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Star Trek: TNG 313-314 (Patreon)

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Deja Q, A Matter of Perspective

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Will Sofer

George, both Cinebingers links are to the version where you need your own copy. Just fyi.

Brian Johnson

Hey, it looks like the version where we don’t need our own copy is missing.

PG Modehouse

Deja Q! So many classic memes from this episode. Iconic for Star Trek Shitposting

Mastervodo

Lt. Woof did say "Aye Captain" in the background. Good catch George.

Mastervodo

I also feel "Qudity" did not get a big enough laugh. Cause that was a good one.

Robert Cooper

As a thing: Gates is her middle name. Her real first name is Cheryl, but it was a SAG name conflict thing. Also, how is Data calling an 8.7% margin of error "nominal". I am having a hard time imaging any kind of scenario where that is nominal.

blerbaberpaterb

i agree that his questions requires spoilery answers. im also pretty sure hes aware of it too. but like, hes obviously asking questions because thats whats on his mind, which is the point of reactions. to hear what hes thinking... the responsibility is up to Simone and us to not answer with spoilers, instead of telling him "stop asking questions". like what? hes clearly showing his interest in the show and your solution to not spoil things is to tell him to stop showing his interest? rather than just "sorry cant answer that its a spoiler." not to mention, how would he know what question is or isnt a spoiler? and does anyone here think a reaction is better if a person just holds back and asks nothing? what would be the point then, just a person silently sitting there watching a screen. shit i can do that with a mirror at home.

Patrick

I use the Q line "Eat any good books lately?" at least once a week.

Mike W

For me this is the point that TNG really finds it's itself and becomes more consistently good

Patrick - Excelsior

The Don't need version link is linked to need your own copy version in email.

Andrew Hogan

This probably a me issue, but ever since The Bonding episode, all I have is the title card showing up, there’s no YouTube link on the play screen which is what I usually use on my phone.

John

I'm really excited about this week and the rest of the episodes for season 3.

Cinebinge

hi Andrew, in the description of the post you can see links to our site and where the videos are located. alternatively, you can also go straight to cinebingers.ca, login with this exact same Patreon account and find all our content there.

Andrew Hogan

Understood, the only issue I had with this was that it takes me to a third party agree/disagree information page where it says you would like to access certain info in order to proceed. Since I like to be cautious onwhat I agree to and since the ready to go YouTube option is usually available I just disregarded the first option and went with the less questionable version. However if there is no issue with that quick questionnaire and it’s just a basic agreement I’ll use that, but I’m just trying to confirm directly with you guys that it’s okay to use and agree.

funky weapon

I think my favorite meme-worthy Riker is when Frakes just hams it up as a total lecherous horndog. every time he casts a look at Manure is hysterical.

WastedPo

I think "Deja Q" might be my favorite Q episode. Also, the cold open for "A Matter of Perspective" with Data's passive aggressive roasting of Picard's painting is one of the funniest moments of TNG. But I agree with your assessment in that the rest of the episode had an intriguing premise, but the writers didn't quite nail the execution. [And not to set the bar too high for next week, but yeah, I'm looking forward to both those episodes.]

Data Cable

She uses Gates for acting credits, and Cheryl for choreography work.

BubblyRainbows

Just curious here. Why do you mute the opening song in these episodes? Has there been some kind of copyright issue on the song?

DasBigUn

FINALLY ALso....no we wait for his/the Borgs/Romulans next appearance :)

Northern Loon

Damn, it's not next week yet ! Good episodes this week, but rest of season 3 is pretty amazing (with a few exceptions as always). 😁

Matt O'Keefe

Can't wait until next week. Both episodes.

Matt O'Keefe

They do not play songs for any shows now. They have copyright concerns.

John Rose

one more week 😉

JD Nevesytrof

Well also it was hard to hear them speak over the music due to the sound mixing

Joel

Tio Salamanca appears on screen and you have questions about who did it? Come on now :P

DasBigUn

Gorge and Simon: Q are a species and they are "relatively" "Contained" in our galaxy. They tend not to interfere.....too much. He mentioned that as a Q, whenever he gets to another solar system, he has to apologies for what OUR Q has done there (being a dick). OUR Q is a "Scallywag" and "rebellious" to the whole continuum.

Cinebinge

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Ian Tellam

There is one way that the different witness accounts make sense - Riker was the one lying. Or, at least, is narcissistic enough to believe he did nothing wrong.

Matt O'Keefe

I would say no. G&S have probably already watched them anyway.

DonkyDave

God I can't wait for the end of the season, just incredible episodes

blerbaberpaterb

lmao i think hes saying they likely already have watched and recorded their reaction for the next 2 episodes.

Matt O'Keefe

Yes they record them maybe a week out early I believe or earlier.

Matt O'Keefe

Unkown that is why I was vague in my first comment

Andrew Hogan

Yeah I get that, just seems odd that they wouldn’t already have that, plus the fact that it’s a third party gave me pause.

Andrew Hogan

Okay, appreciate the follow up

Robert Carter

So my thoughts on the wife “completely making things up” is that I wouldn’t have doubts that she could have truly convinced herself that those are the events that happened. She may have found Riker to be flirtatious and alluring and been tempted to act on that attraction. However following the death of her husband and the emotional turmoil that has caused, I can absolutely see her going over things again and again and convincing herself that she couldn’t have been unfaithful to her late husband, that couldn’t have been their last interaction, it MUST have been Riker causing it. The mind is a funny thing and when emotionally unstable (as someone in grief is), saying something to yourself over and over can begin to make it the truth you are convinced of. I wouldn’t say she has been deliberately dishonest if that happened but it merely reinforces the difficulty of determining what happened in I said vs they said scenarios.

David N

Do you have any evidence at all? Well, Your Honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence.

Jomero

You can tell the second telling of events is false because Riker used a single fist to punch someone. In the future, all Starfleet officers punch with the very inefficient and less range "both hands clasped together" style of attack.

JD Nevesytrof

That's in the 23rd century, by the 24th, it's all "drive the heel of your palm into someone's chin"

PIG

Strangely enough, Riker heard “Salamanca money! Salamanca blood!!” cried out before the big explosion.

Guts

Well they already did travel to other galaxies and more in season 1.

Paul T Hewes

I loved the Christian Slater impression Korbin Bernson put on as a member of the Q... -cant wait until next set gets posted. Episode 15 is top 10 of all Trek episodes of any show, IMHO...

NotlobParrot

Next week's Eps are one hell of a Christmas Present! S3 is playing for keeps now!

Eversharpe

I should never be given Qs powers because while I would do so much good for humanity. Having stupid thoughts would give you a lil brain freeze. Politicians knowingly lying would keel over like one of those fainting goats. Bug respect property right and only enter buildings when invited, vampire style. However I would also be the asshole who one bored sunday afternoon would make everyone on earth hear "You believe in the one true faith" just to watch the chaos that follow.s

Guts

They showed them drinking some kind of beverage, possibly alcoholic. Maybe the wife was supposed to be intoxicated and that was why her memories were so different. It's the only thing I can come up with that could explain the massive gap.

Gavin Kinsey

Looked up the episode guide to see what is coming up, and every single one till the end of the season is a banger.

Angzarr

Interesting that one of yesterday's Sopranos episodes had the awful standup doing a bad Rashomon joke, and today we get Rashomon: The Next Generation!

Angzarr

Ding ding ding boom!

BubblyRainbows

Thank you both. I had a feeling it was something like that.

FranciscoGios

I enjoyed the first episode from this upload Star Trek but the second one was a little off for me, I can’t wait until you guys react to The Next Generation movies.

Joel

It's timey wimey :D

The Real Andrew Kim

Regarding the nude model being painted by her boss, One of the appealing things about the Trek future for me was the idea that humanity had evolved past conservative ideas of modesty and inhibition and embraced more liberal ideas of free love and open sexuality. I like that in the future people are much more open and accepting of people's sexuality and are less judgmental about body image. I feel like this idea may have never crossed your guys' minds given your reactions about how some characters pursue love interests/ sexual relations as well as the fashion of TNG. Picard has even mentioned how humanity has evolved past our infancy and let go of puritanical ideas and concepts that have held humanity back and it also explains why everyone is so horny all the time and have no issues dating other species.

John Miller

The reason Picards evidence was accepted was because it wasn't just a theory. The simulation was designed to use the actual radiation effect that they believed happen, and allow it to simulate the results. Basically, they didn't program the simulation to deflect the beam. That was a result of the test itself. If it didn't happen that way, the simulation would have shown that.

Richard Z Herrera

To be fair, they did have the undisputed fact that an energy beam very similar in signature to a phaser had been fired from Riker's exact recorded location of teleport, means and opportunity as they say. The question of motive came down to a "he said, she said" situation. Remember, it wasn't the actual trial yet. It was a hearing of extradition. Was there enough evidence to release Riker to their custody according to Federation laws and regulation? Personally, I'd argue there was probably enough for extradition even after what LeForge presents, but the legal dude made a calculation that the trial would not have been a slam dunk, would have gotten messy, and setup a bad relationship with the Federation going forward.

The Real Andrew Kim

In regards to the drastic differences in the two accounts between Riker and Manua, I kind of have to push back a little because I have been in situations where people misremember things while its still happening, just as an example, you put something down in front of someone, you look away and it disappears, meanwhile the second person is also not really paying attention to the thing you put down when it disappears. First person accuses second person of stealing, second person claims the first person misplaced it, when it actuality the thing fell of the table it was sitting on and rolled underneath into a crack or crevice. Both people completely fill in the gaps of memory with actions from the other person. Now going back to the accounts in the TNG episode, I agree it is a bit too dramatized and exaggerated but I think the premise holds and does highlight how memories can be misinterpreted. A slight touch can be interpreted as a grab. Also given that we live in post #MeToo, i think it should be highlighted how easy it was for George to assume the woman was lying, I am not accusing George of anything, but I do think this episode touches on how much misogynistic bias there was in this era, because that is how woman were thought, they exaggerate and make up things to make things sound worse, but in actual reality they were probably telling the truth but was gaslit or they themselves were accused of gaslighting the men. Lastly, I don't understand the pushback against the final resolution that Geordi explained to exonerate Riker. There was evidence by the fact that they proved it was Krieger waves which was the breakthrough Apgar was suppose to make. They proved the energy source was real and how the energy was being converted into Krieger waves. And then in real time synced the holodeck with the real life power source to demonstrate how it would work. Finally they even explained the .0014 discrepancy due to the reflection of the beam off of Riker and no other situation could have accounted for that, meaning they had hard evidence that supported their hypothesis. The final explosion wasn't just a conjected story like the rest, it was an actual scientific demonstration. I feel like you guys might have missed that detail.

Richard Z Herrera

We also have to take into consideration that the show was written for TV broadcast and had to wrap up its single episode stories as neat as possible while also keeping in beat with the expected tempo of shows of the time. If it was written today, there probably would have been a follow up in the the next episode, or a scene that would have essentially achieved the same effect of Riker not getting extradited.

Mitchell Bowker

In "A Matter of Perspective" I don't think it's that much of an error in the writing that the wife's version of events differs to Rikers. The simulations were based on testimony not actual memories. And if the wife truly believed Riker did kill her husband, she's going to make up some facts to further incriminate him.

Robert Mendoza

To me in terms of writing the wife's story was the best part of the episode even though it isn't fun to watch. I think after her husband died she wanted to believe their marriage was perfect and she must have felt intensely guilty for hitting on Riker right before her husband's death. Basically her subconscious rewrite the story to make her feel better. It's pretty terrible but I totally believe a person could react that way and basically lie to themselves. Deja Q is my favorite Q episode cause it's good to see him humbled and there were some great comedic bits. Data's laugh at the end is delightful and it's one of my favorite moments in Star Trek.

James W.

Ep313, is a solid episode and first time for me that Q was more than a monster of the week. Ep 314, I agree with George that it is flawed execution of the Rashomon concept. The part where it falls super flat to me is the zero consequences. The truth of what happened is sort of implied to be somewhere in the middle, and it leaves everyone involved in a pretty bad light. - Manua is delusional enough to make up a story that would convince an empath that Riker might be a rapist, and she gets no repercussions. I find it hilarious that Deanna just looks uncomfortable, which sort of implies that she knows how Riker can be. - Riker is too much of a flirt/intergalactic poon-hound that a sexual assault charge can't be immediately discounted. He needs to tone it down, he's no James T. Kirk. The T is for Tiberius but should be Teflon because there is no shot that dude wasn't being chased across the cosmos for child support or worse. - The assistant was so infatuated with the doctor that she made up a story where Tio Salamanca comes on top of a fight with Jonathan fucking Frakes, and again, no repercussions. It is just a really weird episode. I firmly stick this in the filler category.

Simon Pegged Me

Except Counselor Troi said the wife actually believed she was telling the truth. Had she been making up some facts to incriminate Riker, Troi would have sensed that she was being deceitful about those elements of her testimony.

Simon Pegged Me

I think you've misconstrued the argument. George wasn't clutching his pearls over the nudity of the model. The nudity wasn't the issue. The issue was the "boss" part of the conundrum and the possible abuse of power that exists between a superior officer and a member of their crew when personal consent is required to obey a command or accept a job assignment. Whether or not consent is fully operative in an unequal power relationship is a question most human resources reps would counsel execs and starship captain to avoid. Asking a junior officer to pose nude for your art class is a sketchy move—that one's for you, George—at best. Simone resolved the issue when she pointed out the model could have been a civilian, which is why I don't think the nudity, itself, was at the heart of George's objection.

Simon Pegged Me

The part that bothers me is the phaser. The inspector's case depends on Riker firing a phaser at the doctor. The Enterprise crew would have been able to say whether or not Riker was issued a phaser for the mission, and if he were, Chief O'Brien would have been able to say whether or not the phaser was fired or firing during teleportation. If the phaser evidence doesn't exist, the murder charge doesn't exist. Or do you think the rest of the case is strong enough without the smoking gun?

TomGas2025

Hold on to your socks everybody...the show is going to take so off you are going to lose them...I promise you that.

The Real Andrew Kim

Yes I totally agree it would be sketchy in that specific situation and I do think it is more likely it was a civilian, and my comment was a more general statement of the Trek universe rather than that case specifically and I apologize that I didn't word that better. By no means am I advocating that such a power dynamic is appropriate. But in general I wanted the two of them to make the connection that TOS began during the 60s free love era that started to break down a lot of societal norms about sexuality and that TNG continues that tradition from a specific POV and that George and Simone should keep that in mind when those situations arise. This is not to say the writing of these scenarios is not problematic but I think it was an imperfect attempt at presenting a future society where such liberal openness is possible. Whether it was successful at that is debatable. I mean the episode itself is a commentary about abuses of power and power dynamics, and I apologize I did not frame my comment better.

The Real Andrew Kim

As a viewer I thought the same thing, but obviously it was a story telling decision to create drama. But I think this episode highlights why it is important that we treat suspects in our judicial system as innocent until proven guilty vs guilty until proven innocent which is probably well studied in law schools (I am not a lawyer though I remember studying this in my social studies classes in middle school). In this alien judicial system it seems witness testimony of the accuser is given more weight than the defendant so it is more believable from the evidence that he did have phaser vs believing evidence presented from the enterprise in which the accuser could argue they are protecting him by manipulating, hiding or obfuscating data to protect their colleague. Probably a weak argument overall but Im just presenting a possible perspective. This episode highlights why our judicial system has such protections against things like hearsay and Miranda rights (at least in the US judicial system, or at least how its suppose to work....it is 2025 Trump land rn) and how easily without such things the power of the system can be abused against the innocent.

PIG

lol That's a nice catch actually.

PIG

Can't wait!

PIG

I like it! That paired with the grief of losing her husband.

PIG

I would AltZ a lot if I was Q. A lot. It would be stressful.

ImpishMisconception

I watch Deja Q whenever I am stressed, upset, depressed, or sick. Just helps cheer me up a bit.

Ray Ward

One week closer to “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. 😁

Alex Macdougall

"oh very good Worf. Eat any good books lately?" My favourite back and forth in the whole show.

Jasbro

Next week is going to be an absolute banger, Yesterdays Enterprise and The Offspring!!

Kyle Baker

Well the assistant was just asked to tell them what Krieger told her, so she didn't do anything wrong.

hackbyte

One of the things about Q is ........ (no spoilers ;)) If you just look for John de Lancie as an actor and where you can find him all over several movies and tv series .... You will finally see ... that Q is virtually everywhere! ;) Heck, he is even dancing in the miniseries North and South.. Stuff i had to endure in the german translation (Fackeln im Sturm) a few times around this time of year with some relatives... Seeing Q made it at least survivable. ;)

Logan Kerlee

Star Trek takes place outside of the Milky Way George.. :/ I mean - come on! Hell, even TOS takes place outside of the Milky Way. :/ I'd really like to hear where you got that info from.

Andrew

I am a lawyer. Innocent before proven guilty isn't really "well studied" in law school. It's also not really true. That's why they can hold someone in detention for a year until trial or take away rights before trial. Rather, the state has the burden of proving every element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Andrew

I don't agree about 314. The point is that they are two different cultures and species, and they perceived their interaction differently. Riker is 100% a poonhound and a flirt so he came off as very forceful and forward to her. Riker thought she was coming onto him. The doctor thought both made moves toward the other (which is probably the most accurate). Deanna knows he's like that so could see why a woman from another culture could find him like that. And honestly, a lot of people who watch the show think he's a creep. The assistant did NOTHING wrong and there's no evidence she was infatuated with him. She's just relaying his own story. Your mistake is that you assume they're all humans with human standards. And just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's filler. It's based on a Kurosawa film called Rashomon. They're all unreliability. The truth is probably that Riker thought her hospitality was more than what it is because he's a horndog. He came off very forward to her and her mind convinced her to take the extra step.

James W.

Filler isn't an indictment of quality, at least not for me. It just means, to me, that it wasn't particularly meaningful in the overall narrative arc of the show or in the development of our cast of characters. There are lots of episodes which I enjoy a great deal but they are still "filler", We can love these things still be critical about their strengths an weaknesses. I like the episode fine, I just don't think it adds anything of consequence, hence filler. In 20+ episode season, the is always some filler. I still think the assistant was full of shit but you are correct, she did nothing but present Apgar's lie about the events that transpired and in their court system that is allowed. It's still horse shit to me; a grown adult of any culture presenting that as fact is hard for me not to see as a choice but I 100% concede this is my cynicism. When Star Trek is doing a morality play on how different cultures see the world through a different lens they make a very marked effort to do so. The doctor and his wife present as fairly base level humanoids. The only "cultural" difference is that their legal system infers guilt and allows hearsay on a massive scale by letting peoples feelings, bias and second hand accounts, stand as hard evidence, There was no reference to them having particularly different stances on romance or intimacy or anything. Maybe your mistake is reading more into their culture more than is presented in the episode, in the same way I read a possible romantic interest onto the assistant. Difference being that I didn't pull my assumption from thin air, it is based on the performance of the actor, who at minimum has hero worship but could be read as romantic because the wistful line delivery and that she seems to never question his account of what happened. From people who are engineers and scientists that is hard to swallow. I said the truth of it lies somewhere in the middle but it was still a bad execution of that Rashamon story structure in my first two sentences. Your last paragraph reads like you are relaying information I wasn't already aware of so I don't understand your intent. Riker needs to keep it in his pants and be more professional but the doctor literally tried to kill someone because his project was going to be suspended. Manua doesn't allude to Riker being forward, she makes a short film of him SAing her. I can't write off fabricating that type of thing to "cultural differences" or an unreliable narratorm. Unless we are assuming Manua is deranged, I think she was trying to cover her own part after her husband died and she felt guilty.

Downside dn

congrats George, both the idealist idea of Betazoids should be judges because they can tell when youre lying straight to the reality of Lie detection being subjective personal truth. Believing in your own lie makes it true. theres a great movie that deals with Betazoid esque powers called "Dakota Sky" where she has lie detection and she meets a guy she cant read: assuming he always tells the truth up until her "bf" tells her about a moment they shared and her "bf" lies and says one thing while the guy says another. Believing the guy is a liar like everyone else she distances herself only for the concept of subjective truth comes up. its the idea of a guy meets a girl and they go into a room together. your friend assumes you are hooking up with her and will say that to his friends that you two slept together. the reality is you just talked. but to your friend the "truth" to them is you slept together. this also leads to word lies: "slept" could be both intimate and non-intimate.

Paul

Every human relationship has a power dynamic delta, to some extent. It's a pointless metric. The only thing that matters is if that power is abused through implied or explicit threat if one's request is refused.

Angela D. Mitchell

I am an unapologetic Q fan. Loved him from the first moment. Loved him in his last moment. (IYKYK). Always will.