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The Fantastic Four: First Steps (Patreon)

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2025-10-05 12:00:08
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Marko T.

Interesting that you did this before the 2007 movie. This takes many things from that.

dudewheresmycar

Any reason you guys skipped Thunderbolts? First Steps is great but Thunderbolts was the best MCU movie in years.

Jaaahn

does it? all i remember from the 07 one is how bad it was lol. what does it take from it?

Jeff K.

Obligatory “hey Ben Grimm is played by Ebon Moss-Bachrach who has won two Emmys for his role on The Bear so this feels like another reminder to watch that” comment

Marko T.

I can't really say without posting spoilers. I don't think Simone has seen it. It had similar scenes.

Jaaahn

similar scenes doesnt mean it takes from that movie specifically though.. theyre both about the same villains from the same source material. and its not a spoiler to say silver surfers in it cause its in the title of the 07 movie.

TheLeftPecOfTheLord

Please please add Thunderbolts (2025) to the list, it’s complimentary to this movie in many ways and also is one of the best MCU Films since Endgame

Funkachute

Just fyi it's the need your own copy version at both links

Maya

Think that just comes with the territory of using the same villain. Wouldn’t say it takes much from the 2000s film

Patrick

Is it me or are both the links the 'need-your-own-copy' videos?

Temba His Arms Wide

Not just both links are need your own copy, but the uploads on the site as well.

Patrick

Glad i'm not going crazy.

Cinebinge

yeah sorry wrong file connected. fixing now. 5 mins.

Cinebinge

yeah sorry wrong file connected. fixing now. 5 mins.

Cinebinge

yeah sorry wrong file connected. fixing now. 5 mins.

Patrick

Muchos gracias

Marko T.

My issue with this movie is the lack of action. I wanted to see Fantastic Four using their powers more. I wish some things in the opening montage had been actual scenes.

Cinebinge

okay fixed, should be good now.

Cinebinge

okay fixed, should be good now.

Cinebinge

okay fixed, should be good now.

Jeff K.

Yeah, agreed. Basically, you can't have Galactus without the Silver Surfer so they were always gonna have a similarity.

Jaaahn

doesnt thunderbolts make references to a bunch of preceding films and shows? some of which also references things that came before it? so its like a chain of homework to do to watch 1 movie.

Jaaahn

yeah i dont think its taking from 07, they just both use the same source material.

Jeff K.

This movie has a surprisingly large number of Game of Thrones alums. Pedro, obviously, and Mark Gatiss (the TV host at the beginning of the movie; he played the guy from the Iron Bank in GoT), as well as Ralph Ineson (who voices Galactus, and was one of the Iron Born who turns on Theon after they take Winterfell), and Joseph Quinn (Johnny Storm; he has a very, very small role as one of the guards who tries to stop Arya at the gates when she finally gets back to Winterfell).

Jaaahn

i mean this is earth 828 sooo... main timeline still has a galactus untouched.

pretzels4wetzel

Is that the Jane Austen LEGO set on Simone’s printer?

Brandon

I like this movie a lot. It comes really close to great for me. Especially since the MCU has been kind of lackluster these days. I love the aesthetic of the retro-futuristic 1960's SO MUCH that I wish the entire MCU always looked like this. I think you guys would have a good time reacting to 'Thunderbolts', though. I found it interesting that Superman(2025) drops us right into the middle of an established world with no prologue and I don't feel like I was missing anything. This movie gives us an actual prologue to re-introduce us to the Fantastic Four. Unlike Superman, I actually felt like something was missing. I think it's because Galactus is a major Marvel villain. When he shows up in the comics, it's usually a big crossover event with build-up to it. It would be like if James Gunn gave us Doomsday or Darkseid in his first Superman movie. I know about the basic plans they have for Dr. Doom going forward. It's just so weird for him not to be in the first F4 movie in the MCU until a post-credits scene. On top of that, I get the sense that this version of the F4 have never heard of Dr. Doom at all. Still, I'm curious to see where they eventually go with this. I'm guessing they sent Galactus to the main MCU and it will have serious consequences. You guys will eventually see Joseph Quinn (Johnny Storm) in Stranger Things. I'm betting $1000 that Simone won't recognize him when the time comes. I've never heard anyone compare him to Robert Downey Jr. before. 😂

Opti_Frog

My issue with this movie was that the whole plot hinged on a version of the Trolley Problem.

Jaaahn

isnt that just most super hero movies? save X or save Y, then they end up doing both.

Opti_Frog

Maybe i missed something, but the Trolley Problem ruined this movie for me. The obvious solution was to give up Franklin to Galactus. It wasn't even made clear how Galactus would use the baby to end his hunger, so in this version of the Trolley Problem, pulling the lever might result in NO deaths whatsoever. But risking billions of lives versus one life? There's no choice there. In my eyes, FF chose to be selfish, immoral and very un-superhero-like, at which point i stopped caring. Obviously the script- and story writers (eight of them!) thought this was a clever moral dilemma to put their characters in. But then they never made their heroes defend their choice in any meaningful way. I was interested to se what Sue would say to the mob of people in her "rousing" speech, but it can't have been much in the way of explaining their choice because i can't remember a word she said. The fact that her waffling on placated the mob was completely unbelievable to me. Also, Pedro Pascal is such a boring actor. 😛

Jaaahn

i dont know if you realize this, but the point of the trolley problem isnt actually to find the optimal solution. the point isnt to actually to have a definitive 'best option'.. its meant to be an emotional problem. and thats what this movie did. on paper, from the outside, it makes sense go give up 1 baby for all of earth. but in person, as Sue makes her speech, when you ask parents to actually sacrifice their child, its not so easy- and it becomes a slippery slope to the virgin in the volcano situation, potentially turning their world into "The Lottery". Reed knows this, thats why he struggles, and even contemplated the 'optimal choice' scientifically, and the fact that it was his own child made it even more impossible to do and unthinkable. the whole point is that its not suppose to be logical on paper, but reasonable and understandable, and the fact that both options are not acceptable to our heroes, who then carves out a third path, is what makes them heroes. you say "theres no choice here", thats the point, both options are awful at different levels, so they made a third option that turned out best.

Foodassassin4life

Best MCU movie in the years, really? Deadpool and Wolverine literally came out last year which is now part of the MCU. I don't know if they're going to ever make any more Deadpool or Wolverine movies or have them in any other movies, but it's clear that that was the best MCU movie in years compared to the Thunderbolts

Foodassassin4life

People call bullshit into Pedro Pascal's supposed anxiety and his solution to relieve it by getting touchy-feely with one of his co-stars because you never see him do that with any of the male Co-stars. It's always female Co-stars usually his romantic counterpart or opposite female lead. Whether it's something innocent or actually him using his "anxiety" as a reason to be laying hands on these women, I don't know and I really don't care but that's where most people's doubts of him come from

Jaaahn

im not saying you have to care but theres images of him holding oscar isaac and alexandar skarsgard at events. one reason why its mostly female costars is simple, men generally dont like to be touched, especially by other men. women might be more comfortable with being openly supportive, with physical gestures of affection. its unlikely for a woman to think "hold your hand? nah thats gay bro" lol. and lets be real here, not exactly a risky bet to assume more women find Pedro Pascal attractive than men.

steezo jckson

galactus is a fantastic four villain that gets defeated by just them all the time he’s never been a gigantic team up villain that takes every hero to defeat

Basil Hazzard

Simone, The gold records are the recordings of the 'radio signal' that Reed mentioned they were recieving from outer space.The gold records are the movies take on the future retro aestetic.

Steve Mercier

Not to start an internet war here, but...Jesus Christ! Asking any parent to give up their child for the greater good is in fact the worst evil once you factor in actual human emotions. Once you factor in love. The trolley problem does not represent the human experience--one versus five or one versus ten billion does not represent good or evil. Optimization is not good. It's just efficient. Love is not efficient. True love is unselfish--towards the thing you love--but is selfish as hell towards everything else. But also: sacrifice isn't efficient either. Shalla-Bal sacrificed herself for the greater good of her people, but went on to sacrifice billions or trillions of other people. Is that good? And if they had sacrificed Franklin, and Galactus has transferred his hunger to the child, then Franklin would have become the new Galactus, and presumably would have went on eating planets and people. Is that good? Or was the actual good to defeat the true selfish perpetrator--the one who destroyed billions and trillions for his own needs? Whatever your asnwers, I would say this: I don't have children, but if someone told me I had to sacrifice my dog for the greater good I'd tell them to go...well, hopefully I made my point. The trolley problem is an exercise, not the actual solution. But hey...I'm not trying to start an internet war here. Please keep that in mind. :]

Maddy

The recordings Johnny is listening to are from the beginning of the movie. He walks in on Reed listening to deep space transmission, Reed then asks H.E.R.B.I.E. to record them. The camera pans to a "record player" type machine with gold records, presumably designed for recording rather than playing.

Tcrimson05T

"That's the guy from Andor" wait.....have they not watched The Bear 🐻? If not, we have failed as a community.

Johanna Caulfield

I love "fix the breaks" solutions to the Trolley Problem.

Jaaahn

exactly, which is what they did in the movie, fix what imposed the problem in the first place!

Foodassassin4life

Again, like I said I don't really have an opinion on whether he has anxiety or not and a lot of people push the narrative that he only ever does this with female co-stars I didn't know and I still don't know if he actually did do that with those male co-stars but if he did and he actually does anxiety that puts that notion to bed of him being a creep or whatever people call him. Again I've never seen any of those pictures or footage of him doing that with male co-stars, I don't even have a stake in this I was just relaying to Simone and George why people are kind of bad-mouthing him at this point?

Jaaahn

yeah no we get it, you dont have an opinion or care. but you will happily help spread a rumor and accusation based on nothing. so thats why im bringing up counter points, as oppose to just let your accusation, sorry, not yours as youve repeated so many times, but your repeating of other peoples accusations against someone no one here knows. what this accusation DOES do however, is also invalidates the women in those photos, as if they can't decide for themselves whether they want to do something as simple as hold his hand or not, like they cant detect if someones being genuine or not and needs randoms on 4chan and reddit to tell them. oh, and again, its not your opinion, youre just repeating other peoples.

blerbaberpaterb

lmao, classic 'say a thing but take no responsibility' tactic. "iTs nOt mE wHo sAyS tHiS". but you are saying it. "bUt iTs nOt mY oPiNiOn, i jUsT lIkE tO rEpEaT iT"

Robert Cooper

I don't think that was Katherine Hahn, but Agatha Harkness was originally a FF villain. I'd think they'd make a bigger deal.

Jasbro

It was quite obvious that portal was going to lead somewhere and that somewhere is probably going to be the main MCU universe, there is noway they'd waste such an iconic villain on the very first FF movie.

Brandon

Especially with George's frequent mentioning for his love and talent for cooking, we really have failed. 🤣

Jasbro

They would need to watch Falcon and the Winter soldier show at the very least before watching Thunderbolts otherwise they'd have no clue who Wyatts character is or his backstory, i think they've seen the Black Widow movie though.

schnoobs

the post credit scene was filmed during the filming of Avengers: Doomsday thats why the trivia said that it was directed by the Russo brothers and that it was actually RDJ in the Doom costume

Carlos

Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't all that. It was fun for sure, but like No Way Home it's carried by memberberries

BoredLittleLady

So it wasn’t bakers chocolate. It must have been like over 70% dark then. I recommend next time combine it with fruit for sweetness. It’s great you guys went ahead and watched this movie and that’s that you liked it. You know, Vanessa Kirby is in a Fast and Furious spinoff movie Hobbs and Shaw. And of course, people have mentioned that Joseph Quinn is a beloved actor after he starred in Season 4 of Stranger Things.

Jenny_M

This movie is so much fun, and I'm glad you two enjoyed it as well. Keep an eye out for Johnny's actor when you get to Stranger Things Season 4 - he's hard to miss, even if he's in a very different wig!

Jenny_M

Yes! The fallacy of the Trolley Problem lies in the assumption that there are only two possible outcomes.

Jef Etters

I have been so burnt out on Marvel that I had zero interest in Avengers Doomsday. But this was so good. If Superman 2025 is a modern movie being comic booky, this is a period piece being exactly like the 60’s comic. It was so refreshing to just be in that world, I don’t think I realized how tired I was of “modern, semi-realistic” comic book movies.

CT

They have to watch Black Widow, at least. Knowing Yelena is vital to Thunderbolts. It's only a single movie, so not that much of an ask.

Lycowolf

Wonder if you guys will give Thunderbolts derbolts a shot soon. It's just as good if not better than First Steps

Jeff K.

Well, in fairness, they only wasted Kang because of Jonathan Majors's legal troubles. If he'd never committed domestic violence, they never would have veered away from him, regardless of what Feige is saying now about how they were already thinking about shifting gears.

Jeff K.

And George has experience working in kitchens. That's the biggest reason I want to see their reaction to that show, since I've read and heard so many people who've worked in professional kitchens talk about how real it feels and that it almost gives them PTSD from how accurate it is.

Divinerights

Yep. It’s how they know planets have been going missing, because they know they used to be there and were sending out messages

Jeff K.

So I'm only watching the cut version; for anyone who watched the uncut, did they recognize Dr. Sharon from Ted Lasso as the chief of staff/PR-type person for the Fantastic Four in this?

Jeff K.

Not to go down this rabbit hole too much but I do find it interesting that the only people that I've seen calling Pedro creepy or suggesting his anxiety is bullshit are people on the internet. I've never seen a single one of his co-stars talk about him in anything but glowing fashion, and NONE of them, to my knowledge, have ever expressed discomfort or accused him of being inappropriate. I've also seen clips (I think one was at Comic-Con) where Vanessa Kirby, specifically, clearly noticed him getting anxious and nervous on stage and reach out and take his hand and rub his arm to help calm him down because, wild idea here, but they're friends, have talked about his anxiety, and she is comfortable with it and wanted to help him calm himself down.

Tcrimson05T

We have to correct that. After Andor is wrapped, all hands on deck for the bear 🐻

Jeff K.

I mean, he was literally found guilty on two counts of domestic violence in 2023 and had to enroll in a domestic violence prevention program in order to avoid jail time but sure, ok. (To be clear: I think Majors is an amazing actor. He was an absolute revelation in Lovecraft Country and I thoroughly enjoyed his performance in Loki. But that doesn't change the fact that he's a troubled guy with a history of putting hands on women and has admitted as much. Settling out of court doesn't mean he didn't do it; it means they reached an agreement that satisfied both parties to avoid further public legal crap.)

Inkpendude

I want them to watch the bear, but only season 1 lol

Jeff K.

I feel like an idiot, because I'd always looked at the Trolley Problem in purely black and white (as in, there's no nuance, there are only two solutions). But y'all have blown my mind a bit by making me realize that the option to attempt to fix the train is always on the table, but never presented as a solution.

Anamondaris

I think they’re saving a lot of the action stuff for Doomsday and Secret Wars. I’m sure we’ll see Reed’s stretchy powers much more in those.

Anamondaris

The end credits scene wasn’t just shot for this. They were shooting Doomsday and it’s a scene from that. Oh, also please watch Thunderbolts💜

Jeff K.

Would definitely love to have them watch Thunderbolts. I know, some of the characters might be confusing to them (John Walker, Red Guardian, potentially even Val) since they've existed primarily in the TV universe - well, other than Red Guardian - but I haven't seen Black Widow or all of the TV shows (I did watch Falcon and Winter Soldier and Hawkeye), and I think Thunderbolts does a pretty adequate job explaining who everyone is.

Robert Carter

I expect that there will be a Galactus in 616 as he is a universal constant. The Fantastic 4’s knowledge of him will be used to defeat him and the 616 version will have Norrin as his Surfer

Jeff K.

Oh by the way: since y'all recently wrapped up Better Call Saul, the Silver Surfer is one of the reason that Rhea Seehorn never won an Emmy for playing Kim. Julia Garner, who played this version of Silver Surfer, beat her for an Emmy in 2022 for her role on the show Ozark (Rhea's first time being nominated), and Jennifer Coolidge beat Rhea the next year. Freakin' Silver Surfer and Stifler's Mom spoiling things for our girl Kim. The nerve. The audacity. (Sidenote: lots of uproar over a woman Silver Surfer, but this version, Shalla-Bal, is straight from the comics.)

Donna Castellano

IIRC, they said it'd be thousands of years before Galactus would be a threat again. At least they didn't stupidly kill him off.

CT

No, they didn't.

Shawn B

Initial thoughts: "Flame Boy" looks like Mark Zuckerburg "Rock Guy" looks like Bert Kreischer Invisible Woman looks like Harcourt from Peacemaker IMO Also, throwing in "Willow" (1988) for subliminal message's sake.

COREY Ervin Scott-Johnson

I don't think Jonny would be useless in space. I believe in the comic, his powers are considered to be that of a star. So if he switches from burning oxygen to nuclear, like the Sun, I think he could still use his powers. Even in the previous movies, they said he can burn as hot as the Sun.

funky weapon

the dude is just explaining where the noise is coming from. do you also believe that whomever smelt it, dealt it?

Corabal

If people havent said who it is, (I'm not going to) The actor playing Johnny Storm will become relevant later, possibly next year

Christina Bee

I cant believe I've never noticed how much Joseph Quinn looks like RDJ lol holy crap

James W.

I skipped this in theaters and regret it. It is very good and for me one of the best of the MCU. better than many of the Infinity Saga that people seem so attached to. It's crazy they introduced how dumb powerful Franklin is off jump. He is like one of the most dangerous entities in all universes basically. If this and Thunderbolts set the standard for writing and performances in the films going forward that would be a nice reset to the MCU. Agatha, Loki, Shang-Chi and No Way Home being probably the best of the pre-2025 MCU, post Infinity Saga, stuff, like if that was the floor and FF was the trajectory, I would be very happy. Edit: From George's comment at end credits, The Reed from Multiverse of Madness is a different Earths Reed. Everyone there died, but could be used in more multiverse casting shenanigans. That being said, I hope Doomsday and Secret Wars put an end to the Multiverse in the MCU, at least for awhile. It tanks the stakes of the stories a bit. @Simone the gold records thing I think is also a reference to the golden records we sent on one of out extra-solar probe, I forget which one but here's a link may help: https://science.nasa.gov/mission/voyager/voyager-golden-record-overview/ It is such a specificly nerdy easter egg, which feeds a specific nerd, that I guess I am. Since the FF in their world kind of takes the place of NASA and such, it is like they are recording transmissions from space and Johnny's focus or interest is on that. He is more of an smarty pants Astronaut in this than in previous iterations where he was just the hotheaded and impetuous youth. I really like how they handled Johnny because that character can be very one-note. The same for making Ben not being sulky and depressed like MCU Eeyore. Ben is the glue, he cooks and he cares for everyone. Casting is dope on everyone. The internet whining and comic purists can truly suck it with their thoughts on the subject. The animation at the end is inspired by the 60s FF animations but is the MCU version. As an 50 year old comic nerd who watched those on bootleg VHS in the 90s it was fun to seas. Swimming in a seas of nostalgia.

Thomas Cunningham

You guys were either talking or weren't paying attention so you missed a couple things. Reed was recording the deep space transmissions they were receiving on the gold records, and Johnny was taking them for study. A you also missed a line that Reed said as the Surfer was chasing them, that the black hole was only meant to trap her for a month. Not kill her.

Jeff K.

Unfortunately, lots of people have already said where they'll see him. I mean, they might already know, since he became very famous at that point because he was a breakout performer, but a little bit of a bummer that folks couldn't keep things at least mildly vague.

Kev T

For me, this is the most enjoyable MCU movie for a very long time. I saw this & Superman in theaters on the same day, and I enjoyed this far more. I wish they'd waited until August to release this movie, and the box office gross might have been better.

Shawn B

So, the gold records, they showed how Mr Fantastic uses them at 24:00 mins in, before they introduced the teleportation device.

James W.

If Marvel can keep it together the new phases and stories could so good. They had some brights spots in the post-infinite saga stuff but this and Thunderbolts are really solid. Disney said their were going to slow down and put quality over quantity basically, so I hope they stick to it.

James W.

I was gonna post about the 70% dark thing too, I am glad we are keeping the dark chocolate discussion going through multiple posts. I like 70% dark chocolate but I also like black licorice, so my opinion is tainted.

Ben Stevens

Earth 616- MCU "sacred timeline" - as MSFF mentions below, this is also the main comic continuity Earth 828- FF retro timeline Earth 838- Multiverse of Madness futuristic timeline

Justin Leone

I think any image of Galactus holding a planet in his hand is just poetic license. He's generally portrayed as being more or less the size that he is in this movie. Though his size does change (canonically) as his power wanes. I remember one story where he tries to feed on earth, but is defeated by the FF, Dr. Strange, and the Avengers, and his size gradually diminishes. And then Reed saves him for... reasons. But I don't think he's ever depicted (in a way that's meant to be taken literally) as being the size of a planet.

Ashton Lewis

* Spoilers Ahead * I'm still watching your reaction, so I'm not sure if you figure this out before the end, but Galactus being attached to those tubes on his ship was him "eating" that planet he had just destroyed. All of that lava (or whatever it was) was being extracted from the core of that planet, and the tubes were feeding it into him. Loving the reaction so far!

Ben Stevens

*edited for correction also the ABC/Fox/Netflix/Sony Universes don't really follow the numbering per se, but here are some other known alternate universes of note: Earth 1218- this is "our" earth, where superheroes are fictional characters Earth 65- Spider-Gwen's home universe Earth 688- Sony Spider/Venom-verse (Andrew Garfield is Peter Parker) Earth 96283- Raimi Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire) Earth 1610- the "ultimate" universe, where Miles Morales and the Spider-verse movies *should* be happening 1610B- where the animated Spider-Verse is *actually* happening Earth 10005- Original X-Men cinematic timeline, before Days of Future Past 10005 Revised- everything after DoFP (Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, New Mutants, and Deadpool 1 & 2) Earth 121698- Fox FF (2005 & 2007) timeline

Opti_Frog

Luciano and Steve, i don't mind at all that you disagree with me. Mostly i just wanted to vent some of my frustrations with the movie. I'm usually the one defending Marvel. 😄 I'm not completely well right now, so i won't write any lengthy rebuttal. There are plenty of versions of the Trolley Problem (thought experiments in ethics and psychology, actually) where i have no clue how i would act in a real-life situation. The situation in the movie is slightly more convoluted and unclear, but boiled down to the horrific extinction of every life on Earth in one hand and your one child in the other? No contest. Steve, you only factor in the emotions and trauma of the FF. What about the anguish and trauma of literally billions of people? Instead of one family losing one child, every child, mother, father, sister and brother will likely perish. Does Sue feel more grief than the entire population of the planet? You would rather risk that everything, including your dog, died than sacrifice your dog. You would doom humanity to oblivion because you love your dog. I can't even begin to describe how disturbing that notion is to me. That's emotion as weapon of mass destruction. No war. 😋

JayF

*Spoilers* The first 20 mins had me ready to move on to something else. Then you know who showed up and things started to get interesting but.,. Why make Silver Surfer a female? If you wanted a female herald you could have gone with Nova who was actually an earthling girlfriend of Johnny's. Change her backstory a bit, have Johnny be attracted to her and it gives a little nod to comic book fans. Reed's choice to tell the world that they chose their baby over every life on earth was just poor writing. There's no way anyone with a shred of wisdom would have done that because no matter how right the decision is, you've now painted a target on your baby. If they explained why FTL travel doesn't cause many years to pass for those traveling at light speed, I missed it. Again, bad writing. Finally seeing Galactus on screen was both well done and satisfying though.

Ashton Lewis

I'm so glad you liked this. I hope that when they merge this into the MCU proper that they adopt more of the style of this sort of film, as I think we can all agree that this is a refreshing take. Also, Jack Jack is actually more like Legion, a mutant with D.I.D that has scores of different personalities, each with their own different powers, with some of them being Omega level. Franklin is something different, but equally exciting.

Ashton Lewis

Oh yeah (sorry to keep prattling on...) also, Johnny was listening to the golden recordings from space that Reed had given to him to study as Johnny is really interested in exploring space, which is why he just happened to have them. You must have missed it when it was mentioned briefly earlier on in the film. Obviously you guys have to react to the film and comment on it, as you can't be sat there silently, and the trade-off is that sometimes you'll miss a small detail like that. No biggie!

Jenny_M

Shalla-Bal was the Silver Surfer in Earth X, so it's not entirely invented for the film.

Tim Boxall

I'm not an enormously in-depth comics fan in terms of studying the lore & minutiae so I guess I'm coming in as a semi-layman....but I loved this. By far and away the best of the FF movies, and ranking very highly in the whole MCU. The retro-futurism was beautifully done and really refreshing, lifting the whole movie in itself, almost as a digestif before moving on to more MCU films. Love the whole motherhood theme that runs through the film and like you, George, I'm so very pleased to see Sue utilised in full. Another thing that I found good was the concentration on Reed being the smartest man of the planet and using his brain - not his stretching powers - until significantly far into the movie (and even then, far less than previous FFs). A good flick, while it's a shame I didn't get to experience it at the cinema (having bad epilepsy, cinema environments set me off), watching it with you both was just as good!

Foodassassin4life

Again at the start of there actual full reaction. They were wondering why people were saying that Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby were having an affair but I was informing them of the broader accusations of Pedro now. Did I say he was a fucking creep? No, I did not. Did I accuse him of actually being some kind of adulterer and his female co-stars being seduced by him no again. I was just clearing up their confusion why people are talking shit about him and now here you are talking shit to me about clearing up their misconception of rumors surrounding him

Foodassassin4life

Again at the start of there actual full reaction. They were wondering why people were saying that Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby were having an affair but I was informing them of the broader accusations of Pedro now. Did I say he was a fucking creep? No, I did not. Did I accuse him of actually being some kind of adulterer and his female co-stars being seduced by him no again. I was just clearing up their confusion why people are talking shit about him and now here you are talking shit to me about clearing up their misconception of rumors surrounding him

p0sthum4n

This isn't a movie I was remotely interested in watching in theaters, but for a lazy Sunday evening eating Chinese takeout, it's good enough to watch along with these wacky canucks.

JayF

I'm an old school comic fan and I don't get the need for the multiple earths. It's like they took the old comic "What If?" and decided to base all their stories off of it. I'd prefer original stories.

Jenny_M

Ditto, but I'm a big fan of multiple Earths. To each their own! :)

akaTheBAY-AY-RON

Per Galactus's ship he’s actually always had it in the comics. It’s called Taa II. Galactus used to be a mortal named Galen from a super-advanced planet called Taa, which existed in the universe before ours. When that old universe collapsed, he tried to escape in a ship, got hit with all the cosmic energy from the Big Bang, and was reborn as Galactus. Some versions say that same ship was transformed along with him, others say he built a new one later as a memorial to his old world, which is why it’s called Taa II. It’s basically his massive space base, lab, and home. He doesn’t actually need it to survive or travel since he can exist freely in space which is why you've definitely seen him in space without it, but he uses it as a headquarters and as part of his feeding process. The ship drains the planet's life force faster and more efficiently, tho he can do it on his own if he wants.

Justin Leone

I'm guessing that the after-credits scene that includes RDJ was an excerpt of a scene that was already shot for Doomsday, in which case it wouldn't have been a matter of bringing him or the Russo Brothers in just to film a post-credits scene that didn't require them.

Steve Mercier

But what are the further repercussions of that sacrifice? You seem to be looking at this only from a binary perspective: either we do a), or b) happens. You're not focusing on plans c) or d) or e); or, for that matter, what the consequences of a) are beyond just us. I sacrifice my dog, but for what? So that a planet eating alien can just go and eat other planets? What about them? They don't count, because they don't live here? What if Galactus told the FF that some other child -- the child of random Dick and Jane Whomever -- was the sacrifice, and not their own? They return and say, 'Hey Dick and Jane Whomever -- give up your baby because the big alien guy said so.' Are the FF heroes if they demand that sacrifice, or are they heroes if they attempt to find another solution? (Which is what they did -- they stranded Galactus on another planet without his ships, and without the tools required to eat the planet.) The actual selfiish act is not finding another solution instead of catering to the whims and desires of a power hungry alien. This requires that everyone sacrifice something -- their time and energy; instead of just one person sacrificing everything. I would rather fight the actual weapon of mass destruction; not just pawn it off on some other planet. There's a whole scene in the movie where Johnny plays the recordings of people dying to Shalla-Bal, which greatly disturbs her. She saved her planet from being doomed only to doom everyone else. I'm not willing to sacrifice my dog; but, it seems you are willing to sacrifice any other planet with sustainable life. Who is the actual weapon of mass destruction here? I find it disturbing when people only see things in binary terms. That's binary thinking as mass destruction for everyone and everything else. No war. :)

Brandon

No offense, but are we really at a point where "this actor is also in this other thing" is getting into spoiler territory?

Mysterious Science Fiction Fan

The styles of clothing, and cars, and many other contextual clues make it absolutely clear to anyone familiar with 1950s and 1960s America, that the film took place in 1964-5, with their first flight, four years previous, having been in 1961, precisely as, of course, in the real world the first U.S. astronaut in "space," Alan Shepard, was launched 300 miles up and down (no orbits). The styles are all clearly post-Jackie Kennedy, but equally clearly prior to the huge changes in styles that came in 1966-1967. This is also, of course, precisely when Marvel Comics' first "modern" comic, the FANTASTIC FOUR, premiered, in 1961 -- so we really really rally know their flight was exactly in 1961, and four years later it's 1965-ish -- again, exactly duplicating and showing or mentioning the villains of the first couple of dozen issues of the comics: Mole Man, Red Ghost and his Super-Apes, the Mad Thinker, Puppet Master, the Wizard, Diablo, etc., all of which were published between 1961 and 1964.

Mysterious Science Fiction Fan

Shalla-Bal is straight from Marvel Comics, and the Silver Surfer stories, having first appeared in The Silver Surfer #1 (August 1968). She was from Zenn-La and had been Norrin Radd's (the Silver Surfer in the comics) love. This version simply flips Shalla-Bal and Norrin Radd's roles to some degree, though it's in the comics that Norrin gifts Shalla-Bal with some of his Power Cosmic, which she used to restore life to their planet, Zenna-La, where she became Empress. "If they explained why FTL travel doesn't cause many years to pass for those traveling at light speed, I missed it. Again, bad writing. " Seriously? Like STAR WARS, and almost every other science fiction movie set in space using an FTL drive made? The "explanations" provided in rare exceptions consists of MADE-UP WORDS AND CONCEPTS. It's all fiction. None of it is science. No, not even "warp drive." Or "hyperspace." Or "using a black hole to travel." Or time travel. Etc., etc. There can't be an explanation, because in the actual real world, it isn't possible. Period. "Reed's choice to tell the world that they chose their baby over every life on earth was just poor writing. " Sorry, no. The Reed Richards of Marvel Comics could never, ever, have been anything but frank and honest with the world. It would be wildly and completely out of character if he concealed information from the public. Completely unbelievable to anyone familiar with Reed Richards. It's no different from suggesting Superman would deliberately lie and conceal information.

Mysterious Science Fiction Fan

The MCU was named Earth-199999 by Marvel Comics in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z in 2008, to distinguish it from the Marvel Universe of the comics, which is 616. Feige decided to do away with that, which leaves matters confusing for Marvel Comics readers.

Godrick

"I have no idea whos playing Johnny Storm" Strangers Things fans: "....you will..."

Jeff K.

@Brandon - you're right, it really isn't a spoiler. For me, I have to personally separate knowing anything about the show from any actors being in a given show, since I obviously know all about the character already. It's a mental hurdle to remind myself that people who haven't seen it yet don't know anything about the character.

ChiefWill15

Another vote for please watch thunderbolts Also, Johnny and the records was all explained when he first meets with reed in the lab, most of their conversation was about that before he gets to the teleport test.

JoeNotCharles

I see the exact opposite (and I thought one of the movie's 2 or 3 big flaws is they never used this obvious argument): Galactus was very clear that he wanted to pass off his curse and his hunger to the baby. So if they accept his bargain they're just replacing one planet-eater with another one. It doesn't solve anything.

JoeNotCharles

Seeing the recap, I think my opinion of this movie has improved. I really disliked the ending, because of all characters GALACTUS shouldn't be defeated by physically pushing him around. (I was also disappointed that, with all the great stylish effects in things like the Dr. Strange movies, we never got a really artistic scene of Reed Richards stretching in crazy ways like the comics have sometimes.) That coloured my memory of the movie so much how forgot how good the first 90% of it was. Mainly I was disappointed because when I watched it I was in the middle of reading Al Ewing's "The Ultimates", an excellent comic about Galactus, and of course the movie can't measure up.

dys

As far as movies trying to restart their respective superhero franchises go, I like you guys enjoyed this WAY more than Superman 2025.

CT

For G&S: If you decide to watch Thunderbolts* you really must watch Black Widow first. Yelena (Florence Pugh) is a big part of Thunderbolts* and probably the MCU going forward.

micah

their car reminds me of mon mothmas car LOL

Jimazoid

Ive been waiting to watch this when it was on a streaming service that I subscribe to, but being able to watch it with the full version made it a great experience to watch it for my first time while you both are too! I loved this movie and can't wait to see where it takes us in the Marvel Universe now.

Shibby

This was a lot better than I thought it would be.

Darren Harrison

Overall I love the movie, but there are several issues. My biggest problem with the movie....can someone explain to me why the Silver Surfer chooses inhabited planets? I don't see that explained in the movie. But it's not relevant since Marvel has said that everything post-Endgame is no longer canon. https://cosmicbook.news/avengers-doomsday-endgame-reset-rumor

Anamondaris

New Rockstars has a good prep video for it as well.

Brandon

I'm hoping James Gunn puts Plastic Man in a future DC movie and we get the crazy stretching we deserve.

Liuzetz

I absolutely loved this movie and how they were able to portrait them as a "real family". You really buy the couple, their dynamic as a group that lives together and love each other. Also, I liked we did not get another "origin story" movie and it is set a few years after their mutation so we can have a different approach and have a more impactful villain as well. I see some people complaining that Galactus would never be defeated by Sue alone but I do think it worked in here because they have not actually defeated him, just pushed him back to the portal and it was a really well done scene. About the question from Simone, they show Reed getting an alert of a new recording/transmission and it shows them recording on the golden disk (it is the scene where he is doing the bridge test). Regarding Joseph Quinn (Johnny), I know him from Stranger things but he also did Gladiator 2 and will be on the Beatles biopic. This was a really really good movie. Fun, emotional, dynamic and interesting. Really excited to how they will tie it to the rest of the universe.

Darren Harrison

It was pretty widely reported in coverage of “Doomsday”. I believe that it was a reaction to the underwhelming performance of all the post Endgame entries and the fatigue felt by audiences trying to keep up with the TV shows and interconnected movies. I’ll try and dig up one of the many articles on it

BigM

Franklin Richards is one of the 10 most powerful characters in all of Marvel comics. As a child his subconscious created a pocket universe with it's own earth-616. Those power levels are also while he is still a child and it's unknown how far his powers will reach.

Shawn B

Agreed with your agreement.

Shawn B

Curious, what does happen if Galactus is separated by his ship, in the comics? Does he starve and die?

Eversharpe

I don't think it's necessarily set in the 60s. It could just be retro futuristic sorta like Fallout, per war/

Stephanie Bedworth

I've seen Joseph Quinn, dude who plays Johnny Storm, in a few things over the years. A miniseries adaptation of Howard's End a few years ago, the last A Quiet Place movie, and one other thing. He was great in all of them.

Liuzetz

I saw those but it was always treated as a rumour. Not sure if that will be confirmed at some point but Thurnderbolts and Fantastic Four did really well and were well accepted by the general public, with both movies being treated as "Marvel's ressurection". So personally, I don't think they would throw away those stories that have been marketed as well as Marvel's new phase. What I think it could be used as justification is that not all the stories happened in the main universe, and not all will connect to the main universe.

Darren Harrison

Actually, "Fantastic Four" is considered a flop, struggling to break even with a gross of $521 million, with a $500 million break-even point. "Thunderbolts" failed to break even, losing Marvel $43 million. That's not news that I like, because I enjoyed both movies, and Florence Pugh is probably my favorite actress currently. But it is, unfortunately, a reality. Fantastic Four https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTO0eQS22c&t=163s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpRZfwVepc *Box Office Performance: A 66% drop in its second weekend was a very bad sign, indicating it wouldn't reach expected profitability. *Budget vs. Gross: With a budget over $200 million, the film needed to gross around $500 million to break even, a threshold it struggled to meet. *Audience & Critic Scores: While not terrible, the film's scores didn't justify the audience drop-off or the high budget, especially compared to other MCU successes. Reasons for the failure *Superhero Movie Fatigue: The market is saturated with superhero films, and the MCU's brand has been weakened by recent lackluster installments. *Poor Timing: The film was released too soon after another major superhero movie, Superman, making it a hard sell for audiences. *Loss of General Audience: The strong opening likely came from die-hard fans, but the steep drop-off indicates it failed to attract the broader audience necessary for a blockbuster. *Perceived Quality: The MCU brand itself was perceived as damaged after recent films like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvels. (Note: some outlets report the break-even point at $875 million due to reshoots, but I am going with the lower figure of $500 million because I don't want Fantastic Four to have lost Marvel more than $350 million: Source: https://cosmicbook.news/fantastic-four-500m-flop#:~:text=Fantastic%20Four%20Passes%20$500M,What%20is%20this?). Thunderbolts "Thunderbolts" was an even worse flop, failing to break-even at the box office: Thunderbolts was a significant financial flop, grossing around $382 million worldwide on a production and marketing budget that required $425 million to break even, with audiences and critics lamenting a drop in Marvel's event-level appeal and the team's lack of compelling characters. While the film received some positive reviews, other factors like the MCU's increased complexity, perceived decline in visual effects quality, and increased fan fatigue all contributed to its underperformance. *Final gross: The film concluded its theatrical run with a worldwide box office gross of approximately $382.4 million. *Production budget: The official production budget for Thunderbolts was reported to be $180 million. *Marketing costs: An estimated $100 million was spent on global marketing and promotion. *Break-even point: According to industry reports, the film needed to earn around $425 million globally to break even, after accounting for marketing and the percentage of ticket sales kept by theaters. *Financial loss: The movie's final gross was about $43 million short of its break-even point, meaning it lost money during its theatrical run.

Darren Harrison

Actually, "Fantastic Four" is considered a flop, struggling to break even with a gross of $521 million, with a $500 million break-even point. "Thunderbolts" failed to break even, losing Marvel $43 million. That's not news that I like, because I enjoyed both movies (I saw FF three times at the theater), and Pedro Pascal is easily my favorite actor and Florence Pugh my favorite actress currently. But it is, sadly, a reality. Fantastic Four https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTO0eQS22c&t=163s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMpRZfwVepc *Box Office Performance: A 66% drop in its second weekend was a very bad sign, indicating it wouldn't reach expected profitability. *Budget vs. Gross: With a budget over $200 million, the film needed to gross around $500 million to break even, a threshold it struggled to meet. *Audience & Critic Scores: While not terrible, the film's scores didn't justify the audience drop-off or the high budget, especially compared to other MCU successes. Reasons for the failure *Superhero Movie Fatigue: The market is saturated with superhero films, and the MCU's brand has been weakened by recent lackluster installments. *Poor Timing: The film was released too soon after another major superhero movie, Superman, making it a hard sell for audiences. *Loss of General Audience: The strong opening likely came from die-hard fans, but the steep drop-off indicates it failed to attract the broader audience necessary for a blockbuster. *Perceived Quality: The MCU brand itself was perceived as damaged after recent films like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and The Marvels. (Note: some outlets report the break-even point at $875 million due to reshoots, but I am choosing to go with the lower figure of $500 million because I don't want Fantastic Four to have lost Marvel more than $350 million: Source: https://cosmicbook.news/fantastic-four-500m-flop#:~:text=Fantastic%20Four%20Passes%20$500M,What%20is%20this?).

Gavin Furukawa

Oh yes. I really hope Thunderbolts will be coming at some point, although as mentioned earlier you really need to see Black Widow first to appreciate it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some more Marvel reactions.

Matt Blanchette

Can't believe you didn't watch the version starring Simone's doppelgänger!

Matt Blanchette

(Also, y'all never watched "She-Hulk", and you missed out on fun.)

droodly

This kind of reporting doesn't seem relevant anymore. Nowadays you can wait a few months and buy the movie to watch as much you want, or wait a month after that and stream it on a service you may already subscribe to for no extra cost. I'm hoping that the people making these know box office isn't the be all, end all of metrics anymore, but you never know.

Neumann

i read an article saying that marvel isn't actually super concerned with how the smaller movies do at the box office as long as fans actually enjoy them because they know not every movie is going to make a billion dollars. they supposedly depend on the big tentpole movies to make up for whatever poorer performances from the other movies. of course, if a brand is too damaged, those bigger releases aren't going to make that money, but i guess that comes back to fans actually enjoying it and spreading the word, just like in the beginning

Darren Harrison

That may be true, but they are still a business and must justify the decisions they make to their shareholders.

R.L.HUNTER

George "But they're not planet eating size" .... [Looks at Transformers the Movie from 1986] "Well actually George....."

Ron K

Pretty sure they were explaining the deal with the gold records while you guys were talking about what if the baby doesn't have powers.

BellaBlue

I know peeps got Marvel fatigue for awhile..but I think reactors should either swear off it all (which I'd hate) or actually watch everything in release order... there are gonna be some not great ones...but I still think it is the best way to do it.. BW and TB are both great though imo...and def those 2 are musts

BellaBlue

Also, I thought they had seen A Quiet Day Day One..but probably I'm thinking of other reactors

BellaBlue

yep..I even remember thinking..oh they missed that...

maikeru

Cool, didn´t expect that actress to be the silver surfer (I´m not writing who it is to not spoil it for those who haven´t seen it yet)

m

Plus there is so much downstream revenue that isn't accounted for in merchandising and licensing alone. You extend the D+ library, you maybe get mtx worth dozens of millions out of it if you got some multiplayer cashcow, which they do at this point... they can afford for these movies to not crush the post-covid box offices, more and more as time goes on, with a drastic and harsh cutoff incoming as we see the still infinitely costly VFX industry to reach some sort of equilibrium where easy rotoscoping and more will be achieved using natural language - likely without the usual paradoxical effect that more resources or better efficiency means more is used. The landscape is going to change quite a bit.

Lola Lirola

So, like... An unknowable, all powerful force of the Universe designates a humble baby, born of woman, as his successor, so that he can redeem the Earth from its sinful, destructive destiny?

Justus Brazelton

Loved George's face when Simone was saying it would be cool if Franklin was powerless. 😂

Angela D. Mitchell

He was so good in A Quiet Place: Day One! And here. And absolutely unrecognizable to me in either from his breakthrough role as Eddie in "Stranger Things" (and I mean that in the best way). He's really such a chameleon and so talented. I was so happy for him to get this kind of high profile role.

Angela D. Mitchell

I loved this! I'm sorry it wasn't more successful in the long-term financially because it's a really great, smart movie. I especially loved the way each team member was utilized, the cast was superb, and that final battle was so different and refreshing. As far as Johnny and the records, the movie explains that they are all a part of recordings Reed took while monitoring transmissions that turned out to be attempts from across the universe to try to find the Silver Surfer (and in her language). The golden records are also a visual direct callback to the golden record sent on Voyager with greetings from across the globe in all different languages. Johnny listened to all the transmissions ongoing and noticed then remembered the Surfer's language. Loved seeing Ebon as Ben even if he wasn't onscreen much -- I think he's so talented, and I loved that they didn't lean too much into a saccharine love story for Ben. I thought Vanessa Kirby was fantastic as Sue, although I laughed at the childbirth scene. She gives a few "oohs" then pop, there's the baby, and she looks all happy and glowy and perfect. Not even a red face or a hair out of place! Ah, movie childbirth. I was even more impressed with Pedro Pascal. I mean, I love the guy anyway, but he's so likable and loose IRL that I keep forgetting how much real ability and gravitas the guy has. He is so, so good here. The moment Sue is gone, his expression is just heartrending. It really looks like shock, horror, disbelief, and love all mixed in a moment of terrible realization. And I loved Joseph Quinn on "Stranger Things" and in "A Quiet Place: Day One" (one of my favorite surprises of the past few years -- what a great movie) -- and he was so good again here, and so different. He's such a chameleon! I really expect great things from him. I liked Julia Garner as the SS but I didn't care for the actual animation style of the SS. I know she's supposed to look retro but she just kind of looked badly animated to me, and I normally don't care about that stuff. But it's probably just me. I do always love seeing her. And as far as the movie goes, I'm just so glad it wasn't a ton of the usual mindless destruction but so tight and focused -- it was incredibly tense, and I bought that Sue could do what she did to save her child and planet. I really felt the weight of Galactus and the conflict here and found him terrifying. So glad I caught this with you guys -- happy (American) Thanksgiving!

Matthew Blackwood

I do love that Val is powerless. Sadly it seems they’re making Franklin smart, too, not to mention piquing the interest of Doom. So Val becomes redundant, and they seem to be deleting her.