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Star Trek TNG: 116-118 (Patreon)

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2025-07-30 12:00:06
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2026-01-08 02:35:52
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Episodes: Too Short a Season, When the Bough Breaks, Home Soil

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gfixler

Star Trek day! ❤️

gfixler

Also, I remember waiting 11 years for the Cibeboops crew to get to TNG. How are we already 18 episodes in?!

Data Cable

3 per week, that's how.

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy Says Happy Halloween Grrr Argh

Okay time of the week for another “sssfuck” haha. Jesting aside “Too Short A Season” was the first TNG episode I ever saw back in my pre-teen days so it’s a trip to check it out in this context all these years later ☺️

Data Cable

Karnas in "Too Short A Season" was played by Michael Pataki, who we previously saw in "The Trouble with Tribbles" as the Klingon who provoked Scotty into starting the bar brawl.

Mike W

As much as I love TNG I do find this first season a bit weak. I would usually skip it on a rewatch. Nice to see other people's reaction to it though

WayneC

"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon."

Imthecatman

It's trash, for the most part..and I say that as a big fan of pre-discovery Trek

BubblyRainbows

About the Itsy Bitsy Spider nursery rhyme. My Uncle used to sing two more verses of it, and the second and third, if I recall correctly, are about the spider biting and killing mom, and then killing the baby in the crib too.

SavyJones

. . . . SPACE . . . .

SavyJones

I thought that was Hector Salamanca

Tall Paul

George, it is 1,2,3 engage on Star Trek day!

Deano 42

I've been waiting for him to figure that out ... missed opportunity on his part.

Mastervodo

I am loving Ssssssp....fuck Wednesdays!

Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson

I'm trying to catch up on the movie reactions and now you throw in TNG. No way I'm ever going to finish lol 🤓

GAB

The Federation obviously forgot about the silicon-based Horta on Janus VI (TOS: "Devil in the Dark").

Andi Herr

Not sure if this has been suggested before, but you please react to the bloopers after each season?

David Szoke

The YT intakes are pretty funny

GAB

While the usual consensus is that silicon-based life is not possible due to its more limited chemistry than carbon, experiments and theory do suggest that minerals such as the clay montmorillonite and iron pyrite (fool's gold) might have been essential for the development of life on Earth. We shouldn't rule out the possibility that life elsewhere is not carbon-based. The NASA definition of life is "a self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution". Even the phrase "chemical system" might be too limiting. Perhaps "pattern" might be a better choice if the substrate were not chemical.

Doug

"I'm not even gonna try it this time" Meanwhile George nails it first try

Chase Lonnergan

"When the Bough Breaks" is one of the most significantly frustrating episodes in TNG. The solution is so incredibly obvious right from the beginning, and NOBODY thinks of it. It annoys the absolute crap out of me every time I watch it.

Joe Stacey

It's not "ring around the rosie", it's "ring a ring o' roses"

Mastervodo

One thing to note on "Home Soil". When Data is in the lab, the laser fires at Data and then he dodges. Which means, it is canon that Data can move faster than the speed of light.

Mastervodo

"Ring around the Rosies" - rash connected with bubonic plague. "Pocket full of posies" - flowers people carried to ward off the smell of the disease. "Ashes, Ashes. We all fall down" - cremating bodies. Everybody dead. Plague. Fun times.

TomGas2025

The planetname Aldea sounds almost like the.portugues Word for Village = Aldeia.

Robert Cooper

So, theoretically they won't fuse into the chair because on TNG the transporters have safeguards for that and would beam them back. There is an incident like this on Enterprise with the older transporters where someone gets beamed during a windstorm and ends up with leaves and twigs embedded in them.

Jomero

I don't know why in the Federation that the second you are promoted to the rank of "Admiral" you become a selfish, stubborn, intolerant, ignorant, impatient, asshole. It's a recurring theme in all of Trekdom, over and over.

Alan Kobb

You commented that Too Short A Season was about "just another cold war episode about arming both sides". Actually, this episode came out in 1988 as the Iran-Contra scandal became public. In this scandal, at a time when Iraq was still friendly of the US, in an attempt to buy freedom for terrorist hostages, members of the Reagan administration in the US secretly sold arms to Iran, which was at war with Iraq. Hardly shockingly, the terrorists kept on going back on their promises to return the hostages, and Reagan;s people kept on shipping more arms, hoping that eventually they would get the hostages back, and once this all became public, Iraq started acting against the US's interests and eventually we went to war against Iraq. In the end, both countries were still angry at each other, but faound peace over their common enemy, the country that armed them against each-other. The similarity to this episode was certainly intended.

Thomas Yanez

Guinea pigs don't eat their own babies. You're thinking of hamsters. Hamsters will go to town on their whole progeny at the drop of a hat. Stress is a bitch for hamsters.

Dan

1:51:51 Now that's the time to attack the Enterprise - Data and La Forge both push their consoles away and get up at the same time, while the tactical and other officers at the back of the bridge are also swapping over. Got to be worth a free shot or two.

Robert Cooper

Re tone at the end of episodes, "Close with smile-on-the-bridge" was part of Gene's episode structure bible going back to TOS. It doesn't always work, and it goes away after season 1.

Henchmen21

It's interesting to see George's takes on these considering he's liked ones that the general fandom has considered weak or mid tier at best. It's going to be fun seeing his top 5 for season 1

Dan

I don't think the writers did though :)

Henchmen21

Well, it's simply training. Without going too spoilery it is shown that all officers no matter what field their in undergo at least minimal firearm (or would that be phaserarm in this case lol) training with those going into the security side getting more extensive training

PIG

The two that George enjoyed are some of my favorite S1 episodes. When talking to students, I bring up "When the Bough Breaks" every time I talk about AI growing and taking over, why they need to still go to school and keep trying. I also mention "ugly bags of mostly water" when talking about animals and humans in the bio sections of class, how we view life at the most basic levels. I also felt pushback and scoffing from other Trek fans when mentioning the two episodes. It's like different worlds, and I really like that you brought it up!

Pearl Jam

Home Soil makes me think of the reverse of the crystal entity attacking Data’s home planet in Datalore.

gfixler

Hello, fellow ugly bags of mostly water. I had forgotten about that one.

Jpsynergy

Three chances to get the Space timing right this week. I believe in you Simone. edit: You got this, next week. Good job George lol

p0sthum4n

Lmao knew I recognized her. The chick from Aldea is Sou Ellen Mishky from Seinfeld.

Henchmen21

Not just Gene though. Go look back at tv from the 50s/60s/70s. It's just how it was done. Finally we started to see pushback on that by the 80s and by the 90s it had stopped.

KnittingHaven

I always thought London Bridge is falling down and Jack and Jill were a bit dark, too, even as a child. But then, you know, the original version of fairy tales are all pretty horrific. I've read psychology stuff about that, like how horror stories like that help children learn to deal with scary reality or something like that. Also, the third boy in the group that was kidnapped, who never spoke, is Wil Wheaton's younger brother.

Zero Cochrane

George, with that 40K reference. Nice 👍

FranciscoGios

I consider myself a FULL bag of water not half or nearly empty but a FULL nasty bag of water.

The Real Andrew Kim

As for the engineer role that George asked about, the only hint I'll give is you have already met them and they are in almost every episode.

Nick

“Ring Around the Rosie” is not about a plague, it’s about the plague (as in, the Black Death…bubonic plague). Ring around the rosie refers to a symptom of the plague (body rashes), pocket full of posies to the posies (small bouquets) of herbs carried to ward off the smell of death/rotting, and ashes ashes we all fall down is about dying).

Thomas Larsen

If youre happy and you know it count 1 - 2 -3 *clap* 🎶 😖

Spacedone

When you look into fairy tales and nursery rhymes and their origins, they're pretty much all about some dark and weird subjects if they existed before the 20th Century. It's also surprising how old some of them are.

Thall

I can't wait for you to get further in. So many actors you now know from Breaking Bad / Better Call Saul alone!

The Real Andrew Kim

I'm gonna guess the movie George hints at at the end is Project Hail Mary. I was at the comic con Hall H panel for that last week and its one of the movies I am most looking forward to next year!

p0sthum4n

The braless wonder herself. And also the captain from Starship Troopers, now that I think about it.

Michael Kemmet

SIMONE: At the beginning of the intro, there's a continuous pitch. After a few seconds, the melody from the original series starts as single, long notes The first note happens just after the moon eclipses the Earth. "Space..." begins just after the start of the 6th note.

WastedPo

It's almost revelatory watching these TNG season 1 episodes. I spent my life actively avoiding rewatching the first season as I was pretty sure it was all terrible. And while some of the episodes do fit that description, on the whole, the writing and execution of this season is way better than I remembered.

Watchout4J.Who

I've always rationalised that Troi wouldn't be able to sense across large distance, but through viewscreen her abiltity to read people would still exceed the average person's ability as she has experienced emotions and facial expressions in tandem, so while you can sense someone might be deceiving you but it's a guess in any situation, she has a history of knowing exactly when someone's face is deceptive even absent their mental impression because of distance. It's almost like watching with Closed Captioning vs Subtitles, there's just slightly more information and it tends to be explicitly stated for her.

SbE

Yup, George, definitely looking forward to that movie, too

James Wilson

When TNG is over, I expect a full montage of every time Simone attempted to time "Space." Make it so!

Henchmen21

Oh I know. I watched TNG when it originally aired so I was around for the early internet forum days and saw all the vitriol slung at the first 2 seasons. It's interesting and fun seeing first timers coming in to ST and seeing how much different their opinions on it have been than what I saw all those years ago.

MacGuffinStuff

This is what is so great about my Wednesdays now, Star Trek Day. It's a thing. I don't think I'd ever seen any of these 3 episodes before, I've only watched the show, all the shows, usually just random rerun episodes when I happened to still be awake. But these episodes, I'm just gonna be rewatching this show for the rest of my life, not all the time, but often 😂

Basilisk

There's a reason that I say that Star Trek is science fiction, and Star Wars is science fantasy lol

Pearl Jam

And one of the girls that never spoke is his younger sister.

JoeNotCharles

I just realized that the negotiator in Too Short a Season is pretty much Kirk: giving weapons to both sides and then leaving is almost exactly what Kirk did in "A Taste of Armageddon", when he wrecked the computers that were simulating wars, and he feels like "half a man" until he can be in command of a starship again. (Plus he really, really wants to beam down and lead his own away team.)

Graham Mills

"Ring around the rosie" was (at least as far back as the '70s in the UK - When I were a lad) originally "Ring, a ring of roses" meaning the same as above. "Ashes, ashes" was "Atishoo, atishoo" - onomatopoeia of sneezing.

RogueRN

I’m sure someone else has posted/requested this but just in case: if we don’t get a ‘super cut’ of all of Simone’s attempts to say the opening lines of these TNG episodes, I’m going to be very, very disappointed. ;)

Guts

Tried to remember where the heck I knew Radu from. The answer is X-Files.

Guts

2 good epsiodes and the last one was a banger. Is it me or does season 1 at its best have something that we don't get anymore after season 2? It's like a different less refined flavor than later seasons if you will. I love it.

This Justin

TNG was basically made on a nonstop TV schedule. They did around 26 episodes a season, and each episode usually took about a week to shoot. So while one was filming, another was being edited, another was being prepped, and future scripts were still being worked on. It was more of a constant production machine.

This Justin

You guys should take a look at MASH*. It’s insanely funny while also being really dramatic. The finale was, and still is, one of the most-watched episodes in TV history. It’s based around a real historical event, the Korean War, and I think you guys would absolutely love it. The show can go from almost tear-jerking to roll-on-the-floor funny, sometimes in the same 22-minute episode. It’s amazing how well they managed to write that balance. And the finale is on a whole other level.