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Better Call Saul 403-404 (Patreon)

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2025-02-18 13:00:05
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2026-01-08 03:01:11
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Emily G

You guys should watch Mad Men at some point. I think it’s really great.

Mike Medaugh

Yes he is from Breaking Bad, the burglar. It's the guy who owns the pest control business that walt buys. Poor Nacho man dude sure does walk a tough road.

Michael Haug

The look of horror on Simones face and the sinister grin on George's. No picture sums this duo up better

Jeff K.

I can't be the only one rocking back and forth with excitement knowing what's coming later this season...

Stugotz

The part where he asked the pizza to be sliced is a callback to Breaking Bad when Jesse was having all those people at his house and he ordered pizza for everyone but it didn't come sliced, it was a short scene so you probably don't remember it. It was funny though. Also the pizza that Walt throws on the roof wasn't sliced either so they all probably ordered from the same place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_iXjlQsTaI

Maiki

When I was a kid and even in my teens I think, pizzas were always delivered unsliced, unless you asked for it. Don't know when or why it changed. An instagram post of your diner breakfast pizza would be much appreciated, George :)

Jeff K.

Jimmy talking about how their eyes are gonna pop when they see what they “brung ‘em” is almost certainly a reference to Jaws, when Quint is cackling about how his taxidermy guy was gonna lose it when he sees that they “brung ‘em.”

Mike Medaugh

Taco Tuesdays goona be fire!!!

Inkpendude

I tried to watch Mad Men a few years ago and it was so boring. I wonder if I would like it now, or maybe season 1 was too slow?

Maiki

Great thing is that while I still remember a lot, not just this season but the whole show, it's been long enough that there are moments every now and then, where I think "ooooohhh right, this and that is coming up soon".

Stugotz

The term "shrink" I think comes from headshrinker if I'm not mistaken

Carlos H

By not slicing the pizza they are passing the savings on to you.

Tenn Seven

You never buy a woman a vacuum for a gift.

Carlos H

What a funny coincidence, George. Your obsession with Kingdom Come deliverance and You questioning the origins of in a jiff/in a jiffy. Last night I was questioning how old the Idiom was becase an npc in KCD 2 says "in a jiff" . I didn't realize its been around for hundreds of years. I paused the game to look it up.

Emily G

Season one is a little slow but it really picks up. It’s not a lot of action and guns, but the acting is truly phenomenal. You should give it a second chance. The first season they were trying to find their footing.

Emily G

Plus the vintage aesthetic is amazing and the show just looks amazing too.

Vwlss Nvwls

I think when Kim saw all the models she started to feel overwhelmed at how much work it was. And when she was staring at the art in the lobby she might have been thinking about how she got the job to begin with, and feeling a bit guilty. IMHO

Vwlss Nvwls

The vacuum as a gift was probably because he got it for his wife as an anniversary gift. IMHO The thing about the pizza being sliced is a callback to Breaking Bad when Jesse had that crowd of people in his house, and Badger got pizza from a place that charged extra to slice it, so he got it unsliced.

Jay Willis

$50 to Simone if she can do the song perfectly. Who will match? :P

Dragonhunter

Nah, jim beaver is the weapon guy. But this guy was still in breaking bad, he got the signature from the homeowner where they first tried the whole pest control stick in season 5.

Philipp Roensch

I thought it was common to get Pizza unsliced, unless you asked for it, to make your own portions :). But this was also a callback to the same discussion in BB. Oh yeah the twins are cartoonish, but have you seen how they wrecked the place?^^ Aren't most small graffito just signatures? Or abbreviations of slogans, gang signs and other symbols, and then there come the art form of throwing big images up. If found those mid-season episodes to be a bit more of a lull, but they are preparing our characters for the next direction.

Vwlss Nvwls

When you were talking about the graffiti, it reminded me of a time I was on the bus. A young man, covered in tattoos, who looked like a gang member, got on with his 5 yr old daughter. He was talking to her in such a sweet way, teaching her about the bus and things we were passing. At one point he was pointing out graffiti and telling her how him and his friends did that when he was younger, then said "it was wrong for Daddy to do that, but I did not know better back then." I found it so surprising, and heart warming, how someone with what most would consider a past with no future was able to turn it around likely because he had a child.

DonkyDave

Surprised Simone didn't recognise the voice of the judge from Star Trek Voyager!

G P

Great show!

Justin Leone

In Breaking Bad, when Walt throws the pizza on the roof, it's a whole, unsliced pizza. Later in BB, they explain this oddity by having Badger and/or Skinny talking about a pizza place that lets you cut it yourself and passes the savings on to you. This is another reference to that same place.

Max Hassam

The "sliced" pizza is an inside joke for the Breaking Bad universe. When Walt threw the pizza on the roof, to get it to work they had to use an unsliced pizza, which people noticed. So they invented Venezia's Pizza who give you the option of leaving it unsliced for a slight discount 😂 The burglar Jimmy hired is Ira who is the head of the Vamonos Pest crew who are also burglars (plus a psychopath with Todd)! A bit of insight into Kim's feelings is in S3E10 she said "oh yeah I'm really changing the world by helping a mid-sized local bank become a mid-sized regional bank. Yay me." That letter scene breaks my heart and both of them play it so well. Kim getting upset by Jimmy's total lack of visible emotion. And then his desperate attempt to appear okay by taking a job he doesn't want. And now he has to be alone with his thoughts all day. So, what does he, a man a has just got a lousy job at a cellphone store, do when he realises that criminals are constantly in need of new phones? Runs a privacy promotion😂 Always baby baby steps towards him Sauling out

Sergio Meira

On Chuck's letter: yes, clearly that was written long ago, while Jimmy was still working in the mail room and secretly studying law (go land crabs!). I always thought it showed what Chuck's plan was for Jimmy: a 'redemption path' that made him humble, law-abiding, but also inferior. 'You always land on your feet', 'I am always on your side', etc. Chuck would be very happy to be the redeemer brother. For some time, Jimmy was OK with that too -- he honestly thought his brother would be happy to learn he, Jimmy, had passed the bar exam and was now a licensed lawyer. If he had read the letter before that (I'm sure Chuck would have eventually given him the letter, if Jimmy had never become a lawyer), he probably would be happy. Now... now he's suppressing his feelings, he's hardening his heart, he's killing his soul. Now it doesn't matter anymore.

Sergio Meira

Out of curiosity, what do you think the 'something beautiful' was in this episode that the title refers to? To me, it was Chuck's letter, but somehow I'm not really satisfied with this idea.

Actuarial Lurker

SO THIS is how Gus starts sourcing product North of the Border and is NOT just a delivery guy

Actuarial Lurker

Simone: The judge is NEELIX from Star Trek Voyager

Actuarial Lurker

George: So Gale can get 96%, Jesse got 96% in the dirty Mexican lab, Todd was getting in the 70s as was the "Wolverine" crew that Lydia had masscred, Walter 99.1%

myinniemademedoit

Yeah. Chucks letter was disingenuous and absolutely written when Jimmy was still beneath him in the mailroom.

John Zelinka

I will!! That would be awesome...awesome song.

Actuarial Lurker

So Gus technically wasn't lying when he told Hank, Gomez and their boss that he set up a scholarship fund for Gale at University of New Mexico

JBK405

Others have pointed out that the burglar was in BB as the owner of Vamanos Pest. When Saul first introduced the Vamanos Pest crew to Walter and Jesse, he said they were "second story men". "Second story man" is a term for a criminal who specializes in tricky, SKILLED burglary. For example, instead of breaking down the front door, they climb through a window on the second story. Vamanos Pest's racket was that they made copies of keys while they fumigated, so they (or somebody else) could come back weeks or months later and pick the house clean with nobody making any connection. Here we see that he can patch an alarm so it won't go off when the door is opened, and can pick a lock. That's a good foundation for a career as a second story man. There was never a plotline in BB about buying or selling burner phones, but they nonetheless showed up a lot. Saul always had a desk drawer FILLED with one-time-use phones, and the show frequently showed him pulling out a new phone for some shady deal. I don't think Mike's over-strictness at this inspection was due to him being bored, I think he was angry and this was how he was letting it out. He was angry at his daughter-in-law talking about forgetting his dead son, and angry at the group as a whole. So he was picking at every little thing he could as an outlet.

Silver Linings Starman

The pizza sliced was a reference to Breaking Bad. Badger orders pizza for Jesse's party and it's not sliced. He says "The don't slice the pizza and pass the savings onto you".

Brian Sittler

It just occurred to me that the guy in group with the dead wife story is kinda doing his version of what Edward Norton’s character does at the start of Fight Club lol. Also I love how the opening & closing scenes meet back up and you see what Mike’s remembering about his son & by the end you know why and in that same moment he’s becoming enraged.

Angzarr

Both with this and the optional pizza slicing thing remind me how good BCS is at connecting even the tiniest threads with BB. Though my favorite is the "Hey, you're not Kevin Costner!" callback (call forward?)

REDR58
>>165121146

I think “brung” is also just regional slang. Similarly around here where I live in Pennsylvania people often say “drug” instead of “dragged.” Like, “my wife drug me to see a play.”

REDR58 (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-05 05:00 When the vet mentions “Yul Brynner” when talking about one of the brothers, he is referring to the late actor Yul Brynner who was born in Russia and was known for keeping his head shaved long after performing “The King and I” on stage over 4000 times. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner When Jimmy is bouncing the ball against the glass to alleviate some boredom in the empty cell phone store that is almost certainly a reference to similar scenes in the movie “The Great Escape” when Steve McQueen bounces a ball against one of the wall of his prison cell. It’s been similarly referenced in a number of other movies.
2025-02-19 05:49

Jeff K.

Yeah, for sure. And don't get me started on the weird slang yunz in Pennsylvania come up with... but I think in this instance it's a reference to Jaws because we know that Jimmy is a big classic movie buff.

SpankTheMonk

He got Salamanca blood infused in him, dang. The faker at the support group also reminds me of Fight Club.

SpankTheMonk
>>165128204

Neelix I believe! Great catch. Without spoiling Star Trek Voyager he was a nice part of the show.

Sergio Meira

I even wonder why he bothered leaving it to him. Or maybe it wasn't supposed to be part of his will, and his lawyers just found it somewhere, saw that it was addressed to Jimmy and decided to deliver it?

MacGuffinStuff

I think the twins were raised from birth to be hitmen. Someone in the family saw them and said "one of these boys could grow up to be a real killer, but two?" What's better than one Rambo? Two. And they have that weird twin connection. Raised together, trained together, and they definitely got training from special forces types along the way. Remember when we saw them young and Hector gave them that fairly brutal lesson about loyalty. They're basically a team of assassins, unconditionally loyal to the family. Scary. Great writing I think, but I get the cartoonish part simply because they almost never speak, that we see anyway. Also, it just cracks me up every time I see the guy at the copier place, that's Uncle Jack from IASIP, Charlie's way creepy uncle and lawyer.

DinChild

Man, you guys are in for SUCH a treat as this show continues.

Simon Pegged Me

I think the letter shows two things. One, it shows how diminished Chuck had become over the years, as there's no way Chuck at his peak would ever let his will lapse into a state that didn't reflect his final wishes. Prime Chuck was too good to let that happen. Two, the outdated letter shows that even at the peak of his brotherly love for Jimmy, Chuck thought so little of him that he left him nothing. Before the letter surfaced, it looked like Chuck had cut Jimmy out of the will due to recent events; but, when Jimmy reads it and reveals that it was written when Jimmy was still working for HHM, it's clear that's not the case. This letter was all Chuck ever meant for Jimmy to have.

Joe Lazarus

It's a reference to The Shining which was itself a reference to the Great Escape. It's a pretty standard way to show extreme boredom. -here's JOHNNY!!!!

Guy-on-Couch

it's also the same place Walt gets the pizza he throws on the roof

REDR58

George the use of “jiffy” goes back to the 1770s: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/jiffy 1. a very short time; moment: to get dressed in a jiffy. Synonyms: trice, second, flash, instant Incidentally, I imagine “Jif” peanut butter is probably related, like making a sandwich in a jiffy or something.

MarisoL

I like that it wasn't in the blue tone like the regular "past" scenes, perhaps because that memory is very present for him.

Brian Sittler

Very nice detail. I hadn’t thought about that at all.

Khan1001

Simone, you didn't recognize the actor playing the judge in ep4, he's Neelix from Star Trek Voyager! I was waiting for you to say to George ''Hey, hes from Star Trek Voyager!'' but he (Ethan Philips) was in heavy make up for that famous role so its ok. Also, No, we are NOT done with Howard.............oh boy oh boy!

Sergio Meira

Obviously, the letter was written before Chuck knew Jimmy was going to be a lawyer.

Benjamin-Ian Astley-schaack

Am aware. Pretty much my point. Chucks final words to Jimmy invalidate the entirety of the letter.

Ravi

The letter was written when Chuck was well and healthy, and the final words were spoken when he was a mental basket case.

Tee Pee

I'm pretty sure the burglar guy Jimmy hired was one of the Pest Control/mobile meth lab guys in Breaking Bad...

matan ron

Jimmy is now marketing directly to criminals.

mky

Simone and George, I'm going to have to take Henry's side in that support meeting, because...that actor is Marc Evan Jackson(!), who was on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Good Place, and who played "Sparks Nevada, Marhal on Mars" on the Thrilling Adventure Hour podcast. I first saw Marc Even Jackson many, *many* years ago playing Sparks Nevada (and other characters) at a live taping of the Thrilling Adventure Hour at Largo in Los Angeles. I know my logic breaks down when you think about Herny's abhorrent behavior in those meetings, but Marc Evan Jackson can do no wrong in my book. 😜

mky

I'm sure someone must have brought this up already, but if you want to see "Jimmy & Chuck" in a different context, check out this sketch from "Mr. Show with Bob & David": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_9qBhuXt0

Brien

If you remember back in Breaking Bad, when they go to Mexico there was a Doctor and nurses ready for Gus, Mike, and Jesse along with extra blood of their correct blood types.

Redrum Sacrament

In these past two episodes, I enjoyed Nacho, Mike, and Gus's side of the story more than Jimmy's boring mission to steal old people's Funko Pop and Cell phone store. Of course it does set up for later on. I especially like the brothers, not twins, Two Man Army shoot out. The Judge has been in a lot of stuff including Bad Santa as the kid's father in Jail.