Home
Creators
Search Recent Random
Posts
Search DMs Popular Hash Lookup Tags Random
Importer
Import FAQ
Register Favorites Keys Review DMs Logout
Community
Telegram ThePornDude
Home Creators Posts Import Register Favorites Logout

Star Trek: The Original Series 103-104 (Patreon)

Published:
2024-07-24 12:00:09
Edited:
2026-01-08 03:08:22
Imported:
2026-06
Tags:

Content

Episodes: Where No Man Has Gone Before & The Naked Time

Go to this site: Cinebingers.ca for the unedited versions of all our content.

👉 https://cinebingers.ca/xUjOOZ2xo3 👈 for the full reaction where you do not need your own copy.

👉 https://cinebingers.ca/k4gwSYTl26 👈for the full reaction where you need your own copy.

If you are on a phone/tablet, hold down the link above and press "open in browser", or go straight to Cinebingers.ca on your browser app.

Files

Comments

Julian Mark

Wow, already? I thought Star Trek is scheduled for Friday. Not that I'm complaining! :)

Cinebinge
>>144517028

yep! it was slated as such but we had extra time and manage to get it recorded earlier than expected sooo its released earlier than expected!

Scott Souza

I heard that they just made up the Star Dates

Zorak

I think it would be good if you had the episode names in either the title or description. Nobody knows the episodes by number, but everyone knows the episodes by title.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

While on the subject in the intro: the false memory phenomenon can go a step further into the concept of Egregore, which is when the collective thoughts of a group manifest into a thought-form entity aligned to their shared perceptions, so it will take on a form of existence. So maybe “Berenstein Bears” could actually exist somewhere out there maybe, lol? Also cool to see this came out earlier than expected and ready to watch :)

Hal451

I don't believe they put much thought into the Star Dates in TOS. However in TNG they are more thought out. According to the wiki: A stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: "41254.7." The first two digits of the stardate are always "41." The 4 stands for 24th century, the 1 indicates first season. The additional three leading digits will progress unevenly during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point is generally regarded as a day counter

djKENTO

the blu-rays were on sale last week so I'm excited to watch along with the best quality version available now. STOKED.

JayF

As to your discussion on when sci-fi became a thing, the original Flash Gordon movie was released in 1936. There could be earlier sci-fi movies but that's the first one that popped into my head.

JayF

True ST:TOS fans will only ever hear the "where no man has gone before" monologue in one voice and it requires watching the movies with the TOS crew to find out what I mean.

Maiki

Exact same "Unlimited pooooweeeer" thought came to mind in that scene :)

PIG

"What do you think the commercial was between this?" "...Flintstones selling cigarettes?" Yabba Dabba D- *cough* *cough* *yak* *cough*

PIG
>>144519102

Interesting! Never knew that. In my mind I thought it was always a measure of the stars movement in the galaxy, a sort of galactic movement that can be measured by any starship as long as it's within the galaxy. You just need to detect the distance and position of any nearby star system to know their time and location relative to the rest of the galaxy. I clearly over thought it, heh.

JoeNotCharles
>>144522597

"A Trip to the Moon" from 1902 - not just one of the first special-effects films, but one of the first films with a plot, and definitely the first to combine the two. Based on a Jules Verne novel.

JoeNotCharles

Talking about what was commonly accepted in sci-fi and what was new in this show: you should watch Forbidden Planet (1956). Leslie Neilsen's in it as a young man! And Star Trek owes a lot to it.

JoeNotCharles
>>144526742

Also, "What's the Outer Limits?" George, you've seen a parody of it. The Treehouse of Horror that starts with Bart saying "There's nothing wrong with your TV. We control the picture" is a parody of the Outer Limits title sequence. It was a copy/ripoff of The Twilight Zone, which I assume you've heard of. That's another notable sci-fi show that came before Star Trek (50's)

Lanny Fisher

The theme song for the intro of TNG was actually composed for “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” (1979). When TNG originally aired, my immediate thought was, “Hey, they stole that from the movie!”.

overdev

big Star Trek fan here, have only seen the first two episodes of TOS a few years ago, so I probably will give it another try and watch it with you two :) started TNG back in 2017, loved it and then also watched DS9 and Voyager personally not a fan of the modern shows

WayneC

According to Wiki, the first Asian lead in US TV was Anna May Wong in the series The Gallery of Madame Liu-Tsong in 1951. Next was George Takei in Stra Trek and Bruce Lee in The Green Hornet in 1966.

Henrik Eriksson

There's some kind of discrepancy between my viewing and your viewings. I need to pause and resume either Netflix or YT several times to keep it in sync. Some scenes seems to be a few seconds shorter or longer. I wonder if it's a difference between the Canadian Netflix and the UK one, or if it's something else.

Tony Johnson

both you and the crew have a costume change between episodes

Raven Dark

George, I point this out because you asked, and not as a criticism. I could be wrong about this, and maybe there is an explanation within the Star Trek lore for it, but I think the alien species being able to breed with humans is just something we're supposed to accept. It's kind of like with vampires in a lot of supernatural or paranormal shows. Vampires shouldn't be able to breathe or have sex, or or eat normal food, but in most vampire versions of lore, they can do most of those things. In many (though not all) the females can get pregnant (by a human and/or another vampire), and the males can impregnate a human and/or a vampire female. It just is. I don't know if it's like that with Vulcans and humans specifically, but I'm pretty sure there are at least some interstellar relations that *just are.* I'm loving these reactions so far, you two. I watched only a small handful of episodes of ST: TOS a long time ago, but I'm enjoying seeing them with you.

Jeffrey Conway

Something you should watch is the original movie from 1951 "The Day the Earth stood Still"

Thomas Yanez

To clarify a bit where George was (self-admitted) confused : the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was the second pilot, and it was aired as-is as the third episode. You can see the differences in uniforms, and even people playing different roles, such as George Takei's Sulu being head of some department, instead of the manning the ship's helm in the rest of the series, or missing regulars like McCoy and Uhura. The original pilot, "The Cage" is the one that hard parts repurposed to make a later two-part episode named "The Menagerie".

Thomas Yanez
>>144536023

It's been a long time since I've been deep into Star Trek lore, so I don't remember if it is "canon" or not, but I know there is noise made later (not sure which shows, or which books) idea of an ancient progenitor species that seeded the oceans of M Class worlds across galaxy with genetic material, thus why we have so many humanoid races and even those that can interbreed.

Graham Bullman

@george, There is a later episode in TNG that explains all the inter-alien, stuff, how it came to pass etc. The only problem may be that you have several hundred episodes to get through before you find out. 😁. Keeping spoilers to myself unless you really want to know.

Prof. Writhms

How DARE you give us extra content EARLY! [grabbing my popcorn] This is an outrage! [getting comfortable] You have a set schedule for a reason! [this is awesome] You Cinebingers really need to get your act together! [thanks, George]

Khan1001
>>144531150

Me too, I think its because they are watching the non-remastered version with the original effects but most of us are watching the Netflix one which is the remastered version which has CGI, the CGI shots can run a few seconds longer sometimes, the remastered version is the superior version in my opinion, I did suggest to G&S to watch the Netflix one last week, its a bit annoying.

Monica Alarcon

Nurse Chapel: I'm in love with you Spock... Those of us who have seen more recent Star Trek series: WE KNOW...

Paul Davey

On the subject of old sci-fi, check out silent German movie "Metropolis" from 1927. Flying cars, the robot that influenced C-3PO, and ironically a warning about dystopian societies.

Tomas Gaspar

in Germany we had a show called Raumpatrouille Orion in 1966. Translated to Space Patrol Orion. It had quite some really inventive efects and was in Black and White at that time.

Odd Thomas

Every time someone said 'Gary' I just think of Team America, lol

JayF

George, the first Chinese-American actor I could recall that had a reoccurring role on a TV show is Victor Sen Yung who was on the Western series Bonanza starting in 1959. Several years after that came Takei on Star Trek and Bruce Lee in The Green Hornet. Both were in 1966.

Odd Thomas

George Melies A Trip to the Moon was 1902! Another early influential sci-fi was Metropolis by Fritz Lang 1927.

Mastervodo

Vulcan Grippy Thing. Oh Simone....

Patrick

Wooo, been waiting for this since last week!

Darin Foat

I thought the medical scanners were picking up some weird signal from Gary, then I realized it was Simone's cat purring against the microphone.

punterjoe

I only wish Viacom/Paramount - once they decided to add 'The Cage' to the available episodes - had the good sense to list it as 'Episode 0' with all the network aired shows starting at Episode 1. .....but that's just me..... Yeah. "Beam me up Scotty" is like "Pley It Again Sam" ....a quote everyone remembers that never actually happened....

Darin Foat

Two science fiction films from the 50's that had a big influence on the look and the overall tone of Star Trek are Forbidden Planet and The Day the Earth Stood Still. A lot of sci fi from the 50's was just low budget, campy adventure stories that were mostly aimed at kids. But both of those films tackled some more mature themes. Robert Wise directed The Day the Earth Stood Still, and went on to direct The Sound of Music, and eventually Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

REDR58

The exact phrase “Beam me up Scotty” does not appear in any Star Trek live action TV or movie. There are variations of the phrase, however. Just like “Play it again, Sam” that everyone associates with “Casablanca.” That exact line is never uttered in the movie. Rick says “Play it once, Sam" and "Play it, Sam."

Michael Kemmet

Just so Simone doesn't wait for something that never happens... There is no Kirk Maneuver. Unless you count bedding every attractive female alien he comes across. Simone is confusing it with some TNG "maneuvers": The Picard Maneuver(real): can't say - actual story spoilers The Picard Maneuver(funny): when Patrick Stewart tugs down his costume when he sits because it bunches up The Riker Maneuver(funny): when Jonathan Frakes sits down by swinging his leg over the back of the chair because Frakes has a back injury and it hurts him to sit down normally

Skyruff

ST:TOS was somewhat scientifically accurate, at least in comparison to what else was on TV. However, science of the late 60s could be so out of date from current science. In one episode they speak of a standing order to stop and review all "Quasar" events as at the time we didn't know what they were. The show was filmed 40 years after they discovered that the universe was made up of more then one galaxy. 20 years sense we changed to the current model of the atom and split it. The Cosmic Microwave Background was just discovered. We don't land on the moon until a few months after the show gets cancelled. The personal computer, cell phones and many other items were not only predicted but encouraged or inspired directly by this show.

Michael Kemmet

Spock's conception: It's complicated. There's no flat-out, definitive, canon explanation. An episode of TNG hints one way, and an episode of Enterprise hints another. Books and comics have given contradictory and not-fully-canon explanations. My take is that the writers want the freedom to easily create half breed species for story reasons, so they never wanted to pin the canon explanation down. So the default view is that humanoid species can generally reproduce even if it makes no scientific sense for that to work. The authors/writers that have tried to approach the question logically say Spock was created by genetic scientists working with Spock's parents DNA. And also that it was a massive effort to create a genetic sequence that would create a viable being while still allowing Spock's mom to carry him to term. (Spock's dad is a pretty important person, which is why the effort was given support.) There's also an extension that the work that was done to create Spock made it easier for other hybrids to developed later. But none of this is fully canon. I choose to believe it because it at least makes a lick of scientific sense.

Khan1001

Loving the reactions guys! I'm watching this properly for the first time as well!, I forget how great an actor Shatner was!, he has so much charisma and presence on screen, you cant take your eyes of him and damn he was a very handsome man indeed. I think he trained as a Shakespearean actor in lots of plays before Star Trek and was an understudy for the late great Christopher Plummer if I recall, I think they had a healthy rivalry back in the day. One issue, G&S, I'm having some syncing issues, I have to re-sync at least 3-4 times per episode because I'm on Netflix and you are not, I rather not have to go and download the non-remastered version from somewhere, if you could switch over to the Netflix version I would be very grateful! Cant wait for next week!

Ken Schneyer

Lovely reaction, you two! The "stardates" made absolutely no sense during TOS. During TNG they rationalized them, and the dates actually tracked from then on in. But in TOS, you go crazy if you try to figure them out. There are two different types of "captain's log" entries. The regular entries are done in real time, and so anything Kirk says *is* happening at the current moment in those entries is chronologically correct. But when you hear, "Captain's Log, Supplemental" (instead of hearing a stardate), then he's annotating afterwards or to remind himself of something, and they are sometimes not synchronous with events. Yes, Spock is half human, half Vulcan. Carl Sagan had no patience with this notion, and remarked (in print) that "You'd have better luck crossing a human with an artichoke." There IS, in fact, a retcon explanation (that appears in TNG) of how humans, Vulcans, Klingons, etc. can interbreed, but it's not especially convincing. You will learn much more about Vulcans during TOS -- in particular, you'll learn about their relationship to emotion, and to logic. Since you asked, the sponsors whose ads would have been playing during TOS were Geritol, Pepsi, and RCA Victor. "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits", two anthology series that played during the late 50s and early 60s, had put a lot of SF concepts into the popular mind by the time TOS began. READERS of SF literature, of course, had been reading about most of these concepts since at least the 1940s, and by this point most of the tropes you've heard of in SF had already been dreamed up by the likes of Bradbury, Clarke, Heinlein, Sheckley, Bester, Ellison, Asimov, Van Vogt, Kutner, et. al. However, I think the "tricorder" was a new idea. The transporter concept had been done before (see Heinlein's novel "Tunnel in the Sky", and of course the original film version of "The Fly" (starring Vincent Price))), but I think TOS was the first time it was viewed as a regular appliance. If you're looking for earlier SF films/series that influenced TOS, I'd recommend (in addition to the two TV series I mentioned above), the 1950s films "Forbidden Planet" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still." "Forbidden Planet" will especially remind you of Trek (not to mention Shakespeare, but that's a different issue). Gary Lockwood, who played Gary Mitchell, shortly afterwards played Dr. Frank Poole, the first astronaut killed by HAL 9000 in "2001: A Space Odyssey". If you are interested Frank Baum's character TickTock (a.k.a. The Royal Army of Oz), I suggest the film "Return to Oz" (mid 1980s). In response to a remark of George's, I think I should mention that these episodes were taped many weeks before they were broadcast, and they were *not* taped in the same *order* in which they were broadcast. So it is highly unlikely that audience reaction to an event in Episode 3 would have impacted how they shot Episode 4. I've never heard of the "Kirk Maneuver." Maybe Simone is remembering the "Picard Maneuver", which is a thing in TNG? You'll recall that the intermix equation they used to save the ship was based on "a theoretical relationship between TIME and antimatter." Presumably, in using this equation, and in setting a course directly opposite the one they'd been previously on, they somehow invoked that relationship in a way that reversed the "arrow of time." This was supposed, I think, to be the crew's first inkling that time travel is possible, and, yes, that comes back to haunt us later.

Khan1001

Human/Vulcan/Klingon hybrids exist in Star Trek solely because the writers say they do but I found this reasonable explanation: Vulcans & Humans would need to have some sort of genetic assistance to mix with other species, Apparently Spock's mother (Human) had genetic assistance to conceive him. I think it makes for more interesting characters who are hybrids in the Star Trek universe, B'Elanna Torres is another famous Human/Klingon hybrid on Star Trek: Voyager, she always had trouble controlling her Klingon side which made for interesting and fun story lines. Vulcan/Spock facts, Spock is half human but was raised on Vulcan and brought up as a Vulcan. He does have feelings but keeps them in check, occasionally you will see them, Leonard Nimoy does a masterful job of showing very subtle emotions just below the surface but maintaining that logic and discipline on top. Early Vulcans where barbaric and controlled by pure emotions, over hundreds/thousands of years they evolved and learned to control their emotions, Logic became their foundation like a religion, Vulcans are also telepathic and have superior strength compared to humans and have a double/triple life span, you will learn all this as you continue into the Star Trek universe! Also, for better or worse, the time travel stuff comes back many times in the Star Trek universe, sometimes its done pretty well, others not so much, oh man, I could talk about Trek all day!

REDR58
>>144565702

Forbidden Planet is an excellent film that should be watched. It has some really interesting effects and music, on top of the story. Speaking of Forbidden Planet, Simone and George have seen Robbie the Robot from Forbidden Planet though I don’t think they know it. Robbie appeared briefly in Gremlins.

REDR58
>>144559481

There are variations of both those lines, but yes, they never appear in that exact way in either of those movies or any of the shows.

REDR58
>>144539385

“The Chase”! It also features actor Norman Lloyd from “Dead Poets Society.”

REDR58
>>144521537

I got the steel book set on Amazon Prime Day and it was definitely worth the money.

G Lam

TOS Also has a "It doesn't do anything" type thing. If you look carefully (having the remastered version helps), off the side of the corridors, you might see "GNDN conduit" numbers. GNDN stands for "Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing"

JBK405

I know a bunch of your questions have been answered individually by different comments above, but I'll try to consolidate: 1) There were two pilots to this series. "The Cage" came first, and featured a different captain than James Kirk. The studio passed on it, but saw that it had potential so ordered a second pilot. The second pilot was "Where No Man Has Gone Before", which was picked up for the series. WNMHGB was aired as part of the regular run, that is the episode you watched in this video. It was edited slightly for the regular airing, so that is why the pilot version is listed as being un-aired, but that is just different transitions and soundtrack and minor changes, not a wholly new episode. Footage from "The Cage" was re-edited and incorporated into a completely new episode later in the first season. "The Cage" wasn't released as its own episode until the '80s when TNG ran into production difficulties and they needed to air SOMETHING. It is now included on the TOS DVD/Blu-ray releases. 2) Stardates are completely gibberish in TOS. The only rule is four numbers plus a decimal point. This was deliberate so that it wouldn't be nailed to a specific real-life date. Starting in TNG they do become INTERNALLY consistent (So you can tell which episodes take place before or after other episodes) but they still don't correspond to a real-life calendar. The Stardates in the Chris Pine movies DO match to specific real life dates, but we're not talking about that. 3) It was standard in TV shows in the '50s and '60s -- and even going into the '70s and '80s -- to specifically avoid any ongoing storylines so that episodes could be shown in any order and without ending. This meant that it was very common for them to all introduce a completely original plot in each new episode. Bring in a new character, establish a history and conflict, and resolve it all in 45 minutes. Star Trek wasn't new in that regard. It was specifically pitched as "Wagon Train to the Stars", because in "Wagon Train" in every episode they would arrive at a new town or settlement, have an adventure, and then move on at the end. Here it's the same thing, but a new planet instead of a small town on the American Frontier. 4) There's plenty of great sci-fi that predates "Star Trek", even on the small screen. I could list dozens of productions, but I'll specifically mention "Forbidden Planet". It is a 1956 sci-fi film that had groundbreaking special effects (Think of it like "Star Wars": It changed everybody's conception of what could be done) and was a huge influence specifically on Star Trek itself. That would be a great choice to watch for a movie one week. "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits" are also fundamental to pop-culture sci-fi, both anthology TV shows. 5) George we do learn more about how the humans and aliens intermix, but I'll tell you now that it never gets a scientific explanation that holds water. This you'll just need to accept as part and parcel of the genre, and recognize it for the metaphor it's supposed to be. They use aliens to tell stories about mixed-race children, assimilation, racism, etc. that apply to our world. But the science is still stupid. 6) Leonard Nimoy the actor came up with the Vulcan neck pinch himself. He explained it to the writers that Spock should have something more sophisticated than needing to punch somebody, but he admitted later in interviews that he really just didn't want to have to roll around on the ground filming a fight scene. 7) The water that makes everybody drunk is based on "polywater", a real-life concept that turned out to be completely false. Some scientific experiments in the Soviet Union in the '60s indicated that water could somehow be 'changed', and when the USA couldn't replicate the experiments there was a minor panic that the Soviet Union would use their advanced science to do...something...to the USA's water. After a few years of NOBODY being able to replicate the experiment -- including other Soviet scientists -- everybody realized that the whole thing was nonsense from the beginning and the original experiment didn't mean anything. But before they realized it was nonsense, they made this episode.

djKENTO

The reason people think it’s Berenstein and not Berenstain is because they pronounced it stein in the TV series. But it’s always been spelled stain, with the exception of one spine label on a VHS tape which is the only logged typo.

djKENTO

TikTok the robot from the Wizard of Oz series is in the Disney made TERRIFYING sequel Retun to Oz which I would HIGHLY recommend for a reaction. It’s one of those 80s fantasy movies that gave kids nightmares. Super bleak, gorgeous effects. Director is a sound guy so it also has a very VERY rich sound design. Wonderfully fucked up little film.

djKENTO

Gotta say… after watching the prequel series about the ship before Kirk became captain… WOW… the 4th episode hit different this time. Christine Chapel and Spock have a history now. there is no “Kirk maneuver”. but there is a Corbanite Maneuver which is coming up in a few weeks.

Andrew Roach

I believe that the state of sci fi was not good or well regarded at this time. Case in point was that the studios rejected the first pilot The Cage not because they thought it was bad but because it was too "cerebral" before requesting a second pilot which was almost unheard of. They did demand two things for the second pilot: No more Spock and a female was second in command in pilot 1 and that was too much for the time so she had to be dropped. She was but Spock stayed. Also in terms of how sci fi was regarded at the time the studio chose to air Man Trap first, which was not the first episode filmed, why... because it had a monster in it. Shatner created an iconic character named James Tiberius Kirk but in the second pilot when Gary creates a tombstone for Kirk it reads James R Kirk. I think most fans get a smile from that.

Eversharpe

To quote Dr. Ian Malcolm "Life, uh, finds a way" Also in a future world where doctors treat dozens if not hundreds of species, wouldn't it make sense that if 2 of them (or more for non binary sexes) want to procreate, there would be some kind of process for that?

Sergio Meira

Here's an example of the Star Date system (which of course changed during the franchise -- the Original Series one was basically just meaningless numbers, but later on -- TNG and post-TNG -- it became better): "Example: "46254.7". The first two digits of the Stardate are "46." The 4 stands for the 24th Century, the 6 indicates sixth season. The following three digits will progress consecutively during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point counts tenths of a day."

Sergio Meira

Pre-Star-Trek sci-fi in movies and TV had some high points -- like Forbidden Planet (a classic you guys should watch some day) -- and there was input from pulp sci fi like Flash Gordon, and from a couple of popular shows that introduced many sci-fi concepts, like "The Twilight Zone" and "The Outer Limits". I think you can basically assume that the "established things" would be spaceships, ray guns, flying cars, strange aliens that look way too human, interstellar wars, mind powers (telepathy, etc.), supercomputers that are all logics and no emotion, and basic heroics, from I'll-give-my-life-for-my-people to save-the-damsel-in-distress stuff. The basic metaphor -- which Star Trek literally adopts -- is that space is like the West ("the final frontier") and that space adventures had a westerny element to them. Unique to Star Trek were perhaps some kinds of technologies (the Tricorder -- a scanning device, we'd have called it if it had been invented later -- and the Transporter, a virtual teleportation machine (invented for the simple reason that ST wanted to save money on things like shuttles transporting crew members from the Enteprise to planet surfaces -- too many special effects). Other than that, you might say that Star Trek distinguished itself by exploring a number of concepts rather than simply fighting your monster-of-the-week (so many shows did mostly just monster-of-the-week, like Lost in Space, the Time Tunnel, or Land of the Giants). Apparently Roddenberry had a thing against women, so seveal episodes explored gender issues from a women-are-dumb perspective. Some people were going beyond that (Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Harlan Ellison, Cordwainer Smith, Paul Anderson, Theodore Sturgeon -- his novelette "Some Of Your Blood" is a must-read!), but if you think in terms of what was in everybody's minds, what could be assumed to be familiar to everybody, well, I think the items in my list were pretty much what people could count on. So no, holographic screens or humanoid robots or genetic augmentation etc. (some of which does show up in ST) would have to be introduced -- in a way that seems annoying to today's viewers, I'll admit, but was necessary, I think, in the 60s.

Odd Thomas

Maybe someone already said this but why did the tombstone say 'James R. Kirk'. His middle names Tiberius isn't it?

JoeNotCharles
>>144557841

I think you've got that backwards... It's common for a "pilot" not to get aired. They're made to sell the show to the networks. After the show's picked up by a network they film the full first season. Sometimes they'll use the pilot as part of that season, but sometimes they won't, especially if they make changes afterwards. Star Trek's unusual because after the first pilot got rejected, they still had enough support to try again with Where No Man Has Gone Before, but you can see that after that one was accepted they still added more characters and changed the uniforms before shooting the real series. It's actually strange that they re-used the pilot as an episode, given all the changes! But it's definitely a pilot, whether it aired or not.

JoeNotCharles
>>144536904

I think they did make some small changes to Where No Man Has Gone Before before it aired, which is why WNMHGB the episode and WNMHGB the unaired pilot are listed separately in episode lists, with different production codes. Stuff like updating the title sequence and re-editing some scenes for length. Nothing like the changes between The Cage and The Menagerie (which they added a framing story with the regular Enterprise crew.)

Sergio Meira

To answer George's and Simone's question about interbreeding between all those humanoid species... there IS an episode that answers that question: TNG Season 6, 'The Chase'. In it, it is revealed that all humanoid species were created by ssome long extinct and highly advanced race (the race didn't have a name, it is just shown in the episode via an image of one of them).

Phalanx

If you want an earlier sci-fi movie which has aged better and was a fairly big influence on things like Star Trek and the direction sci-fi would take, check out the movie Forbidden Planet (1956) (also an early, pre-comedy Leslie Nielsen appearance).

Mastervodo

I will add to the 2-4 mentions already of the best classic Sci-Fi movie out there, Forbidden Planet. Great story! Better acting than the ST:TOS episodes - but really, it must have been just part of that time to have movies that really were acted out more like stage plays. And the pacing is pedantic. Gotta say - the TOS series does not do it for me. I will watch because I watch everything y'all do. But not my fav. Would be much more interested if and when you transition to ST:TNG, ST:DS9 or ST:Voyager. And one other comment: Damn... trekkies can be very long-winded on their comments! It's like every comment is a goddamn THESIS! Keep them coming, fellow nerds!

Ginger

I know this is way down the road but MAN, I'm looking forward to you guys watching the end of season 1. :D

Keith Jones

Am I the only one that when Kirk says "Time Warp" immediately hears "It's just a jump...to the Left".

Thomas Yanez
>>144601500

I (Gen-X old guy) always thought it was "Berenstain". The reason I did was because after saying "Berenstein" as a kid, my mom corrected me and showed me the cover, pointing to the spelling, which led to arguments and thrown LEGO bricks with my friends.

JoeNotCharles

Because the episode was made before they settled on a middle name, and when they started calling him "James T. Kirk" in the show they forgot that they'd put an R on a prop once.

Sergio Meira
>>144622995

Continuity problems... I bet at this point nobody had yet come up with a middle name for him.

Patrick

I literally just joined the Patreon for the first time and apparently picked the best time. I'd like to first thank everyone before me for pestering George enough for George to finally cave in and start the show. Star Trek(especially TNG) is my everything.

Ginger

"If you're wondering how the species breed and other science facts, repeat to yourself: "It's just a show, I should really just relax."" ;) :p <3 Regarding older Sci-Fi: There's for example the "Flash Gordon" series from 1936 (which was a huge inspiration for Star Wars and Indiana Jones), the movie "Metropolis" from 1927 or if you wanna go way back, "A Trip to the moon" from 1902.

Skyruff

The Kirk "Corbomite" maneuver refers to bluffing your way out of an attack. Kirk does it at least twice.

Alan Kobb

There was very little notable SciFi TV before the late 1960s. Most of it was like Captain Video or Buck Rogers, which played much like the movie SciFi serials of the 1930s. There were little or no video effects, they were aimed primarily at young children, with simple stories that mostly were about the hero preserving "Truth and Justice in the Solar System!" There were also anthologies like Science Fiction Theater but that show was mostly a "what-if" based on modern science. The Twilight Zone started in the late 1950s as the first truly unique show in the genere. Also an anthology, it mixed horror with sci-fi, fantasy, and more. I think you two would really enjoy it. Among others, you'd get to see a very young William Shatner playing an airplane passenger who sees a monster on the wing of the airplane that nobody else can see. It's quite a rush! Star Trek's biggest competion in it's own time was a "space opera" called Lost in Space. Again, it mixed childish stories, but slightly better production values than it's predecessors. Star Trek was influential mostly because it tried to look at modern controversies and events through a futuristic lense.

goddan

Great to see Sally Kellerman in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"! She's also in two of my favorite movies: "M*A*S*H" (where she is treated horribly!) [also RIP Donald Sutherland) and "Back to School". {You might consider reacting to those 2 movies also.} I've seen all of Season 1 (a few years ago) and much of Seasons 2 and 3 (decades ago) and it is great to hear your reactions. Great work!

Gary Fixler

You'd think if Gary were really all that powerful, he'd realize that the real power was the friends he made along the way.

Daniel Goldberg

Someone may have mentioned this already, but the first pilot made was called “The Cage” and did not have William Shatner, among others, cast in it. It was cut up and integrated into a two part episode called “The Menagerie” later in the first season.

Gary Fixler

By the way, the opening theme has actual lyrics, written by Gene Roddenberry, and Jack Black has performed them many times. I used to have one of them on a mix CD in my car, because I'm very old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ojj9iGc6IE

Gary Fixler
>>144694532

And apparently it was a bit of a dick move... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/unthemely-behavior/ > Pressured by Roddenberry, Courage had made a "handshake deal" a couple of years earlier that gave Roddenberry the option of composing lyrics for Courage's Star Trek music (and Courage signed a contract — unknowingly, he later claimed — to that effect). Roddenberry exercised that option, writing lyrics for the main theme and then asserting his right to half the performance royalties as a co-composer. > Courage protested in vain that although the arrangement may have been legal, it was unethical: Roddenberry's lyrics added nothing to the value of the music and were created for no reason other than to usurp half the composer's performance royalties. An unsympathetic Roddenberry proclaimed, "Hey, I have to get some money somewhere. I'm sure not going to get it out of the profits of Star Trek."

Simon Pegged Me

All the important stuff has been addressed—star dates, interplanetary breeding among M-Class planet species, Vulcan emotions, the neck pinch—so I'll stick to useless observations, the strong point of those of us born under the astrological sign of Gabby, the small and annoying. In "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Kirk needlessly shoulder rolls on the ground before firing his phaser rifle at Gary. This becomes a series cliché, so much so that the writers incorporated it into the Star Trek homage Galaxy Quest, having Commander Peter Taggert (Tim Allen) shoulder roll needlessly before firing and killing Sarris in the Convention Center. Ladies, Gentlemen, Trekkies and Trekkers, I give you The Kirk Maneuver. (You're welcome, Simone.) In "The Naked Time," Kirk is still early on in his development. Here, he implies that he cannot form meaningful relationships because his true love, the Enterprise/his duty, gets in the way. It doesn't get in the way of him setting his universal translator to Joey Tribbiani mode and letting it say, "How you doing?" to every hot alien he meets when he's away from the ship, but horny Kirk is a story for another episode. Loving the TOS reactions. I hadn't seen these episodes in years, and I honestly didn't think they'd hold up, but I've been pleasantly surprised. I can hardly wait until next week.

Ginger

"those contact lenses look uncomfortable." They were. According to the book "These are the voyages: Vol. 1" (which I recommend if you want every possible bit of TOS production trivia): "[the] solution was to crumple tinfoil and laminate it between two layers of lenses. A small pinprick in the foil would allow the actors to see. That was the theory anyway. [...] Gary [Lockwood] couldn't stand it. He'd have them in for one second and he'd scream: "Get these lenses out of my eyes!" Lockwood said: "It was the most miserable six days of my life. I'm not exaggerating. I couldn't wear those lenses very long. And I'm kind of a tough cowboy guy, but my eyes just became so irritated after a period of time. It was the worst.""

Ginger
>>144713896

Speaking of early development: Spock looks wildly different in all of these early episodes. His skin is sometimes almost green and his eyebrows are all over the place, as they hadn't quite figured out how "alien" he's supposed to look.

JustALilTired

Frank Baum’s character Tick Tock is one of my favorites from the 1985 film Return to Oz. It’s not a sequel to the Judy Garland Wizard of Oz film but is based on a variety of the Oz books. Another one to add to the list of movies that traumatized 80s kids lol. Would love to see your reactions to it!

Hamesque

I think one of the less well known "lines that people assumed are in media" is "Welcome to Cinebinge."

Hamesque

Good ol Cinebinge. Come for the discussions of TV and movies, stay for the discussions of inter-species erotica.

Ashley Minor

Just so George knows that it exists out there somewhere the exchange: "What's it for?" "Well, nothing, nothing, I mean, that's the beauty of it. Every machine in the world does something, but not mine." Appears in an episode of 60s show Burke's Law. I don't know why people seem to have memory of this random tv show but I know cause it was sampled by a musician I like.

Jesus F Christ

Simone, you probably haven't noticed (or aren't aware), but the actress that plays Lwaxana Troi on TNG just appeared in The Naked Time episode. She's younger and plays Nurse Christine Chapel, and will show up more as you progress through The Original Series. The actress is Majel Barrett (later Majel Barrett Rodenberry once Gene Roddenberry divorced his wife and married Majel after Star Trek was cancelled). She also played the first officer known only as Number One in the TOS pilot The Cage, that time with her natural brunette hair color. Not only does she go on to play Lwaxana Troi in TNG, she's the voice of the computer in many episodes of TOS, in all of TNG, some Deep Space Nine episodes, in Voyager, in the movies, and even in the Enterprise series. She's one of the few Trek actors to appear in almost every series, at least until the time of her death. Clint Howard (Ron Howard's brother) is another actor that has been showing up in every series, his latest appearance being last year on Strange New Worlds. None of that is really a spoiler, just Trek-geek trivia. These first few episodes are slow. It'll pick up soon, once they stop screwing with the production order and air date. The crew will start to gel, the uniforms will become consistent, and everyone's roles will be well-defined.

Steve D

You guys need to watch Forbidden Planet, classic sifi moviestarring Leslie Nielsen.

Steve D

Bruce Lee played Kato in the 1966 version of The Green Hornet.

Simone's Coconut Squire

Confused by stardates??? It's just metric time! How do you Canadians not know that? :P

Michael Nemo

Twilight Zone, One Step Beyond, Outer Limits. SciFi TV before Trek.

Michael Nemo

Interbreeding in Star Trek happen in order to show unity and oneness in the galaxy.

Theadora

Simone, I expected you might notice the title "The Naked Time" was related to the first season TNG episode "The Naked Now".

Stache

The earliest Scifi I can point to personally is the black and white Flash Gordon serials and the black and white Buck Rodgers serials. You could also count the very first series of Doctor Who. P.S. Forgot about Lost in Space show (probably came after this, can't remember).

Logan Kerlee

This has probably been mentioned already - but Lost In Space premiered a year before Star Trek's series premiere. That's the only sci fi SHOW that was out before Star Trek. I love watching Star Trek with you guys! That goes both for George and Simone plus all of my fellow Patrons! This is so much fun. :) Brings back good childhood memories. 3D chess is ridiculous! xD Personality shift for sure. Awesome description Simone! After you said that it made me feel creeped out for a second. Generally at the end of each day they write/comment intot their log, yeah. So it's like a spacefaring journal. I saw Sulu as being horny. His bodyheat increased and wanted to be alone with the other guy and it just seemed like he was. Yeah, dude! Takei was in excellent shape! I forgot, was Uhura security? lol, were Jefferies Tubes a thing during this era? I'm not sure that they would've been a thing this early in the Star Trek timeline. It very well could have been Sulu! Yeah, no I can't think of another Asian performer before this. I'll check on this before I post this. He'll live. :) Vulcans can feel just as anyone else does. They suppress them is all. I believe that they actually feel them at an increased amount, which is the reason why they limit the way that they present them so much. I think that Spawk has regained control over the illness. Ah! I love time travel in these shows so much! hahaha, glad that Simone is in the know on that. :) SUPER hoping that ya'll can continue on with Star Trek for the next long while. Vulcans are from the planet Vulcan. I'm pretty sure that Star Trek just assumes that all species can breed with whoever. Yeah, no - I think that works, yeah! xD You'll see a full Vulcan sometime soon, I think.

Logan Kerlee

Really enjoyed watching this with you both! :) So much fun.

Twoside
>>147742787

Captain Video and His Video Rangers The adventure serials. The first popular science-fiction program on American television was the DuMont Television Network children's adventure serial Captain Video and His Video Rangers, which ran from June 1949 to April 1955. this is the first sci-fi show on tv.

Cory Garron

I re-joined the Pateron specifically for Star Trek!

Bradley Shafer

The genetic compatibility of races from different planets isn't explained until the TNG episode The Chase.

Charlie Ito
>>146391002

I was thinking about the outer limits and twilight zone radio shows, since they had astronauts and people disappearing, etc. Glad they got there eventually!

Bandaloop

The only time I can recall the phrase was from the old joke, "Beam me up, Scotty; there's no intelligent life down here." T-shirt, bumper sticker, early internet.

Bandaloop

Pre- Star Trek TV, most famously, The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits were always on reruns.

Jay Perry

Charlie is DJT in space.

Jay Perry

You have to see Forbidden Planet. it has transporter tech before Star Trek.

ThetaSigmaTheOriginal

I think Doctor Who is considered the first real sci-fi series. Star Trek came along a couple of years later. And they're both still around today. Twilight Zone came a couple of years earlier, but it's more sci-fi and fantasy mix.

Hermits Window

In TNG theres an episode where they discover alongside the klingons, romulans and cardasians that there was an ancient race of humanoids that seeded the entire galaxy, which is why most life in it are humanoids and why there can be inter-species reproduction.