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Andor 210-212 + Rogue One Rewatch (Patreon)

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Jeff K.

Nearly 5 hours of Diego Luna? Gonna be some very happy people in here today.

Mike FromOz

Oh you guys are awesome!!!! I am settled in with a nice meal and drinks, and you're not only finishing Andor, you're rewatching Rogue 1! Thank you!

Śéáń

Free Rogue One Rewatch? Bah gawd.

TheLeftPecOfTheLord

Oh my god yes! Thank you so much guys this is above and beyond ❤️

Simon

Final 3 eps AND Rogue One rewatch?! My night is fucking SORTED.

dudewheresmycar

Knowing the end of the show whilst watching you guys speculating how Bix would end up with you at times being convinced she was going to die was a fun watch. Having her die could have added some great motivation for Cas, but the bittersweet ending they gave Bix is somehow far more tragic.

DDK

Yeeesss, fucking yeeessss 🤘🏾😝🤘🏾😝🤘🏾😝

Mike Medaugh

Thank you for reacting to this series. I'm old enough to have watch the OG triliogy in theaters. Upon my first Andor watch, I thought it was OK'ish but I was stuck in what I thought I wanted it to be. I wanted it to be more House of Cards mixed with The Americans (which I'd love to see a reaction to). You both provided a perspective that made me really appriciate this series. It helped me see it through a different lens and I really do think it is some of the best Star Wars ever made. Thanks again, now on to your reaction!!

Robert Cooper

Rogue One is still my favorite of the Disney Wars movies, but it does feel like quite a tonal shift if you watch it right after Andor.

DonkyDave

Wow what a treat!

AdmiralZhou

+ Rogue One Rewatch?? Yesssss This is officially my favorite trilogy

Jasbro

Now that is awesome, a Rogue One rewatch as well?, "Spoiler" after this so dont read after this if you havent seen the last episodes. It makes Andor's sacrifice even more heartbreaking knowing that he never knew he was going to be a dad, when i saw that scene my heart broke.

Zosia B

I need to comment on Ben Mendelsohn, who plays Orson Krennic - the first movie I saw him in was Animal Kingdom (2010), and he was absolutely TERRIFYING in that one - a must see. Great actor.

Curaitis

I would love to see Kleya again. Elizabeth Dulau, fresh from acting school, was just phenomenal and Kleya, together with Luthen, became my two favorite Star Wars characters. But i also know that Andor was a huge fluke in Disneys Star Wars and i hope that Disney wont touch those Characters again. From here on it only can get worse. I dont need another shitty Disney show like Acolyte. I will have an Eye on Dulaus career. She definitely showed massive potential.

scott melton

That finger to the head, and the expression on her face: priceless. And then her final shot, crying in the dark... Love ending on Bix, and a moment of hope for the future. Would love to see Kleya and Vel team up for adventures off the well-trod paths.

Ste Rawlings

you haven't been talking to the cops, have ya mate?

Mike Medaugh

So George for your question about the power vacuum in the sequel trilogies, shomehow they found a way around that

Mikebdrx

I don't necessarily think the new trilogy is that bad, I mean they are not the best movies but also not completely shit. Besides even if someone thinks they are horrible, watching a bad movie with Simone and George is still better than watching a decent movie alone.

Jon

RIP Lonnie...another GOAT gone. Would love for Gilroy to oversee a Tales of Andor type series where we can get one off stories that we didn't get. More Lonnie, Cass and Melshi one other missions... Yes, in both Legends and Disney timeline there are stories to do with inter-galaxy regions...see the Yuuzhan Vong. Gilroy's original version for how Cass meets K2 was a standalone episode with a Alien horror tone where they're trapped on a cargo ship with a KX unit...after the hallway scene I NEED that. At this time Leia is on Coruscant as part of the Junior Senators program, also loosely taking part in helping with organizing some rebellion activities. Kleya saw the sunrise Luthen fought for. The Reign of the Empire book follows Saw, Bail, and Mon prior to Andor. The author was inspired by Andor S1 and it follows in the same vein. In the Legends books the Empire doesn't immediately fall, it's very weakened and a war still wages with an eventual peace agreement, some planets opting to stay with the Empire. There's still periodic fighting, and even some instances of the Empire and the New Republic having to work together.

Jpsynergy

Rogue One re-watch is awesome, thanks guys.

Jon

I'm not a sequel fan, but they should watch them. They're not the worst movies ever, even kind of enjoyed TFA. Though, they do take a steaming dump on Star Wars as a whole and have some glaring issues that the prequels didn't.

Jon Johns

I find it almost criminal that so few acting nominations were given to this show. Tudyk & Whittaker were all that I know of. Shameful. Costume design: win! Best writing: Win! I guess we get what we get 🤷🏻

Jon Johns

I'd cheer for a Val & Kleya hunting imperials spinoff, ala "Munich" or something. 🤣

Alan Pownall

The sequel trilogy doesn't deal with the aftermath of the events of ROTJ and doesn't really do anything with the setting that is particularly interesting IMO. You get some stuff in Mandolorian and in Ahsoka but it's mostly in the books both old and new canon.

Spacedone

As soon as Lonni told Luthen that he was burned and that the ISB would be after him with everything, and probably already were, then Luthen essentially had no option to save him. Trying to save him and his family would risk that he led the ISB to Luthen and Kleya. Killing him maybe gave them time to escape with the intel and maybe also spared Lonni's family from being targeted since Lonni was already dead.

Drake

lets be fair he HAD to kill Lonni, there was no way in hell he could get him AND his family out. By killing him he probably saved the life of Lonnies wife and daughter, it was the best he could do for Lonnie even if Lonnie not saw it that way. The Daugher and Wife would for sure been taken tortured probably killed to get to Lonnie.

Wormtongue

Haven’t had time to watch reaction. But that Rogue One rewatch is part of this makes me even more excited.

Chris

I think Vel's arc actually resolved nicely into a less action-y role... but although I almost always hate spinoffs, I'd absolutely be down for that Kleya spinoff. Kleya-as-Jason Bourne, with ISB types looking at screens and then saying "oh my god." But only if Gilroy (or his chosen person) did it!

ShōNuff3K

I think I have the exact number. Cassian Andors', the character, kill count. 2 seasons + 1 movie A. 33 B. 65 C. 79 D. 112

Paul T Hewes

Easily the best Star Wars product of the Disney era. Probably in the top 3 of ALL Star Wars media of any era. Empire, Andor, last 4 episodes of Clone Wars show.

Jeff K.

I feel like it's not a particularly hot take to suggest this show might have the best written women characters in recent TV memory. So many strong, powerful, intelligent, complex, vulnerable, and deep characters. Mon, Maarva, Vel, Cinta, Bix, Kleya, Dedra, and so on... it's really pretty remarkable. Easily the best written women characters in the entire Star Wars canon (apologies to Leia, and we all love Carrie Fisher, but there wasn't as much overall depth to her character as the ones in this show).

Rev

Deedra confronting Luthen in the storefront was one of my favorite scenes in Andor. She asks if anything in the shop isn't authentic, and he states that there's only doubt on two items. It's easy to argue that the two items that weren't authentic, despite what he verbally says to her, are actually him and her. She was there initially hiding her true intent, and he's been living a double life for quite some time. Neither are what they appear to be. Whether or not that blade was truly questionable isn't nearly as important as the importance of Luthen having that blade (or another tool) in hand in order to take himself out as needed.

Śéáń

I am sad it is now over but I am happy for George to finally be free of Star Wars fans in the comments.

Tay Schumaker

I pretty much loathe the entire sequel trilogy, but if you've never seen it you should probably watch it. And I know plenty of people enjoy them so I'm sure it would be cool for you to react to them. It's easy enough to skip something you don't want to watch.

Florian

AND A REWTCH of rogue one, what kind of madness is this week :D I love you <3

Rev

DEDRA - Mixed up the extra E with MEERO. Ugh.

Patrick Evans

I will attempt to be paragraph guy without spoiling things. So, the immediate post-empire is more in books and a game. Basically the Palps had plans in case he fell. A set of Droids went out with orders for various leaders. Some to gather and flee beyond the outer rim and rebuild which is were the First order comes from. Another set in place Project Cinder that burned out imperial bases to kill personnel and remove resources. A fleet also gathered over Jakku where a large battle took place and is why there is the ship graveyard Rey is scavenging. Lastly, mostly in the outer rim various Planetary Governors became warlords.

Godrick

to answer George's question about getting on and off world easily- He's right about the answer being the sheer amount of traffic. A planet with few ships coming and going is much harder to sneak onto because there's time to search each individual ship rigorously. Most Star Wars planets with high volumes of ships will just briefly scan your "code" and let you pass. A spy like Cassian, or a smuggler like Han Solo, will usually have a few fake codes on hand. If you travel to a busy planet via public transportation, then youd have a much harder time sneaking on because they will check each individual person traveling. Its actually pretty realistic i you look at traveling through the mexican border to the USA vs. flying to the USA from mexico

gfixler

Yay, Star Wars Day!

Cartoons ReAct

You want more..you might need to watch Clone Wars(lookup the proper order) and Rebels to have more connections between Episode 2 and 4(and some of the later ones)

Drake

Mon also had the haircut in EPISODE 4 STAR WARS xD of course an other actress but thats why she has the haircut xD she is the rebell leader in the original star wars trilogy

Dude Longcouch

One thing most people don't catch - in Luthen's flashback, you can hear them referring to him as "Sergeant Lear." The full name he goes by during the rebellion is Luthen Rael. LEAR RAEL When he took his new identity, he completely inverted his life - he went from a soldier on a squad committing atrocities, to one of the earliest members of the Rebellion, fighting against soldiers who commit atrocities.

Gee

I really hope we get the 'Kleya and Vel hunting down empire officers and collaborators' spinoff that's been discussed.

Phalanx

If you want to learn a bit more about the birth of the Rebellion, Star Wars: Rebels is definitely worth a watch. It's an animated series, but it starts out focused on one small Rebel cell, but does a pretty good job of showing how the independent cells grew and started to connect to become the full on Rebel military that you see at the end of Andor/Rogue One. There are also a few events in later seasons that overlap with Andor... If you want to know a bit about what happened immediately after the Empire's defeat at Endor (episode VI), there's a novel trilogy called Star Wars: Aftermath that addresses the fallout and mess. It's also touched on in some of the more recent games (Star Wars: Battlefront II and Star Wars: Squadrons).

Godrick

Georges question about what happens after palpaatine dies is covered by The Mandalorian and Ashoka

Phalanx

Addendum to add that Star Wars: Ahsoka also touches on what happens after the Empire falls, and what the New Republic does to clean up, but you should, at a minimum, watch Rebels first (it's basically a live action Star Wars: Rebels season 5), and it helps to watch or at least be familiar with the events of the Star Wars: Clone Wars TV series (but that's quite long, so a big time commitment).

RogueRN

On the Rogue One re-watch, when the Rebel council is arguing whether to go to Scarif, a thought occurred to me. If Luthen was alive still, I bet there would’ve been a decent chance he would’ve “Tay Kolma’d” those councilors that were being so obstinate, on the chance they’d split off from the Alliance.

RogueRN

I saw a post elsewhere that also called out something interesting. When Luthen says he’ll take Lonni to Yavin, and Lonnie says, “What’s Yavin?” Luthen was probing Lonni to see how he reacted - basically looking for any clue that the Empire/ISB had knew anything about the Rebel base being there.

RogueRN

As much as I would love that, I’m concerned about the possibility of those characters (or any of the ones established in Andor) getting ‘overplayed’ if that makes sense. I loved those characters - especially Kleya (I may have a huge crush on her) - and I’d hate to see the quality of those characters diluted, especially after seeing what happened with The Mandolorian and Boba Fett. Guess I’m saying the idea would be cool, but I don’t have a whole lot of faith in Disney pulling it off.

Drake

saw left jyn when she was 16 so before we meet him in andor

Happy Hanukkah

I have no particular wish for a reaction to the Disney trilogy, but if this remains an option, then: Given one of your comments in the Rogue One reaction, if you put this up on YouTube, I highly urge you to insert a clip in which you explicitly state that you have not seen the sequel trilogy and that people should avoid spoilers in their comments, very much including "clever" hints. (This is because your own comment involuntarily practically begs for such follow-ups.) We Patrons are all very well-behaved and thus do not need to be told this. :-|

João Rafael Ferreira

I used to write film reviews as a critic at the time the sequel trilogy came out. I was never a hugh fan of the franchise, but i like some of the movies. I guess i´m still on the "critics side" because The Last Jedi is my favorite. Don´t know if the hate just comes all from the fandom, but a lot of people that were just casual viewers were ok with the sequel. Maybe the fact that S&G are not in the super fan realm they might actually enjoy some of it.

Lee Crosby

There is a prequel novel to rogue one called "Catalyst: A rouge one novel" if you're interested 👍

Happy Hanukkah

The Rogue One (full) re-watch was a treat; thank you very much. I consider Rogue One a strong contender for best Star Wars entry, and Wen Jiang (Baze Malbus) delivers a memorable performance in his short screen time. I wouldn't quite call Jimmy Smits as Senator Bail Organa a recast; he was the original actor in the prequel trilogy. 4:11:30-4:11:32 https://i.ibb.co/rRrhf9Sc/The-Cowboy-Wally-Show-018.jpg :-)

Layan

I just watched chinatown yesterday and it’s so good you guys should check it out

24fps_

I like Force Awakens EP7 alot... it has great momentum and nostalgia.. the other two though are more rough imo... eventhough 8 has some cool shit in it.. it just goes bonkes with what the force can do... lol

Kevin

What a treat! I know you will be considering what comes next between Stranger Things seasons. My suggestions: 1. Succession. Probably the best show of the past 5 years besides Andor (and BCS). A very funny show (that is ultimately a drama) and so, so well acted. 2. House of the Dragon Season 2. I know the first season was a surprise drop by yall so maybe this will be too, but you can finish it before season 3 comes out next year or even before A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms premiers in January. 3. In case you have not seen it: LOST. An amazing show that holds up very well. 4. A show like The Bear is good, but the drop off after season 2 is real. I might suggest something like The White Lotus instead.

Gee

Absolutely it's a risk, I think I'd only be on board if Tony Gilroy was involved. But I must admit the allure of seeing people like the Imperial Officer that coordinated the massacre on Gorman being brought to justice is a strong one.

RogueRN

Oooh...yeah, that'd be a good one for sure!

Ashton Lewis

I think you should watch the sequels. I think they are a bit of a tonal shift to the rest of Star Wars, and I feel that they are not as good in quality (Attack of the Clones>Sequel trilogy>Sand), but worth the watch just so you can see what a room full of nut jobs decided to write, film and present to what we all know are the most easygoing fans in the galaxy. All jokes aside, Adam Driver is really good in those films though, so if you're a fan, give them a go and just think happy thoughts for the rest of it

Steve Arnold

Since you guys love Alan Tudyk so much (Who doesn‘t?!?), you really should watch Resident Alien. He‘s hilarious in it!

Ari Ramirez

Palpatine indeed had a master. Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?

Jeff K.

So I love this show. It's so impeccably written. It's brilliant in every single way. But I also cannot help but laugh a bit at the fact that the mastermind who evaded Imperial detection for so long, despite being a former sergeant in the Empire's ranks, and who essentially created the Rebel Alliance, did so by simply taking his actual last name (Lear) and spelling it backwards to create his incognito persona (Rael).

Mike FromOz

His other choice was "Guy Incognito".

Mike FromOz

Yeah, I have to agree. E7 felt like a rehash of everything we'd seen before, E8 was just confusing in terms of character drives, and E9 is just... eh. You're not missing out on anything. Avoid the Prequels, there is nothing much good there either. Worse characterization, terrible hamfisted attempts at comic relief at the worst times, really bad CGI.

Mike FromOz

One of the worst things about the Fandom. I remember reading Wookiepedia and someone had written up that the alien that snitched where Luke and Obi Wan were going to in Mos Eisley (where Han had the Millenium Falcon) in A New Hope was a master spy with a whole long list of how awesome he was. Couldn't just let it be someone who snitched to the Stormtroopers for 200 Republic Credits or something? Nope. Master. Spy.

Philipp Roensch

A wonderfully poignant and emotional finale. Still is a bit of a starting ramp for Rogue One, but adds to the universe nice set pieces of world building, scale and tragedy for the very first who gave all to the rebellion. It is a worthy setup though, and makes everything else so much more impactful. Convinced me, and I'm glad I gave it another shot. If I were to put only a few dents in the praise, there are some sequences that could be shorter. It needs to get a move on, and maybe less intercuts, but is very satisfying with everything in place. Rogue One likewise, a great movie. Wonderful effect works and now even stronger drama.

Mike FromOz

The problem is that it's 3 slots for movies which could be used to showcase and react to movies which are so much better than them. I am not a film completionist by any stretch, so having to see S&G sit and react to them, when they're not that good in quality, is kind of an exercise in box ticking. If they were better and actually held anything which added greatly to the entire mythos of the Star Wars universe, I'd say go for it. But sadly, they just don't make the grade. This is just my opinion, but I feel that those 3 movie slots can be used to watch other movies which are so much better.

Jesse Coombs

I'm not sure what other show you're going to do after Stranger Things, but I HIGHLY recommend "The Pitt". One amazing season so far. And if you like competent people doing competent things, well, I can't think of a better show.

Jesse Coombs

It's also been lauded as one of the most realistic medical dramas ever made.

Ari Ramirez

Also, one more thing, I cannot with a clear conscience recommend that you watch the rest of the movies. You're not missing any story arcs that have a good payoff, it's mostly all setups and weak resolutions. Episode 8 is borderline a parody of Star Wars in general. Do feel free to move on to The Mandalorian though!

Denashi

The "fish people" as you describe them, are (no joke) called Mon Calamari!

Tcrimson05T

So I probably differ with most people and the fact that I don't mind episode 7 8 and 9. I actually really like 8 tbh. I think they are worth watching for better or for worse. But beyond that, it's funny that George talks about how Andor leans into the more realism of Star Wars. Which is great. However I've always felt....so I played Destiny 1&2. And I have always felt that game straddled two different trees. High fantasy like Lord of the Rings and science fiction like Star wars. Star wars does straddle it and Andor leans into realism. But there's something happening right now with the Star wars show Ashoka that I'm very interested in. For those that have watched the Clone Wars you probably understand where I'm going. And so, I am hoping that they lean in heavier into the fantasy aspect of it. I think part of the "deus ex machina" George isn't a fan of is because they haven't leaned into it enough. And I have a feeling based off clone wars and Ashoka that that avenue is ripe for exploration like like Andor was for the struggle to build the rebellion. In fact, Andor aside, ahsoka season 2 is the project I'm most excited for Star Wars related. But of they haven't watched mandalorians, they need to do that.

James W.

Make It Stop ends up being one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. There was always this tension between Kleya and Luthen and with just a few scenes you get a clear picture of their life together and it all it makes perfect sense. When Kleya disconnects his life support Elizabeth Dulau's expression hits me right in the chest; she is saying goodbye to her mentor, father-figure, savior, but also one of the people who had a direct hand in whatever genocide happened on her home world. That is an actually complicated relationship. It upsets me that more of the performances didn't get highlighted during awards season. Elizabeth Dulau and Genevieve really blew me away but even smaller roles are just excellently handled. When they can even write antagonists that you get invested in, it is a sign of crazy writing. And not just that superficial I love to see them chew the scenery and be "eveeeel" but like being bad but you are rooting for Dedra and Syril to snap out of it and come around to what they are doing. I would 100% watch a show with any of the characters that survive the events of this show. Like give me a show that is Kleya and Vel as advisors and friends to Leia in-between the Original Trilogy films or maybe as a part of the Mandalorian Era which is post ROTJ btu before 'The Sequels'. It would be a great excuse to bring back Alden Ehrenreich, Donald Glover, and Emelia Clarke from 'Solo'. Find some one to play post-ROTJ Leia, like Cary Fisher's daughter Billy Lourde. Then the very end, the reveal that Bix went back to Mina Rao, The relief that B2 has some family there to take care of him and then the reveal of Bix and Cass' child, full man-tears. Knowing that he'll never get to see Bix again, never know they had a child, never find the peace he wanted so badly. In the end, Cass is everything his Marva and Luthen wanted him to be; He burned his decency for a sunrise he will never see. His last sunrise is the flare of the Superlaser obliterating a chunk of Scariff. I have to do this in every comment section for the end of Andor; Fuck Lonnie. I understand why people think he didn't deserve such a coldly pragmatic death but Lonnie falters so many times throughout. If he had let Luthen and Kleya know that he had the ability to get into Dedra's files a year earlier, they could have planned it out so that Lonnie and his family could have been extracted safely, they would had some forewarning that Dedra was getting close to finding Luthen, and also they could have known about the "Energy Program" sooner. Lonnie earned that death, he was damn near extorting Luthen at the end. SO yeah any ways, Lonnie is a hero but he is also the reason Luthen is dead, and why the rebellion almost had no idea about The Death Star.

William

Or, they can just watch them and decide for themselves.

Darth Fatass

What an excellent bonus rogue one rewatch. And released on the late Carrie Fisher Birthday May the Force be with you!

Jesse

Watching now! I think s2 e10 is the best episode of the series so i'm hyped to watch it.

James W.

Not like y'all have the time to rewatch stuff you have already seen but, I'd watch you 2 go through the De-Specialized Original Trilogy. Watch the *real* Star Wars that turned so many people into insufferable nerds :D On George's question about "Expanded Lore", that is all messed up because a good chunk what us old heads used to revere from the "Expanded Universe" has been retired, supplanted, or subverted under Disney. For ancient star wars lore I would always recommend the old Dark Horse comics for "Tales of the Jedi" comics/trade paperbacks, and follow those up with the 2 "Knight of the Old Republic" games. Those are legit good games and it was an interesting story line that has been mostly abandoned in the Disney Star Wars era but 100% worth the time. Added a whole new cast of heroes and villains that were very compelling. You could watch all of Clone Wars, Bad Batch, and then Rebels as that is the chronologically correct lead up to Andor but is a big undertaking. Those shows rehabbed the Prequel story line into something decent. The EA Jedi Fallen Order and Survivor games have some overlap with Andor's timeline, locations, and you get a Saw cameo in Fallen Order. Something I recommend to every Star War fan is the Star Wars Radio Dramas, especially for A New Hope. It is excellent and you can hear how the Death Star plans got to Leia before it became Rogue One and Andor. Mark Hammill reprises his role and voices Luke but the actors for Han, Leia, and Vader are exceptional as well. If you have a long flight or drive, the Radio Dramas are perfect to fill the time.

Jesse

Lonnie was doing that but because he was worried about his family's safety. With that said, as cold as Luthen's decision was, I think it was a necessary one. He didn't even have time to get Lonnie out so you can forget about his whole family. Luthen also never asked of anyone what he wouldn't sacrifice himself.

RedCrusade

One of my favorite things I've heard someone say about Luthen is, "Luthen never did anything to someone else he wasn't willing to do to himself."

James W.

I still think Lonnie was also afraid as much for himself as his family, but, otherwise I 100% agree. On that timeline of events, there was no logical way to take care of anything. As it was they still almost all got killed or captured.

Jesse Coombs

I'm not sure if you've watched them or not, but this is my first non-recommendation. Don't bother with episodes 7,8 or 9. I personally really like episode 8, but it's not worth sitting through the other two.

Darth Fatass

Bail Organa aged 9 years between Andor and Rogue One. And yes I'm just being a smartass different actors.

Twiska Brand

I think the first two seasons of The Mandalorian are worth a watch.

Guy-on-Couch

they've already watched them, the videos are on this patroen

Jacob

As a lifelong Star Wars fan with an excellent knowledge of the timeline, just know it's comments like this greatly contribute to the image of the Star Wars fanbase as being insufferable.

James W.

I love Jimmy Smits' portrayal of Bail but now that I have seen Benjamin Bratt's Bail, I want more. He was so good and it seems very unlikely we'll see him again.

James W.

I am posting too many times but on George's comments during Rogue One, about the seemingly big jump in combat readiness that the Rebels have by the time we get to the big battle scenes in ANH, they are big in a effect but not big in number. From the start of Andor to ANH is 5 years and the Rebels have barely got their shit together. The battle in ANH is only like a few fighters against the whole Death Star. No capital ships at all. The Decipher Star Wars CCG/TCG from the 90ss did a really good job of fleshing that out before we even had the Special Editions where Lucas went back and added more ships to ANH with CG. I think it was Just Red and Gold Squadron attacking the Death Star, and Han in the Falcon coming in clutch at the last second. In Empire we see large fleets of Imperial ships but the rebels are on the run and have been pretty much since the battle of Yavin. Even though they destroyed the Death Star they lost their main staging area and had to keep moving. They were on Hoth to hide and try to rebuild but that one probe got lucky. When they escape Hoth you can see it is again just a couple squadrons of fighters, a few transports, and a maybe a couple of Corellian Corvettes, all just hightailing it out of there. It isn't until ROTJ where we get the full mustering of the Rebel Fleets as they fall into the trap set by Palpatine at Endor. That was the first epic feeling space battle in Star Wars; at least for me. As a kid who watched all of these in the theater, every battle felt huge because I had never seen anything like it, but by modern standards the OT space battles are a bit anemic. The space battle at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith is huge by comparison.

FranciscoGios

Hello Simone I’m glad your health is back to normal, and George to your question is there any other people/race outside of the Empire also known as the Unknown Regions the answer is Yes. But first let me refresh about the Death Star. The Death Star was not Palpatine’s idea, this innovation came from the insect species the Geonosians, The Clone Wars. In turn the Empire was the one who finished and developed the weapon. Back to the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions scenario. In Star Wars there are multiple species outside the Empire who have their own planets and some are more highly organized than others; but the most threat species is called the Grysk, an extragalactic species with advanced biotechnology. The Geonesians (an hierarchical society) even though not part of the Unknown Regions but part of the Outer Rims tells you the farther the species the more “advanced thinking species” exist, (but not exactly not all societies are advanced in the Unknown Regions just want to give an example). Palpatine is aware that some threats exist in the Unknown Regions; he feels a powerful dark force presence coming from there; The Grysk?? Maybe. His only solution was to enlist every living soul, taking the Death Star from the Geonosians build a lot of Star Destroyers, build bigger Star Destroyers 😂. Grandpa Palpatine was scheming from left to right just to secure his Empire. After Palpatine died, many Fleet Admirals and Moffs became warlords, scaped New Republic trails trying to control the Outer Rims and the Unknown Regions and some became powerful remnants forces they fought the New Republic. For the sequels I like Episode 8.

Shadow Thief

When it comes to the Empire and what they do when their Emperor dies, you’re absolutely right there is a power vacuum. In Legends they split off into dozens and dozens of minor factions with warlords controlling sections of the galaxy. The Rebellion afterwards only managed to come out on top because these Warlords fought each other just as much as the New Republic the Rebellion established, so they were able to pick off each faction one at a time and rally the galaxy together. In canon there were still fractured factions. Some working together more than others. But the specifics of the war against these Warlords is still fairly unexplored. What’s definitive is that most of them were destroyed in a major battle called the battle of Jakku, when the New Republic formally declared total victory.

Lanny Fisher

I'd recommend NOT watching episodes 7,8,9. The characters are so one-dimensional and the writing is terrible.

Jared Winn

“I think the actor that plays Mon has changed the most between the show and movie” as Jimmy Smits walks into frame 😂

mojo shivers

I still love how Luthen’s big tactic of disguising his surname is to go from Sgt. LEAR to Luthen RAEL. Great spymaster, insurgent, rebel leader, and all that—but not as clever all the time as he thinks he is. I mean—if there’s a file out there of Sgt. Lear, it’s not a huge mental leap to maybe check variations of Rael and stumble upon his previous military record.

James W.

Well, after the massive retcon that is Rogue One we know that the few capital ships they had were at Scariff and didn't escape, hence why they are just throwing the fighter groups they at have the Death Star. That is also why we only see Red and Gold Squadron at the Battle of Yavin, blue Squadron sacrifices itself defending the ground attack on Scariff and trying to weaken the shield gate. RIP General Merric and his glorious mustache. The battle for Scarff is super impressive. Though it is technically a smaller engagement than the battle for Endor, it is a rare case where I feel teh CG was as good as the practical effects and makes it feel somewhat bigger than the Endor space battle. Back in the 1994/95 when I was rabid about Star Wars, before special edition released, we just assumed there we less ships because the rebels were a ragtag group. After Spec. Ed. we know Lucas wanted to have more shots but couldn't afford/didn't have time to do more. My favorite thing about the SpecEd are the additional ships in ANH and Cloud City's make over in ESB, I could do without the rest of the changes. I am sad that Lucas didn't understand that many of the thing he sees as imperfections are what made the OT so great. Lucas didn't see that the limitations that caused him to not be able to realize some of his vision actually improved it or at the least had some unexpected narrative use. Just my 2-cents, or well my like 300 cents because I keep posting. So many cents.

James W.

And now, get to re-watch the OT because I have poor impulse control. Edit: @George again, my brother in chob, the weird fan service like Dr. Evezanand Ponda Baba on Jedha , and R2 and 3PO on Yavin, and then trying to compress that into how it matches up with the OT timelines is my least favorite thing about Rogue One. We didn't cameos to ground this story, I think it was just Disney not trusting the process or the director pandering for no good reason. On the seemingly abandoned romance between Cassian and Jyn, pretty sure when Gilroy came in to do re-writes and reshoots, of Rogue One, he nuked a bunch of storylines but not all of it got cut or they just needed some shots to show their bind but didn't have new ones so they just used some of the dropped romance shots. I know it will never happen, but I want to see what Gareth Edwards intended for Rogue One. Same goes for Solo, I want to see the material that Lorde and Miller show for the 77 days they were on Solo before Disney punked out and brought in Ron Howard to basically redo the movie.

Shibby

In a galaxy of trillions how and why would they make the connection between a Sgt Lear who deserted 15 or so years ago and hasn't been seen or heard of since to Luthen Rael the antiquities dealer on Coruscant? Plus how many people do you think might share that name in a galaxy that big?

Shibby

No relation to Mon Mothma

mojo shivers

If you want my favorite Felicity Jones drama you should watch Like Crazy. It stars her and the late Anton Yelchin as a pair of college students who fall madly in love but then get into a decades-long struggle with the immigration/visa system because she makes the impulsive mistake to stay with him past the cutoff of her student visa. It’s partly a love story, but it’s also a explanation of what do you do when you fall for someone, but the bulk of your relationship is built on trying to be together instead of actually trying to be together. Is it even real? Or is the idea of being with this person all you have and you have no idea of what you have is genuine because all you’ve known as a couple is the struggle to be reunited permanently?

Happy Hanukkah

A very relevant question for those whose knowledge/memory of the lore is greater than mine: to what extent has the Empire been able to centralize military power? Is it the only game in town, other than an underground Alliance, or is it closer to the Dune situation?

Zhivko Yakimov

The Acolyte is not any better, I am afraid. I won't go down the culture wars path, but while there were some nice ideas, it was mostly a waste. The whole season felt like a setup for the real story, but we won't have a chance to see it. I have a slightly better impression of Ahsoka, maybe because they decided to use Thrawn, who is a great character from the old Expanded Universe (now Legends), and Rosario Dawson is always a delight. Also, a Mon Mothma cameo, now as Chancellor, which was nice. Still, it was pretty average, and going quite deep into the space magic stuff, which I have never enjoyed in Star Wars lore.

Zhivko Yakimov

The most likely reason they left some scenes was budget constraints. There were already some reshoots, but a production of this magnitude cannot afford to redo too much, which is why there are some leftovers remaining from the original script. I am still glad they let Gilroy do what he did, as the original script had a happy ending, which would not have been so meaningful. I do wish Gilroy was on board from the start, we may have got an even better Rogue One.

Usagi

Never ending Froyo and excess Froyo is good wym 😂

Sleepy

Seconded for the KotOR games. They're RPGs that use DnD systems (albiet, an older version). Think Baldur's Gate 3. Well worth playing. If you like K-2SO, you'll enjoy one of the droid characters in those games.

Amos T Fairchild

I don't get the hate. Episode 8 isn't a favourite, but the sequel trilogy are still a lot of fun. I rewatch them regularly. And I'm an old guy who saw the originals in theatres at release.

James W.

I feel like most of the issues with the Acolyte could be fixed in editing, bummed we won’t get to see more.

James W.

My inclination is to not recommend episodes 7, 8, or 9 but as a more open minded grognard, they each have redeeming qualities. Score, visual development, and casting are solid, the execution of the story is bad though. I’d like to see George and Simone watch just for the commentary.

James W.

A casualty of Tony realizing his original plan was too ambitious I think. There many things that happen off screen but would probably had a whole story arc if they stretched it out.

James W.

My guy, Obi *hid* Luke on Anakin’s home world, with Anakin’s stepbrother, at a house Anakin had been to before, and let Luke keep the surname “SKYWALKER”…Lear to Rael is genius by comparison.

Happy Hanukkah

I was very disillusioned when I discovered how much A New Hope had stolen from Maverick! :-P :-P :-P

James W.

I don’t think they let anyone get big enough to be a threat after the Clone Wars. Most folks in-universe have no idea that Palp puppeteered the whole clone wars. He Banned droid armies and clone armies n the aftermath and no other civilization put up a large enough fighting force to challenge the Imperial military. There is a line in a new Hope where Tarkin reveals that they don’t have to worry about interference from there galactic senate anymore because the emperor dissolved it, and the regional imperial governors now Control their respective sectors. After the only hope is rebel insurgency.

Angela D. Mitchell

Great reactions to the final 3 Andor episodes, but -- lovingly -- it was a little frustrating, George, that you were so stuck on the detail of Tivik that you talked through the entire final montage. Which was stunning. Loved what Brandon Roberts did with the music to build on Nicholas Britell's s1 score. And Diego Luna brought so much charisma and complexity to Cassian -- a new maturity to his final walk to his ship and feeling of impending destiny. And it was moving to see Kleya so vulnerable, grieving, and tired. Loved seeing Mon's softer haircut and normal clothes, eating lunch with friends and her cousin. But my big emotional moment was hearing Nemik speaking his Manifesto -- now spread to the galaxy! Thanks to Cassian, this idealistic boy managed to make a speech that reached across the stars. And realizing that Nemik's voice was one of the last things Partagaz heard was sweet justice. And Dedra ending up sobbing in a prison cell? ON NARKEENA?! Sweet music! And the very last moments -- little B2EMO with a little droid friend! Maarva would have been so happy to see him safe. Luthen predicted that he would die for a sunrise he would never see -- and he did. But because he did, Bix was able to stand in the sunrise with Cassian's child as Bee played nearby. I am so glad the ending was not about death -- but about hope. And the John Williams score coming up in the end credits hit me harder than expected. As far as Rogue One, I do think Gilroy leaned too hard on Cassian/Bix in Andor in ways that felt forced to me, and that slightly retcon the Cassian/Jyn chemistry we see in Rogue One. But it doesn't matter -- for me, Jyn is still the bittersweet almost-romance at the end of Cassian's life. He has an instant connection there; they're both damaged in the same ways, but he wouldn't have to keep saving her as with Bix. My headcanon is that they would have been together but with him being a friend and father to Bix and his child respectively. I still wish they'd have done a better job with Leia's animation in the end of Rogue One. Because -- unlike Tarkin -- it doesn't really look that great (or much like Fisher). Thanks again! It was great seeing Rogue One again with both of you guys, as a capper to the show. So glad you reacted to them! It's so much fun to see your friendship and banter and how differently you both react to things. Glad Simone is feeling better -- and your NEW KITTEN IS SO CUTE!

mojo shivers

That’s hilarious. I never thought of how little Obi-Wan did to disguise Luke’s identity when he hid him. Lol

Ruben VL

I think you guys will have to eventually watch clone wars and rebels animated series. It seems like you guys are interested in the lore around the movies. Clone wars made the prequels so much better for me. Rebels is about one of the splinter groups that form the rebellion and runs around the same time as Andor. There are some direct links even.

Dude Longcouch

What James said. I think you can see a lot of stuff like that if you look hard enough. Another example is Wil being so attached to Luthen, and devastated by his death, except we never even have a scene with the two of them together, let alone saw them building any kind of relationship. That's all stuff that probably would have had an entire season of development in Gilroy's original plan, but had to be massively compressed to make it fit in season 2.

Dude Longcouch

Exactly. That's what I always point out when people mention Loni. Is it tragic and twisted? Yeah, of course. But Luthen demanded no sacrifice from Loni that he wasn't also willing to do himself, for the greater good.

Jeff K.

And Obi-Wan only disguised himself by changing his name to Ben Kenobi.

Jeff K.

9 is legitimately one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in a theater. It’s so bad. Such a bummer as a giant Star Wars fan, in particular.

Mike FromOz

Who is not actually a moth person.

Urbanform

Hi George, you were supposed to add Stranger Things in the shop section. Can you do that now. Thank you.

Kevin

You guys will like Episode 7 and 8. 9 is tough, in the same way that the prequels are pretty tough. But I would sill watch it.

Happy Hanukkah

Personally, I'm baffled by those who thought Leia's CGI was better than Tarkin's. I found Tarkin acceptable, while Leia's was so jarring it completely pulled me out of the movie*. I suspect the lighting chosen for their scenes contributed to this, as well as the deliberate porcelain-y look they wanted for Leia. * This doesn't say much. :-)

Scott CineRam

If I'm not mistaken, the Star Wars game Battlefront II takes place in the immediate aftermath of Return Of The Jedi, and the main characters are Imperials. Also, the D+ series Ahsoka is set after ROTJ as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNUTWw17rkM

Happy Hanukkah

'Calamari" I was horrified by the inhumane* conditions in Empire prisons. They actually imprisoned Jyn in a cell with a Pak'ma'ra! * :-P

Happy Hanukkah

"Who is not actually a moth person." Yes, but she *is* drawn to the Light Side of the Force. :-P :-)

SmallWoodenDuck

Good Lord Andor is so good. I know lots of people love it, but the fact that a large proportion of Star Wars fans find it boring kind of destroys me.

Jeff K.

Watching the Rogue One reaction now after Andor yesterday and just to clarify one thing, George: when you say early on that it hits differently when Jyn is first meeting everyone because we now have context and before, we didn't know who those people were, that's true for most of the people present but not Mon. Mon Mothma was actually introduced in Return of the Jedi. She's the one who says, "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" when they're doing a briefing on the new Death Star.

Gary Poussard

Mon Mothma doesnt appear until Return Of The Jedi.

probablyKoi

George actually touches on something that I've had a massive issue with in Star Wars for a while. We all love it, but they do have a relentless magnetic pull towards revisiting the Skywalker family again and again and again... When you spend some time with a franchise like Warhammer you see what's possible when it comes to the broader scope for sci-fi worldbuilding, countless characters both massively important and just some dude. Then you see some of the wider star wars material like the SWTOR MMO and some of the books and even this Andor show and you see glimpses of what could be in terms of how a more expansive approach could flesh this galaxy out (which realistically is like 7 planets and a 30-60 year span for 99% of the experience). Disney leave so much on the table which is a massive shame.

Usagi

I can't stop watching kitty

Doug the Movie Guy

I am also unreasonably annoyed that Simone and George talked over most of the last part of the show and missed the emotional build up of the ending. It's like watching someone at a Mozart concert be distracted by a painting on the wall. It does reflect that the ending was meant to be somber and reflective and George was stuck reflecting on completely the wrong thing. :-D

Happy Hanukkah

While my eyes were helplessly drawn to Simone's portrait.

Usagi

That too!

Philipp Roensch

But to answer some of your questions: The fall of the Empire and aftermath is detailed in the Legends books, and is the backdrop for the Mandalorian Series + upcoming movie and Episode 7-9 deal with the remaining powers. I guess if you are really into it, watch them. My 2 cents: 7 is nostalgia bait, 8 is too bold for some and 9 is atrocious. They shine with some cool ideas and lore extensions, but also tread in place, to put it vaguely. What I love about Rogue One, even the first time around: yes, it was some of that ground battle that even in the old trilogy was cut short. We see some real guarilla fighting. The Death Star menace and presence is damn cool. That the whole quest ends in tragedy and hope is really touching and impressive.

Lex Kuzma

Y'know, with how good this show and Rogue One are, it's high time they finished the full film series and explored what happened before Episode IV and after Episode VI. It'd be really cool if some good film-makers could finally finish the originally conceived 9-movie arc, presumably by starting with Episode I. That could be really cool.

Logan Kerlee

7, 8, and 9 aren't vital to enjoying anything. The movies aren't bad but they definitely aren't as good as any of the other Star Wars media. If it's voted on and they win I'll totally still watch but that'll mostly be because I enjoy your takes on things. If/when Star Wars continues on beyond them they'll obviously need to be seen - so if you feel like getting that out of the way now - go for it. Oh! the fish looking dude - that race is called Mon Calamari. I've known that for ages! :P I remember learning that years and years ago as a kid when I watched Return of the Jedi and I was busy playing the Star Wars CCG! xD I knew all of the tidbits from the original films! :)

Alex Niehaus

I definitely think your next Star Wars watch should be the Obi-Wan Kenobi series. It’s only 1 season. But I think it’s the best remaining Star Wars series/movie to watch. Ahsoka would be good to watch as well. But you would need to watch Rebels first to get the most out of it. But no matter what stay on the Star Wars path!

Alex Hyrule

Obi-Wan Kenobi series would be a great watch. such a good show.

The Real Andrew Kim

I would recommend you guys do the 7, 8 and 9 especially since I get the impression you guys are not precious about the Star Wars universe and can judge the movies as they are rather than what you think they are suppose to be. I find them enjoyable and respect the risk taking of The Last Jedi especially but apparently I'm in the minority.

Thall

If i remember right, in the old extended universe the Yuzhan Vong came from outside the galaxy to fuck shit up. Palpatine was so hellbent on building superweapons instead of winning, because he feared them. When they arrived he was dead, Luke started a new order, and the Vong fucked shit up because they could keep up with Jedi and Lightsabers. The Yuzan Vong (i don't remember how to spell it) also were hinted at in Knights of the old Republic, when the Mandalorian talks about weird asteroid ships that have been found and fired at, but they sped out of the galaxy. Very mixed bag, those old books, but overall a fun read!

Simon Pegged Me

Agreed, James and Dude. Condensing the series down to two seasons put a lot of stress on the writers. It's like they wrote Season 1 thinking they were producing a novel and Season 2 knowing they were writing a short story. A lot got left out or reduced to a few lines of dialogue.

Simon Pegged Me

I thought the same thing. From their comments, none of them could be trusted. They would have sold the Alliance out for a promise that their worlds would be spared.

Ricardo Alanis

The Admiral Akbar/General Raddis species is the Mon Calamari. From this rewatch by the time Andor starts Jyn would have been left by Saw (at 16). Definitely recommend the Obi-Wan Kenobi series (1 season) and I would also recommend Star Wars Visions (anime/animation shorts), which is starting S3 soon. And The Acolyte was also enjoyable!

Ricardo Alanis

Oh and I think Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are good.

Jeff K.

I enjoyed Force Awakens even if it was one of the most fan-servicey movies I’ve ever seen, and I know TLJ had its flaws but I thoroughly enjoyed some of the ideas and concepts it introduced… which were then negated entirely when JJ Abrams came back and made 9, which is genuinely the worst Star Wars movie ever made. And I’m including the Christmas special here.

Jeff K.

So, if you’re still hankering for the same street level vibe of Andor… the game wasn’t great, it had some real flaws, like being an open world game that feels too empty, and pretty repetitive, and Ubisoft has not had the most sterling workplace reputation to say the least… but I really enjoyed Star Wars Outlaws. It’s essentially “what if there was a game about pre-Rebellion Cassian, but it’s a young woman instead of a young man?” Seriously, if the main character was gender swapped, it would basically just be Cassian.

Mark Messer

You guys should totally watch more SW content for extra context and then do another reaction to the movies again like you did here! Id so watch that

Darren Harrison

7, 8, and 9 are better than 1, 2, and 3….but I admit that’s a low bar

Anamondaris

Thank you guys for rewatching Rogue One💜

Golandaz

No they aren't. The sequels are an order of magnitude worse than the prequels

Golandaz

I wouldn't watch the sequels. They are a waste of time, I would prefer if they were decanonized

Lizzy DH

I absolutely love Rebels. I'm a bit of a sucker for stories about a small rag-tag group becoming a "found family" and standing up to the baddies. In that regard Rebels kinda gives me Firefly vibes. It's also concurrent with Andor and fills in some of the gaps when it comes to the formation of the Rebel Alliance.

Darren Harrison

Well they watched the prequels which are also a waste of time…Jar Jar anyone? :)

Golandaz

The prequels are still a more coherent story, and they are far more easily fixable than the sequels.

CT

Don't bother with the sequel trilogy. Neither of you seem particularly taken with the world-building of the SW universe. You've seen the best, no need to see the rest. I'd much rather you watch things you love, things that make you think, things you don't forget.

Ruben VL

I agree. For me Rebels is a solid 8. Clone wars has higher highs, but also lower lows.

Anamondaris

I think the Star Wars show Skeleton Crew would be a fun short watch for you guys. You don’t need to know anything going in and it’s a good side story in the galaxy

Com1xguy

If anything I would love to see you guys react to the Top 10 Clone Wars arcs. I know it all takes place between Episodes 2 and 3, but some of those are some of the best SW stories besides Andor you watch.

J Danger87

Agreed, I think you'd both enjoy Skeleton Crew. It takes place after Return of the Jedi around the same time as Mandalorian.

Golandaz

I am completely fine with sequels which don’t contain Han Leia and Luke. The Post-Palpatine collapse of the Empire is a very interesting story that deserves to be told by better storytellers.

James W.

I am of a similar frame of mind; I can't defend those films but I also don't condemn them. There is a lot I like about TFA and TLJ. RoS is a mess but it also has elements I enjoy. I just can't in good conscience recommend them to people. If they come to it on their own, I feel like their have a better experience of it anyway.

James W.

I love so many parts of TFA. TLJ at least felt aspirational and interesting. I think if you are a really invested fan the Sequels can be frustrating because all we can see is the missed potential.

CommanderBrownCoat

Was rewatching the interrogation scene between Krennic and Dedra and was suddenly reminded of Serenity when the Operative was questioning the doctor "The minds behind every military, diplomatic and covert operation in the galaxy, and you put them in the room with a psychic." and could just imagine him poking the guy on the top of the head lol

Jean-Dominic Lapointe

Now imagine being Vader listening to Leia saying “I have no idea what you’re talking about, we’re a diplomatic mission bla bla bla” “Hey! I was there, I watched this very ship drop a few meters from my face, stop bullshitting me!”

Lonewolf Di Conis

Its really sad that so many despise the 1-3 Triology even if this set up so much we love today, even we have here in Andor.

Lonewolf Di Conis

Not in a mile, 1,2 and 3 are good, way better than their reputation. Many things we love in Andor, The Mandalorian, etc. was set up and prototyped in 1,2 and 3. Without 1,2 and 3 Star Wars wouldn't be as detailed and rich as it is.

Pokes

I'll be honest, after watching this show I no longer have any need for the prequel or sequel trilogies. Andor > Rogue One > Original Trilogy is now my complete Star Wars head canon. And what an amazing saga it is.

Ian Tellam

I think you should watch the sequels at some point down the line. It's worth pointing out that both critics' reviews and user reviews on IMDB, Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes put the first 2 sequel movies above the prequels, and that's probably where they belong (not that it's a high bar). The internet discourse around SW is a bit of a hot mess, so I wouldn't go by that. The first two sequel movies are better than any of the prequels (once people take the nostalgia goggles off) as they manage to be competently directed films at least, but the third is a disaster of a movie imo. They don't gel together well as a trilogy though, and the second movie splits opinion. Personally I didn't like it at all, but I enjoyed TFA when I first watched it - it gets the 'feel' of SW at least, and looks nice, even if the plot is derivative and fanservicey. TLJ at least as some original ideas I suppose, I mainly just found the whole thing a bit tiresomely 'Marvelly' in execution. I think the SW universe is pretty cool, but there are far more bad movies than good overall. In fact there are probably only 3 genuinely good movies out of all them - the first two and this one. With RotJ and TFA being visually nice, but essentially rehashes plotwise.