joined and found that it's gone. I don't play any of the other games. $10 bucks wasted. Unsubscribing. But I want to be clear that I will HAPPILY donate another $10 if you release this for free but take donations. I truly hope you do so.

Brandon(Post Maester)

My main point is that there was no need to rush to suddenly make it free. It does suck for new people coming to VR but I don't know that there will be very many of those at this point. You said he is "doing the same thing to us". My point was that "we" still have it. Anyone who has grabbed the last working versions still has it. So, he hasn't taken anything away from us. He didn't even take down version 26.3, Patreon took that down themselves, before he even knew it had happened. I don't think Luke was actually decided on what he was going to do but I think all the hate has probably decided that for him. I still don't know what he will chose to do long term. Now it would probably just look like everyone was able to force him into it. I was also on the side of hopefully making it free down the road, but I honestly don't care if he does anymore at this point. People seem to have decided to immediately overreact and just make it free themselves. I don't know what the best answer is now, but it doesn't seem fair to let a bunch of people shit on you and then you give in and support a free mod for them. Yes, I understand that is not everyone, but again, his supporters already have a working version in all likelihood for now. I think the fact that there is a group of people that will stick by him and support him is probably the only reason he is going to try and continue. A part of me just wants to shut off my PC for a while and go back to nursing full time. My intention wasn't to attack you or anything like that. It was just that violating a TOS is a pretty common thing and even the free software that people offer as an example of "how things should be" can also do this. Again, I am not saying this directed at you, I am just saying it to you as evidence that even free mods could be targeted. It was my perception that although you don't completely agree with it, that the TOS stands and we can't ignore it. But I think we can say that it is arbitrary and unreasonable and nonsensical. I'm not trying to be argumentative or accusatory, and it does sound like we mostly agree. You know when unreasonable things no longer stand? When people band together to question them and show that they are unreasonable :) There is no good reason for CDPR to force Luke to improve their game for free. But I hope they are able to work something out. I'm sorry if I came across sounding accusatory towards you personally, that was never my intent. While I am super thankful for the supportive people in this community, I have been pretty heart broken and frustrated with all the hate and ridiculous accusations. I hope we can be VR bros :)

Ghanth

In case you haven't seen, the moderator on the CDPRed's forum made 2 options to deal with the situation, he wrote: "Now, what can happen to smooth things over is exactly what's happening with this particular situation: The order is for a takedown of the existing product. I've not read anything about punitive actions or compensation being pursued. So, basically, the order is, "Stop!" because, "You're not allowed to charge money for that." Very importantly, there's been no documentation I've seen that would prevent the author from putting it back up for free after the proceedings are concluded or potentially asking for donations for the work they've done. They are simply not permitted to continue selling their technology if they're intending to use it in tandem with an existing, licensed IP. Now, I'm speculating, but I would imagine, especially if it works well and there seems to be a demand for it, that a studio would be willing to go into business with that person. The author will sign a licensing agreement, paying the studio a fee or ongoing royalties to use the IP, and in exchange can freely market their technology -- as should have been done from the beginning."

Void3008

You can just put it on patron no need for other sites , pin it , and done free demo for the real vr project , or leave Patreon and host your own site and servers

MIKE VIDEO

You can’t just keep saying the blame is on them nobody is buying it everyone on the online discourse overwhelmingly agrees you should put it for free with donations especially after many of us have paid months if not years into your patreon. All respect lost.

D Lo

Luke buddy I've been paying you for months and months even though I haven't played vr in this time (which is why im so miffed I dont have the updated version lol). Consider letting CP be the sample to your amazing work. Whatever you decide, seeing BG3 was exciting. It was like losing a close friend and finding another. Sorry everyone's dogging on you for not making it free, we just all love your work and are a bit heartbroken as well.

RaReLambo21

I think the biggest reason why they struck you was due to the pricing structure. I have always thought that 10 a month was outrageous. Which is why I have only done it twice just when I needed to update. I think it is weird that you have to pay the same prices for essentially a software update. I'm all for supporting a creator but the pricing structure just doesn't make sense to me at all. I think that is a big reason why they did this to you. That and because they are not making money from it. There is that angle. But the blame shift is a bit crazy. Just taking it off your platform completely for people who have spent years is crazy. The main reason why I never stayed subscribed. That might sound mean but look where we are. Idk you do you. But if you keep going at this rate, and you lose more and more games, will you lower the price?

RaReLambo21

Let me put it like this. Imagine if every time call of duty updates, you have to spend $60 to continue playing the game.

Chill Blinton

Upon reading more about this case: they gave you a way to keep it alive, and you decided to be a greedy little bish about it so I'm cancelling my patreon subscription to you and giving all your mods to anyone I know for free from now on (also there's places online to find all your mods immediately after release for free, I was choosing to pay you, but now you're being a dickhead so I'll just steal your mods from now on and tell everyone where to find them) you've made 20k a month for years, for modding these games - they're asking you to make ONE OF THEM free - for a game which is largely done updating and would be version locked really gross by CD Project Red, and by you - shows where your priorities are you greedy little proud man.

Pelle Mark

I used to work in the video game industry, making VR games. Started out as a QA member, then tried hard enough (and annoyed enough people:D), so I can start work as a Junior Game Designer. I had my talk with one of the CEO-s that "I know that I am now in this position, but I am with the company for long, give me more money please." He wanted to see some proof that I am able to pull my weight before giving me a raise. Fair enough. So I spoke with my Team Lead, who basicly said "Do whatever you want bro", and I started working. Since I worked as a QA for more than a year, I know our game, I know what was an issue, what was boring and now had the tools to improve on them. So I redesign two levels, made new map and game elements with the limited tools we had, wrote new detailed documents for requested features, while keeping touch with the QA team for constant feedbacks for my changes. During this time we started to work on our game PVP release too, and since I had the most experience with competitive shooters, I kind of took lead several aspect of the PVP mode. 3 months pass, we release a big update, with new trailer. At least half the trailer consist of the stuff I redesigned or invented. So after my probation period I go to the CEO, telling them that since there is this new trailer which showcases my work AND I work as kind of a project lead on the PVP release, I think I proved that I can pull my weight and give me the money. After a little pause, he said "Naaah, we don't think so. Maybe next time." After a year or a little more, I got laid off because there were some company politics and I was loud with my opinions. I was the youngest Game Designer there (everyone was at least 15-20 year older, which is great for experience, but bad for not understanding new trends). I tried to stand my ground telling them, that I am doing a lot of stuff and firing me will backfire on the project on a lot of areas, but they did not listen. After this the original release date was delayed several times, and more employee was fired. The company is half the size when I worked there. What I want to tell you all with this: Fighting the Corpos ain't worth it sadly. They will deny facts just to prove their right, and since they are led by humans(who are usually full of EGO), they will make mistakes. A lot. But they can't take away my achievemnts. This trailer will be on youtube forever, proving that I did my part and I was right. I did something amazing and I enjoyed doing it and other people had the chance to enjoy it too. Luke had a lot of work with these mods, taking down them completly would be a mistake I think, because it would nullify your work, while taking away the chance from the people to enjoy the fruit of your labor. Plenty of people said before me that you should make this mod free, then it would be legal. I think they are right. Who follows you, will still follow you, and your legacy will live under your name and banner, instead of some reddit site, with sketchy download links.

flobv

Dear Luke Ross, I am thankful for all your hard work and full time dedication. Without your contribution to VR modding, PCVR would not be where it is today. I hope you will continue your incredible endeavor and keep the PCVR community alive with your amazing VR mods. No matter how you decide to move forward, I will be a big supporter of your work. Thank you and please keep up the good work.

Chill Blinton

I’ve given Luke like 5x the money that I paid all of CD Projekt Red to play cyberpunk2077 in VR And he thinks he deserves to make more money per customer than the companies that actually make the games…? Look in a mirror brother. You’re being a pig.

Void3008

hey brandon , consider locking the comments and migrate supporters to private discord for support and access for patreons , too many bad people here looking for any excuse to hurt the project , please consider

Wallpu

Hello, I copied the Cyberpunk folder to another SSD (to avoid automatic updates), so logically I should be able to continue playing CP2077 in VR indefinitely ?

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

Just make GTA 5, rdr2 and cyberpuke free. That's the solution. It's fine you choose to charge and want money for your mod. But those devs don't want you charging...make a separate site or page or YouTube with link for GTA 5, rdr2 and cyberskunk. We've supported your work and mod. I thought the game devs were the bullies but they just want you to not charge for mods for their particular games. We both win if you'll release those mods for those particular games free of charge. Jesus loves you !

David

It’s not random people. We are Luke’s paying customers, many of whom have been repeat customers for years, and we are asking him to do something. Yes, he’s getting a lot of shit on Twitter, but those of us here in this comment section are literally begging him to make it free

Brandon(Post Maester)

If it is for Steam, that is not entirely full proof but you should be able to update the game in your Steam folder and then replace with the copy and launch from the exe file. That has worked for me. There are other ways around it if that failed to work but they are a bit more complicated. The fullest proof way would be to grab it on GOG and then use their option of downloading it to a separate location to play offline. Same as RDR2, there will still be ways to get it to work regardless. The GOG route seems like the easiest overall solution long term.

Tony Thomas

He doesn't want to mod to be free under any circumstances. CDPR not only told him he could keep the mod up if it were for free they also had no issue with him taking donations. I get the desire to make money off of your work but the attempt to spin it as a big bad corporation stepping on the little guy is such a disingenuous take. CDPR have clearly been aware of this mod for a long time and didn't make a move until now and clearly stated their reasoning, so this guy has already made a significant amount of money from this mod anyway.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I was under the impression that the game devs were the corporate bullies. I had no idea initially they would be fine if it was released as a free mod. Charge, yes...that's fine. Lukeross has done excellent polished work. But why not release what has already been worked on and completely. Completely free...for cyberpuke, gta 5 and rdr2. Everyone wins and everyone is happy. Jesusavesouls

Brandon(Post Maester)

You can still get GTA 5 on Github. RDR2 is still out there as well. You just have to do extra work to play them. Don't listen to people who say he doesn't want CP to be free. They have zero evidence for this. They are just jumping to conclusions. Of course, he would rather keep things as they are and be able to keep the whole collection intact. But nowhere can they find any evidence of what his decision would be if he couldn't work something out with CDPR and had to remove CP from the collection permanently. I was definitely in the make it free eventually camp. But people gave him no time to do or think about things and just made that decision for him. I still don't know what he will do for sure, but if it was me at this point...... Quite possible that in assuming and making that decision for him, they ultimately made that decision for everyone.

Brandon(Post Maester)

And they give you the battle pass plus all the store items they released. Or you can just keep playing the previous version of the game for free.

Marcin Augustyniak

Many of us bought games due to the release of the VR mod and I don't understand CD projekt decision, company from my country where I live. They have very incompetent management and many key programmers have already left this company."

sirenspear

Make GTA5 / RDR2 / Cyberpunk 2077 free. This entire debacle will end as soon as you do that.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Don't think that is gonna happen :) People are upset, some of them will be supportive, some of them will not. Some people will wait and see what happens before forming conclusions. Some people will jump to their own conclusions that fit however they feel/think. The internet is going to internet :) No stopping that. Thank you though for trying to help :)

Pete

$10 a month is nothing compared to the value in my opinion. I pay more than that for netflix and barely watch TV. A monthly fee means he can work on it full time, and continue to add more and more games. You can think of it in terms of game price if you want, but I think of it as a contribution to support someone working on keeping my VR hobby alive. I appreciate $10 might mean more to some people so I'm not criticising anyone who feels $10 is a lot, but to me it's a no brainer subscription as I get hours a week playtime from it

Nir A

Luke, can you post here some management emails so we can tell them what we think about this ?!

Pete

The previous versions of the mod still work if you downloaded any already. There just won't be updates is all

Richard Pollard

Although I love Luke Ross's mods. Releasing the RDR2, Cyberpunk, and BioShock VR mods would help reset the tone around all of this. VR modding has always been about sharing and accessibility. Keeping finished mods private feeds the idea that fan-made content is being paywalled, which is why press coverage has turned negative. The Cyberpunk DMCA shows legal risk exists either way, so transparency and free release is the safer path. BioShock wasn’t held back by choice, but because of 2K’s position, which most supporters understand. Patreon should continue as support for Luke’s work and skills, not as a gate to withheld mods. A Few free releases would protect his reputation and keep community support positive and sustainable.

Maxwell Edison

This response from you is the first indication I've gotten that Luke was even considering releasing the mod for free. The announcement had no mention of even considering it; it had finality, and even glibly linked a music video to communicate that he had "one less problem" without it. I think that's a big reason why everyone's so upset right now. It felt cold to axe one of the most breathtaking VR experiences in such an unceremonious and remorseless way, y'know? And I definitely don't think people are trying to force him to do anything; we just feel powerless right now, in the exact same way that we do when a corporation does this kind of thing. An experience we love has been removed from some and will never be updated again for those that still have it, and its creator gave zero indication that there'd be any chance of an alternative. With that in mind, can't you see why the reaction has been so intense? We're not trying to be a mob with pitchforks; we just love R.E.A.L. mod and VR as a whole, and we don't want to see such an amazing experience disappear. I think another reason people are so upset is because of the precedent that this all established. The Rockstar games were a tough hit to the community, but I think the reason why things didn't bubble over is because Rockstar has a bad reputation for being litigious when they shouldn't. CDPR on the other hand has had a major comeback and rebranding in the last few years and has fostered a fair amount of good faith. By framing all of the blame onto CDPR and disregarding the inherent risk of the paywalling of his work in his "Another one bites the dust" statement, he left himself open to criticism. The ToS is definitely arbitrary and downright annoying, but it still carries inherent consequences when you break it. Ignoring that reality and shifting all of the blame onto CDPR upset a lot of people based on what I've been seeing from the community both in the comments on here as well as on reddit. Additionally, now that Luke has established the precedent that any conversion he's worked on is potentially on the chopping block, it feels almost risky to get attached to the experiences. Even if some of us still have the prior versions of the mod, some of us won't, and that's rough as hell. People in the community are already reaching out to each other to get their hands on the prior version of the mod before the Cyberpunk support got nuked, and I guarantee most of those people are paying patrons of Luke that feel like they've been given the cold shoulder. All of the aforementioned reasons to get upset combined with Luke's relative radio silence to the grievances of his own community have fostered an environment ripe for conflict. It's a very frustrating and nerve-racking time to be a fan of this mod at the moment. All of that said, it's genuinely great to hear that there's at least a chance for a free release. I think it'd be great for the community as well as getting more eyes on Luke's incredible work. It's kinda heartbreaking to see the community in this state, and I really do believe that the bad will that's been fostered by this recent announcement could be undone with a thoughtful post that contains both an understanding of where we've been coming from as well as a re-release of a build of Cyberpunk for all to enjoy. I look forward to seeing the outcome. P.S.: VR bros it is. I've respected the work you do on this Patreon for years, Brandon. ✌️

Timo Birnschein

this is certainly unfortunate. I wonder if you could just make the mod free instead of scrapping it completely.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I have them working, both. Cyberskunk still works for now. I can't see why if the game devs want the mod to be free...why take it down here but say the game devs ordered a take down. Just charge for the mod but give free separately, a mod for cyberpuke, gta 5 and rdr2.

Timo Birnschein

Completely agree with this. I'm a patreon of NoClip. They publish whether I am or not. Better concept IMHO but both have their merits.

Pete

I'm amazed at the number of people who have sided with the huge corporation over this, as if their only motive for anything isn't profit. They won't give us a VR mode because as a niche, VR gamers aren't profitable so they do not care enough to make that happen. Luke has come along and, at no expense to them, opened up a whole (albeit small) new market to them. And they demand that it has to be free, even though they don't care enough to give us a free VR mode themselves. After replaying CP2077 through the mod, I then went and bought Phantom Liberty, and I've read others bought CP2077 due to the mod, so it's literally made CDPR money. If it's a full time job to add new games and update, then wtf shouldn't he expect to earn a living. I'll bet none of you demanding it should be free would consider working for free yourselves or have released free mods to the community. Everyone expects everything should be free when giving nothing back yourselves.

theBMC

disgusting comment, shame on you.

Gyula Papp

Would this free cp2077 be such a big deal? (I have it and it works), but would it really take days to release a free mod just for cp2077? You would win more than you would lose, but you can see that from the number of unsubscribes.

David Keller

can anyone hook me up with the most recent mod that has support for the removed game? I don't download every mod, only when there's one for a game I want to play. The most recent one I have was from back in October, V24.0

matt

Brilliant- thankyou!

Brandon(Post Maester)

That should still work with the current version of CP. The last fix Luke had to do was back in June.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Luke didn't take it down until like yesterday. He is still in the process of doing that. If you mean the initial posts, that was totally Patreon themselves that did that! They took them down before he even knew what happened.

Kelcey Bill

Why do these guys just keep dumping on VR? What you and other modders have done is the ONLY thing that has kept VR breathing these last few years!

John Dagdelen

I personally would keep supporting LR even if the mods were free.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I'm reading online news that the takedown is only because the vr mod isn't free and the maker of the VR mod won't release it for free. Again...if lukeross will just make a separate free mod available to let people play. Cyber, GTA 5 and rdr2. Stop charging for these games but make the mod available still free. Fine if you want to charge for the mod that covers other games. But to say it's the game developers which are tyrants and treating lawsuits. Rekease for free a separate mod to cover those games. Everyone will be happy and instead of being stubborn. Gamers miss out and the devs are made to look like the enemy.

Clayton Cobbs

That’s what shocks me the most. So much bootlicking for our own IRL Arasaka corpo group. “I know it’s a lot of work, but you should have caved and gave it away for free and kept updating it for us!” Or other modders taking pot shots like there’s some moral high ground. These are the same people that would likely cry about artists not getting paid for their work, but it’s fine to not pay Luke since it’s some legal team bullying him. Really sad to see.

Jamey Stephens

Just wanted to offer my support to Luke with all of the negativity out there. There is so little true AAA VR development happening in the world. The last thing we need to do is to attack the guy that's doing as much as anyone to give us these experiences. I'm sad that CDPR, who I respect a ton as a developer, feels that someone offering to enhance the experience their own game without altering the IP itself doesn't deserve to be paid for their work. The dev's work, when combined with what I paid Luke for, has provided maybe my all time favorite gaming experience. This isn't just a hobby for Luke, it's a livelihood. I can't even say how much I would've played through CP2077 without Luke's work. Luke didn't get a dime from me that should've gone to CDPR. I bought the game and the expansion from CDPR. I could understand if CDPR developed their own VR version, which would've put Luke in direct competition with them. If they're going to make Luke give his hard work away for free, then they should put their money where their mouth is and make their own VR version. They will not be doing so. This seems like such a symbiotic relationship that CDPR is ruining because someone in corporate made a pointless decision. To those telling Luke to just release it for free, I am completely opposed to that. That is a selfish demand from people who only care about themselves and their own experience, rather than the person who poured his time and effort into making this happen for all of us in the first place. Luke deserves to get paid for his work, just like the rest of people who work for a living.

Pete

100% correct. And the irony of CP2077's subject matter is crazy

Jamey Stephens

My sentiments exactly. It boils down to selfish people saying "just release it for free because I want to play it." None of this is out of any care for anyone but themselves. The crazy thing is this isn't even about money, because there isn't a single dollar that Luke got that should've gone to CDPR. The only thing Luke has done for them is make them more money. I know they've sold plenty of copies BECAUSE of this mod.

Pete

Absolutely. We're paying Luke for *his* work on the mod and that doesn't take anything away from CDPR. CDPR has done so much to turn around the game from its initial state. I think that, because of all the updates and new content, people have developed a really positive relationship with the developer in their heads. I think that they forget that the creative team doing the developing are not who actually control CDPR. The suits at the top only care about profiting from us fans - that's all big corporations care about, and underneath everything, CDPR is just another multi billion $ company

flobv

Yeah, release the mod for free... and then who's gonna make VR mods full time ? He will look for a job and then show's over. Happy ?

Brandon(Post Maester)

You can already use the VR mod for GTA V for free, and RDR2. So, would it really solve the issue? Or would Luke be expected to always update and work on them. Any time there was something added to the framework, would people start saying he needed to add it to them and get upset if he didn't? Would we be expected to answer support questions for them? I don't think it as simple as people think it is. I mean if people are just passing the last version that works with Cyberpunk around.... Haven't they already done the work for him? Why should he then update it for them down the road? Please don't think I am trying to be mean or reprimand you harshly. These are just my honest thoughts in response 😉 I know not everyone is doing that, but it is being done right in the open without a care. I do feel very sad for people that will miss out, but you can still play the other ones that were taken down, so I don't know that we can assume that people will have to miss out in the end either. I don't think anything is for sure at the moment. We'll have to see how things play out still.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Already done, is the debacle over? You can get the mod for GTA V an RDR2 for free and have been able to for a long time. People are passing around the framework in its entirety pretty much in the open right now. Are we all good now? Perhaps there are more expectations attached?

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I hope these games didn't get reported from imposters and spies amongst us. Meaning why would big game devs even care ? I thought cyberpunk was drm free...so I guess we don't really own the game. It would be sad if this lukeross mod got reported but its own community. Either by someone who won't pay or upset there's a charge. Sometime the origin of the trouble is within. Well, God sees the heart. Didn't we once have the mafia games too ? If it wasn't for the lukeross mod, I doubt I'd even be into vr still.

Keith Boudreaux

Hello, new here and it is my understanding all downloads have been locked? Anyway to get a copy of the mod for playing Avatar?

Jason Nobilucci

I bought Cyberpunk on GOG, If you have it there too you can download an Offline version by signing into the website it is like 28-30 files split so they can easily be burnt to DVD's, Offline Games I have on steam I can usually Truck steam into Not updating. First Back up the Current game to a safe location Rename it with the Version so you don't forget, I usually have a HDD dedicated to that, after a ne update is relased let the game update launch it once, then Copy the Backed up game into the Library delete the Updated one, and Rename the Old one to the same name that the updated one had, usually Offiline game won't check again unless you tell steam to Validate Files or a new version comes out, Also go into steam settings and tell it to not Automatically Update games, asl steam does let you Opt in to Okder Builds of the game in Beta setting but they only go back so far and if the Publisher deletes the version you need you will need to have your own backup

Steph bonnery Canal Sports

Courage Luke! I'll never buy another game developed or published by CD Projekt again.

Darren Stoller

All well said chaps, I couldn't agree more.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

Read what I wrote. I said, still charge for the mod... obviously I paid if I can post. But offer the ones no longer included for free.Just for those specific games...such as a demo mod. Free for specific...GTA 5, rdr2 and cyberdiaper.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

The devs want to ban the mod because there's a charge. Why don't they also go after those youtubers that make money sharing the video of gameplay ? Those YouTubers are making big money for streaming gameplay of GTA 5, rdr2 and cyberskunk.

Zachary Dickerson

He needs to get an IP lawyer and sue, he will win. Terms of service don't override copy right laws

Michael Taylor

I’ve just read the latest Rock Paper Shotgun article about this https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/cyberpunk-2077-vr-modder-doesnt-rule-out-releasing-it-for-free-after-dmca-claims-there-was-no-negotiation-with-cd-projekt and it mentions LR saying the possibility of a free version of REAL for Cyberpunk might not be popular with those of use who have paid for it. Well, I’ve paid $80 in total in subs for REAL over the last 2.5 years or so, and I’d be more than happy if you released a Cyberpunk-specific version for free. I’d rather have it coming from you (and hopefully pulling a few more subs once people see how good REAL can be) than all the piracy I’m seeing going on.

Probesys

Subscribed for moral support. I hope this unfortunate situation will not deter Luke from doing more VR mods.

flobv

I hope Luke will be able to leave all this behind and continue to keep VR gaming alive. On another note, I am dying to play Assassin's Creed Unity and Syndicate in VR. I hope this will be R.E.A.L. one day.

Andreas Reh

There is another bulletproof "safe" option for Luke's business model: Offer the whole framework of the REAL mod for patreon subscribers and the bridges to the games for free or for donations. The only downside for you, the people are paying only once for the framework.

Brandon(Post Maester)

He also said that he hasn't ruled it out yet. But he brings up the same point I have with the open pirating. If people have taken to openly sharing it on places like YouTube and Discord, it is a bit of a moot point now. Unless people expect him to continually support it for free. But then they will probably expect him to then update and support the other DMCA'd mods for free as well. I don't think it would honestly be as simple as just dropping the last working version of CP on GitHub and then moving on. People have already gone from that idea to further supporting the other ones as well. What if people they try to make a point that some of these other mods have been around for a long time, why can't they go free at some point too? It is designed to be an expanding collection that gains value over time, not loses it. There would probably be a bunch more negative comments when it breaks and Luke chooses not to update it anymore. I think if people would have handled this situation better, he may have been open to the idea of further support with donations for that one, but I don't know that. Because it just accepts the premise that CDPR is totally fine in making him put it up for free while they only benefit financially from it. Remember, they could easily just give him permission. Hasn't hurt them in all the years it has been around. Quite the opposite.

punkross

just tried days gone with latest 27.1 and throwables are still unuseable and getting me killed constantly, is this the version that was supposed to fix this ? please help

Michael Taylor

Oh I’m very much against anyone who has taken to pirating Luke’s code (and from what I’ve read it’s the full package, not just the Cyberpunk profile) and I’m disappointed in the Flatscreen to VR Discord who are apparently completely fine with the open piracy even though it’s against their rules. I’m also disappointed in CDPR for dropping the banhammer, even after Luke contacted them years ago with the possibility of an official release for the mod. Also so many people just think REAL is “the Cyberpunk VR mod” without any idea of what REAL really is. I’ve got plenty of disappointment to go around :D

Brandon(Post Maester)

Can you drop me a link to a RealVR log file? still seems to work fine for me.

Virtual Samurai

I’m curious does CDPR have any rules that prevent people from charging for something that does not contain their ip but does modify the game? If so Dreampunk Reshade would be under a microscope right now as it’s a paid mod. I’m betting Luke wins this one in court if they don’t have a rule for this.

Brandon(Post Maester)

There are still paid mods like that for GTA V as well. They seem to enforce them arbitrarily. TOS and Copyright are not the same thing. They may align but they also don't sometimes. I'm not a lawyer not sure exactly how it all works 100%. I'm sure there are lawyers that don't even know how it works 100% 😉

Void3008

It's getting ridiculous , people are putting it on nexus now , the same people complaining vr is dead are actively trying to kill realvr

Brandon(Post Maester)

Doesn't it just blow your mind! 🤦‍♂️ Do you have a link? Never mind, looks like it was taken down pretty quickly. If you see one still up, drop a link here please.

Void3008

Will do , will report them , keep a look out for any mention of Luke on nexus and try to ban the users themselves

Brandon(Post Maester)

You don't have to spend your time actively doing that :) If you happen to see it again though, just link here.

Bill

Luke, you are obviously smarting about this but CDPR have no choice here. If they allow you to monetize your mod in the way you do they are, by law, implicitly endorsing your mod and become responsible for your mod to work correctly with their work. They accept a legal liability for something they have no control over. This is why they suggested to you to allow people to use the mod for free and accept donations. That way they have no liability for your work. This is not CDPR preventing you from making money by modding the game it is a business having to protect themselves from potential lawsuits.

Void3008

also just an idea consider implementing some anti piracy method like puredark mods to protect future releases

Stephen Gallagher

What’s the legal precedent to this? That’s like if an auto shop modify’s my Tacoma and it explodes then Toyota is liable. Gladly to support Luke Ross. Rather pay 10 bucks for a good mod than free for a lot of crap. Game genie is the perfect example of its legality. This guy is holding VR on his shoulders.

Virtual Samurai

It’s ironic a company who makes a game that stands against the corps to act like a rotten corp 💀 I think it’s funny Luke’s mod works now on the latest version of GTA5 Legacy and red dead 2 without the need to roll back. Has brought me many many hours of enjoyment!!

flobv

Well said. People don't care about time and effort spent into making things. They just want stuff for free.

Bill

It is legal precedent: Liability for Game Developers (The IP Holders) General Non-Liability: If a modder breaks the law by charging for a mod, the creators of the base game are generally not liable for the actions of the modder. Duty to Enforce: Game developers and publishers are responsible for defending their intellectual property (IP). If they allow paywalled mods to exist, it could weaken their copyright claim, so they often take action to enforce their rights. Take the first one, if Luke Ross was a nefarious actor, and I am sure he isn't, then if he inserted malicious code into his mod or, even was a shoddy programmer and designed code that burnt out graphic cards, then by not enforcing the terms as set out by CDPR, CDPR becomes tacitly liable for the damage done. The second means that if they allowed Luke to get away with the infringement because he is a nice guy and they see the value in his mod then how can they defend against anyone else who aren't as nice or produce mods that are bad publicity and damage CDPR's reputation. Luke left them no choice, he refused to allow the mod to become free and monitize it directly therefore CDPR had no choice but to issue the take down notice.

Bill

In addition, about your car analogy. This is not applicable. Garages, as a business, have a duty under law to ensure all repairs are carried out properly so the manufacturer generally isn't liable. Not being a lawyer I would speculate that as the automotive industry has been around for far longer than the games industry the body of law governing the industry is more mature. The gaming industry is far younger so the body of law is not as mature and hasn't been tested in court. However, that does mean that CDPR has to be very risk averse. To be fair to CDPR they explicitly say in the T and Cs where they say: ".... we’d love you to unleash your creativity and make amazing things inspired by our games. That said, we want to keep our games safe and we’d rather not see copies, mutations or other kinds of clones flying around. We’re sure you would not like to see that either, would you? So, our legal team asked us to put in place some ‘Golden Rules’ which apply to all fan content – here they are: No commercial usage. We’d love for your fan content to be created by fans, for fans. Therefore, you cannot do anything with our games for any commercial purpose, unless explicitly permitted otherwise below (e.g. see section 3 about videos and streams). We’re happy for you to accept reasonable donations in connection with your fan content, but you’re not allowed to make people pay for it or have it behind any sort of paywall (e.g. don’t make content only available to paid subscribers)."

Stephen Gallagher

I’m no lawyer, but that sounds like a bunch of BS. 😂

Bill

Okay, but as a Managing Director of a firm I have to be aware of business law as it pertains to companies and as I am in my sixties I have learnt that those that resort to abusive language have already lost the debate.

Evrim

Ohh me too. Assasins Creed Unity is still the best looking game to my opinion.

Max AC

Legally speaking, I don't see how this mod is any different from apps like Dolby Access and DTSx? Those are paid, they take the game's audio output and represent it in "spatial" mode. I don't see them getting sued for using other companies IP. The way I see it, this mod is similar, but uses the game engine's output and represents it in VR. Also, I hate all those social media articles telling not even half the story. Making it look like the mod creators made one mod, for one game and now they just sit around doing nothing, getting rich and they are so greedy that they don't want to give it away for free.

lucia

For GTAV adnr studio....and others...........

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

Lukeross used to have the GTA 5 mod sperate and free. Do that for cyberstink, rdr2, GTA 5 and mafia. That's good and all to have a charge for goods here. I have no problem supporting and paying. But if the big power money hungry game studios only permit free mods...then for them make free. Instead of boycotting with stubbornness. Love your enemies and love your neighbor. Respect their requests. Make free separately and don't include them in the paid version of the mod. Soon GTA 6 will be out and people are gonna want to try it on VR. Make it free...that'll attach others to the paid version..

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

In a fair, honest and not self centered greedy world. Rockstar and cyberpunk studio could and should of offered to pay Lukeross or buy his digital properties. Like the way FB bought oculus from lucky palmer. I believe they want to keep their software dumbed down. Keeping games like GTA 5 and cyberpuke on game consoles solely. So everyone poor enough to play will not feel they need a PC and VR to get into it. Seeing what potential and is possible on a PC...may keep those with limited funds and limited tech knowledge away. Sorry they were threatened by lukeross instead of uplifted and inspired. Just buy his creative digital properties or offer to buy him out. The VR experience is so fluid and comfortable. The game devs of these bigger companies miss it. Rockstar release LA Noir with limited levels but incorporating motion controls. Which isn't needed or necessary and it takes away by adding to many VR elements. We don't need motion controls but just the 6fof tracking.

Q

You are mixing trademark and copyright law. Copyright does not require policing. Tolerating infringement does not weaken copyright. Copyright does not become unenforceable through inaction. "Use it or lose it” logic applies (partially) to trademark, not copyright. Game assets, code, and derivative works are governed by copyright, and courts have been crystal clear that: - a copyright holder may tolerate infringement - may enforce selectively - may change enforcement policy later So no, CDPR didn't have to do that, they chose to do that.

punkross

just sent DG logfile to your email as you requested on previous occasions

ILoveGirlz

Dang. Literally planned on getting the config overhaul file today when I was at work and finally learned it existed, and just as I was about to clock out - ding! email from LukeRoss. So sad. I just wanted the config file! =( See ya in a month, my friend. I have a strong feeling things are gonna blow over and you'll be back to normal in no time.

ILoveGirlz

Agreed 100% on the motion controls. It IS cool to swing a sword in Skyrim and aim guns in Fallout 4 with your actual hands/arms but I think I've found over time that it really just doesn't increase my immersion factor that much in the end, and honestly, after a day of work the last thing I want to do is that. VR with a traditional gamepad is the best.

Justin

The only way to get their attention is to call their bluff and take it to court. Then they will sit down and talk to you and settle and reach in agreement. Especially once they take the time to realize it is in their best financial interests.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

It's ironic the game devs are coming after lukeross. Lukeross just makes the mod to appease to us. I don't think he even is much of a gamer. The gamers and supporters of the games are made to suffer...us,the players. We should personally contact these game devs. Requesting the mod be allowed and we prefer it. Perhaps boycott the game itself.

Simplex

They are coming for him because according to their logic (I don't say I agree with this), he is making profit by exploiting their IP without their consent. It is true, that his software is useless without the games, so from that persppective I can see some merit in their approach.

Simplex

If I were Luke I would have already consulted best lawyers who specialize in that kind of law. And I think you are too optmistic that he would won. Even it he is morally right, these corpos would hire the scummiest lawyers to destroy him, and losing such trial could mean financial ruin for Luke, so I can fully understand why he is not eager to take this to court. Especially an American court.

Simplex

No, no DRM! This is a horrible idea, it will be cracked immediately (like that Starfield DLSS mod) and the mob will have new excuses for hating.

Simplex

I even asked the CDPR bizdev guy about taking down Dreampunk. He ignored me. https://x.com/SimplexPL/status/2013608087307899201 This may be sour grapes, but I think that if Luke's Mod was taken down because it was paid, then ALL CP77 paid mods should be taken down ASAP. Maybe then some people will wake up.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I think an alternative is to offer the mod free but we can still financially contribute with donations. Have the faith, loyal contributions will provide. I'd probably give more than the usual $10.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I heard the mod is ending. I read online lukeross is saying his customers are pirating his app now. Like a big war going on. I don't know what to believe. But I really appreciate lukeross and his work and contributions. Hope he doesn't stop working and releasing excellent VR mods. VR would really suck without lukeross and his work and mod.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Hasn't given up yet. He is taking a pause to see how things shake out for a bit and think things through. The future is uncertain, that is the situation for now.

Tomo

private email share, on locked server, who wants the mod sends him money . done. I privately would pay for bloody Dead Space and Hitman proper mod immidiately and not little - thats just me - if that ever was an option. Behind closed doors. Non Confi signed and good night. I have it, I paid for it. behind me flood can come. :)

S G

nooo. Just bought Avatar today so I could play it with this mod : (

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

Seems like FB, Meta and Mark Zuckerberg are sorta abandoning VR. Instead of more innovating or planning on releasing another meta quest 4 or advanced PC VR unit. They want simpler ar convenient style glasses for young professionals. Even the big game devs are attacking lukeross. Looks like lukeross is getting frustrated and discouraged. Even abandoning his mod here. We'll see what the future has in store for VR. Hopefully not a full dropping or investing in VR and return back to 2d gaming. God has us and Jesus loves you !

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

I played kcd2 last night with the mod. Like bring in 2035 and stepping into the game. I guess game devs want to keep creativity and innovation down. Wanting all monies and all credit. Jealous is lukeross and others get any creative credit for anything to do with their games. I've waited and wanted the just cause games ported to VR. I appreciate lukeross and have no problem paying or donating.

Gamer Couple

can't say i'm surprised by any of this. If it were me, i'd stop focusing on Ubislop trash, I can see them as pulling this kind of stuff at any time. Also their games are shit lately.

SatanSlayerUK

Just heard the news! Sorry that we are all going through this with you. We are here! We are behind you 100% !! We know you're extremely clever! Smart Ass! 🤣 You got this! This thing you got going here has boosted the VR players base! It's also opened up multiple ideas to the future of VR! Im very excited to be a part of the evolution of virtual realitywith you!

Mark Watson

I been supporting this patreon for a while now. But ill be damed if I didnt miss the best one! I really want the Baldurs Gate 3 version. If anyone could kindly email it to me that would be fanfuckintastic. Im not a pirate lol, I been a paid supporter for a while. In addition I have a few old editions of the mod with Cyber Punk still active if someone can trade. Mark02_02@yahoo.com

Haskell

I just became a new member because I wanted to play bg3 with my new glasses. I understand we are just in a specific moment of drama but I am a little bit confused. None of the mods are available? or just the cyberpunk one? Is there any timeline when the rest will be back? Thanks

Brandon(Post Maester)

It should have let you know what was happening in the section you read before joining. Luke is on a pause until February 22nd. Hopefully things will be back up at that point, but he is also figuring things out still. It should have warned you about this and that if you still chose to join it was purely to support Luke without the mods available currently. I can ask about a refund if you want.

Haskell

To be honest, I dont think I have complained myself asking for a refund or something similar. I read the warning and I am aware that there is a complicated situation as I already stated. I am just saying that as a person that it is not familiar with the product the information it is comfusing, I do not want a refund, I just want to play bg3 in VR. It is not clear to me after reading the warnings if it is only cyberpunk what is affected or everything, because I lack information of how the mod is served. Also, it is not clear to me if this is something that in a short period of time I will be able to access to bg3 mod or in a year. Also, it is not clear to me, since not all the games are affected if there is another way to obtain al old version of a non affected game... So, I am just asking for some clarification... if possible

Iris Magee

I just became your Patron again, for $20/month, because fuck CD Projekt S.A. with a sandpaper dildo. I'm glad I still have a copy of your mod before this happened. I love playing Cyberpunk in VR. Hopefully my version still works.... wish I had the newest version. :9 Anyone wanna hook me up? Obv not LukeRoss, that would be illegal.

Iris Magee

Yeah, I would 100% sub to his Patreon or whatever in order to fund his coffee addiction if the mod was free.

Iris Magee

CD Projekt Red is showing me facebook advertisements for Cyberpunk 2077 XR glasses. So now we *really* know why they're axing this mod. Pure greed. They're as bad as the evil corpos they depict in game.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Ok gotcha. It should be back up by Feb. 22nd after the pause. That is the current hope/plan.

Brandon(Post Maester)

You need to enable 6dof in the REAL overlay for that game if you haven't. Otherwise, it is 3dof.

God's love sent Jesus to save us, not judge us.

Where do you have that option for 6dof ? In the PC files of the app or in game lukeross mod up on screen ? I can't get the lukeross mouse cursor to to the of the screen mod either...it will not go up above half. The gamepad won't let me access the Indy second page of the lukeross in game app screen.

Matthew Flegg

any closer to access dude? I have paid and getting zero joy. I feel for ya but gonna have to ask for my coin back if there isnt access to kdc2 soon. I can't even try something else because there is nothing

Brandon(Post Maester)

It is in the REAL overlay, probably the Indy tab. Hold x or square and use the bumper buttons to tab left or right. You can also press ctrl+tab, let go of tab and then use the arrow keys to move the overlay around for M/K. For gamepad, hold x or square and use the left thumb stick to move the overlay around.

Flow Gnosis

my 5070ti is running CPVR almost 3x better then my 4070ti, I didn't think it was going to be that big of an improvement but I'm running 25ppd smoothly

Brandon(Post Maester)

Did you turn HAGS on or anything? 3x the performance seems like way too much of a jump to just be from the GPU 😋 Although the extra VRAM along with being GDDR 7 etc probably helps with stability, same as 5090 over 4090. Glad to hear you are enjoying the upgrade, seems like they are only going to get ridiculously more expensive from here on out 😒

Raven

Ya that does not make any sense, what makes more sense is that the 4070ti is limited to 12GB vs 16GB on the 5070ti. That makes a huge difference when playing modded VR games.

Jason Dunn

That's true, but his mod also spurs additional interest in their games which translates to additional sales of the game. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like a net positive in cash flow for both sides with happier consumers. If there was an existing plan or effort by the devs to add VR to their game then LukeRoss' mod would be competing with that and I would totally understand, and even side with them. But that just doesn't seem to be the case here. On some other forums I've seen negative posts by others who mod games that are critical of LukeRoss for charging because they feel his mods fall into a similar enough category as theirs (like mods on Nexus, for example) that it risks corrupting the nature of providing free mods for the community at large. I get that too, but am not experienced enough with modding on either side to confidently take either side. All I can say is I feel like a VR mod belongs in a different category, LukeRoss seems to put effort into his work comparable to a full-time job, and maybe he wouldn't even be able to do it at all otherwise. Supply and demand. There's definitely plenty of demand for every game he's released a VR mod for. The devs of these games have all had the opportunity to be the supplier and not one of them has tried to fulfill that demand, so just let LukeRoss do it I say.

arnt

Just cause 2 would be absolutely glorious! I never got into jc3 for whatever reason. Just cause 2 I 100% many years ago. So many good memories of that game!

Serj Cool

Чел я только что заплатил тебе 10 евро за то, что бы скачать мод на 2077 ти натыкаюсь на вот это!!! И как мне вернуть деньги теперь !!!

Brandon(Post Maester)

There was a message presented to you before joining about the current situation. I can ask Luke about a refund for you.

Serj Cool

I speak Russian, I should have found out that there is a situation with a violation of rights. If everywhere they say that the creator of the mod is this character. As an honest person, instead of downloading from third-party resources, I decided to support the author, but the author did not have a product. Conclusion Return the funds for the service not provided.

Brandon(Post Maester)

The translate function of current browsers is very helpful. That is how I was able to read your message at the top. Always good to read something that is presented to you before joining. Yes, I know people don't usually make a habit of it because of lengthy things like terms of service, but still always a good idea. I'll contact Luke about a refund, no need for hostility. There is no "rights violation". If anything, it would be a contract violation but that is also debatable.

Serj Cool

I am not a native speaker, I did not see this message. I only knew that this platform was the official source of this mod. But since he is no longer here, I naturally want to get my days back. Ask.

Serj Cool

I do not think that this seemingly obvious decision will be changed in practice. I have a text translation feature in browsers. But I did not expect that when I came to the main source for the product, I would not get it. Therefore, I do not see a problem in the return of funds. I am not a fan of this developer, but I am an honest buyer who, instead of simply downloading his product from a Russian forum, decided to honestly buy it. But since the product was not provided to me, I want a refund.

Cercata

1 month has passed, I wonder if luke has new plans, or he's gonna take another month to think ...

Brandon(Post Maester)

The pause ends the 22nd. So, a month has almost passed. But yeah, should be a post popping up any time.

Cercata

We'll support you whatever you choose !!!!!! It has been a very nice trip, and the impulse that this has given to VR and the VR modding community will stay forever !!!!!

bpatchesnet

Luke has my support. Even when the donations will be voluntarely I will gladly pay and support, because your mods mean a lot to me and I had always great time with them. CP2077 and lots of other games in VR were dreams come true, so I hope you keep going. :-)

Theressa Christian

I want to know where is all the mod up dates where are all the mods updates because I don't even have the latest updates this is getting ridiculous

A G

Me today: "I haven't played Cyberpunk or VR for a while, and there's that Phantom Liberty DLC I never got around to buying. I wonder if I can get the latest Luke Ross mod and play it that way. Oh crap. They killed the mod? I guess I won't bother buying the DLC. I bet Pools will be fun." CD Projekt Red: *Shoots itself in the foot.*

James Hiett

is the cp2077 completely gone?

Brandon(Post Maester)

Yes, unfortunately. They opted for an on-location VR experience instead.

Dos Doktor

Doeeees ETS2 happen to work with RealVR? No worries, I'mma test it anyways :::)))

SencneS

I just recently got a VR Headset, and I was looking forward to playing some games in VR, CP2077 was one of them. So I get why this happened, and I get both sides of the story. CDPR is correct, they have long supported mods and the mod community, but it has to be for free. Unless they give permission. So I don't fault them here for this. As for the MOD, it makes sense why you didn't make it free, it's a one size fits mod for multiple games. If you make it free, it would be free for every game. This not really Luke's fault here as they wanted it as simple as possible for everyone. It's just a shame that the mods that have had DMCA notices can't be separated from the rest of the mods behind the paywall. It would make so much more sense to have each game be it's own little file rather than a one file fits all these games model.

Brandon(Post Maester)

Yeah, it is a needlessly complicated issue because of the power of DMCA. I think part of that decision is based on the fact that Take Two also sent a DMCA notice to Github for the GTA V mod that was always free. Github just didn't chose to take it down while Patreon seems to immediately comply regardless of the situation. They of course have to protect themselves. So having it as a free single file doesn't necessarily stop DMCAs. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the new VR mods popping up get hit with them. It would have made more sense if they had done it years ago. Ya know, like right after Luke emailed them about it 🙃