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Star Trek: The Original Series 324-323 (yes, it's reversed intentionally) (Patreon)

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2025-04-09 12:00:09
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Lost1Sole

Um - I'm seeing the video for E323 but hearing the reaction to E324. Hard to sync!

Cinebinge

aaah damn it, fixing it now. 20 mins. sry bout that!

Robert Brown

Yeah, I’m having the same problem!

Andrew Roach

Congrats, you have finished Star Trek TOS, the good episodes, the bad episodes, the few horrible episodes and the many great episodes. As you may or may not know TOS was basically a failure during its network run hence its abrupt end. I actually really like the second to last episode, ops... I mean the "last" episode. Actually the series was being watched by the prime age group, namely consumers, but no one knew that at the time as that was before demographics. As soon as the show ended man landed on the moon and interest in space suddenly soared. Star Trek later achieved its legendary status in syndication where it became the number one show and the rest as they say is history. A second Star Trek series was planned and developed. Scripts were wrote, many that later found their way into TNG, and actors were hired but it all ended when Star Wars became a smash hit and suddenly it became clear that sci fi could make big $$bucks$$ for the studios. The series was scrapped and Star Trek The Motion Picture was born.

iFixSAN

Video removed as i was watching.. That's a first to check off the life list. (oh... that's sad...)

Michael M.

Oh no, you bungled it up. Your commentary for the first episode is Turnabout intruder, but in the background All Our Yesterdays is playing. Vice versa for the second episode. I'm not from Canada, and for some reason my version on Netflix is different from yours and I need to sporadically re-synchronise, which is hard to do when the wrong episode is playing

Cinebinge

yep fixing it now. 20 ish minutes, sry bout that!

Cody Cameron

Anybody else notice the video behind George and Simone is flipped. By that I mean behind them is episode 23 but they are watching episode 24 and vice versa

Lost1Sole

Thanks! Looking forward to the team's reaction to Ms. Mariette Hartley avec leather bikini!

Cinebinge

yep fixing it now. 20 ish minutes, sry bout that!

Logan Kerlee

Appreciate the heads up! Just hopped on a moment ago and saw the error.

Logan Kerlee

xD Aw, I missed out! I've watched content on YouTube that wasn't around when I refreshed but something hasn't flat broken on me midwatch before! lol, sort of jealous. hahahaha

Mycenaeus

How crazy is it that this show went off air just weeks before the first men walked the surface of the moon.

Lintrinsic

It's episodes like Turnabout Intruder that makes me say I'm a Star Trek fan in spite of Roddenberry. His idea of feminism pretty much began and ended with the Summer of Love and bra burning. He liked the idea of sexual liberation but never really grasped emancipation. A lot gets pinned on studio expectations and demands, but it's also evident in later Trek where he had more control. But having said that, it's still vastly more progressive than other TV shows of the era.

Cody Cameron

no worries just thought you might want to know

Lintrinsic

General order 4 is the death penalty for visiting or communication with Talos IV from The Menagerie.

ShōNuff3K

Star Trek has an animated series!?

Actuarial Lurker

The Animated series even though it has 2 "seasons" has enough episodes to essentially be considered Season 4 of TOS, and is better than the other seasons since the animated format allows doe non-humanoid aliens etc

Actuarial Lurker

Kirk unleashes his "feminine side" in Episode 24- hilarious but not intended to be. Transgender Shatner...oh my!

Actuarial Lurker

All of Our Yestedays is one of the best TOS epodes- and has the classic "i have eaten animal flesh and enjoyed it" and gets some prehistoric cave woman love

Actuarial Lurker

George- Vulcans have emotions- even WORSE extremes than humans and developed a Zen-like religion to supress these emotions when they had almost destroyed themselves in a nuclear war around 2000 years ago- the Pan Farr and illnesses that prevent meditation and supression cause these extremes to emerge

Cinebinge

right, okay so it is entirely mental control as i thought, which makes the reversal in the episode even more confusing, especially since nothing happened to Bones?

Actuarial Lurker

Yes they had Spock return to a pre-Surak (the Vulcan Jesus/Buddha) time and they made Spock basically forget his training since it had not occurred- sort of like trying to be a Christian in 500 BC when Christ had not been born yet...so you are correct, Bones should have become a pre-Christian "savage" or a Druid or follow Zeus or something and speak Latin if they wanted to be consistent

Cinebinge

yaa if hes able to so quickly forget his religious-esque teachings to suppress emotions, then Bones should be losing his medical knowledge to diagnose the problem, or knowledge of space/space travel.

Monica Alarcon

Thank you for doing The Animated Series! I'm so happy 😊

Actuarial Lurker

Yes it aired in 1973/74 on mornings as a "kids show" mixed in with Bugs Bunny, Road Runner and the like but the audience was mainly adults since its themes were adult in nature similar to the regular TOS...it is voiced by the main TOS cast actual actors and is actually better than most of the TOS scripts since they could explore other life forms and have visual effects that weren't in the studio budget of regular TV. I was 8 years old and remember watching these as a kid

Actuarial Lurker

The big criticism of hippies and 60s types is that they liked the free love so men could have sex with whomever they wanted but Not the "liberation" where women would have equal pay or power

Actuarial Lurker

They explain it away as not having been "prepared". The old guys in the space station purge your current memories and send you back in time so you can't tell your are from the future. Of course the guy in 1650's Three Musketeers time who accused Kirk of witchcraft should by that logic not know he had been sent back either..so that is best another flaw

Kurt Hockenbury

I think part of Spock's change was from the Atavacron. The reason McCoy wasn't as affected is because humans didn't change that much. Either that or bad writing that wanted an excuse for Spock to eat meat and act emotional. Also, I am required to point out that the librarian was Mr Atoz, or Mister "A to Z".

dasgrove

Thanks for this guys. It has been a true pleasure going through the full run with ya'll. Looking forward to continuing the journey!

dc

This has been so much fun! Until now, I hadn't ever seen every episode of TOS—in particular, most of Season 3 was new to me. Regarding Season 3, while I don't think it was the strongest season, there were some good episodes in there (as well as some stinkers!). It's also worth noting that having 3 seasons gave Star Trek enough episodes for it to be syndicated in the 1970s, which is when the show *really* took off. If it wasn't for the third season, seasons 1 and 2 may have faded into obscurity and we'd have never had all the Star Trek we do today. I'm looking forward to the Animated Series, which I've never seen before, and I'm especially looking forward to the movies.

u_mike

I wonder when the Animated Series will begin

dc

It's almost surely due to bad writing—the show had been canceled by that point; they knew they were done. Still, overall, it was a good episode—and at least it wasn't boring.

REDR58
>>170447401

That aborted series was to be first called “Star Trek: Phase II” and then just “Star Trek II.”

Lintrinsic

Yeah I'm aware of some of his behaviour and attitudes. "Bit" is an understatement There's a number of video essays on it as well. Jessie Gender did a series on sex in Star Trek but big spoilers for future shows.

Monica Alarcon

All Our Yesterdays has two book sequels (Yesterday's Son and Time for Yesterday in which... Spoilers of the books follow... Spock uses the Guardian of Forever to go back for Zarabeth but he's too late and she's dead but he takes his young adult son back with him to the Enterprise... then there's stuff with Romulans and more Time Travel... They are really good. In fact several episodes and movies are expanded or continued in Book form. Just last week I read Memory Prime which is a sequel to The Lights of Zetar.... For more information on the history of Vulcan and Romulans Read Spock's World by Diane Duane...

D. T. Nelson

Episode 323 is the one and only time (that I am aware of) that they suggested the Vulcan change was physiological and not achieved through mental discipline. The physiological "devolving" from simply going back in time doesn't even make sense. I'm not sure either of these episodes could be considered better than the other. Both had interesting ideas, and neither one was executed well. As for your discussion about breeding and species... apparently in Star Trek, humans (especially male humans) are "thirsty" and will breed with anything that moves on two legs. This does not change after TOS.

Badger

Thank you two for watching along and falling for my favorite show. Over 900 episodes of ALL Star Trek is the timeline to my life... Like a song or your favorite band, I can look back at an episode or series and remember where I was at that stage of my life… I feel in love with TOS in the 70s because wanted Kirk top be my dad! And just kept watching and collecting until I had seen all Trek and a Trek room ("want to see my playroom") and re-watching with friends that talk through the best part(LOL)-is seriously the best! I feel it is reaction channels, like this one, that are keeping the Star Trek Universe alive! A new Generation of viewers, one might say. I am excited about the next chapter: Is the Animated Series cannon...? LLAP

Kurt Hockenbury

At least some of the Animated Series is ; it's been referenced on Lower Decks, and Lower Decks had a crossover with Strange New Worlds.

SpankTheMonk

To have boldly gone! And yet the adventures will continue! Merci Beaucoup Cinebinge!

CT

Why can't the changes that have happened for Vulcans be both mental and physiological? Why would Vulcans evolve at the same rate as humans? Do Vulcans have adrenal glands? Could different species create fertile offspring with the help of advanced technology? Who can say?

Poddington

Wonder if they'll watch Star Trek the Animated Series

Data Cable

In fact, Star Trek now has THREE animated series: "The" animated series, Lower Decks, and Prodigy.

Badger

Sure, but those are spoilers from waaay down the line. I am talking where they are right now and where they are in the order of the episodes..

Cinebinge

so as explained to me by others that Vulcans emotion suppression is a trained skill from essentially a religion. If the reversal is mental, which it is in this case, then why only that? why not knowledge of space travel, and why only Spock? why didnt Bones revert back to the human knowledge of 5000 years ago when it comes to medical science? Why was he able to diagnose Spock? additionally, in the previous episode where we met the founding father of modern Vulcans, they expressed it as "after that day where we almost annihilated ourselves we decided to change", which made it sound like it again was an overnight decision, rather than a gradual change. And if it was with the help of technology to suppress their emotions, then why does it not work during the Pon Far? Perhaps its a technological device that holds the emotions back, so it stopped working just like their phasers, in which case... its not a skill honed through training, more like having a pace maker. Which is fine, but that doesnt seem to be the case for Vulcans lore wise.

Simon Pegged Me

Walter Koenig did write one of the episodes, though: The Infinite Vulcan (Season 1–episode 7).

Shonnicus

Look at George going full Treckie

Shonnicus

So I'm not a big Star Trek fan. I watched long time ago a documentary called: Trekkies(1997). So when Galaxy Quest came out in 1999 (I watched later), I got most of the references of Fan Nerdom from the doc. Anyways you are all a bunch of Nerds and Star Wars is better. I'm joking people.

Skyruff Creative

George, to address the separation of species item in Star Trek.... very little spoilers here... In the Enterprise series, they have a few episodes that show that almost all the hominoid species in the galaxy can crossbreed, usually but not allows, with some medical intervention needed. In short, The Star Trek series, expand the definition of species to ignore the crossbreeding piece. They never actual redefine what is meant by "species" in their universe. Romulans and Vulcans are considered two separate sub-species of a common ancestor in Star Trek. In the later Next Gen series, they have an episode that explains that the reason there are so many humanoid species in the galaxy that are so very closely related is because they all had a common ancestor long ago who "seeded" the galaxy.

Beddoe

Big Congratulations on the 200k !!

Simone's Coconut Squire

RE: 323 If their bodies are altered to be of the time they are going to, then future archeologist wouldn't ever find future people because their bodies would be indistinguishable from people of the time. And as to Vulcans, it's implied that Vulcans have somehow gone through some sort of physiological changes that coincided with their philosophical change. Romulans I believe split off from Vulcans at right about that time, so retain more of the traits of the ancient Vulcans. And yeah, you'll have to put aside the whole biology thing because LOTS of half-breeds in Star Trek.

Simone's Coconut Squire

I believe the official explanation from Roddenberry was “Their Vulcan abilities allowed them to evolve their DNA quickly because HEY LOOK OVER THERE! SPACE BOOBS! *scamper*”

JFC

I know It's still a ways off, but when you get to the first Trek movie - Star Trek: The Motion Picture - the one to watch is the 2022 Director's Edition. That's the version streaming on Paramount+.

SpankTheMonk
>>170514016

Great call out! 🙌. And I often find many director cuts, even respecting a creative’s vision, unneeded ( outside of pure money grabs). Worse is when a director can’t stop fudging with a film - Ridley Scott, if they react to Legend by Ridley Scott the director’s cut removes many things that people like or actually make sense. I think he even admitted that he went too far thinking he needed to do it to the film. The American theatrical is great and the most readily available on streaming, followed by the UK which again has frustrating edits because they remove the key song at the end and change a pivotal point - arrrgh Ridley I love your films but sheesh- sorry for the long non-sequiter.

LeperMessiah117

I'm reading that apparently The Animated Series had been made non-canonical. So, if there are any obvious inconsistencies going forward, that's probably why.

Simon Pegged Me

Simone, when the actor playing Janice Lester sat down at the evidentiary hearing, she did try to mimic the way Shatner sits in the command chair. She even gives the top of her dress a tug after being seated the way officers give their tunics/shirts a tug when they sit, although I'm not sure that part was intentional.

Tales of the Fantastic Podcast

There are one or two stories within the Animated Series that are renowned and canonical - I won't mention which. I haven't watched through the whole series since I was a kid - 40 some-odd years ago. This is gonna feel pretty damn new! Looking forward to experiencing it with you both!

Andrew Roach

Yes, Phase II was a strange name. One new actor cast as a Vulcan had a small role in The Motion Picture.

Stevtrek

There are actually a few things that appear in TNG that originate in the animated series.

SpankTheMonk

I appreciate that you both are trying to find the motivation and ideas in the penultimate episode (original final). But yeah it is for sure not a winner, but as you say the concept is interesting. However I do like the actresses small facial reactions felt like Kirk. I think they are using mutiny generally but there are rules for demotion or taking command. Ouch on the red shirts comment in this episode 🥶

djKENTO

As fun as the Animated series is… I’d really love to get to the movies. Been craving that rewatch

The Real Andrew Kim

I appreciate the depth that George analyzes the concepts but to be fair, you always have to keep in mind how different cultural norms were in the 60s. Very few people (in the US at least) had the education and scientific knowledge to question a lot of the weird leaps in logic in the story telling. In the era that this was made, sci-fi concepts like supernova, time travel and evolution were not nearly as established concepts to the general public as it is now. This applies to the writers and executives that made the show as well. The studio heads and creators of this time period were notorious for having very low bar and expectations of their audiences. They literally thought most people were too dumb to ask the questions that you guys bring up all the time, and just that the flashy effects and sexy ladies were enough to carry a story which is why there are so many "distracting" outfits as George likes to point out. I mean they literally ended the series on an episode saying "Women are hysterical and not suited for leadership positions." Having said that, a lot of the world/universe building foundations that become established canon are still not solidified even at this point at the end of TOS. It is not until at least the second star trek movie and the 90s trek shows that the canonical history and rules of this universe start to get constructed. Remember this is episodic TV, and they literally had no obligation for any continuity, nor did they expect anyone to remember anything that had come before or after the story that was currently being told so they literally just wrote what they needed to keep the story going and to fill the time. As per the vulcan "biology" there are still are no set rules at this point, but it does become established that the Vulcans were very emotional and violent in their history. It does get established that Vulcans actually feel emotions more intensely than humans and are physically stronger by as much as 20 times that of a human bein. These are vestiges of their violent past when they only gave in to their primal instincts as this episode references which is why Spock is so emotional. It will be expanded much later in the franchise, but (spoiler alert) there is essentially a cultural turning point that is very analogous to a messiah that saves the vulcan race from itself. so in the end, the hodge podge of ideas that get tossed around about vulcans throughout TOS starts to congeal into a more coherent explanation as the show evolves, but it literally took decades.

Ohmss

You should watch playthroughs (or even play) of the Star Trek 25th Anniversary and Star Trek Judgment Rites games! They are voiced by the original cast and cover the last 2 years of the 5-year mission. Great stories and it feels just like TOS episodes!

Michael Bauer

This has been a great journey with you so far. I'm very much looking forward to watching TNG with you (my favorite show ever).

Alan Kobb

I'm no expert, but the definition of species that George gave did not take into account interbreeding. For example, dogs, wolves and coyotes can interbtreed and a mule is the result of a horse and donkey interbreeding. Suffice it to say, it is possible in the era of faster-than-light space travel that we might find species on other planets that are similar enough to us to interbreed with us and create viable offspring. Or, to put it another way, yes.. Someday you might be able to have sex with a creature from another planet...

SpankTheMonk

Fascinating that the world created a time travel portal machine before space travel. Must be a deep seated cultural isolation. Unfortunate nick name for ancient time period of superstition “Bones” good thing he didn’t call Spock a pointed ear hobgoblin. Poor Leonard has some acne scars that the makeup couldn’t cover up :(. Others explained it below but they are changing because of not being prepared and it could be that something altered Spock differently than Bones, the explanation that he is reverting is their guessing. At least that is what I see it as. I really hope there is fan fiction about the woman having a child with Spock and there is some way she can go to another place (not isolated) or time and raise his children. So there is interbreeding but it seems it isn’t common but does happen and sometimes assisted, but a future pan panspermia (and in ToS) kind of provide allowance - as Simone put it humanoid commonalities.

Brent bmc_comix

Getting caught up! Love TOS so much and had a great time going on this "Trek" with you guys! :)

Ian Tellam

The guy in the prison who explains to Kirk about the 'preparation' says it changes "our cell structures and brain patterns" so the change is psychological as well as physiological. Presumably then, being in the past also gradually changes brain patterns as well. Spock doesn't lose the knowledge of his mental training, (and Bones doesn't lose the knowledge of his medical training) - but mental conditioning is more than just learning knowledge,. It's like learning to meditate, it takes practice to be able to achieve that mental state - even if you know it in theory you still have to practice doing it. Spock doesn't lose the theory but the practiced ability to do it diminishes due to the changes in his 'brain patterns'. McCoy might also lose some practiced abilities, but it wouldn't be as dramatic or they just didn't come up in the episode.

Patrick - Excelsior

In Star Trek, General Order 4 is a directive that prohibits Starfleet personnel from informing undiscovered intelligent life-forms about the existence of other worlds or intelligent life outside of their own.

Angela D. Mitchell

First off, thanks to both of you, George and Simone, for this lovely reaction trip through TOS. I loved the combination of Simone's visible love of Star Trek (and her delighted giggle at the little references or canon moments), with your thoughtful reactions as a newcomer. Fun stuff from both of you. Meanwhile, oh, man, I'm so glad I didn't skip the final (first) episode! I've kind of been hitting the high points with y'all on TOS but it felt wrong to skip the last one (very glad you put it first here), so I went ahead and watched, and oh lord, the comedy! The Shatnering! So much Shatnering! And I say this with love -- I love the guy, and think he's actually underrated as an actor. He can be genuinely terrific and subtle. I have defended Shatner across the decades for his many great performances (you guys should absolutely see his classic Twilight Zone episode (S5E3, "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet"). But let's face it, Shatner can also give us what we got here -- overacting YOU CAN SEE FROM SPACE, and you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way. I laughed out loud so many times in this episode, and I know it's wrong, but damn, it was fun. Your reactions were priceless! Meanwhile, "All Our Yesterdays" (another Shakespeare reference!) was a great way to end your watchthrough. I liked this one -- it was so interesting that barely any of it takes place on the ship -- and with a limited budget they did truly manage to make it feel REALLY cold. I found it bittersweet that we ended on an emotional Spock -- it felt like a deserved moment for him. He has had so few chances to express emotion and I feel like this was unexpected and rather bittersweet. The actress who played Zarabeth in the penultimate episode is, as others mentioned, the wonderful Mariette Hartley, one of my favorite actresses. She was always sort of real and natural -- very funny, and so gorgeous. She won an Emmy for an episode of "The Incredible Hulk" when I was a kid that was so romantic and moving that it seriously scarred me for life. She's had one of those careers where she just steadily did a ton of guest roles and movies across decades of TV and was in literally everything -- Star Trek, Gunsmoke, The Twilight Zone, Dr. Kildare, MASH, Columbo, Love Boat, etc. She also did a series of hugely famous commercials for Polaroid (over 300!) in the 70s and 80s with James Garner that were so charming and natural (just the two of them bickering good-naturedly) that millions of people thought they were married.